Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-23 Thread Piers Cawley
Chris Heathcote [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: on 22/1/01 6:34 pm, Piers Cawley wrote: One of the things that I love about the iterative approach of XP is that during the process the client begins to learn exactly what she wants, and is taught to express that by the team. The idea is to

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-23 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, you wrote: Heh. But if we're good at our job we can pull them through that. uhh .. I have on occasion worked with clients that I reckon are the exception to that rule ... some of them find lightswitches a technically challenging problem. I reckon the XP thing will work

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-23 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 12:33:44PM +, Robin Szemeti typed: there is a whole class of clients so clueless (' I just want one of those dot-com things') that you probably need another level of handholding ... they discuss the artistic and 'feelgood' bits of the project in as precise

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-23 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Robin Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 12:49:45PM +, Roger Burton West wrote: http://www.webreview.com/pub/2000/04/07/broken/index.html Eh? I get a four-oh-four. Did you mean http://www.webreview.com/archives/broken/2000/04_07_00.shtml I like this one:

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-23 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 01:09:40PM +, Robin Houston typed: Did you mean http://www.webreview.com/archives/broken/2000/04_07_00.shtml ? Yes. Been a while since I looked at that one. R

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-23 Thread Piers Cawley
Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, you wrote: Heh. But if we're good at our job we can pull them through that. uhh .. I have on occasion worked with clients that I reckon are the exception to that rule ... some of them find lightswitches a technically

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-23 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Tue, 23 Jan 2001, you wrote: I would say that part of the sales process should include weeding out those kinds of clients. If it turns out that there aren't any we can find with a clue, then the fun begins, but I'd like to think that the market is large. ;))) Dear Sirs, Thank you for

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 11:08:29PM +, Piers Cawley typed: And if the Big Cheese does hand down decisions that override the Minion then the contract between developer and client should stipulate that the client pays for the wasted time. Contracts _should_ say that the client pays

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread Mark Fowler
Roger claimed that: This XP approach seems to require a lot more firmness in customer relations than I've ever seen - and if that firmness were present, we wouldn't need XP anyway... One of the main problems with full disclosure with the client is that it can only ever work when you've only

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread James O'Sullivan
On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Michael Stevens wrote: On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 08:47:35AM +, Roger Burton West wrote: Contracts _should_ say that the client pays for changes to what he originally said he wanted. Sometimes they do. It's quite rare, in my experience, for this payment actually to be

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread Mark Fowler
On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Leon Brocard wrote: Dave Mee sent the following bits through the ether: One of the best solutions I've come accross to this problem is to take an iterative approach to development. Inded. Look at XP. The whole idea is that at the end of every day / week you have

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread Dave Cross
At Mon, 22 Jan 2001 10:42:46 +, Leon Brocard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Mee sent the following bits through the ether: One of the best solutions I've come accross to this problem is to take an iterative approach to development. Inded. Look at XP. The whole idea is that at the

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread Simon Wistow
Andy Wardley wrote: Having said that, I do very little "real" work at work, instead spending my time reading/writing email, chatting to people, playing table tennis, having meetings, and doing other brain dead tasks. I sometimes feel guilty because 90% of my work gets done in 10% of my time.

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread Michael Stevens
On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 10:26:18AM +, James O'Sullivan wrote: On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Michael Stevens wrote: On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 08:47:35AM +, Roger Burton West wrote: Contracts _should_ say that the client pays for changes to what he originally said he wanted. Sometimes they

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread Leon Brocard
Mark Fowler sent the following bits through the ether: Two points: Picky, picky. Fine. I'd say that of the bits I've tested, I've found that continuous testing is a very important part. Writing the tests before the code is cool too. But you know this already ;-) Leon -- Leon

Re: Consultancy company- Where do you want to go?

2001-01-22 Thread Robert Shiels
So who's bankrolling the van and who wants to be BA? Neil. (whose tounge is ever so slightly on his cheek!) -- Sorry, but I can't resist pointing out that this amusing misspelling. I guess I'd pronounce this a bit like lounge. Tongue is a pretty stupid way to spell it anyway, tung would be

Re: Consultancy company- Where do you want to go?

2001-01-22 Thread Greg Cope
Neil Ford wrote: The "A-Team" - scenario is one in which a team goes in to rescue a failing project, or go in and retune/redesign an existing project that works but has become a victim of its own success. Think of this work as bespoke enhancements. That just has me conjering up images

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread Steve Mynott
Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, you wrote: Inded. Look at XP. The whole idea is that at the end of every day / week you have changed something and can show it to the client again. This way the client really understands what he really wants. wow ... "a

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread Steve Mynott
Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I sometimes feel guilty because 90% of my work gets done in 10% of my time. There is in fact Pareto's Law which says that 80% of results come from 20% of work (or 10-90 or whatever the numbers don't really matter). No need to feel guilty since this is

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2. I first heard about building at the end of the day in Brooke's Mythical Man Month. Continuous integration and smoke testing. Oh yes. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The overiding thing should be 'make this the very best company to work for AND the very best company to have work done by' A1 bleeding edge code written by the planets happiest programmers ... sounds like a good recipe to me. Not sure about the

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: and this template toolit thing rocks dunnit .. (now I have the hang of it .. sorta) It is the rockingest thing I've rocked to since the last one. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway

Re: Consultancy company- Where do you want to go?

2001-01-22 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Greg Cope [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Men in black theme - we must all have black suits - dark glasses avliable from Macy D's soon, and we can get a clapped out van from BT for next to nothing Don't forget the welding gear. Actually, I'm more for the Ghostbusters theme: boiler suits,

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread Robert Shiels
Simon Wistow [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I sometimes feel guilty because 90% of my work gets done in 10% of my time. There is in fact Pareto's Law which says that 80% of results come from 20% of work (or 10-90 or whatever the numbers don't really matter). Often, when I do something

RE: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread Jonathan Peterson
There is in fact Pareto's Law which says that 80% of results come from 20% of work (or 10-90 or whatever the numbers don't really matter). Often, when I do something that I consider really easy and spend little effort on it, I get lots of really good feedback. Glad I'm not the only

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread Piers Cawley
"James O'Sullivan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Michael Stevens wrote: On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 08:47:35AM +, Roger Burton West wrote: Contracts _should_ say that the client pays for changes to what he originally said he wanted. Sometimes they do. It's quite rare,

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread Piers Cawley
Michael Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 10:26:18AM +, James O'Sullivan wrote: On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, Michael Stevens wrote: On Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 08:47:35AM +, Roger Burton West wrote: Contracts _should_ say that the client pays for changes to what he

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread Piers Cawley
Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Mon, 22 Jan 2001, you wrote: Inded. Look at XP. The whole idea is that at the end of every day / week you have changed something and can show it to the client again. This way the client really understands what he really wants. wow ... "a

Re: Consultancy company- Where do you want to go?

2001-01-21 Thread Mark Townsend
What sort of work do you want to do? What sort of business do you seek? Body shop, A-Team or bespoke software house? This message generated a few threads: Working from home v office; pair programming vs traditional project "individual portions"; and handling client contact or involvement.

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-21 Thread Piers Cawley
Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, you wrote: I don't see why you can't have a mix - it would be good to have a core group of people who always (nearl) work in the office so that if you usually work from home but need some face 2 face there will be people

Re: Extreme Programming (was: Re: Consultancy company)

2001-01-21 Thread Piers Cawley
David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 12:24:24AM +, Piers Cawley wrote: Now, I freely admit that I have partaken of the Extreme Programming Kool-Aid, and dammit I want to do it. I want to try it too. I'm not convinced by all of it - pair programming for

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-21 Thread Piers Cawley
Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, you wrote: One customer. On site. Full time. Absolute honesty. Get them on your side. The are the people who are *paying* for this, they deserve nothing but your honesty. Tell 'em about any problems and tell 'em early. Tell

Re: Extreme Programming (was: Re: Consultancy company)

2001-01-21 Thread Piers Cawley
"Dean S Wilson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Original Message- From: Aaron Trevena [EMAIL PROTECTED] I did a little pair programming at emap - I probably wasn't doing it right tho'. even so we did get thru the hard bits quicker and could split up to do the easy stuff. I think it

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-21 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, you wrote: I rush to point out that those stereotypes were *not* what I was on about in my "I'm really unsure about telecommuting" thing. I'm one of the gregarious types. acknowledged ... those 'stereotypes' where pretty extreme and I am sure there are other issues on

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-21 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Sun, 21 Jan 2001, you wrote: The client doesn;t send Big Chief to sit with the designers, instead 'designers' is kind of the wrong term with XP. agreed they send Useless Minion. UM is positive and helpful and gives quick decisions ona whole variety of topics. And a week later

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-20 Thread Rob Partington
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip] And table football's no fun if you're playing with yourself. Maybe if you kept your hands on the table football...? gdr -- rob partington % [EMAIL PROTECTED] % http://lynx.browser.org/

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-20 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Roger Burton West [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 12:24:24AM +, Piers Cawley wrote: The vision I have is of a team (or teams) working in *our* premises, with customers working with us. (side-rant) The customers _must_ be kept isolated from the developers. This is

Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-20 Thread Redvers Davies
IIRC, Sim City is one of Ken Livingstone's favorites. There can't be the option to revoke all bird feed sellers permits.

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-20 Thread Roger Burton West
On Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 10:28:13AM +, Piers Cawley wrote: One customer. On site. Full time. Absolute honesty. Nice idea if you have customers who can take the truth, and who know when to shut up and let people get on with things. I'd like to see it working, but I haven't yet. R

Extreme Programming (was: Re: Consultancy company)

2001-01-20 Thread David Cantrell
On Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 12:24:24AM +, Piers Cawley wrote: Now, I freely admit that I have partaken of the Extreme Programming Kool-Aid, and dammit I want to do it. I want to try it too. I'm not convinced by all of it - pair programming for example - but so much of the other stuff seems

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-20 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Sat, 20 Jan 2001, you wrote: I don't see why you can't have a mix - it would be good to have a core group of people who always (nearl) work in the office so that if you usually work from home but need some face 2 face there will be people there (or in a pub nearby). things like IRC and

Re: Extreme Programming (was: Re: Consultancy company)

2001-01-20 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message- From: Aaron Trevena [EMAIL PROTECTED] I did a little pair programming at emap - I probably wasn't doing it right tho'. even so we did get thru the hard bits quicker and could split up to do the easy stuff. I think it made a difference but then I was mostly being a

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-20 Thread Greg Cope
Piers Cawley wrote: Greg Cope [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Cantrell wrote: That should read there's too many distractions at home for me (or you as the case may be). I am about 150% more productive at home - 25 % because I save the journey, and the other 25% due to

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-20 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Client has no concept about what software development is like and within a week or two cancels the entire thing 'some of those guys spent a whole week working and half the time couldnt even get it to run, by the end of the week all they'd done was

Re: Extreme Programming (was: Re: Consultancy company)

2001-01-20 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
"Dean S Wilson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Original Message- From: Aaron Trevena [EMAIL PROTECTED] I did a little pair programming at emap - I probably wasn't doing it right tho'. even so we did get thru the hard bits quicker and could split up to do the easy stuff. I think it

Re: Extreme Programming (was: Re: Consultancy company)

2001-01-20 Thread Leon Brocard
Dave Hodgkinson sent the following bits through the ether: Leon, are you acting as scribe? Yes. Don't expect a masterpiece though. Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... All new improved

Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-19 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Greg Cope ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Thats were a few people have gone wrong lately then ;-) yup -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net

Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-19 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Greg Cope [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dave Hodgkinson wrote: "Paul Makepeace" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The US has much more to worry about than the UK, like high water tables, vicious weather and earthquakes. The smart money goes on hosting in Texas (San Antonio) not California

Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-19 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And the UK doesn't have high water tables (in some places and not in others, just like anywhere else) or vicious weather (again, in some places not in others, just like anywhere else). But it strikes me as being absurd that I hear EVERY YEAR of the

Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-19 Thread Greg Cope
Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Greg Cope [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dave Hodgkinson wrote: "Paul Makepeace" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The US has much more to worry about than the UK, like high water tables, vicious weather and earthquakes. The smart money goes on hosting in Texas

Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-19 Thread Michael Stevens
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 09:42:11AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: yes and no. If you need to do an allnighter and its unavoidable (due to a client suddenly changing ther mind) then theres no problem doing it .. just charge em bigtime! nope this is where your pimp/MD should of tied up the

Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-19 Thread Piers Cawley
David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 04:42:55PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Leo Lapworth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: People (no particular order): = Pimp = = Accountant = = BOFH = = Security Guru =

Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-19 Thread Piers Cawley
David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 04:51:18PM +, Greg Cope wrote: What about a bed / kip room and of course a play room - and I do not mean some 70's swingers thing - a P2, etc ... Having something to crash on when pulling an all-nighter is, IMO, a

Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-19 Thread Piers Cawley
Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Greg Cope [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IMHO developers should be given the environment that is what makes them confotable, an IBM research center was on the telly the other day that had a big open plan style area, as well as individaul offices, as

Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-19 Thread Michael Stevens
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 10:32:16AM +, Michael Stevens wrote: On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 09:42:11AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: yes and no. If you need to do an allnighter and its unavoidable (due to a client suddenly changing ther mind) then theres no problem doing it .. just charge

Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat wormdiscovered

2001-01-19 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On 19 Jan 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And the UK doesn't have high water tables (in some places and not in others, just like anywhere else) or vicious weather (again, in some places not in others, just like anywhere else). But it strikes me as

Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-19 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Michael Stevens ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 10:32:16AM +, Michael Stevens wrote: On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 09:42:11AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: yes and no. If you need to do an allnighter and its unavoidable (due to a client suddenly changing ther mind)

RE: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-19 Thread Andrew Bowman
From: Greg McCarroll [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] write a suggestions document of where the project management and management functions are going wrong if they ignore it leave Do you know anywhere this has happened Greg? ;-)

Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hatworm discovered

2001-01-19 Thread Neil Ford
Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Big monitors on workstations are *not* rewards. They are essential tools for the job. Anything smaller than 19" is rapidly approaching too cramped for serious work. TFT monitors on workstations are

Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-19 Thread Leon Brocard
Dave Hodgkinson sent the following bits through the ether: Sounds like a table at the New World one lunchtime... OK. We might as well do this quickly, how about Monday 12.30 at the New World restaurant in Chinatown. Everyone who is vaguely interested in a Perl Consultancy of some sort is

Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-19 Thread Leon Brocard
Dave Cross sent the following bits through the ether: I'd love to come along, but probably wouldn't have time to get there and back during lunch. Can we do it one evening? OK, Penderel's Oak 6.30pm for those who can't make it to lunch. I'll go to both and take notes. Leon -- Leon

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-19 Thread Greg Cope
Andy Wardley wrote: On Jan 18, 4:28pm, Leo Lapworth wrote: Ok, it's all a pipedream.. but what a nice one. It sounds like an excellent idea. In fact, I've even got as far as writing a (fledgling) business plan for such a venture based around Template Toolkit-ish web development,

Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-19 Thread Natalie Ford
At 14:55 19/01/01, Neil Ford wrote: Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mmmm... so, when are we going to have a meeting about all this? Well seeing as I will be amongst the great unwashed from next week, anytime soon would be good. AOLMe too!/AOL

Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-19 Thread Natalie Ford
At 15:49 19/01/01, Dave Cross wrote: I'd love to come along, but probably wouldn't have time to get there and back during lunch. Can we do it one evening? An evening would be better for me, too... Natalie

Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-19 Thread Piers Cawley
Leon Brocard [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dave Hodgkinson sent the following bits through the ether: Sounds like a table at the New World one lunchtime... OK. We might as well do this quickly, how about Monday 12.30 at the New World restaurant in Chinatown. Everyone who is vaguely

Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat wormdiscovered

2001-01-19 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On 19 Jan 2001, Piers Cawley wrote: Put me down for that. Might bring Gill as well. It seems like every tom dick and harry's other half is called Gill around here :) /J\ -- Jonathan Stowe | http://www.gellyfish.com | I'm with Grep on this one

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-19 Thread Greg Cope
Piers Cawley wrote: Greg Cope [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Andy Wardley wrote: On Jan 18, 4:28pm, Leo Lapworth wrote: Ok, it's all a pipedream.. but what a nice one. It sounds like an excellent idea. In fact, I've even got as far as writing a (fledgling) business plan for

Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-19 Thread Alex Page
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 09:27:18AM +, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: It should be mandatory for all public servants to be adept at Sim City. IIRC, Sim City is one of Ken Livingstone's favorites. Alex

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-19 Thread Natalie Ford
At 17:42 19/01/01, you wrote: Piers Cawley wrote: Greg Cope [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Agreed - why work in London - what about telecommuters ? i.e I want to stay communtin to my desk - all 3 meters of it (the commute - I live in a small flat) I'm *really* unsure about

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-19 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, you wrote: But is treking into insert that good to working from home ? ADSL is cheap and working from home can be supprisingly productive. Where it's available. That would be 'not from my exchange in the forseeable future...' ISDN is cool .. and from this quarters

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-19 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, you wrote: I can do 200% as much work at home because I can work when and as I feel able to and so work when I am my most productive. well having spent the last year telecommuting I can affirm that it does let you sometimes work at phenomeonal rates But I also can see

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-19 Thread David Cantrell
On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 05:04:54PM +, Piers Cawley wrote: I'm *really* unsure about telecommuting. Seems to me that the way to really build a team (especially when doing serious development) is to have people in the same room; Plus there's too many distractions at home. Even if you live

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-19 Thread Greg Cope
Piers Cawley wrote: Greg Cope [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Piers Cawley wrote: Greg Cope [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Andy Wardley wrote: On Jan 18, 4:28pm, Leo Lapworth wrote: Ok, it's all a pipedream.. but what a nice one. It sounds like an excellent

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-19 Thread Greg Cope
David Cantrell wrote: On Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 05:04:54PM +, Piers Cawley wrote: I'm *really* unsure about telecommuting. Seems to me that the way to really build a team (especially when doing serious development) is to have people in the same room; Plus there's too many

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-19 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Fri, 19 Jan 2001, you wrote: That should read there's too many distractions at home for me (or you as the case may be). im with greg on this one :) although I can see that some project would need 5 day a week attendance at some stages I am not convinced that that is the only way to

Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-18 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Leo Lapworth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: People (no particular order): == = Pimp = = Accountant = == == = = BOFH =

Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-18 Thread Tony Bowden
On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 04:42:55PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: have to pay them back with interest and stuff. equity surely? ;-) Yes. But if you're successful the "interest" rate is huge ;) But if you're not, well, they lose the money and not you. FWIW It's much easier to negotiate with

Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-18 Thread Greg Cope
Leo Lapworth wrote: Location A big pub in central London. Top floors: development Ground floor Pub: with comedy stand and terminal points for laptops Basement: disco / conference room, big flat screens etc.. What about a bed / kip room and of course a

Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-18 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Tony Bowden ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 04:42:55PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: have to pay them back with interest and stuff. equity surely? ;-) Yes. But if you're successful the "interest" rate is huge ;) But if you're not, well, they lose the money and not

RE: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-18 Thread James Royan
Neil So who's any good at business plans... (I have a book but) I know a few things about setting up and running SMEs. Happy to sit down for an hour or so one evening with someone if it would be of assistance. Unfortunately, I'm far too tied up with current venture to get much more

Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-18 Thread Greg Cope
Greg McCarroll wrote: * Greg Cope ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Leo Lapworth wrote: Location A big pub in central London. Top floors: development Ground floor Pub: with comedy stand and terminal points for laptops Basement: disco / conference

Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-18 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 04:51:18PM +, Greg Cope wrote: What about a bed / kip room and of course a play room - and I do not mean some 70's swingers thing - a P2, etc ... Having something to crash on when pulling an all-nighter is, IMO, a bad idea as it encourages pulling all-nighters.

Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-18 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
"Paul Makepeace" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The US has much more to worry about than the UK, like high water tables, vicious weather and earthquakes. The smart money goes on hosting in Texas (San Antonio) not California though -- relatively earthquake/tornado/storm/etc-free! You're talking

Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-18 Thread Greg Cope
David Cantrell wrote: On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 04:51:18PM +, Greg Cope wrote: What about a bed / kip room and of course a play room - and I do not mean some 70's swingers thing - a P2, etc ... Having something to crash on when pulling an all-nighter is, IMO, a bad idea as it

Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-18 Thread Greg Cope
Dave Hodgkinson wrote: "Paul Makepeace" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The US has much more to worry about than the UK, like high water tables, vicious weather and earthquakes. The smart money goes on hosting in Texas (San Antonio) not California though -- relatively

Re: Consultancy company was [Job] BOFH wanted was: Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-18 Thread Greg Cope
Robin Szemeti wrote: On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, you wrote: Having something to crash on when pulling an all-nighter is, IMO, a bad idea as it encourages pulling all-nighters. You just don't write good code at 2 in the morning, and end up spending just as much time untangling it as you did