Re: General Election

2001-06-03 Thread Greg McCarroll

* David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Sat, Jun 02, 2001 at 09:25:21AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
  
  Oh I did ... In general I find Billy Braggs ability to produce 'something
  you could mistake for music' roughly equal to Craig Charles' ability to
  tell a joke. .. although he was passibly OK in Red Dwarf.
 
 Billy Bragg was in Red Dwarf?  I never noticed...
 

yeah, remember he was the one that sucked emotions out of everyone
he encountered ;-) 

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Re: General Election

2001-06-03 Thread Piers Cawley

Barbie [easynet] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 From: Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  I understand folk singers sometime place a finger over their ear
  whilst singing. Perhaps Mr Bragg should try that. I doubt it would
  improve his singing, but at least it would stop him twanging that
  guitar ...
 
 I don't think you could call Billy Bragg a folk singer. His more
 aptly titled moniker of Bard of Barking is probably more
 representative of what he does. Tells stories set to music. he might
 not be the best singer in the world, but then it never stop Bob
 Dylan or Jimi Hendrix. each to their own I suppose.

Look, I'm not saying Bragg's voice is pretty. But his pitching is
accurate, his tunes are good, his songwriting is immaculate and you
can tell what he's singing. Same goes for his Bobness too come to
that.

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Re: General Election

2001-06-03 Thread Barbie [easynet]

From: Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Look, I'm not saying Bragg's voice is pretty. But his pitching is
 accurate, his tunes are good, his songwriting is immaculate and you
 can tell what he's singing. Same goes for his Bobness too come to
 that.

You can tell what Bob is singing! I had to get the Dylan Songbook to
learn the words ;)

Barbie

PS: I have several albums by Billy and Bob, but I still don't class them as
folk singers. The Houghton Weavers, The Spinners, The Knigston Trio, My
missus  now they're folk singers.




Re: General Election

2001-06-03 Thread Piers Cawley

Barbie [easynet] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 From: Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  Look, I'm not saying Bragg's voice is pretty. But his pitching is
  accurate, his tunes are good, his songwriting is immaculate and you
  can tell what he's singing. Same goes for his Bobness too come to
  that.
 
 You can tell what Bob is singing! 

Most of the time, yeah.

 I had to get the Dylan Songbook to learn the words ;)
 
 Barbie
 
 PS: I have several albums by Billy and Bob, but I still don't class
 them as folk singers.

Bob was definitely a folk singer once. The early acoustic stuff is
definitely folk, and it informs the later electric stuff too. Bragg's
usually not a folksinger, but he's a good singer of folk songs on
occasions. 

 The Houghton Weavers, The Spinners, The Knigston Trio, My missus
  now they're folk singers.

Me, on a good night.

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Re: General Election

2001-06-02 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Sat, 02 Jun 2001, Piers Cawley wrote:
 Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  On Fri, 01 Jun 2001, Cross David - dcross wrote:
  
   There's a fine version of it to this tune by Billy Bragg and Dick Gaughn on
   BB's mini-album The Internationale.
  
  undef error - Can't locate auto/Billy/Bragg/tune.al in @INC ...
 
 Then I suggest you try using your ears.
 

Oh I did ... In general I find Billy Braggs ability to produce 'something
you could mistake for music' roughly equal to Craig Charles' ability to
tell a joke. .. although he was passibly OK in Red Dwarf.

I understand folk singers sometime place a finger over their ear whilst
singing. Perhaps Mr Bragg should try that. I doubt it would improve his
singing, but at least it would stop him twanging that guitar ...

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Re: General Election

2001-06-02 Thread Barbie [easynet]

From: Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I understand folk singers sometime place a finger over their ear whilst
 singing. Perhaps Mr Bragg should try that. I doubt it would improve his
 singing, but at least it would stop him twanging that guitar ...

I don't think you could call Billy Bragg a folk singer. His more aptly
titled moniker of Bard of Barking is probably more representative of what
he does. Tells stories set to music. he might not be the best singer in the
world, but then it never stop Bob Dylan or Jimi Hendrix. each to their own I
suppose.

Barbie.




Re: General Election

2001-06-02 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 well  ok ... just so long as he does it quietly ... 
 or on a different planet.

Could be worse...could be Richard Digance...

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Re: General Election

2001-06-02 Thread David H. Adler

On Sat, Jun 02, 2001 at 09:25:21AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
 
 Oh I did ... In general I find Billy Braggs ability to produce 'something
 you could mistake for music' roughly equal to Craig Charles' ability to
 tell a joke. .. although he was passibly OK in Red Dwarf.

Billy Bragg was in Red Dwarf?  I never noticed...

dha :-)

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Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Jonathan Peterson

At 10:32 01/06/01 +0100, you wrote:
  I suggest we leave the pub at about 9:30pm and get the tube
back to mine, stopping at Threshers en route.

Can't we just go to another pub that's got Peter Snow on the telly?

There will, of course, be an entrance test. Anyone who doesn't know the
first verse and chorus of The Red Flag will not be admitted :)

Don't do that Dave. It's bad to drink alone.

Vive la Revolution!

Sounds like the tag line of a shampoo commercial.


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Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Cross David - dcross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 
 You'll have noticed, I hope, that next Thursday is both our June meeting and
 a General Election. I hope you'll all go and vote before the meeting so you
 don't have to dash off before the polling stations close :)
 
 Someone (Paul?) mentioned a couple of weeks ago that it might be nice if we
 could all go somewhere after the pub to watch the results come in and...

Ah, its been ages since I had an ``election night party'', COUNT me in!
(geddit, _count_, as in vote count! *lol*, i kill myself ;-) )


 er... celebrate another victory for the christian democrats. If anyone
 still thinks this is a good idea, then I'm happy to offer my house as a
 venue for this. I suggest we leave the pub at about 9:30pm and get the tube
 back to mine, stopping at Threshers en route.
 

Is that so you can pick up some champagne, for labour's particular
brand of socialism ;-)

Greg

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Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Piers Cawley

Jonathan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 At 10:32 01/06/01 +0100, you wrote:
   I suggest we leave the pub at about 9:30pm and get the tube
 back to mine, stopping at Threshers en route.
 
 Can't we just go to another pub that's got Peter Snow on the telly?
 
 There will, of course, be an entrance test. Anyone who doesn't know the
 first verse and chorus of The Red Flag will not be admitted :)
 
 Don't do that Dave. It's bad to drink alone.

I'm not prepared to bet that he'll be allowing himself in.

Does it count if you know all the verses to Raise Your Banner High
instead? Can I blag a bed again, what with the Iterative meeting the
next day...

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RE: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Cross David - dcross

From: Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 11:04 AM

 Jonathan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  At 10:32 01/06/01 +0100, you wrote:
I suggest we leave the pub at about 9:30pm and get the tube
  back to mine, stopping at Threshers en route.
  
  Can't we just go to another pub that's got Peter Snow on the telly?
  
  There will, of course, be an entrance test. Anyone who doesn't know the
  first verse and chorus of The Red Flag will not be admitted :)
  
  Don't do that Dave. It's bad to drink alone.
 
 I'm not prepared to bet that he'll be allowing himself in.

Oh. I know at least the first verse and chorus. And both tunes :)

 Does it count if you know all the verses to Raise Your Banner High
 instead? Can I blag a bed again, what with the Iterative meeting the
 next day...

No. And yes.

Dave...

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Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

 What! You mean go south of the river after dark. I'm afraid I'm not properly
 insured for that kind of excursion :)

what sort of insurance do you need? insurance against culture? insurance
against clearner air? insurance against nice restaurants and bars? insurance
against safer streets?

bah, south london is where its at ;-)

 Nice offer, though if I took it up my chances of making it home at all would
 be very slim. Does anyone know what time the result is usually announced
 (and 38 days is not an acceptable answer, this isn't Florida!)

its not really announced at a specific time IIRC, it is a final result
when one party has enough people to `form a government', i.e. a majority

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Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread David Cantrell

On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 10:32:55AM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:

 You'll have noticed, I hope, that next Thursday is both our June meeting and
 a General Election. I hope you'll all go and vote before the meeting so you
 don't have to dash off before the polling stations close :)

Vote Early, Vote Often!

 Someone (Paul?) mentioned a couple of weeks ago that it might be nice if we
 could all go somewhere after the pub to watch the results come in and...
 er... celebrate another victory for the christian democrats. If anyone
 still thinks this is a good idea, then I'm happy to offer my house as a
 venue for this. I suggest we leave the pub at about 9:30pm and get the tube
 back to mine, stopping at Threshers en route.

Sounds like a cunning plan.

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RE: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Cross David - dcross

From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 11:10 AM

 i'll be with you standing on his doorstep Jonathan, especially as
 it was written by a member of the irish republic brotherhood ;-),
 and we all know what results are important on thursday night -
 thats right the northern irish ones! [1]

 [1] disclaimer ... in case anyone doesn't know me, statements i
 make about northern irish politics are generally made with tongue
 in cheek

In fact, Greg is _such_ an expert on the Northern Ireland[1] electoral
system that he fails to remember that the votes aren't counted until Friday
morning :)

Dave...

[1] The use of the term Northern Ireland is simply a convenient shorthand
and should in no way be taken as a endorsement of the existance of such a
region.

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Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Lucy McWilliam


On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, Cross David - dcross wrote:

 Someone (Paul?) mentioned a couple of weeks ago that it might be nice if we
 could all go somewhere after the pub to watch the results come in and...

Sounds like an evil flan.  Especially as I'm holding up my end of the
bargain (right, MBM?) and coming to my first ever london-pm meet.  Anyone
offering crash space for a small purple person would be most appreciated.

L.
Zaphod, this is a very large drink.  Hi...




Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Cross David - dcross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 From: Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 11:10 AM
 
  i'll be with you standing on his doorstep Jonathan, especially as
  it was written by a member of the irish republic brotherhood ;-),
  and we all know what results are important on thursday night -
  thats right the northern irish ones! [1]
 
  [1] disclaimer ... in case anyone doesn't know me, statements i
  make about northern irish politics are generally made with tongue
  in cheek
 
 In fact, Greg is _such_ an expert on the Northern Ireland[1] electoral
 system that he fails to remember that the votes aren't counted until Friday
 morning :)

did i specify a time that i'd be leaving your house? ;-)

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Re: General Election - additional idea

2001-06-01 Thread Robert Shiels


 If we are at Dave's we could have a little competition, quite simply,
 write a CGI script that takes 2 or 3 numbers (cons seats, lab seat and
 others) and display some sort of visualisation of the numbers in
 classic Peter Snow style. The winner is the one judged coolest by
 the people at Dave's house. All scripts must be written in Perl
 and URLs should be submitted on the day.

I like this idea - is there anywhere that is providing this data in an
easily slurpable format so that the script can actually work without user
intervention?

/Robert




Re: General Election - additional idea

2001-06-01 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Robert Shiels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 
  If we are at Dave's we could have a little competition, quite simply,
  write a CGI script that takes 2 or 3 numbers (cons seats, lab seat and
  others) and display some sort of visualisation of the numbers in
  classic Peter Snow style. The winner is the one judged coolest by
  the people at Dave's house. All scripts must be written in Perl
  and URLs should be submitted on the day.
 
 I like this idea - is there anywhere that is providing this data in an
 easily slurpable format so that the script can actually work without user
 intervention?
 

we could agree that a particular URL would return the data, stick
a CGI in there, returning dummy information and then on the night
change that CGI, that way none of the visualisation scripts would
require changing

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Re: General Election - additional idea

2001-06-01 Thread Greg McCarroll

* Greg McCarroll ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
  
  I like this idea - is there anywhere that is providing this data in an
  easily slurpable format so that the script can actually work without user
  intervention?
  
 
 we could agree that a particular URL would return the data, stick
 a CGI in there, returning dummy information and then on the night
 change that CGI, that way none of the visualisation scripts would
 require changing
 

i should of said, change that CGI to scrape the information from
somewhere 

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Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Barbie

 There will, of course, be an entrance test. Anyone who doesn't know the
 first verse and chorus of The Red Flag will not be admitted :)

Is this the modern doctored version or the traditional version?

Barbie.





RE: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Cross David - dcross

From: Barbie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 1:46 PM

  There will, of course, be an entrance test. Anyone who doesn't know the
  first verse and chorus of The Red Flag will not be admitted :)
 
 Is this the modern doctored version or the traditional version?

The New Labour version starts like this:

The people's flag is lightest pink,
It's not as red as you might think.

I prefer it sung to the original tune (The White Cockade) as opposed to
the christmas carol dirge that is most used these days.

Dave...

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Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Robin Houston

On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 01:55:20PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
 The New Labour version starts like this:
 
 The people's flag is lightest pink,
 It's not as red as you might think.

How things have changed.

'Mr Heseltine, whose mane of golden hair has given him the nickname
 of Tarzan, apologised for waving the ceremonial mace around his head
 like a mediaeval battle axe. I was unwarrantably provoked by the
 singing of the Red Flag, he said.'

http://www.guardiancentury.co.uk/1970-1979/Story/0,6051,106906,00.html


The internationale is a better song though.

 .robin.



Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Piers Cawley

Barbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  There will, of course, be an entrance test. Anyone who doesn't know the
  first verse and chorus of The Red Flag will not be admitted :)
 
 Is this the modern doctored version or the traditional version?

How about:

The working class can kiss my arse
I've got the foreman's job at last.

Or
The people's flag is deepest puce
with fleurs de lys in pale chartreuse

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Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Piers Cawley

Cross David - dcross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 From: Barbie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 1:46 PM
 
   There will, of course, be an entrance test. Anyone who doesn't know the
   first verse and chorus of The Red Flag will not be admitted :)
  
  Is this the modern doctored version or the traditional version?
 
 The New Labour version starts like this:
 
 The people's flag is lightest pink,
 It's not as red as you might think.
 
 I prefer it sung to the original tune (The White Cockade) as opposed to
 the christmas carol dirge that is most used these days.

Hmm... how the hell do you fit it to The White Cockade? No matter how
I try it it still sounds bloody ugly.

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RE: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Cross David - dcross

From: Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 2:27 PM

Cross David - dcross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

[The Red Flag]
 
  I prefer it sung to the original tune (The White Cockade) as opposed
to
  the christmas carol dirge that is most used these days.
 
 Hmm... how the hell do you fit it to The White Cockade? No matter how
 I try it it still sounds bloody ugly.

There's a fine version of it to this tune by Billy Bragg and Dick Gaughn on
BB's mini-album The Internationale.

If you haven't tracked down an mp3 by next week, remind me and I'll play it
to you.

Dave...

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Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Jonathan Peterson

At 14:23 01/06/01 +0100, you wrote:
On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 01:55:20PM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
  The New Labour version starts like this:
 
  The people's flag is lightest pink,
  It's not as red as you might think.

How things have changed.

Yikes!

Changed for the better, apparently. The idea of Prescott getting hold of 
the mace is truly alarming.


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Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread David Cantrell

On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 02:24:57PM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:

 How about:
 
 The working class can kiss my arse
 I've got the foreman's job at last.
 
 Or
 The people's flag is deepest puce
 with fleurs de lys in pale chartreuse

Pah!

Sing to the Motherland, home of the free,
Bulwark of peoples in brotherhood strong.
O Party of Lenin, the strength of the people,
To Communism's triumph lead us on!

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Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Roger Burton West

On or about Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 02:39:03PM +0100, David Cantrell typed:

Pah!

Sing to the Motherland, home of the free,
Bulwark of peoples in brotherhood strong.
O Party of Lenin, the strength of the people,
To Communism's triumph lead us on!

Humbug!

The people's flag is black as night
From top to bottom, left to right.
What better symbol for our cause
Then torn umbrellas, old black drawers,
And Guinness, gowns and pirate flags
Darth Vader's cloak and oily rags:
Oh, wave it proudly o'er your head,
The flag that's better dead than red!



Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Greg McCarroll

* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
 On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 02:24:57PM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
 
  How about:
  
  The working class can kiss my arse
  I've got the foreman's job at last.
  
  Or
  The people's flag is deepest puce
  with fleurs de lys in pale chartreuse
 
 Pah!
 
 Sing to the Motherland, home of the free,
 Bulwark of peoples in brotherhood strong.
 O Party of Lenin, the strength of the people,
 To Communism's triumph lead us on!
 

sing all you want, it will be you lot who have egg on your
faces when a unionist/conservative coalition government is
in power in a few weeks, ohhh yes

;-)

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Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread David Cantrell

On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 02:47:18PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote:

 sing all you want, it will be you lot who have egg on your
 faces when a unionist/conservative coalition government is
 in power in a few weeks, ohhh yes

Hmmmph.  paul daniels if that happens, I'll leave the country /short
annoying baldie

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Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Barbie

From: Cross David - dcross [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 2:30 PM
Subject: RE: General Election


 From: Piers Cawley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 2:27 PM

 Cross David - dcross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 [The Red Flag]

   I prefer it sung to the original tune (The White Cockade) as opposed
 to
   the christmas carol dirge that is most used these days.
 
  Hmm... how the hell do you fit it to The White Cockade? No matter how
  I try it it still sounds bloody ugly.

 There's a fine version of it to this tune by Billy Bragg and Dick Gaughn
on
 BB's mini-album The Internationale.

 If you haven't tracked down an mp3 by next week, remind me and I'll play
it
 to you.

Have it on virgin vinyl with free limited edition 7 thanks :)

Barbie.





RE: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Cross David - dcross

From: Barbie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 3:56 PM

[The Red Flag]

  There's a fine version of it to this tune by Billy Bragg and Dick Gaughn
  on BB's mini-album The Internationale.
 
  If you haven't tracked down an mp3 by next week, remind me and I'll play
  it to you.
 
 Have it on virgin vinyl with free limited edition 7 thanks :)

Ooh. Shiny! What's on the 7?

Dave...

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Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Barbie

From: Cross David - dcross [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  Have it on virgin vinyl with free limited edition 7 thanks :)

 Ooh. Shiny! What's on the 7?

straight from billybragg.co.uk (cause I couldn't remember seeing as I
haven't played it in several years):

QUOTE
Raglan Road (Live)
May 1990, Utility (7), USAMP 2
plus Slap Me Shake Me/Clea  McLeod, Sleep With Me/Caroline Trettine And Amy
Grant/The Young Fresh Fellows
Utility Records sampler given free with vinyl copies of The Internationale
album
/QUOTE

I remember now, it was a 4 track, with the other artists all appearing on
other Cooking Vinyl distributed releases from round about the same time.

And for those want the traditional lyrics :
http://www.billybragg.co.uk/inter6.html

Barbie.





RE: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Fri, 01 Jun 2001, Cross David - dcross wrote:

 There's a fine version of it to this tune by Billy Bragg and Dick Gaughn on
 BB's mini-album The Internationale.

undef error - Can't locate auto/Billy/Bragg/tune.al in @INC ...
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Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Piers Cawley

Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Fri, 01 Jun 2001, Cross David - dcross wrote:
 
  There's a fine version of it to this tune by Billy Bragg and Dick Gaughn on
  BB's mini-album The Internationale.
 
 undef error - Can't locate auto/Billy/Bragg/tune.al in @INC ...

Then I suggest you try using your ears.

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