Re: Government Websites

2001-06-18 Thread David Irvine


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From: will <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 1:45 PM
Subject: Re: Government Websites


> - Original Message -
> From: Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 1:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Government Websites
>
>
> > Roger Burton West wrote:
> > > Users will say: "Ooh! Shiny!".
> >
> > You need to get some better users.
>
> That could be a viable business opportunity. A site where businesses could
> rent quality users for their software/websites etc. :-)

I just need something in the middle, I can find expert users that do what
they are told and dont break the software, and then I can find complete
idiots that can't even work out how to open the software when its the only
icon on the desktop, its on the startbar and the quicklaunch bar, and in the
program launcher thing on the task bar, and they still can't open it.

I need to be able to rent an idiot who can get into the software but can't
quite remember how to do tasks so that they click and select the wrong thing
so they can break it and i can fix it again rather than doing it the way i
do it which works fine.  There just doesnt seem to be a happy medium any
more. Idiots have got worse and the people in the know have got smarter.

D




Re: Government Websites

2001-06-18 Thread Merijn Broeren

Quoting Roger Burton West ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Users will say: "Ooh! Shiny!".
> 
Poing-poing-poing!
-- 
Merijn Broeren | Fact: GPRS does not work if the Mobile Station (your phone,
Software Geek  | that is) moves faster than 500 km/h. Tip: NEVER drive faster
 than 450 km/h if you are wapping while driving! 



Re: Government Websites

2001-06-18 Thread will

- Original Message -
From: Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: Government Websites


> Roger Burton West wrote:
> > Users will say: "Ooh! Shiny!".
>
> You need to get some better users.

That could be a viable business opportunity. A site where businesses could
rent quality users for their software/websites etc. :-)




Re: Government Websites

2001-06-18 Thread Philip Newton

Roger Burton West wrote:
> Users will say: "Ooh! Shiny!".

You need to get some better users.

Cheers,
philip
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Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
All opinions are my own, not my employer's.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.



Re: Government Websites

2001-06-18 Thread Roger Burton West

On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 11:41:57AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote:

>"Users will say: I don't have Flash and don't want to download it.
>Therefore, I should leave out the Flash bits of the site. Users will say: I
>read that JavaScript can expose security holes, so I'll turn it off.
>Therefore, I will make all my navigation work without JavaScript turned on."
>
>Sounds like a good idea to me so far.

Users will say: "Ooh! Shiny!".

R



Re: Government Websites

2001-06-18 Thread Philip Newton

Leo Lapworth wrote:
> 2) Oh, yea, make your designers code and your coders design, 
>that'll make for a good site - honest.

Though if the designers have some idea of what is and what isn't
possible/easy to implement, maybe we wouldn't have so many image roll-overs,
blank one-pixel GIFs, tables within tables withing tables, etc.

> 3) "see the web through users' eyes" - easy, they can't all 
>see it - does that mean you don't have to do anything ?

"Users will say: I don't have Flash and don't want to download it.
Therefore, I should leave out the Flash bits of the site. Users will say: I
read that JavaScript can expose security holes, so I'll turn it off.
Therefore, I will make all my navigation work without JavaScript turned on."

Sounds like a good idea to me so far.

Cheers,
philip
-- 
Philip Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
All opinions are my own, not my employer's.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.



Re: Government Websites

2001-06-18 Thread Leo Lapworth

On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 09:59:52AM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
> 
> Tired of government websites that only cater for browsers with non-standard
> proprietary extensions (cf . Don't jsut sit there
> complaining - do something positive about it!
> 
> 

"An understanding of HTML and applications such as Dreamweaver, Photoshop, 
Fireworks, Flash, Perl, JavaScript, ASP and XML is essential, as is the 
ability to see the web through users' eyes"

How many errors in one paragraph!

1) Interesting, Perl is now an application as are all the others.

2) Oh, yea, make your designers code and your coders design, 
   that'll make for a good site - honest.

3) "see the web through users' eyes" - easy, they can't all 
   see it - does that mean you don't have to do anything ?

:)

Leo