RE: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-26 Thread Mike Davis
Title: RE: Mailing List Archive Why don't we make our own archive and ask mail-archive.com to stop doing their thing? Then we have control of what is published and everyone's happy... -Original Message- From: alex [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, January 26, 2001 3:22 AM

RE: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-26 Thread Dave Cross
At Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:23:17 -, Mike Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why don't we make our own archive and ask mail-archive.com to stop doing their thing? Then we have control of what is published and everyone's happy... I don't think that mail-archive would be amenable to removing the

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-26 Thread Mark Fowler
This is my two pence worth: 1. I stand by everything I've ever said on the the list. If I didn't mean it I wouldn't have said it. 2. However, I can see problems with people taking things I've said out of context. Pah, so be it. This is the problem with the world. 3. If I wanted

RE: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-26 Thread Jonathan Peterson
Best idea that I came up whilst thinking about it last night was to configure majordomo to automatically add an 'X-No-Archive' header to all mails on the list. But even that only avoids archives that play by the rules. Seems like a good idea to me. The fact that mailing lists are ultimately

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-26 Thread jduncan
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 12:07:18AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: * James Powell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: To make it harder for google to find you - change your name Prince style. good idea! - greg of wales This is the best laugh I've had in a little while. Thanks. james. --

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-26 Thread Richard Clamp
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 08:20:28PM +, Dave Cross wrote: It seems that mail-archive.com have been archiving our list for some time and anyone who knows about mail-archive can find anything posted to our list. I've got no real problem with having my contributions publically archived, the

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-26 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Richard Clamp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 08:20:28PM +, Dave Cross wrote: It seems that mail-archive.com have been archiving our list for some time and anyone who knows about mail-archive can find anything posted to our list. I've got no real problem with

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-26 Thread Dave Cross
At Fri, 26 Jan 2001 10:59:34 -, "Robert Shiels" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I never say anything I wouldn't stand by on any list, but as the search engines get better, more people than I'd like will have access to what I say. How many of you who have discussed drug use would like their

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-26 Thread Richard Clamp
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:50:35AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Richard Clamp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: That said I would have liked to have been informed of it when subscribing to the list (or for those of us that have been here for donkeys, when it started getting archived,) just so

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-26 Thread Philip Newton
Dave Cross wrote: If the majority are against it then I'll do what I can to prevent it. The obvious thing would be to arrange for archive@jab.org (or whatever it is) to unsubscribe from the list. I believe they don't delete archived articles, but if they aren't subscribed to the list any more,

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-26 Thread Philip Newton
Dave Cross wrote: At Fri, 26 Jan 2001 09:23:17 -, Mike Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why don't we make our own archive and ask mail-archive.com to stop doing their thing? Then we have control of what is published and everyone's happy... I don't think that mail-archive would

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-26 Thread Robin Houston
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 06:50:59AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: This is all a fine plan, but it doesn't prevent external people from achiving us in the same way that mail-archive do. I really don't think there's a foolproof way to prevent it. I doubt that's a serious problem. I assume that

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-26 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Richard Clamp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 08:20:28PM +, Dave Cross wrote: It seems that mail-archive.com have been archiving our list for some time and anyone who knows about mail-archive can find anything posted

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-26 Thread Philip Newton
I suppose at this point I should point out that it was I that subscribed mail-archive.com's bot to the list. Not sure when, but looking at the archive, it seems to be roughly end of September 2000. (See http://www.mail-archive.com/london-list%40happyfunball.pm.org/mail5.html .) Since I confirmed

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-26 Thread Philip Newton
Robin Houston wrote: I assume that someone deliberately added mail-archive's bot to the list, because mail-archive certainly don't hunt down lists themselves. Yes. See my other post. If we have an explicit "no public archives" policy then presumably people will have the decency to honour

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-26 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Richard Clamp wrote: On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:50:35AM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Richard Clamp ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: That said I would have liked to have been informed of it when subscribing to the list (or for those of us that have been here for donkeys,

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-26 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Robin Houston wrote: On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 06:50:59AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: This is all a fine plan, but it doesn't prevent external people from achiving us in the same way that mail-archive do. I really don't think there's a foolproof way to prevent it. I

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-26 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Jonathan Stowe ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: If no-one objects I will put this in place this weekend. I guess it will result in ~ 10 excess messages a week. with current volumen, this is a drop in the pond -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-26 Thread Philip Newton
Jonathan Stowe wrote: I must admit that I could have spotted this if I had known what I was looking for - I dont tend to pay much attention to the subscribe messages. You did spot it. I remember you mailed me about it saying you weren't too keen on the idea but approved the subscription

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-26 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Philip Newton wrote: I suppose at this point I should point out that it was I that subscribed mail-archive.com's bot to the list. Not sure when, but looking at the archive, it seems to be roughly end of September 2000. (See

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-26 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Philip Newton wrote: Jonathan Stowe wrote: I must admit that I could have spotted this if I had known what I was looking for - I dont tend to pay much attention to the subscribe messages. You did spot it. I remember you mailed me about it saying you weren't too

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-26 Thread David Cantrell
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 12:16:46PM +, Jonathan Stowe wrote: On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: how about if we notified the list everytime someone subscribed or unsubscribed This can be done ver', ver' easily - It would also have the positive benefit of breaking the ice

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-26 Thread Richard Clamp
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 12:27:02PM +, David Cantrell wrote: On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 12:00:24PM +, Richard Clamp wrote: Personally I like to be able to get mbox archives in preference to web archives, but then I like my mail client much more than my web broswer. Same here. I'm

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-26 Thread Dave Cross
At Fri, 26 Jan 2001 12:44:31 +, Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Got a complete archive of this list? I don't but would like. Not complete, but I think I subscribed pretty early. The earliest post I have is: fx sound="rummage"/ From: "Cross, David" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-26 Thread David Cantrell
On Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 03:37:38PM +, Jonathan Stowe wrote: I still have the original mail that Dave sent out somewhere ... Show off! -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/ Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-26 Thread Mark Fowler
Dave Cross wibbled: The other week I dug out the original comp.lang.perl.misc post. I think I have a recording of someone bashing a stick near a big black rectangle somewhere too... Is this a collective attempt to crash mail archiving bots by posting so much that they get overloaded and fall

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-26 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Mark Fowler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Dave Cross wibbled: The other week I dug out the original comp.lang.perl.misc post. I think I have a recording of someone bashing a stick near a big black rectangle somewhere too... Is this a collective attempt to crash mail archiving bots by

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-26 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Mark Fowler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I sez: Is this a collective attempt to crash mail archiving bots by posting so much that they get overloaded and fall over? ;-) Then grep sez: they wouldn't fall over if .. they were written using java on a windows

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-25 Thread Michael Stevens
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 08:20:28PM +, Dave Cross wrote: From the discussion on IRC, it seems that Leon's summary mail has opened a bit of a can of worms. There are a number of people who don't like the idea of a publically advertised archive of this mailing list. For the record, I don't

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-25 Thread Robin Houston
Well, this discussion has been beaten to death on IRC, so I feel like I'm repeating myself here. But for the public record: ;-) - This is a public list. Anyone can subscribe using an advertised address. - We're not plotting to bring down the government. - "Information wants to be free." Old

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-25 Thread Leon Brocard
Robin Houston sent the following bits through the ether: - This is a public list. Anyone can subscribe using an advertised address. This is the key point. It is a public list. If you don't like the idea that your potential employers or employees could read everything you write then: o

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-25 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Robin Houston ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 09:14:08PM +, Leon Brocard wrote: o grow up Hey! No need to get defensive till you lose the vote :-) i vote for no vote, keep things as they are if people object to their views being public, don't post them in what

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-25 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 11:24:44PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: [1] you++ to anyone who gets the joke apart from stevem This is clearly a red ha^Herring. Ignore. Besides, policy type="groucho marx" / Paul

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-25 Thread Kieran Barry
On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Leon Brocard wrote: Robin Houston sent the following bits through the ether: - This is a public list. Anyone can subscribe using an advertised address. This is the key point. It is a public list. If you don't like the idea that your potential employers or

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-25 Thread James Powell
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 11:24:44PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: * Robin Houston ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 09:14:08PM +, Leon Brocard wrote: o grow up Hey! No need to get defensive till you lose the vote :-) i vote for no vote, keep things as they

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-25 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Robin Szemeti ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I must admit I don;t particularly like the idea of someone else holding this info though .. I mean .. its like 'ours' innit .. but i have no i'm sure you could do something in your sig, along the lines of this email is copyright of robin szemeti ,

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-25 Thread Greg McCarroll
* James Powell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: To make it harder for google to find you - change your name Prince style. good idea! - greg of wales -- Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net

Re: Mailing List Archive

2001-01-25 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Fri, 26 Jan 2001, you wrote: * Robin Szemeti ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: I must admit I don;t particularly like the idea of someone else holding this info though .. I mean .. its like 'ours' innit .. but i have no i'm sure you could do something in your sig, along the lines of