Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-22 Thread Piers Cawley
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 23:30 21/05/2001, David H. Adler wrote: On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 08:28:24AM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: Don't think anyone writes technical books for money. If they do, then they're in for a big shock. ...and you can just imagine how much more

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-22 Thread David H. Adler
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 08:43:39AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote: Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 23:30 21/05/2001, David H. Adler wrote: On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 08:28:24AM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: Don't think anyone writes technical books for money. If they do, then

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-22 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Tue, 22 May 2001, David H. Adler wrote: Hey, maybe it's one of those cheapo 'made in China' jobs. Of course, if it paid for a Martin or a Lowden or something else equally lovely, then well done Mr Adler. Ah, I wish... The truth is somewhere in between. I got a Burns Marquee. The

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-21 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 05:05:20PM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: At 13:27 20/05/2001, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: You can't expect to steal music and then bitch about how someone is stealing copies of your book on line. True. But just so as we know where we all stand. I have only ever used

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-21 Thread Redvers Davies
I object to paying 3.99 gbp (for a single), or 12.99gbp (for an album track) to just get one song. However, if I hear another track from those artists, and like it, I will probably get the full album. Then exercise your right not to buy it - then don't steal it. You don't have a divine right

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-21 Thread David H. Adler
On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 08:28:24AM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: Don't think anyone writes technical books for money. If they do, then they're in for a big shock. ...and you can just imagine how much more true that is for editing technical books... :-) dha, used some of his editing money to buy

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-21 Thread Dave Cross
At 23:30 21/05/2001, David H. Adler wrote: On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 08:28:24AM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: Don't think anyone writes technical books for money. If they do, then they're in for a big shock. ...and you can just imagine how much more true that is for editing technical books... :-)

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-20 Thread Dave Cross
At 12:12 19/05/2001, Robin Houston wrote: On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 11:30:28PM +0100, Barry Pretsell wrote: It sounds like a good idea (must be better than having 3 editions of Programming Perl) and I'm tempted to give it a go, so any Safari subscribers out there with an opinion? Don't

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-20 Thread Dave Cross
At 01:46 20/05/2001, Simon Cozens wrote: On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 07:20:31AM -0600, Nathan Torkington wrote: Who here has written a book? Simon and Dave at least. It's not easy, is it? You're asking the wrong guy. I don't write books for money, I write them to contribute information. Don't

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-20 Thread Dave Cross
At 17:28 19/05/2001, Jonathan Stowe wrote: On Sat, 19 May 2001, Nathan Torkington wrote: Robin Houston writes: Don't forget the ever-fabulous http://corvin.spb.ru/ I'd also like to say that I'm pretty disgusted that the Perlmongers, of all people, would advocate pirating the Camel.

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-20 Thread Dave Cross
At 00:18 20/05/2001, Dean S Wilson wrote: I suppose the issue with books as PDF is that it leaves you wide open to rampant copying... A problem we're currently encountering with DMP. Some dickhead in Israel thinks it's clever to distribute the PDF for free from his website. Dave... --

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-20 Thread Barry Pretsell
- From: Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 9:11 AM Subject: Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it? At 00:18 20/05/2001, Dean S Wilson wrote: I suppose the issue with books as PDF is that it leaves you wide open to rampant copying

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-20 Thread Dave Cross
At 10:14 20/05/2001, Barry Pretsell wrote: A problem we're currently encountering with DMP. Some dickhead in Israel thinks it's clever to distribute the PDF for free from his website. Why do Manning sell their books online as pdf files? and do they plan to stop it now that rampant copying

Piracy (was Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?)

2001-05-20 Thread Jonathan Stowe
On Sun, 20 May 2001, Dave Cross wrote: At 17:28 19/05/2001, Jonathan Stowe wrote: On Sat, 19 May 2001, Nathan Torkington wrote: Robin Houston writes: Don't forget the ever-fabulous http://xx.xxx.xx/ I'd also like to say that I'm pretty disgusted that the Perlmongers, of

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-20 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Sun, 20 May 2001, Barry Pretsell wrote: A problem we're currently encountering with DMP. Some dickhead in Israel thinks it's clever to distribute the PDF for free from his website. Why do Manning sell their books online as pdf files? and do they plan to stop it now that rampant

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-20 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Sun, 20 May 2001, Dave Cross wrote: At 00:18 20/05/2001, Dean S Wilson wrote: I suppose the issue with books as PDF is that it leaves you wide open to rampant copying... A problem we're currently encountering with DMP. Some dickhead in Israel thinks it's clever to distribute

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-20 Thread Simon Cozens
On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 09:10:02PM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: I'm curious what the perceived payback is on books: kudos on the one hand, benefit to humankind on the other, and then cash. How does it all stack up? The kudos is fun but unless you write something completely earth-shattering,

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-20 Thread Simon Cozens
On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 11:23:05AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: I have in the past had a pirate copy of O'Reillys Network Bookshelf ... but a) I would not have paid for the CD in the first place and b) Iliked what I saw so much that I went on to buy a whole bookcase full of O'Reilly stuff.

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-20 Thread Simon Cozens
On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 08:49:56AM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: I disagree. IMO, posting a link to site containing pirate copies of books _is_ advocating piracy. YMMV. Here is how to do it. Now *you* have a choice. Have you read A treatise on the construction of locks? -- The C Programming

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-20 Thread Elaine -HFB- Ashton
Dave Cross [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth: * *I disagree. IMO, posting a link to site containing pirate copies of books *_is_ advocating piracy. YMMV. In a world that advocates Napster, this is no different. Someone buys a copy of the book, scans it in and shares it with the world. Outrage by the

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-20 Thread Niklas Nordebo
On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 07:27:39AM -0500, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: You can't expect to steal music and then bitch about how someone is stealing copies of your book on line. Ah, good old piracy is theft analogy - what would we do without you? I think I'll start reloading that russian site

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-20 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 05:15:44PM +0200, Niklas Nordebo wrote: Seriously, I don't advocate copyright violation, but I much prefer it to theft or high sea piracy if people are going to commit crimes. I always found arms trafficking far more fun. Although I supposed nowadays we should be

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-20 Thread Dave Cross
At 13:27 20/05/2001, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: You can't expect to steal music and then bitch about how someone is stealing copies of your book on line. True. But just so as we know where we all stand. I have only ever used Napster to find copies of unavailable music. Dave... --

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-20 Thread Robert Shiels
also use Napster (when I'm working somewhere with a big pipe) to get digital copies of music that I've already paid for analogue copies of. -- Robert - Original Message - From: Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 May 2001 17:05 Subject: Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-19 Thread Robin Houston
On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 11:30:28PM +0100, Barry Pretsell wrote: It sounds like a good idea (must be better than having 3 editions of Programming Perl) and I'm tempted to give it a go, so any Safari subscribers out there with an opinion? Don't forget the ever-fabulous http://corvin.spb.ru/

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-19 Thread Nathan Torkington
Robin Houston writes: On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 11:30:28PM +0100, Barry Pretsell wrote: It sounds like a good idea (must be better than having 3 editions of Programming Perl) and I'm tempted to give it a go, so any Safari subscribers out there with an opinion? Don't forget the

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-19 Thread Rob Partington
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Nathan Torkington [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: When you don't pay money, whether you justify it because you already own the book, or because you're a poor student, you're screwing the authors. But they won't miss my $1. Your dollar is no different from everyone

Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?

2001-05-19 Thread Dean S Wilson
-Original Message-From: Barry Pretsell [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm interested to know if anyone uses Safari to read O'Reilly books online. http://safari1.oreilly.com/tablhom.asp?home It sounds like a good idea (must be better than having 3 editions of