Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-27 Thread Philip Newton
Mark Fowler wrote: b) This is how to get objects from CPAN, these are a few critical classes that you need to know about. E.g. this is Data::Dumper, it's fscking useful. LWP::Simple is your friend. Etc, etc. Something of a quick tour. LWP::Simple is a good example, since if

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-27 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick
On Tue, 27 Mar 2001, Philip Newton wrote: (Don't know whether CPAN.pm knows this for you. It may.) Yes, it does. MBM -- Matthew Byng-Maddick Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44 20 8980 5714 (Home) http://colondot.net/ Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44 7956 613942 (Mobile) Knebel's Law: It is

Re: Debuggers (was Re: Perl Training Courses)

2001-03-26 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:09:19AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: Let me explain the set-up. I have a PC running Win95. OK, so the contract market's gone to the dogs. Paul

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-23 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Fri, 23 Mar 2001, you wrote: On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:37:13PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, but I have to disagree. Firstly, I don't see how a debugger (visual or not) is much use with the 2 cases you cited. For memory leaks there are specialised tools like Purify

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-23 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:37:13PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (BTW does anyone know of any open source memory leak detection tools?) GNU checker is surprisingly good. Unfortunately, I'm in offline mode right now and can't find a URL. It's gccchecker in Debian. -- It's 106 miles from

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-22 Thread Dave Cross
At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 07:18:05 +, celia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David H. Adler wrote: On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 10:22:34PM +, celia wrote: / me delurks - don't worry, you won't see much of me round here :) But... why?? Why I delurked, or why you won't see much of me on this

Re: Debuggers (was Re: Perl Training Courses)

2001-03-22 Thread Dave Cross
At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:37:39 + (GMT), Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2001, Mar, 21, Cross, Dave wrote: And how about: a decent Perl debugger (that also happens to be free). You have a decent Perl debugger. It's called perl -d. Eugh. perl -d:ptkdb please. Yeah.

Re: Debuggers (was Re: Perl Training Courses)

2001-03-22 Thread Mark Fowler
On 2001, Mar, 22, Thu, Cross, Dave wrote: Now with added pointy and clickyness. Now with added Ludditeness. Dave. Luddite n 1 : any opponent of technological progress [syn: {Luddite}] 2: one of the 19th century English workman who destroyed labor-saving machinery that they thought would

Re: Debuggers (was Re: Perl Training Courses)

2001-03-22 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:37:39 + (GMT), Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2001, Mar, 21, Cross, Dave wrote: And how about: a decent Perl debugger (that also happens to be free). You have a decent Perl debugger. It's called perl -d.

Re: Debuggers (was Re: Perl Training Courses)

2001-03-22 Thread Andy Williams
On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote: Oh, it's not me - it's the environment I'm currently working in. Dave... [not a Luddite] I can vouch for that REALLY bad environment!! Andy [Not a Luddite either]

Re: Debuggers (was Re: Perl Training Courses)

2001-03-22 Thread Dean
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 04:45:57AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: You have a decent Perl debugger. It's called perl -d. Eugh. perl -d:ptkdb please. Yeah. Now use that when you only have telnet access to your development system :-/ Not even an ssh connection? Now with added pointy

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-22 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 06:41:07PM +, Dave Cross wrote: You have a decent Perl debugger. It's called perl -d. The most effective debugging tool is still careful thought, coupled with judiciously placed print statements. -Kernighan, 1978 -- use POSIX;e(1);sub

Re: Debuggers (was Re: Perl Training Courses)

2001-03-22 Thread Dave Cross
At 22 Mar 2001 09:02:31 +, Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave Cross [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At Thu, 22 Mar 2001 09:37:39 + (GMT), Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2001, Mar, 21, Cross, Dave wrote: And how about: a decent Perl debugger (that also happens

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-22 Thread Robert Shiels
From: "Simon Cozens" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 March 2001 10:33 Subject: Re: Perl Training Courses On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 06:41:07PM +, Dave Cross wrote: You have a decent Perl debugger. It's called perl -d. The most effective debugging tool is sti

Re: Debuggers (was Re: Perl Training Courses)

2001-03-22 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 06:09:19AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: Not sure they can even spell 'ssh' here :) Let me explain the set-up. I have a PC running Win95. I access a number of IBM AIX machines using putty. When I first joined, I asked about the possibility of getting Exceed installed, but

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-22 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, you wrote: / me delurks - don't worry, you won't see much of me round here :) But... why?? Why I delurked, or why you won't see much of me on this list? The answer to both is that I'll only post if I have something useful to contribute, and seeing as I'm new to

Re: Debuggers (was Re: Perl Training Courses)

2001-03-22 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 10:36:01AM +, Dean wrote: Wait till Activestate get their IDE's out for Linux It's already out, I thought. Needs Perl and Python and all sorts of bits and pieces installed. -- People who love sausages, respect the law, and work with IT standards shouldn't watch

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-22 Thread Robin Szemeti
On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, you wrote: The most effective debugging tool is still careful thought, coupled with judiciously placed print statements. -Kernighan, 1978 Still my debugger of choice for most languages, my code is littered with commented debug print statements. well .. yes .. and no

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-22 Thread Robert Shiels
From: "Robin Szemeti" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 March 2001 12:03 Subject: Re: Perl Training Courses On Thu, 22 Mar 2001, you wrote: The most effective debugging tool is still careful thought, coupled with judiciously placed print statements. -Kerni

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-22 Thread Hamlet D'Arcy
From listening to the conversation about debugging tools, it seems to me that the perspective of the list might be skewed. Print statements are great when you're debugging your own code or even someone else's code on small projects... But what about those times where you are handed a folder

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-22 Thread Dominic Mitchell
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 12:55:49PM -, Hamlet D'Arcy wrote: From listening to the conversation about debugging tools, it seems to me that the perspective of the list might be skewed. Print statements are great when you're debugging your own code or even someone else's code on small

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-22 Thread DJ Adams
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 12:45:20PM -, Robert Shiels wrote: [1]slight simplifiction, but pretty much true, if there are any other SAP people here :-) /me just manages to resist going on and on about SAP's debugger dj "eee, it was much better in the 80s"

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-22 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 12:03:02PM +, Robin Szemeti wrote: But debugging tools can be very very good .. If anyone has used the Borland Turbo Debugger for C / C++ you'll know what I mean . even the old DOS version is just plain brilliant .. step around code, change registers, place watches

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-21 Thread Dave Cross
At Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:19:57 + (GMT), Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of my collegues asked me about Perl training courses in the U.K. To be honest, we have no idea what is good, what is bad, etc, and so I suggested asking you lot. We've been looking through a Learning Tree

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-21 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick
On Wed, 21 Mar 2001, Mark Fowler wrote: On 2001, 21, Mar, Wed Stevens, Michael wrote: On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 04:19:57PM +, Mark Fowler wrote: One of my collegues asked me about Perl training courses in the U.K. Wasn't there some kerazy scheme to get london.pm doing courses? Sorry.

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-21 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is what I think they would need to learn: a) Get hit over the head a bit with my, local, strict, good programming practices. Maybe a quick refresher on how arrays, hashes and suchlike really work. (In terms of passing between

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-21 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick
On 21 Mar 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: d) Debugging Amen MBM -- Matthew Byng-Maddick Home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44 20 8980 5714 (Home) http://colondot.net/ Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] +44 7956 613942 (Mobile) perl -e 'print reverse split//,"\n.rekcah lreP rehtona tsuJ"' perl

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-21 Thread James Powell
On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 04:31:06PM -, Matthew Jones wrote: What do you need? If you can get three or four people interested in doing the same course and can supply a suitable room, then Iterative would be only too happy to help you out. I'm interested if there are courses on offer.

RE: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-21 Thread Matthew Jones
I'm interested if there are courses on offer. There's only so much you can do with just yourself and a pile of O'Reilly books. I'd love to help, but we're not in a position to offer public courses yet - the cost of hiring rooms and PCs is too prohibitive. Who said anything about doing

RE: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-21 Thread dcross - David Cross
On 2001, 21, Mar, Wed, Cross, Dave wrote: At Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:19:57 + (GMT), Mark Fowler wrote: One of my collegues asked me about Perl training courses in the U.K. As far as I can see, none of the scheduled courses in the UK are much cop. What do you need? If

RE: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-21 Thread Matthew Jones
I'm interested if there are courses on offer. There's only so much you can do with just yourself and a pile of O'Reilly books. The mind boggles ;) No, not the *mind*! ;) Oh, I forgot to mention the Prairie Squid (de-beaked, of course). -- matt "'scuse me trooper, will you be needing

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-21 Thread Simon Cozens
On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 04:19:57PM +, Mark Fowler wrote: One of my collegues asked me about Perl training courses in the U.K. To be honest, we have no idea what is good, what is bad, etc, and so I suggested asking you lot. NetThink will be running some courses soon. Don't want to

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-21 Thread celia
I know you said this: Mark Fowler wrote: I'd like a course to make *sure* they do but courses aside, books are still good. In particular, the Andrew L Johnson book ("Elements of Programming with Perl", as rec'd by davorg) is really handy when it comes to being: a) [...] hit over the head a

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-21 Thread Nathan Torkington
Mark Fowler wrote: One of my collegues asked me about Perl training courses in the U.K. To be honest, we have no idea what is good, what is bad, etc, and so I suggested asking you lot. The London Open Source Convention will have Perl tutorials. If only I could say precisely when it would

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-21 Thread Simon Cozens
On Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 12:15:17AM -, Dean S Wilson wrote: Anyone submitting anything for this? http://www.ukuug.org/events/linux2001/ Yup, I've been approached for some tutorials for that. -- It's a short step from using alt.binaries.warez.protocol-droids.c3p0 to Palpatine seeing a post

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-21 Thread David H. Adler
On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 10:22:34PM +, celia wrote: / me delurks - don't worry, you won't see much of me round here :) But... why?? dha -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ philosophy department - you don't have to be to work here, but it helps

Re: Perl Training Courses

2001-03-21 Thread celia
David H. Adler wrote: On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 10:22:34PM +, celia wrote: / me delurks - don't worry, you won't see much of me round here :) But... why?? Why I delurked, or why you won't see much of me on this list? The answer to both is that I'll only post if I have something useful