Re: tape changes

2001-06-06 Thread Chris Heathcote

on 5/6/01 10:31 am, Robin Szemeti wrote:

 hmm .. we're trying to justify a move to 5gb a month .. at which point
 Nildram sounds like a cheaper option. ... is Aylesbury nice?

No :)

But hopefully you wouldn't need to go there that often (just when the root
password expires ho hum).

I think there best selling point is shown in one of their newsgroups
nildram.service - you've got Adrian, the MD, telling customers to complain
more, and telling off ex-Nildram staffers for justifying when things go
wrong.

c.
(8.2gb a month and rising)
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Re: tape changes

2001-06-05 Thread Chris Heathcote

on 4/6/01 11:29 pm, Chris Benson wrote:

 OTOH It makes Nildram's gbp2000 p.a. including 15mins of technician/day to
 do whatever you need seem very good value.

I have one of those. Nildram couldn't be more helpful. I've even had to
visit my box on occasion (ok, so they're in Aylesbury, but it's only an hour
away from London by train). As long as you've got a reasonable request,
they're happy to fulfill it.

When I had an FM server at Easynet, tape changing was considered part of the
package as well.

15 quid a shot sounds expensive to me - 15 quid a week is sort of
justifiable if it is a dirt-cheap host.

c.
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Re: tape changes

2001-06-05 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Tue, 05 Jun 2001, Chris Heathcote wrote:
 on 4/6/01 11:29 pm, Chris Benson wrote:
 
  OTOH It makes Nildram's gbp2000 p.a. including 15mins of technician/day to
  do whatever you need seem very good value.
 
 I have one of those. Nildram couldn't be more helpful. I've even had to
 visit my box on occasion (ok, so they're in Aylesbury, but it's only an hour
 away from London by train). As long as you've got a reasonable request,
 they're happy to fulfill it.

so thats another big vote for Nildram then ..

 When I had an FM server at Easynet, tape changing was considered part of the
 package as well.

yeah .. the bit that irked me is we never so much as even ring up and
annoy them, we haven't even had to have our reset button pressed once in
a years hosting ..and when you ask for a tape change once a month its 15
bleedin' quid .. g .. 

I'd sort of accepted that when:
them 'we'll start charging 15 quid a month from the 1st of june' 
me 'no .. the 1st of july .. the June tapes already in, and we did that
  ourselves'
them  'we could just take your tape out till the 1st of july ...'

 15 quid a shot sounds expensive to me - 15 quid a week is sort of
 justifiable if it is a dirt-cheap host.

hmm .. we're trying to justify a move to 5gb a month .. at which point
Nildram sounds like a cheaper option. ... is Aylesbury nice?

-- 
Robin Szemeti   

Redpoint Consulting Limited
Real Solutions For A Virtual World 



Re: tape changes

2001-06-05 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick

On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 10:31:37AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
[hosting providers]
 so thats another big vote for Nildram then ..
[snip]
 hmm .. we're trying to justify a move to 5gb a month .. at which point
 Nildram sounds like a cheaper option. ... is Aylesbury nice?

An alternative: http://www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk/colo.html

MBM




Re: tape changes

2001-06-05 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Tue, 05 Jun 2001, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
 On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 10:31:37AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
 [hosting providers]
  so thats another big vote for Nildram then ..
 [snip]
  hmm .. we're trying to justify a move to 5gb a month .. at which point
  Nildram sounds like a cheaper option. ... is Aylesbury nice?
 
 An alternative: http://www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk/colo.html

looks good .. apart from the pounds per U ... 

-- 
Robin Szemeti   

Redpoint Consulting Limited
Real Solutions For A Virtual World 



Re: tape changes

2001-06-05 Thread Matthew Byng-Maddick

On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 01:10:47PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
 On Tue, 05 Jun 2001, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
  On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 10:31:37AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
  [hosting providers]
   so thats another big vote for Nildram then ..
  [snip]
   hmm .. we're trying to justify a move to 5gb a month .. at which point
   Nildram sounds like a cheaper option. ... is Aylesbury nice?
  An alternative: http://www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk/colo.html
 looks good .. apart from the pounds per U ... 

Fair enough. I think that it's actually pretty reasonable when all's said
and done, given the location etc. They are very clued up, and the point of
the company is more to provide the best service they can (the people who
run it have other day jobs).

MBM




Re: tape changes

2001-06-05 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Tue, 05 Jun 2001, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
 On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 01:10:47PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
  On Tue, 05 Jun 2001, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote:
   On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 10:31:37AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
   [hosting providers]
so thats another big vote for Nildram then ..
   [snip]
hmm .. we're trying to justify a move to 5gb a month .. at which point
Nildram sounds like a cheaper option. ... is Aylesbury nice?
   An alternative: http://www.blackcatnetworks.co.uk/colo.html
  looks good .. apart from the pounds per U ... 
 
 Fair enough. I think that it's actually pretty reasonable when all's said
 and done, given the location etc. They are very clued up, and the point of
 the company is more to provide the best service they can (the people who
 run it have other day jobs).

indeed .. it does look good ..  but since we just have a plain vanilla
non-rackmount box it would push it up a bit ... but there again we saved
on the cost of kit I guess ...

-- 
Robin Szemeti   

Redpoint Consulting Limited
Real Solutions For A Virtual World 



Re: tape changes

2001-06-05 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Tue, 05 Jun 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
 Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 
  hmm .. we're trying to justify a move to 5gb a month .. at which point
  Nildram sounds like a cheaper option. ... is Aylesbury nice?
 
 There's some nice villages outside... ;-)
 
 Question - how much data you got?

dunno .. never counted it :) ... probably no more than a couple of giggle
bites in the /home tree .. and a 50 megs in mysql I guess. there are
quite a lot of small sites on there ... 

tar.gzedded it comes to about 700 megs .. pour quoi?

 Can you rsync to your local network?

yeah .. thats what we do with some of the sites ...  the rest are left
for their owners to update in the normal ftp sorta way.

-- 
Robin Szemeti   

Redpoint Consulting Limited
Real Solutions For A Virtual World 



Re: tape changes

2001-06-05 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Tue, 05 Jun 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
  Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
   hmm .. we're trying to justify a move to 5gb a month .. at which point
   Nildram sounds like a cheaper option. ... is Aylesbury nice?
  
  There's some nice villages outside... ;-)
  
  Question - how much data you got?
 
 dunno .. never counted it :) ... probably no more than a couple of giggle
 bites in the /home tree .. and a 50 megs in mysql I guess. there are
 quite a lot of small sites on there ... 
 
 tar.gzedded it comes to about 700 megs .. pour quoi?

why arse with tapes when you can mirror?

-- 
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Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star   http://www.deep-purple.com
  Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
   



Re: tape changes

2001-06-05 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Tue, 05 Jun 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:

   Question - how much data you got?
  tar.gzedded it comes to about 700 megs .. pour quoi?
 
 why arse with tapes when you can mirror?

we did consider that .. and prior to 'arsing with tapes' that what we dun
.. but it was eating at a not inconsderable rate into our meagre bandwidth
allowance ... I take the point though ...

looking over the logs the incrementals each day amount to around 20 megs
.. thats 20 megs * 30 days = 600 megs .. thats quite a chunk out
of a 2gb  monthly bandwidth allowance.

ahh .. by 'localnet' I guess you meant the 'localnet' at the colo
facility .. in which case I suspect they'd charge us more than 15 quid
just fo rhaving a non-internetted box their on the shlef .. and part of
the goodness of tapes is that you can at least move em easily off site
incase of damage by fire/flood/vampires/cleavage

-- 
Robin Szemeti   

Redpoint Consulting Limited
Real Solutions For A Virtual World 



Re: tape changes

2001-06-05 Thread Paul Makepeace

On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 08:59:32PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
 of a 2gb  monthly bandwidth allowance.

Oh my lord -- I shift over a gig a day just thru' the freenet node and
that's on a crappy DSL line. Remind me to whine less when Pacific [HB]ell 
messes with the connection...

 the goodness of tapes is that you can at least move em easily off site
 incase of damage by fire/flood/vampires/cleavage

Tapes getting ravished by cleavage? Well, I guess what you lack in
bandwidth gets made up in other areas...

Paul, jealous


-- 
Disciplined self-indulgence



Re: tape changes

2001-06-05 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

Robin Szemeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Tue, 05 Jun 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
 
Question - how much data you got?
   tar.gzedded it comes to about 700 megs .. pour quoi?
  
  why arse with tapes when you can mirror?
 
 we did consider that .. and prior to 'arsing with tapes' that what we dun
 .. but it was eating at a not inconsderable rate into our meagre bandwidth
 allowance ... I take the point though ...
 
 looking over the logs the incrementals each day amount to around 20 megs
 .. thats 20 megs * 30 days = 600 megs .. thats quite a chunk out
 of a 2gb  monthly bandwidth allowance.

Well, get them to discount local bandwidth. 

-- 
Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org
Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star   http://www.deep-purple.com
  Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
   



Re: tape changes

2001-06-05 Thread Robin Szemeti

On Tue, 05 Jun 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:

 Well, get them to discount local bandwidth. 

too late ... I installed a tape drive :) .. and its got a light on the
front and everything ... :)

spose I'll have to buy a copy of BRU now .. or should I trust it to a
dodgy collection of shell scripts .. hmm .. decisions decisions.

-- 
Robin Szemeti   

Redpoint Consulting Limited
Real Solutions For A Virtual World 



Re: tape changes

2001-06-05 Thread David Cantrell

On Tue, Jun 05, 2001 at 08:59:32PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
 On Tue, 05 Jun 2001, Dave Hodgkinson wrote:
 
Question - how much data you got?
   tar.gzedded it comes to about 700 megs .. pour quoi?
  
  why arse with tapes when you can mirror?
 
 we did consider that .. and prior to 'arsing with tapes' that what we dun
 .. but it was eating at a not inconsderable rate into our meagre bandwidth
 allowance ... I take the point though ...

Were you being careful to only back up that which needed to be backed up?
Were you using rsync-over-ssh and not plain ol' scp?

-- 
David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/

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  but that's no reason not to give it-- Agatha Christie



Re: tape changes

2001-06-04 Thread Roger Burton West

On Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 08:04:46PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:

is 15 quid a shot
cheap  [  ]
normal [  ]
expensive  [  ]
for lobbing a dat tape into a box and slinging in a new one?

It's not Telehouse prices, but it sounds expensive to me.

R



Re: tape changes

2001-06-04 Thread Chris Benson

On Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 08:04:46PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote:
 
 umm .. 
 
 so .. you people with boxen in various places .. quick show of hands:
 
 is 15 quid a shot
 cheap [  ]
 normal[  ]
 expensive [  ]
 
 for lobbing a dat tape into a box and slinging in a new one?

That seemed the going rate for the dirt-cheap boxhosters I looked at.

OTOH It makes Nildram's gbp2000 p.a. including 15mins of technician/day to
do whatever you need seem very good value.

RANTThis is the difference between a company looking at every person
as a cost centre who has to earn their keep (by screwing the customer
as often and as deeply as possible) and someone looking to provide a
service by offering the customer what they need./RANT

(I also liked that boxen at Nildram were only a link or two from LYNX
while a couple of the large co-locators I considered were 10 hops inside 
BT's tangled web away).
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