Re: Mailman in Perl (Re: the list is dead, long live the list)

2001-01-15 Thread Michael Stevens
On Sun, Jan 14, 2001 at 11:26:28PM -0500, Mark Rogaski wrote: It's also sheer idiocy to pipe arbitrary code from an untrusted, unverified source directly to the shell. How is it less secure than downloading a tar file and typing ./configure? Admittedly you *could* check several meg of source

Re: Mailman in Perl (Re: the list is dead, long live the list)

2001-01-15 Thread David H. Adler
On Mon, Jan 15, 2001 at 10:42:34AM +, Steve Mynott wrote: "David H. Adler" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, you're much too kind. My redhat box is disintigrating before my very eyes. root partition filled up for no reason and, thus I looked at the partition table: / /boot

Re: Mailman in Perl (Re: the list is dead, long live the list)

2001-01-14 Thread Steve Mynott
David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yeah, I know, but then I compile plenty of stuff from scratch rather than rely on RPMs. The real reason I haven't switched is because it's really The drawback with 'make install' from source is that it doesn't write a database of files owned by that

Re: Mailman in Perl (Re: the list is dead, long live the list)

2001-01-14 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Sun, Jan 14, 2001 at 05:01:55AM +, Shevek wrote: I had always committed to the nature of Unix being that one does end up with a pile of stuff on disk which one doesn't use. for i in etc usr; do find /$i -mount -type f -atime +60 | perl -lne unlink; done :-) The point is that

Re: Mailman in Perl (Re: the list is dead, long live the list)

2001-01-14 Thread David H. Adler
On Sat, Jan 13, 2001 at 05:19:18PM -0600, Paul Makepeace wrote: On Sat, Jan 13, 2001 at 03:05:48PM +, Michael Stevens wrote: start type="holy_war" Or, more sensibly, debian. apt-get install foo It continues to amaze me that people still use Red Hat. It's just a pile of marketing

Re: Mailman in Perl (Re: the list is dead, long live the list)

2001-01-14 Thread David H. Adler
On Sun, Jan 14, 2001 at 11:26:28PM -0500, Mark Rogaski wrote: An entity claiming to be David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: : : It's more than cute. It's *BRILLIANT*. The user doesn't even have to : know what computer they have. Whilst they only support a couple of : combinations of

Re: Mailman in Perl (Re: the list is dead, long live the list)

2001-01-13 Thread Michael Stevens
On Sat, Jan 13, 2001 at 02:53:57PM +, David Cantrell wrote: Surely, then, rpm should have the ability to install and fetch dependencies from the network automagically? Yes it should. It doesn't. Which is why Helix's installer is so much easier to use. start type="holy_war" Or, more

Re: Mailman in Perl (Re: the list is dead, long live the list)

2001-01-13 Thread David Cantrell
On Sat, Jan 13, 2001 at 05:19:18PM -0600, Paul Makepeace wrote: It continues to amaze me that people still use Red Hat. It's just a pile of marketing driven crap. Debian is so far superior it hurts watching people struggle with RPMs. Yeah, I know, but then I compile plenty of stuff from

Re: Mailman in Perl (Re: the list is dead, long live the list)

2001-01-13 Thread Shevek
On Sun, 14 Jan 2001, David Cantrell wrote: rely on RPMs. The real reason I haven't switched is because it's really *nasty* trying to switch from one distro to another without a) losing valuable config data and b) ending up with a ton of unused junk on the disk which is nigh-on impossible to

Re: the list is dead, long live the list

2001-01-12 Thread Steve Mynott
Some people like "bernsteinisms"! ;-) "Paul Makepeace" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: "David Cantrell" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Exactly. I just can't handle bernsteinisms when there are good alternatives available - exim (easy), postfix (secure), mailman. I can only put up with his

Re: Mailman in Perl (Re: the list is dead, long live the list)

2001-01-12 Thread Aaron Trevena
Following the interest in rope/pope, etc perhaps it would be an idea for some of the more perl / oss oriented companies in london (or wherever) to agree to take part in the project on a semi official basis - much of what the work that the london and UK companies do is replicated because of lack

Re: Mailman in Perl (Re: the list is dead, long live the list)

2001-01-12 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Aaron Trevena ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Following the interest in rope/pope, etc perhaps it would be an idea for some of the more perl / oss oriented companies in london (or wherever) to agree to take part in the project on a semi official basis - much of what the work that the london

Re: Mailman in Perl (Re: the list is dead, long live the list)

2001-01-12 Thread David H. Adler
On Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 02:16:15PM +, Andy Wardley wrote: Said I: In all fairness, I have to say that mailman is an *excellent* mailing list manager. Said David H. Adler: So why haven't you reimplemented it in perl? :) Are you sitting comfortably? :-) Because the tools

Re: Mailman in Perl (Re: the list is dead, long live the list)

2001-01-12 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote: what about the actual mechanics of putting rope together? i'm assuming we'd create a /usr/local/Rope, build the latest stable perl in there, then configure apache for mod_perl etc and install it under there as well, the the other modules. A

Re: Mailman in Perl (Re: the list is dead, long live the list)

2001-01-12 Thread Steve Mynott
Greg McCarroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: finally is it enough to simply tar.gz /usr/local/Rope and tag it with the architecture details No you would want to build packages (.deb, .rpm and BSD and Solaris packages) of rope for a "binary" type install as well as supplying a "source" tar which

Re: Mailman in Perl (Re: the list is dead, long live the list)

2001-01-12 Thread David Cantrell
On Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 07:06:00PM +, Steve Mynott wrote: No you would want to build packages (.deb, .rpm and BSD and Solaris packages) of rope for a "binary" type install as well as supplying a "source" tar which works with make, make install. The installation method used by Helix is

Re: Mailman in Perl (Re: the list is dead, long live the list)

2001-01-12 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 08:28:25PM +, David Cantrell wrote: lynx -source http://go-gnome.com/ | sh That's cute! If you wanted to use Perl; # `GET http://go-gnome.com` : ) Paul

Re: Mailman in Perl (Re: the list is dead, long live the list)

2001-01-12 Thread Aaron Trevena
On Fri, 12 Jan 2001, Paul Makepeace wrote: On Fri, Jan 12, 2001 at 08:28:25PM +, David Cantrell wrote: lynx -source http://go-gnome.com/ | sh that would rock. also what would be very valuable would be the ability to install from one config for a cluster or synchronise config changes

Re: the list is dead, long live the list

2001-01-11 Thread Leon Brocard
Jo Walsh sent the following bits through the ether: lets kill off the old list before the two get too far out of sync Nah, mailman on penderel - you know you want to! ;-) Leon -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/

Re: the list is dead, long live the list

2001-01-11 Thread Michael Stevens
On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 12:32:46PM +, Leon Brocard wrote: Jo Walsh sent the following bits through the ether: lets kill off the old list before the two get too far out of sync Nah, mailman on penderel - you know you want to! ;-) Yeah, we want our own mailing list server. And a pony.

Re: the list is dead, long live the list

2001-01-11 Thread Struan Donald
* at 11/01 12:51 + Michael Stevens said: On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 12:32:46PM +, Leon Brocard wrote: Jo Walsh sent the following bits through the ether: lets kill off the old list before the two get too far out of sync Nah, mailman on penderel - you know you want to! ;-) Yeah, we

Re: the list is dead, long live the list

2001-01-11 Thread Peter Corlett
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write: Nah, mailman on penderel - you know you want to! ;-) Yeah, we want our own mailing list server. Mmph, it's not that hard to install Majordomo is it? If need be, just give me the root password and I'll go and set it up... And a pony. It's running

Re: the list is dead, long live the list

2001-01-11 Thread Jo Walsh
And a pony. who needs a pony when we have a camel? when are we going to see the camel i would sooner install qmail/ezmlm than mailman would ppl object? -- a member of the state51 conspiracy [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: the list is dead, long live the list

2001-01-11 Thread Michael Stevens
On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 01:16:19PM +, Jo Walsh wrote: i would sooner install qmail/ezmlm than mailman would ppl object? I'd rather see exim/mailman but qmail is cool too. The most important bit is to get *something* working :) Michael

Re: the list is dead, long live the list

2001-01-11 Thread Greg Cope
Roger Burton West wrote: On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 01:11:45PM +, Peter Corlett wrote: Mmph, it's not that hard to install Majordomo is it? If need be, just give me the root password and I'll go and set it up... ...and once you've installed Majordomo, _everyone_ has the root

Re: the list is dead, long live the list

2001-01-11 Thread Michael Stevens
On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 01:20:33PM +, Roger Burton West wrote: (Supposedly Mjd 2 is going to be better, RSN.) IIRC the postgresql mailing list are actually using it, or were. Don't think that it is done yet, tho. Smartlist is good. Mailman is good. ezmlm and qmail actually seem pretty

Re: the list is dead, long live the list

2001-01-11 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 01:11:45PM +, Peter Corlett wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write: Nah, mailman on penderel - you know you want to! ;-) Yeah, we want our own mailing list server. Mmph, it's not that hard to install Majordomo is it? If need be, just give me the root

Re: the list is dead, long live the list

2001-01-11 Thread Michael Stevens
On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 01:27:50PM +, David Cantrell wrote: /me has a bone to pick with majordomo. majordomo + virtual domains = a whole world of hurt It's doable, you'll just wish you hadn't. Michael

Re: the list is dead, long live the list

2001-01-11 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 01:25:26PM +, Greg Cope wrote: Roger Burton West wrote: Smartlist is good. Mailman is good. ezmlm is better Other than its unfortunate reliance on qmail. -- David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david Any technology

RE: the list is dead, long live the list

2001-01-11 Thread dcross - David Cross
From: Peter Corlett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 11 January 2001 13:12 In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you write: Nah, mailman on penderel - you know you want to! ;-) Yeah, we want our own mailing list server. Mmph, it's not that hard to install Majordomo is it? If need be, just give me the

Re: the list is dead, long live the list

2001-01-11 Thread David Cantrell
On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 01:39:18PM +, Michael Stevens wrote: On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 01:27:50PM +, David Cantrell wrote: /me has a bone to pick with majordomo. majordomo + virtual domains = a whole world of hurt It's doable, you'll just wish you hadn't. It's all working swimingly

Re: the list is dead, long live the list

2001-01-11 Thread Mark Rogaski
An entity claiming to be David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: : : majordomo + virtual domains = a whole world of hurt : With a virtual user table under Sendmail, I would imagine it's not _that_ bad. Mark -- Mark Rogaski | "I've said this before but I'll say it again:

Re: the list is dead, long live the list

2001-01-11 Thread Michael Stevens
On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 01:51:15PM +, David Cantrell wrote: Good thing: the error messages were short enough to fit into an SMS Bad thing: they contained no useful information whatsoever I Will Not Give In. I Will Not Install Python. I actually kinda like python, from the little I've

Re: the list is dead, long live the list

2001-01-11 Thread David H. Adler
On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 02:07:20PM +, Andy Wardley wrote: In all fairness, I have to say that mailman is an *excellent* mailing list manager. So why haven't you reimplemented it in perl? :) dha -- David H. Adler - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ Good marriages work this

Re: the list is dead, long live the list

2001-01-11 Thread Greg McCarroll
* David H. Adler ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 02:07:20PM +, Andy Wardley wrote: In all fairness, I have to say that mailman is an *excellent* mailing list manager. So why haven't you reimplemented it in perl? :) previous_comment delivery="gentle" because

Re: the list is dead, long live the list

2001-01-11 Thread David Hodgkinson
"David H. Adler" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, Jan 11, 2001 at 02:07:20PM +, Andy Wardley wrote: In all fairness, I have to say that mailman is an *excellent* mailing list manager. So why haven't you reimplemented it in perl? :) As an XML and perl based application server?

Re: the list is dead, long live the list

2001-01-11 Thread Paul Makepeace
From: "Andy Wardley" [EMAIL PROTECTED] In all fairness, I have to say that mailman is an *excellent* mailing list manager. Yes it is. Majordomo is the wrong choice for the 21st century. Once again I'll offer to run the list on euro.pm.org but if y'all'd rather debate stuff go ahead :-) Paul

Re: the list is dead, long live the list

2001-01-11 Thread Greg McCarroll
* Paul Makepeace ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: From: "Andy Wardley" [EMAIL PROTECTED] In all fairness, I have to say that mailman is an *excellent* mailing list manager. Yes it is. Majordomo is the wrong choice for the 21st century. Once again I'll offer to run the list on euro.pm.org but

Re: the list is dead, long live the list

2001-01-11 Thread Paul Makepeace
From: "David Cantrell" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Exactly. I just can't handle bernsteinisms when there are good alternatives available - exim (easy), postfix (secure), mailman. I can only put up with his oddities when the alternative is worse. djbdns vs bind. Totally agreed. FWIW, exim + mailman