There's a technical meeting tonight at Codix.net, 107 Shepard's Bush
Road, London. Nearest tube station is Hammersmith; there's a map here:
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?P2M?P=w67lpZ=1
The meeting starts at 6.30 for 7pm, and speakers are:
The Road To Attribute::Parameters -
Just wondering about some more magical pieces of the jigsaw.
Is there a way of getting a coderef for where you are inside caller?
Is there also a way of tricking the call stack into making it look as if you
have come from there?
Also, is there a way of generating extra stack frames including
On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 09:12:41PM +0100, Merijn Broeren ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Quoting Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
Perl has a huge image problem. It's seen as the language that script kiddies
use to write insecure CGI scripts. And it's difficult to argue with that
perception
The org committee is also arranging some sort of accomodation booking
assistance, we however need a cat herder from our ranks to organise
this. Any volunteers? Let me know and I'll give you the details.
G.
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On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 08:17:10PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
so for humour sake, what would we call it?
P#
or
PP (You said pee-pee, snicker :-)
A
On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 12:33:44AM +, Rob Partington wrote:
The main
problem I have with Ruby for easynet[1] is that most of the things I do
need web frontends and I really need Template Toolkit for that. Hopefully
someone[2] will take pity on me and port it to Ruby RSN.
Hi Rob, I'll
On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Piers Cawley wrote:
Please, these people are *not* idiots. And if we persist in calling
them that and treating them as if they *are* idiots then we are going
to continue to be perceived as scary people that no sane person should
go near.
So you're trying to tell us that
On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Chris Carline wrote:
In fact, perl 6 may be a far more attractive proposition as a CLR language due
to its fresh implementation.
If successful (and I wouldn't underestimate the chances of Microsoft here), it
would mean that programmer productivity would actually start
Because some things work better on NT than on Unix. As long as
decisions are made based on the suitability of the platform for the
application, then I've got nothing against NT etc.
Richard.
NT and Unix SysAdmin
-Original Message-
From: Roger Burton West [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 09:04:15PM +, Chris Carline wrote:
The key here is that Microsoft are trying to create a language-independent
platform; whereas the alternative (Java) ties you to the one approach.
That's not strictly true. Microsoft are try to create a language
independant
On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Piers Cawley wrote:
Roger Burton West [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
that; it's the idiots we have to worry about.
Please, these people are *not* idiots. And if we persist in calling
No, it will be the clever people that chose perl 6.
Alex Gough
On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Struan Donald wrote:
* at 23/01 17:44 + Mark Fowler said:
This name has to go. Perl 6 makes it sound like it's just another update
to perl. It's not. It's a new beginning.
won't that just confuse people? alternately it's the sort of thing
people see through
On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 12:08:45AM +, the hatter wrote:
will point to perl6, and perl5 will have to be called as perl5. And I
pick redhat merely because it's a hugely popular distrib, and they do tend
to want to get the new/cool/geeky options in there quickly, so the other
distribs will
* at 23/01 19:25 + Mark Fowler said:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Struan Donald wrote:
* at 23/01 17:44 + Mark Fowler said:
This name has to go. Perl 6 makes it sound like it's just another update
to perl. It's not. It's a new beginning.
won't that just confuse people?
It's here, it's groovy, it's the subject of a lightning talk.
http://unixbeard.net/~richardc/lab/Sub-Parameters/Sub-Parameters-0.01.tar.gz
--
Richard Clamp [EMAIL PROTECTED]
NAME
Sub::Parameters - enhanced parmeter handling
SYNOPSIS
use Sub::Parameters;
sub foo : WantParam {
On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Piers Cawley wrote:
Please, these people are *not* idiots. And if we persist in calling
them that and treating them as if they *are* idiots then we are going
to continue to be perceived as scary people that no sane person should
go near.
I'm *proud* to be a scary person
On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Paul Mison wrote:
There's a technical meeting tonight at Codix.net, 107 Shepard's Bush
Road, London. Nearest tube station is Hammersmith; there's a map here:
Unlike last time, our white boards are all now pinned to the walls - in
places that aren't very convenient for use
On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Dave Cross wrote:
The vast majority of companies don't use Perl at all. And until we do
something about advocacy for Perl 6, that situation won't change.
Meanwhile, Perl is earning a good name for itself in the scientific
community. Then again, this might just be saying
On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Paul Makepeace wrote:
On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 12:08:45AM +, the hatter wrote:
will point to perl6, and perl5 will have to be called as perl5. And I
pick redhat merely because it's a hugely popular distrib, and they do tend
to want to get the new/cool/geeky
So penderel is back after dieing yet again. I suggest that we replace it
with a machine which is actually engineered to be reliable, not something
which is designed to run Windows for half an hour between BSODs. Bearing
in mind that we really don't push the machine anywhere near its limits,
I
I've just turned down a Senior Developer position in Amsterdam. Money is
kind of crap, but the company is quite cool. They are looking for Perl,
mod_perl, php, postgres, general geek interests, and sys. admin skills.
If anyone is interested then let me know and I'll put you through.
Accepted
On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 11:26:11AM +, Dave Cross wrote:
But I really don't think it's
everywhere. Look at the computer press. Do you see anyone talking about Perl
there?
Look at the computer press. Do you see anyone talking about stuff they
haven't been paid to talk about there? Even in my
* Lucy McWilliam ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Dave Cross wrote:
The vast majority of companies don't use Perl at all. And until we do
something about advocacy for Perl 6, that situation won't change.
Meanwhile, Perl is earning a good name for itself in the
David Cantrell wrote:
So penderel is back after dieing yet again. I suggest that we replace it
with a machine which is actually engineered to be reliable...
I would suggest this beast of a machine:
http://www-ccs.cs.umass.edu/%7Eshri/iPic.html
--
*claw claw* *fang*
*shred* *rip* *ad
On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 02:43:40PM +, David Cantrell wrote:
So penderel is back after dieing yet again. I suggest that we replace it
with a machine which is actually engineered to be reliable, not something
which is designed to run Windows for half an hour between BSODs. Bearing
in mind
On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Dave Cross wrote:
I really think you're wrong about that Merijn. Sure, MSDW are doing really
cool things with Perl, and we can all name other companies that we've worked
for where interesting Perl work is going on. But I really don't think it's
everywhere. Look at the
--On Thursday 24 January 2002 14:21 + Graham Seaman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Unlike last time, our white boards are all now pinned to the walls - in
places that aren't very convenient for use with a projector. Is anyone
bringing a projector screen?
I'm bringing the projector, but I will
On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 01:31:50PM -, Ivor Williams wrote:
Is there a way of getting a coderef for where you are inside caller?
The coderef for where you are is an interesting concept, which sadly
doesn't map very well to perl's internals. Only subroutines have
coderefs; there isn't a
On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Greg McCarroll wrote:
* Lucy McWilliam ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Meanwhile, Perl is earning a good name for itself in the scientific
community. Then again, this might just be saying summat about scientists
;-)
And remember this years YAPC::Europe is Perl and
On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Chris Devers wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Simon Wilcox wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Chris Carline wrote:
In anything less than the largest software houses, a standard language
will be chosen and used because it will reduce the maintenance costs.
I'm not sure if
On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Dave Cross wrote:
I worry that if we take the first option then Perl will be dead in five
years.
I worry that you keep saying that. Why? What is your concern, exactly?
I think the worst case scenario is that Perl could end up being like Cobol
is today -- old, ugly, and
On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 03:32:11PM +, Mark Fowler wrote:
I buy Heinz tomatoe ketchup because I know it and it's low risk - the
ketchup is *good* *enough* and I've only got one bottle of ketchup. I
don't want to be stuck at home with some (possible nice, but unknown)
ketchup to discover
On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 03:38:06PM +, Lucy McWilliam wrote:
I'm tempted to do a lightning talk (good practise for my viva) but I don't
actually do anything astonishing Perl-wise, it's just the biology/methods
that are quite fun.
Oh yeah, do it! I know a lot about Perl but very little
I am trying to get some input on a Perl based Email Archiver/Indexer. I
chose london.pm as one of my test mail list.
The Web interface is located at http://www.intelliforge.com
I will be submitting it to freshmeat if no major errors are found.
Anyway feel free to make any suggestions.
Thank
On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 09:41:03AM -0600, Chris Devers ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Dave Cross wrote:
I worry that if we take the first option then Perl will be dead in five
years.
I worry that you keep saying that. Why? What is your concern, exactly?
I think
On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 04:00:41PM +, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
Neither of you can predict the future. I don't know the specifics of
this case, but Win2K (or even NT3SP3) is hardly an unreliable file
serving platform*.
In my experience they both are (assuming you meant NT4SP3).
And Penderel
On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 11:06:41AM -0500, Tommie M. Jones wrote:
Anyway feel free to make any suggestions.
The From/Date show up as light grey on light blue in Konqueror, and are
unreadable. You haven't implemented threading, which is highly
important for a mailing list.
- Chris.
--
On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 11:06:41AM -0500, Tommie M. Jones wrote:
I am trying to get some input on a Perl based Email Archiver/Indexer. I
chose london.pm as one of my test mail list.
The Web interface is located at http://www.intelliforge.com
Umm, it seems not to know anything about
On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 03:11:21AM +, Richard Clamp wrote:
It's here, it's groovy, it's the subject of a lightning talk.
It's a bit buggy for perl blead, but now it doesn't barf over the
test scripts.
http://unixbeard.net/~richardc/lab/Sub-Parameters/Sub-Parameters-0.02.tar.gz
--
Tommie M. Jones wrote:
I am trying to get some input on a Perl based Email Archiver/Indexer. I
chose london.pm as one of my test mail list.
The Web interface is located at http://www.intelliforge.com
I will be submitting it to freshmeat if no major errors are found.
Anyway feel free
On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Tommie M. Jones wrote:
Also the Archiver does not know anything about thread structure. If
anyone is an email expert and has some suggestions about it please let
me know. I did not want to base it on the subject line so if there is
another possible solution
Take
Is anyone going to be there from about 5:45pm and fancies meeting up
early?
-Original Message-
From: Jonathan McKeown [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 24 January 2002 15:25
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Technical meeting tonight, reminder
--On Thursday 24
Tommie M. Jones sent the following bits through the ether:
Also the Archiver does not know anything about thread structure. If
anyone is an email expert and has some suggestions about it please let me
know. I did not want to base it on the subject line so if there is
another possible
Thursday, January 24, 2002, 4:45:32 PM, Tommie M. Jones wrote:
Also the Archiver does not know anything about thread structure. If
anyone is an email expert and has some suggestions about it please let me
know. I did not want to base it on the subject line so if there is
another possible
On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 11:45:32AM -0500, Tommie M. Jones wrote:
Also the Archiver does not know anything about thread structure. If
anyone is an email expert and has some suggestions about it please let me
know. I did not want to base it on the subject line so if there is
another possible
On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 11:45:32AM -0500, Tommie M. Jones wrote:
Also the Archiver does not know anything about thread structure. If
anyone is an email expert and has some suggestions about it please let me
know. I did not want to base it on the subject line so if there is
another possible
On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 04:00:41PM +, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
Anyone who chooses a fileserver which won't work reliably over one that
will -
Neither of you can predict the future. I don't know the specifics of
this case, but Win2K (or even NT3SP3) is hardly an unreliable file
On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 11:45:32AM -0500, Tommie M. Jones wrote:
Also the Archiver does not know anything about thread structure. If
anyone is an email expert and has some suggestions about it please let me
know. I did not want to base it on the subject line so if there is
another possible
On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 11:45:32AM -0500, Tommie M. Jones ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Also the Archiver does not know anything about thread structure. If
anyone is an email expert and has some suggestions about it please let me
know. I did not want to base it on the subject line so if there
Robin Houston wrote:
On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 04:36:08PM +, Tim Sweetman wrote:
So: display by thread. *PLEASE*. Or at least have big thread-pages as an
*option*, splitting rilly huge threads into multiple pages.
I think Google Groups does this reasonably nicely.
So it does! Exactly
On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Chris Ball wrote:
On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 11:06:41AM -0500, Tommie M. Jones wrote:
The From/Date show up as light grey on light blue in Konqueror, and are
unreadable. You haven't implemented threading, which is highly
important for a mailing list.
In Netscape the
David Cantrell wrote:
Does he have a friend
who had real trouble setting Samba up for some reason and now he's wary
of it?
If he values the advice of a random friend over the advice of the person
he pays good money to to know about these
Paul Johnson wrote:
I have occassionally used ?: as an lvalue.
Perlop used to say This is not necessarily guaranteed to
contribute to the readability of your program, but that
seems to have gone from recent versions. Anyone know why?
My guess would be that someone (with a reduced sense
On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 04:00:41PM +, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
serving platform*. And Penderel is hardly a testament to the reliability
of Linux machines.
I think Penderel is suffering from a bad case of
old-shabby-hardwaritis.
Paul
On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 05:01:15PM +, Richard Clamp wrote:
Probably the most commonly referred-to start point will be:
http://www.jwz.org/doc/threading.html
Followed by some time studying the sources to mozilla or mutt, I'd
imagine.
mutt's threading has been upgraded
On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, David Cantrell wrote:
On Wed, 23 Jan 2002, Piers Cawley wrote:
Please, these people are *not* idiots. And if we persist in calling
them that and treating them as if they *are* idiots then we are going
to continue to be perceived as scary people that no sane person
On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Mark Fowler wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jan 2002, Dave Cross wrote:
I really think you're wrong about that Merijn. Sure, MSDW are doing really
cool things with Perl, and we can all name other companies that we've worked
for where interesting Perl work is going on. But I really
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