Re: User Input at speed

2002-02-13 Thread Nic Gibson
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 07:10:04PM +, Andy Wardley wrote: > On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 05:36:33PM -, Ivor Williams wrote: > > At one previous employer, I remember a few supposedly ergonomic keyboards > > which were QWERTY, but split in the middle into two halves at an angle. I > > found these

Re: User Input at speed

2002-02-13 Thread Nic Gibson
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 05:36:33PM -, Ivor Williams wrote: > Philip Newton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote > [stuff about ergnomic keyboards] > > I am also looking to track down a contrasty PC keyboard - black keys > labelled in white, or white keys labelled in black (as opposed to dark bro

Re: User Input at speed

2002-02-13 Thread the hatter
On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Robert Shiels wrote: > > Must be the only Microsoft product I've ever recommended. > I've heard and agree with a lot of bad things said about MS software, but MS > make very good hardware IMO. I have 2 MS mice and an MS Sidewinder > forcefeedback joystick. They are very soli

Re: User Input at speed

2002-02-13 Thread Robert Shiels
From: "Roger Burton West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 07:10:04PM +, Andy Wardley wrote: > >The first Microsoft Natural Keyboard was typically broken in usual MS > >fashion. > >The second version a year or so later fixed this problem and is much nicer > >to use. Must be the

Re: User Input at speed

2002-02-13 Thread Chris Devers
On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, David Cantrell wrote: > On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 01:21:49PM -0600, Chris Devers wrote: > > On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, David Cantrell wrote: > > > Because the Enter key tends to be a different shape? > > How is it usually shaped on UK keyboards? > > Almost always a large backwards L

Re: User Input at speed

2002-02-13 Thread David Cantrell
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 01:21:49PM -0600, Chris Devers wrote: > On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, David Cantrell wrote: > > Because the Enter key tends to be a different shape? > How is it usually shaped on UK keyboards? Almost always a large backwards L IME. > The e

Re: User Input at speed

2002-02-13 Thread Roger Burton West
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 07:10:04PM +, Andy Wardley wrote: >The first Microsoft Natural Keyboard was typically broken in usual MS >fashion. >[snip] >The second version a year or so later fixed this problem and is much nicer >to use. Must be the only Microsoft product I've ever recommended. Y

Re: User Input at speed

2002-02-13 Thread Chris Devers
On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, David Cantrell wrote: > On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 05:53:33PM +, James A Duncan wrote: > > [0] Oddly enough I prefer a UK layout if I'm writing copious > > documentation, or perhaps even a piece of prose. > > Because the Enter key tends to be a different shape? How is it

Re: User Input at speed

2002-02-13 Thread David Cantrell
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 05:53:33PM +, James A Duncan wrote: > [0] Oddly enough I prefer a UK layout if I'm writing copious > documentation, or perhaps even a piece of prose. Because the Enter key tends to be a different shape? > If I'm writi

Re: User Input at speed

2002-02-13 Thread Andy Wardley
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 05:36:33PM -, Ivor Williams wrote: > At one previous employer, I remember a few supposedly ergonomic keyboards > which were QWERTY, but split in the middle into two halves at an angle. I > found these keyboards impossible to use. The first Microsoft Natural Keyboard w

Re: User Input at speed

2002-02-13 Thread Robert Shiels
From: "Ivor Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >I am also looking to track down a contrasty PC keyboard - black keys >labelled in white, or white keys labelled in black (as opposed to dark brown >keys labelled in light brown). Any ideas? I picked up an old Fujitsu one at a computer fair a couple of y

Re: Youth Hostel for YAPC::Europe?

2002-02-13 Thread anthony . fisher
Umm... yeah. I'm interested... if there are a few other people also going. Can people mail me off-list (my mail address is on http://2799.org/) if they are interested, and let me know *how* interested they are? Tony -- Anthony Fisher, Web Developer, Sophos Anti-Virus Real Business/CBI Growing

Re: User Input at speed

2002-02-13 Thread James A Duncan
On Wednesday, February 13, 2002, at 05:36 PM, Ivor Williams wrote: > I am also looking to track down a contrasty PC keyboard - black keys > labelled in white, or white keys labelled in black (as opposed to dark > brown I'd love to track down a translucent labelless keyboard. I can touch type

Re: User Input at speed

2002-02-13 Thread Dave Thorn
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 05:36:33PM -, Ivor Williams wrote: > > I am also looking to track down a contrasty PC keyboard - black keys > labelled in white I found the kind of fluorescent lighting in most offices made the keys difficult to read with this kind of keyboard. No, I don't have to lo

RE: User Input at speed

2002-02-13 Thread Ivor Williams
Philip Newton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote > Especially since you *will* have to remain familiar with QWERTY as you will > have to use keyboards that are not your own at some point (typing on a > co-worker's machine; on a computer whose keyboard driver isn't working; at > an Internet café; wh

Re: Mapping

2002-02-13 Thread Tony Kennick
On Wed, 13 Feb 2002 17:12:28 + (GMT) Mark Fowler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The pm map is done by Leon Brocard. He's a the German Perl Workshop atm, > (so will probably occasionally check his email, but not nearly as often as > normally) so I'm not sure how quickly he can get back to yo

Re: User Input at speed

2002-02-13 Thread Roger Burton West
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 04:55:30PM +, Steve Mynott wrote: >It was a Sinclair QL on steroids and was used in the 1980s by BT a bit >(rebadged as a Merlin?) Yup. Not an especially grunty machine even for the time, but it did have that one fundamental good idea which has been ignored since. R

Re: Mapping

2002-02-13 Thread Mark Fowler
On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Tony Kennick wrote: > > I am trying to put together a map, similar to the pm map but > with some differences. > I have (or will have) two lists of postcodes from throughout the > British Isles. WHat I would like to do is plot them on a map to >

Re: User Input at speed

2002-02-13 Thread Newton, Philip
alex wrote: > b) all the same, it takes considerable time+effort to switch > from QWERTY to dvorak. Especially since you *will* have to remain familiar with QWERTY as you will have to use keyboards that are not your own at some point (typing on a co-worker's machine; on a computer whose keyboard

Re: User Input at speed

2002-02-13 Thread Rob Partington
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mike Jarvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > We all know that the QWERTY keyboard was designed to slow us down > I could swear I read somewhere that this was a UL, but I can't find a > reference. http://home.earthlink.net/~dcrehr/whyqwert.html http://www.mit.edu:800

Re: Youth hostel for YAPC::Europe?

2002-02-13 Thread Kåre Olai Lindbach
On Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:35:57 +0100, you ("Newton, Philip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote: >For those who want a cheaper option, >http://www.djh.de/jugendherbergen/muenchenneuhausen/ (in German) is a youth >hostel which is located not too far from the conference: three stops by tube >Have to be <= 26

Re: User Input at speed

2002-02-13 Thread Steve Mynott
Roger Burton West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Anyone remember the ICL OPD? It solved these problems perfectly: instead > of having big speakers and a stalk microphone, it came with a phone > handset (which one could also use as a real phone, of course). Suddenly > you could actually _use_ sound

Re: User Input at speed

2002-02-13 Thread Andy Wardley
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 04:16:31PM +, Roger Burton West wrote: > On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 02:40:17PM +, Chris Ball wrote: > >Speech interfaces are a little > >broken when you're either in a situation with lots of background noise > >or want to do something without everyone around you knowin

Mapping

2002-02-13 Thread Tony Kennick
Hi I am trying to put together a map, similar to the pm map but with some differences. I have (or will have) two lists of postcodes from throughout the British Isles. WHat I would like to do is plot them on a map to show the difference in coverage. I have

Re: User Input at speed

2002-02-13 Thread alex
this subject it is a strange meme zoo. there's the meme that says QWERTY keyboards are designed to slow down the typists to stop them from breaking mechanical typewriters. a different flavour is that QWERTY keyboards are designed around more general limitations of a mechanical typewriter. this

Re: User Input at speed

2002-02-13 Thread Andy Wardley
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 02:04:21PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Agenda Microwriter - alas no longer made but used a chording keyboard > with a key resting under each finger of the right hand. You can get the CyKey keyboard by itself these days: http://www.bellaire.demon.co.uk/newcykey.h

Re: User Input at speed

2002-02-13 Thread Roger Burton West
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 02:40:17PM +, Chris Ball wrote: >Speech interfaces are a little >broken when you're either in a situation with lots of background noise >or want to do something without everyone around you knowing what it is. Anyone remember the ICL OPD? It solved these problems perfec

Re: CPAN installing

2002-02-13 Thread Mark Fowler
On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, Mark Fowler wrote: > local $CPAN::Config->{make_args} = >(exists $args{makepl_args}) ? $args{makepl_args} : > $CPAN::Config->{makepl_args}; > local $CPAN::Config->{make_install_args} = >(exists $args{makepl_args}) ? $args{m

Re: User Input at speed

2002-02-13 Thread Andy Wardley
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 01:54:58PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > We all know that the QWERTY keyboard was designed to slow us down. That's a myth. QWERTY was designed to speed us up by moving the typebars for common letter sequences (e.g. TH) to different ends of the spread so that they ja

Re: User Input at speed

2002-02-13 Thread Simon Wilcox
On 13 Feb 2002, Mike Jarvis wrote: > On Wed, 2002-02-13 at 08:54, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > We all know that the QWERTY keyboard was designed to slow us down > > I could swear I read somewhere that this was a UL, but I can't find a > reference. I always believed it to be true but maybe not.

Re: User Input at speed

2002-02-13 Thread Mike Jarvis
On Wed, 2002-02-13 at 08:54, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I've been sitting here watching random TV and watching with vauge facination > a stenographer at work. A stenographer transcribes word for word the > proceedings of courts, meetings etc... > > Made me wonder - what is the fastest method of

Re: User Input at speed

2002-02-13 Thread Steve Keay
On Wed, Feb 13, 2002 at 02:04:21PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Agenda Microwriter - alas no longer made but used a chording keyboard > with a key resting under each finger of the right hand. > > I could get very close to real time 'speech' input in about three weeks > but stopped using it

Re: User Input at speed

2002-02-13 Thread nemesis
Chris Devers wrote: > As for truly faster, speech-speed input -- how about a microphone? Try visiting http://slashdot.org with voice recognition :-) -- *claw claw* *fang* *shred* *rip* *ad hominem* *slash* (more attacks will require consultancy fees.) -Nix.

Re: User Input at speed

2002-02-13 Thread Chris Ball
> "David" == David Neal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: David> Agenda Microwriter - alas no longer made but used a chording David> keyboard with a key resting under each finger of the right David> hand. I had one of those! The only words I remember how to chord are 'ill' and 'jam',

Re: User Input at speed

2002-02-13 Thread Chris Devers
On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, nemesis wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Made me wonder - what is the fastest method of user input into a > > computer. > > > > We all know that the QWERTY keyboard was designed to slow us down. > > So, anyone know any good mechanisms which are designed to speed us

CPAN installing

2002-02-13 Thread Mark Fowler
I'm trying to install modules from CPAN in an automated fashion. That is to say, I'm tyring to download stuff and have it install from a script. I'm wondering if anyone has any general advice. Currently I'm having problems with perl core dumping, and I wondered if it's caused by me doing any

Re: User Input at speed

2002-02-13 Thread nemesis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Vaugly off topic... not for this list :-) > Made me wonder - what is the fastest method of user input into a computer. > > We all know that the QWERTY keyboard was designed to slow us down. So, > anyone know any good mechanisms which are designed to speed us up? I t

RE: User Input at speed

2002-02-13 Thread David . Neal
Agenda Microwriter - alas no longer made but used a chording keyboard with a key resting under each finger of the right hand. I could get very close to real time 'speech' input in about three weeks but stopped using it after that. Still have, fully boxed, manuals, lovely bit of kit. Dave >

User Input at speed

2002-02-13 Thread mass
Vaugly off topic... I've been sitting here watching random TV and watching with vauge facination a stenographer at work. A stenographer transcribes word for word the proceedings of courts, meetings etc... Made me wonder - what is the fastest method of user input into a computer. We all know th

[ANNOUNCE] Emergency Social Meeting Today [Wed 23rd Feb '02]

2002-02-13 Thread Mark Fowler
When? Well, today! Whenever, but I'll be there from 6.30pm ish Where? The Malbrough Head, Oxford Circus way http://grault.net/cgi-bin/grubstreet.pl?Marlborough_Head,_W1Y_1WD Reason? Mr Simon Cozens is in town. Who? Him that does too much. lathos. http://use.perl.org/~simon

[ANNOUNCE] Emergency meeting and use of announce

2002-02-13 Thread Paul Mison
There's an emergency meeting tonight because Simon Cozens is in town and he wants some booze, which is all the reson we need, really. It's at the Marlborough Head, nearish Marble Arch, starting at, ooh, about 6.30, I think. Those lovely grubstreet people have a page for it on their wiki: http://w

Re: Emergency Social Meeting Wednesday next

2002-02-13 Thread Richard Clamp
On Tue, Feb 12, 2002 at 05:49:55PM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote: > Is this Wed as in Feb 20th? Hope so, my American adventure Part I > will've ended & I'll be back in the UK then (since this Friday)... I'm afraid to say no, it's today, the 13th. The first post in this thread happened last Tuesday