Re: WWW::Map::UK::Streetmap - A tale of woe

2003-02-11 Thread Dirk Koopman
On Mon, 2003-02-10 at 20:16, Paul Makepeace wrote: On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 10:42:57AM +, Andy Wardley wrote: I'm a little surprised by that. Although I must admit that I've never written IIS extensions in C++, I'm surprised that it offers significantly better performance than a

Re: Language optimality (was WWW::Map::UK::Streetmap)

2003-02-11 Thread Dirk Koopman
On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 00:02, Shevek wrote: On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Paul Makepeace wrote: On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 10:42:57AM +, Andy Wardley wrote: I'm a little surprised by that. Although I must admit that I've never written IIS extensions in C++, I'm surprised that it offers

Re: Language optimality (was WWW::Map::UK::Streetmap)

2003-02-11 Thread Shevek
On 11 Feb 2003, Dirk Koopman wrote: On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 00:02, Shevek wrote: AICI, the current Perl interpreter is written traditionally whereas the Parrot assembler interpreter is written to allow direct threaded interpretation. This should reduce the bytecode overhead, but doesn't

REVIEW: Network Intrusion Detection (Third Edition)

2003-02-11 Thread Neil Fryer
Title: Network Intrusion Detection (Third Edition) Authors:Stephen Notthcutt Judy Novak ISBN: 0-7357-1265-4 Publisher: New Riders Firstly let me state that this is undoubtedly one of the greatest books on TCP/IP and Intrusion Detection that I have ever read, although

Re: REGEXP Hell

2003-02-11 Thread Mark Fowler
Shevek wrote: I won't recommend a date module, other people will. Look on CPAN at search.cpan.org. Search for Date. Or Time. Goodness, I can't wait for DateTime to be sorted out :-). Date::Parse is really friendly and will automatically parse most dates the way you want to without any effort

Re: WWW::Map::UK::Streetmap - A tale of woe

2003-02-11 Thread Ben
On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 08:16:53PM +, Paul Makepeace wrote: Programmer cluefulness being equal, when did interpreted, profiled languages start even slightly approaching the speed of compiled, profiled languages like C(++)? So, in short, if we assume some things which aren't true, then we

Re: Language optimality (was WWW::Map::UK::Streetmap)

2003-02-11 Thread Simon Wilcox
On 11 Feb 2003, Dirk Koopman wrote: Yes, maybe, but show me one of these systems that _consistantly_ produces faster code than someone who is talented. I willingly agree that the code is physically produced faster - but it don't go as well. And this is the nub of it. Basically there aren't

Re: Language optimality (was WWW::Map::UK::Streetmap)

2003-02-11 Thread Dirk Koopman
On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 11:42, Tim Sweetman wrote: Simon Wilcox wrote: Fantastic, I'll take that. It will also be cheaper, so I get my product to market quicker *and* I make a bigger margin on it. Cool. Sorry, I'm a painter and decorator, not Michelangelo. If you want elegance, go to a

Re: WWW::Map::UK::Streetmap - A tale of woe

2003-02-11 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 11:10:44AM +, Ben wrote: On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 08:16:53PM +, Paul Makepeace wrote: Programmer cluefulness being equal, when did interpreted, profiled languages start even slightly approaching the speed of compiled, profiled languages like C(++)? So,

Re: Language optimality (was WWW::Map::UK::Streetmap)

2003-02-11 Thread Dirk Koopman
On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 10:54, Shevek wrote: On 11 Feb 2003, Dirk Koopman wrote: On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 00:02, Shevek wrote: AICI, the current Perl interpreter is written traditionally whereas the Parrot assembler interpreter is written to allow direct threaded interpretation.

cheap-ass SSL certs

2003-02-11 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
What's the cheapest way of doing a reasonably pukka SSL site cert? -- Dave Hodgkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Pre-Requisites (little) hell [Was: Re: REGEXP Hell]

2003-02-11 Thread Luis Campos de Carvalho
Thank you both very much, Mr. Fowler and Mr. Shevek. The use of a third-party module raises a new problem: there is any way to automate the installation of pre-requisite libraries on a system? I wanna end up with a script that the operator just runs before publishing the new scripts on the

Re: cheap-ass SSL certs

2003-02-11 Thread nemesis
Dave Hodgkinson wrote: What's the cheapest way of doing a reasonably pukka SSL site cert? I have had success with Thawte[0] in the past. If you need to get them on the phone it is pretty easy. Unfortunatly they are owned by Verisign I think. Will. [0] http://www.thawte.com/

Re: cheap-ass SSL certs

2003-02-11 Thread Lusercop
On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 11:52:50AM +, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: What's the cheapest way of doing a reasonably pukka SSL site cert? Do you know any friendly OpenSRS registrars? http://resellers.tucows.com/opensrs/certificates/ -- Lusercop.net - LARTing Lusers everywhere since 2002

Re: cheap-ass SSL certs

2003-02-11 Thread Lusercop
On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 11:59:16AM +, nemesis wrote: Dave Hodgkinson wrote: What's the cheapest way of doing a reasonably pukka SSL site cert? I have had success with Thawte[0] in the past. If you need to get them on the phone it is pretty easy. Unfortunatly they are owned by Verisign I

Re: cheap-ass SSL certs

2003-02-11 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 11:52:50AM +, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: What's the cheapest way of doing a reasonably pukka SSL site cert? http://www.instantssl.com/ P -- Paul Makepeace ... http://paulm.com/ If you ever go temporarily insane, then carefully

Re: cheap-ass SSL certs

2003-02-11 Thread Nigel Hamilton
What's the cheapest way of doing a reasonably pukka SSL site cert? maybe try - http://geotrust.com ? -- Nigel Hamilton Turbo10 Metasearch Engine email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel:+44 (0) 207 987 5460 fax:+44 (0) 207 987 5468

Re: cheap-ass SSL certs

2003-02-11 Thread Dave Hodgkinson
On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 12:04, Lusercop wrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 11:52:50AM +, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: What's the cheapest way of doing a reasonably pukka SSL site cert? Do you know any friendly OpenSRS registrars? http://resellers.tucows.com/opensrs/certificates/ I don't know. Do

Re: Pre-Requisites (little) hell [Was: Re: REGEXP Hell]

2003-02-11 Thread Mark Fowler
On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Luis Campos de Carvalho wrote: The use of a third-party module raises a new problem: there is any way to automate the installation of pre-requisite libraries on a system? CPANPLUS is what you want. http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2002/03/26/cpanplus.html The bit you want

Re: plumbers

2003-02-11 Thread Ben
On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 11:49:25AM +, Dirk Koopman wrote: And just maybe I might retrain as one seeing some of the salaries / fees plumbers are getting these days... To say nothing of all the kinky sex. Ben

Re: cheap-ass SSL certs

2003-02-11 Thread robin szemeti
On Tuesday 11 February 2003 11:52, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: What's the cheapest way of doing a reasonably pukka SSL site cert? we just renewed with Thawte as they seem to be not too expensive, and it works on almost everything. There are much cheaper options (right down to 50 quid .. maybe less)

Re: plumbers

2003-02-11 Thread Dirk Koopman
On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 12:28, Ben wrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 11:49:25AM +, Dirk Koopman wrote: And just maybe I might retrain as one seeing some of the salaries / fees plumbers are getting these days... To say nothing of all the kinky sex. Oo... Really? I missed that bit. Are

Re: Language Gentlemen and Ladies

2003-02-11 Thread Dirk Koopman
On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 12:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry to delurk for such a trivial matter but could the people from Scunthorpe or those working for Microsoft please move, I keep getting This message has been impounded for improper language content message from my network nazis and they're

Re: cheap-ass SSL certs

2003-02-11 Thread Lusercop
On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 12:18:31PM +, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 12:04, Lusercop wrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 11:52:50AM +, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: What's the cheapest way of doing a reasonably pukka SSL site cert? Do you know any friendly OpenSRS registrars?

Re: plumbers

2003-02-11 Thread Simon Wilcox
On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 12:35, Dirk Koopman wrote: On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 12:28, Ben wrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 11:49:25AM +, Dirk Koopman wrote: And just maybe I might retrain as one seeing some of the salaries / fees plumbers are getting these days... To say nothing of all

Re: Language Gentlemen and Ladies

2003-02-11 Thread Simon Wilcox
Lawyers - never use one word when ten will suffice. On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 12:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The

Re: Language optimality (was WWW::Map::UK::Streetmap)

2003-02-11 Thread David Cantrell
I suggest people read this paper by Brother Kernighan: http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/bwk/interps/pap.html (IIRC there's something similar in The Practice of Programming too) Which shows that for certain tasks, perl is as fast as *or faster than* C. Although it does use rather old

Re: Language Gentlemen and Ladies

2003-02-11 Thread Mark Fowler
On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry to delurk Hello. for such a trivial matter but could the people from Scunthorpe or those working for Microsoft please move, I keep getting This message has been impounded for improper language content message from my network nazis and

perl website on CD

2003-02-11 Thread Alex McLintock
Hi folks, I'm wondering about how to put a perl based website on a CD Rom This seems to be worth researching http://www.indigostar.com/microweb.htm MicroWeb allows you to create a working web site on a CD-ROM. Using a web browser, a user can run CGI programs as well as view html files on the

Re: WWW::Map::UK::Streetmap - A tale of woe

2003-02-11 Thread Andy Wardley
Andy Wardley wrote: I'm a little surprised by that. Although I must admit that I've never written IIS extensions in C++, I'm surprised that it offers significantly better performance than a mod_perl solution. Paul Makepeace wrote: Programmer cluefulness being equal, when did interpreted,

Re: Language Gentlemen and Ladies

2003-02-11 Thread the hatter
On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Mark Fowler wrote: May I suggest if your email account has arbitrary restrictions on the content it accepts that you find a replacement account to subscribe from? I beleive that for appropriate donations, you can even get an account on a machine very closely located to the

Re: Language Gentlemen and Ladies

2003-02-11 Thread Newton, Philip
the hatter wrote: I beleive that for appropriate donations, you can even get an account on a machine very closely located to the list itself. Though this is of limited usefulness in several corporate environments that limit connections to useful ports such as 22, 23, or 110. As in our lovely

Re: Language Gentlemen and Ladies

2003-02-11 Thread robin szemeti
On Tuesday 11 February 2003 12:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS sorry for the disclaimer below ( apparently we've won awards for it ). Visit our website at http://www.ubswarburg.com This message contains SNIPP umm is there some particular reason that whoever is responsible for adding

Re: perl website on CD

2003-02-11 Thread nemesis
Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Alex == Alex McLintock [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alex And best of all - if you don't need MySQL then it is free. (Apparently Alex you can't distribute MySQL as part of a commercial product.without Alex paying for a license) First, I don't think that's true any

Re: perl website on CD

2003-02-11 Thread Ben
On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 03:04:29PM +, nemesis wrote: Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Second, why anyone still uses MySQL on a new installation now that PostgreSQL has surpassed it and gone on to being a baby Oracle, while MySQL plays catch up, I can't figure out. I heard/read somewhere

RE: Language Gentlemen and Ladies

2003-02-11 Thread David . Neal
cuts umm is there some particular reason that whoever is responsible for adding that massage couldn't see fit to add a proper content seperator (/^--\s\n/) as defined in the RFC's ?? cuts Massage seperator ? is that like when the Old Bill raid the joint then ? Here comes that disclaimer

Re: perl website on CD

2003-02-11 Thread Jonathan Peterson
Given the lack of speed difference, PG is infinitely preferable to My, at least in my little world. That's what I thought, so I set about installing Pg the other day. Four hours later I'd changed by mind :-(. Maybe I'm just getting old but I find installing large software packages gets

Re: Language Gentlemen and Ladies

2003-02-11 Thread Lusercop
On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 02:44:24PM +, robin szemeti wrote: umm is there some particular reason that whoever is responsible for adding that massage couldn't see fit to add a proper content seperator (/^--\s\n/) as defined in the RFC's ?? Which RFC is the -- (not /^--\s/) defined in? I

Re: Language Gentlemen and Ladies

2003-02-11 Thread Shevek
On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Newton, Philip wrote: the hatter wrote: I beleive that for appropriate donations, you can even get an account on a machine very closely located to the list itself. Though this is of limited usefulness in several corporate environments that limit connections to

transcoding accented characters

2003-02-11 Thread Simon Wistow
I think I'm having a brain fart but I'm sure there was a module that took a string with accented characters and turned them into the equivalent ASCII (or close enough egrave; to 'e' for example. I'm not all that fussed about an EssSet to 'ss' or anything although that would be nice. AM I smoking

Re: Language Gentlemen and Ladies

2003-02-11 Thread robin szemeti
On Tuesday 11 February 2003 15:30, Lusercop wrote: On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 02:44:24PM +, robin szemeti wrote: umm is there some particular reason that whoever is responsible for adding that massage couldn't see fit to add a proper content seperator (/^--\s\n/) as defined in the RFC's ??

Re: transcoding accented characters

2003-02-11 Thread Robin Berjon
Simon Wistow wrote: I think I'm having a brain fart but I'm sure there was a module that took a string with accented characters and turned them into the equivalent ASCII (or close enough egrave; to 'e' for example. I'm not all that fussed about an EssSet to 'ss' or anything although that would be

Re: transcoding accented characters

2003-02-11 Thread Robin Berjon
Simon Wistow wrote: I think I'm having a brain fart but I'm sure there was a module that took a string with accented characters and turned them into the equivalent ASCII (or close enough egrave; to 'e' for example. I'm not all that fussed about an EssSet to 'ss' or anything although that would be

Re: Language Gentlemen and Ladies

2003-02-11 Thread Newton, Philip
Shevek wrote: On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Newton, Philip wrote: As in our lovely firewall which doesn't allow *any* outside access except by proxy (which basically reduces it to HTTP and HTTPS). Can you cheat via an https proxy? Well, since you can't proxy HTTPS, you can, kind of -- once

Re: Language Gentlemen and Ladies

2003-02-11 Thread Newton, Philip
robin szemeti wrote: On Tuesday 11 February 2003 15:30, Lusercop wrote: Which RFC is the -- (not /^--\s/) defined in? to be precise, it is defined as \n-- \n I always thought it was a USEFOR thing, and therefore not on the standards track. I suppose it could be in the Nettiquette

Re: perl website on CD

2003-02-11 Thread Tim Sweetman
Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Peter == Peter Pimley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Peter ... he says, writing on his QWERTY keyboard http://www.independent.org/tii/news/liebowitz_economist.html (Precis: the fable of the QWERTY keyboard - that it was designed to slow typists DOWN, and yet has

Re: transcoding accented characters

2003-02-11 Thread Newton, Philip
Simon Wistow wrote: I think I'm having a brain fart but I'm sure there was a module that took a string with accented characters and turned them into the equivalent ASCII (or close enough egrave; to 'e' for example. I'm not all that fussed about an EssSet to 'ss' or anything although that

Re: perl website on CD

2003-02-11 Thread Dirk Koopman
On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 17:04, Tim Sweetman wrote: Randal L. Schwartz wrote: Peter == Peter Pimley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Peter ... he says, writing on his QWERTY keyboard http://www.independent.org/tii/news/liebowitz_economist.html (Precis: the fable of the QWERTY keyboard -

Re: Perl / UTF-8 (Was Re: WWW::Map::UK::Streetmap - A tale of woe)

2003-02-11 Thread Roger Horne
On Tue 11 Feb, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Hrm, perl doesn't use UTF-8 for it's internal representation of strings ? I may be misremembering things somewhat. The cloudy things I remember are that the version of perl shipped with RH8 uses a slightly geb0rken 16 bit implementation (who is the guy

Re: Perl / UTF-8 (Was Re: WWW::Map::UK::Streetmap - A tale of woe)

2003-02-11 Thread Dirk Koopman
On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 16:50, Roger Horne wrote: On Tue 11 Feb, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Hrm, perl doesn't use UTF-8 for it's internal representation of strings ? I may be misremembering things somewhat. The cloudy things I remember are that the version of perl shipped with RH8 uses a

Re: perl website on CD

2003-02-11 Thread Paul Makepeace
On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 08:11:31AM -0800, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: http://www.independent.org/tii/news/liebowitz_economist.html I personally know several Dvorak typists and they're all without fail blindingly fast typists (90wpm) and crucially their accuracy is good. I can push around 75wpm if

Re: Language Gentlemen and Ladies

2003-02-11 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 04:10:20PM +, Shevek wrote: On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Newton, Philip wrote: As in our lovely firewall which doesn't allow *any* outside access except by proxy (which basically reduces it to HTTP and HTTPS). Can you cheat via an https proxy? https proxy? yay for

Re: perl website on CD

2003-02-11 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
Ben == Ben [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ben It used to be. MySQL was so fast historically, because it wasn't Ben really a database (Real Programmers Don't Need Referential Ben Integrity and all that nonsense) but rather an SQL interface to a Ben flat file. When the MySQL people started to realise

Re: Perl / UTF-8 (Was Re: WWW::Map::UK::Streetmap - A tale of woe)

2003-02-11 Thread Sean McGlynn
On Tuesday 11 February 2003 17:54, Dirk Koopman wrote: On Tue, 2003-02-11 at 16:50, Roger Horne wrote: On Tue 11 Feb, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Hrm, perl doesn't use UTF-8 for it's internal representation of strings ? I may be misremembering things somewhat. The cloudy things I

Re: perl website on CD

2003-02-11 Thread Chris Devers
yOn Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Paul Makepeace wrote: I personally know several Dvorak typists and they're all without fail blindingly fast typists (90wpm) and crucially their accuracy is good. Donald Norman's _Psychology of Everyday Things_ has a section on the whole tired qwerty / dvorak debate,

Re: Perl / UTF-8 (Was Re: WWW::Map::UK::Streetmap - A tale of woe)

2003-02-11 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 05:54:14PM +, Dirk Koopman wrote: Methinks there is much smelly fish in Perl 5.8.0 UTF implementation and Well, UTF8 is a variable length encoding, so many O(1) things become O(N) I think that's most of the smelly fish. also in RH8.0's internationalisation stuff /

Re: Language Gentlemen and Ladies

2003-02-11 Thread Joel Bernstein
On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 03:15:57PM -, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cuts umm is there some particular reason that whoever is responsible for adding that massage couldn't see fit to add a proper content seperator (/^--\s\n/) as defined in the RFC's ?? cuts Massage seperator ? is that

sshd on port 443

2003-02-11 Thread Andrew Beattie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] write: However, it only allows CONNECT to a remote port of 443. (Which is why I'm looking for someone nice who'll run an sshd on port 443 that he'll let me use. I happen to know of a machine that has a whole IP address kept free just so that we can put sshd on any port we

Re: Perl / UTF-8 (Was Re: WWW::Map::UK::Streetmap - A tale of woe)

2003-02-11 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 08:56:01PM +, Nicholas Clark wrote: Given the feedback on suggestions about perl debugger tutorials, I don't think many perl *users* use the debugger, so to me that explains why no-one in the world noticed it sooner. To most perl users, the debugger is not

Re: Language Gentlemen and Ladies

2003-02-11 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 08:28:14PM +, the hatter wrote: They might allow other 'common' web ports, such as 8000 and 8080 on other servers, maybe give that a go. If they do, you can run your own sshd on any machine you happen to have non-root access. If they allow packets straight out to

Re: sshd on port 443

2003-02-11 Thread Peter Sergeant
On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 10:14:42PM -, Andrew Beattie wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] write: However, it only allows CONNECT to a remote port of 443. (Which is why I'm looking for someone nice who'll run an sshd on port 443 that he'll let me use. I don't recall seeing the parent message to

Re: perl website on CD

2003-02-11 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
Peter == Peter Pimley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Peter ... he says, writing on his QWERTY keyboard http://www.independent.org/tii/news/liebowitz_economist.html Peter looking at his CRT monitor Nope, haven't owned a CRT in 5 years or so Peter connected to a CISC machine (I'm guessing here)