Re: Does Perl has a code hider

2009-09-17 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:47:29PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: Uri Guttman wrote: brian d foy autoposts FAQ entries to comp.lang.perl.misc and they get read and feedback is given to some of them. bdf has updated them as he can when good stuff is posted about an entry. yes, many FAQs are

Re: Does Perl has a code hider

2009-09-17 Thread Kieren Diment
On 17/09/2009, at 3:22 AM, abhishek jain wrote: Hi, Do perl have a kind of code encoder which hides the readable Perl code by encoding like we have in PHP. I am working on a project and i dont want to give the editing / viewing rights to the user, also a right to expire the code after

Re: Does Perl has a code hider

2009-09-17 Thread Denny
On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 19:26 -0400, Uri Guttman wrote: well that begs the question. i can easily cron this to whatever schedule people think is fine. the issue with once a week is that it will take a long time (2+ years!) to cycle through the faqs. maybe 3 times a week would work if that is ok

Re: Does Perl has a code hider

2009-09-17 Thread Dirk Koopman
Nicholas Clark wrote: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:47:29PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: Uri Guttman wrote: brian d foy autoposts FAQ entries to comp.lang.perl.misc and they get read and feedback is given to some of them. bdf has updated them as he can when good stuff is posted about an entry.

Re: Does Perl has a code hider

2009-09-17 Thread Joel Bernstein
2009/9/17 Dirk Koopman d...@tobit.co.uk: So that then suggests that we need another list for any actual perl (code) related discussion? I believe that is already considered off-topic on this list. Beer is on-topic. Especially on a Thursday. /joel

Re: Does Perl has a code hider

2009-09-17 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 09:31:06AM +0100, Dirk Koopman wrote: Nicholas Clark wrote: On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:47:29PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: Uri Guttman wrote: brian d foy autoposts FAQ entries to comp.lang.perl.misc and they get read and feedback is given to some of them. bdf has

Re: Does Perl has a code hider

2009-09-17 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 06:10:12PM +1000, Kieren Diment wrote: I came across a codebase the other day where they just obsufucated the variable names - probably with truncted MD5 checksums or something. Certainly made it it a pain in the arse to read :), but nothing a determined

Charity Hack '09

2009-09-17 Thread Dave Cross
Those nice people at Gumtree[1] are really getting into the idea of hackdays. Some of you may have already been to TwitterCamp and UXCamp this year. Well, they're doing another on this weekend (19/20 September). Charity Hack '09 is this coming weekend. It's centred around finding ways to

Re: Does Perl has a code hider

2009-09-17 Thread Philip Newton
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 20:17, Uri Guttman u...@stemsystems.com wrote: brian d foy autoposts FAQ entries to comp.lang.perl.misc and they get read and feedback is given to some of them. bdf has updated them as he can when good stuff is posted about an entry. They're also maintained on github,

Re: Does Perl has a code hider

2009-09-17 Thread Robin Berjon
On Sep 17, 2009, at 00:47 , David Cantrell wrote: Uri Guttman wrote: brian d foy autoposts FAQ entries to comp.lang.perl.misc and they get read and feedback is given to some of them. bdf has updated them as he can when good stuff is posted about an entry. yes, many FAQs are sadly dated but

Re: Does Perl has a code hider

2009-09-17 Thread Martin Robertson
2009/9/17 Robin Berjon ro...@berjon.com: On Sep 17, 2009, at 00:47 , David Cantrell wrote: Uri Guttman wrote: brian d foy autoposts FAQ entries to comp.lang.perl.misc and they get read and feedback is given to some of them. bdf has updated them as he can when good stuff is posted about an

Re: Does Perl has a code hider

2009-09-17 Thread Joel Bernstein
2009/9/17 Robin Berjon ro...@berjon.com: It could be FAQ Friday. I like that. Fridays can FAQ off. /joel

[OT [OT]] - assering database query results

2009-09-17 Thread Nicholas Clark
Off topicly off topic, as it's not even about that 4 letter P word. So, we have quite a lot of our database queries in config files, with placeholders, etc Some of them are only supposed to return 1 row. However, if our assumptions are wrong, they might return multiple rows. This isn't a fatal

Re: [OT [OT]] - assering database query results

2009-09-17 Thread Ian Knopke
Hi Nicholas, Would something like this work? my $query='select * from table'; $query .= ' limit 1' if $stilltesting; Ian On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org wrote: Off topicly off topic, as it's not even about that 4 letter P word. So, we have quite a lot of our

London Perl Workshop 2009

2009-09-17 Thread Mark Keating
Dear All, It is with great pleasure, and with some tardiness and lack of expedience, that I announce the London Perl Workshop to be held on Saturday 5^th December at the University of Westminster's New Cavendish Campus.[1] The theme for this year is Beginning Perl, which can be taken as

Re: Charity Hack '09

2009-09-17 Thread Andrew Black
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:14:52AM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: I'm not going to be able to go, but it would be good to have some Perl hackers involved. I would be moderately interested but am a bit busy. Is anyone else going - wd feel more confortable if people I knew were there. I could prob

Skype

2009-09-17 Thread Andrew Black
I am having a debate about Skype at $work. I have a gut feeling that I don't like it. Tried to read the TC and got very confused. Wool eyes over pulling comes to mind. What are other peoples views on it. Andrew

Re: [OT [OT]] - assering database query results

2009-09-17 Thread Joel Bernstein
2009/9/17 Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org: Off topicly off topic, as it's not even about that 4 letter P word. So, we have quite a lot of our database queries in config files, with placeholders, etc Some of them are only supposed to return 1 row. However, if our assumptions are wrong, they

Re: [OT [OT]] - assering database query results

2009-09-17 Thread Ash Berlin
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:34:56 +0100, Nicholas Clark n...@ccl4.org wrote: Off topicly off topic, as it's not even about that 4 letter P word. So, we have quite a lot of our database queries in config files, with placeholders, etc Some of them are only supposed to return 1 row. However, if

Re: Skype

2009-09-17 Thread Joel Bernstein
2009/9/17 Andrew Black andrew-per...@mail.black1.org.uk: I am having a debate about Skype at $work. I have a gut feeling that I don't like it. Tried to read the TC and got very confused. Wool eyes over pulling comes to mind. What are other peoples views on it. Those would be the TCs at

[ANNOUNCE] London Perl Workshop 2009

2009-09-17 Thread Mark Keating
Dear All, It is with great pleasure, and with some tardiness and lack of expedience, that I announce the London Perl Workshop to be held on Saturday 5th December at the University of Westminster's New Cavendish Campus.[1] The theme for this year is Beginning Perl, which can be taken as Perl

London Perl Workshop - update

2009-09-17 Thread Mark Keating
Just after the last message was sent that enormously excellent chap Sean at New Cavendish campus managed to get confirmation from the Dean. The venue is booked, arms are appropriately twisted, beer is flowing into pipes and the rooms are being secured. Three cheers are in order I think :)

Re: Does Perl has a code hider

2009-09-17 Thread Matt Follett
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Uri Guttman u...@stemsystems.com wrote: DC == David Cantrell da...@cantrell.org.uk writes: DC Uri Guttman wrote: brian d foy autoposts FAQ entries to comp.lang.perl.misc and they get read and feedback is given to some of them. bdf has updated them as

Re: [OT [OT]] - assering database query results

2009-09-17 Thread Bob MacCallum
My initial thought was that SELECT ($your_select) IS NOT NULL; would complain if more than one row is returned. It does, but it also complains when more than one column returned, so probably isn't useful. On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Joel Bernstein j...@fysh.org wrote: 2009/9/17 Nicholas

Re: Skype

2009-09-17 Thread lists
Joel Bernstein wrote: snipped My main objection to Skype (which I do use) is that it doesn't interoperate with users of other VoIP systems. SIP and suchlike provide an open standard which Skype ignore. /joel Seconded.

Re: Charity Hack '09

2009-09-17 Thread Dave Cross
On 17/09/2009 14:24, Andrew Black wrote: What is the idea - can you work on somethign that interests you? Same as any hackday event - hack on anything that you want. Dave...

Re: Skype

2009-09-17 Thread Dirk Koopman
lists wrote: Joel Bernstein wrote: snipped My main objection to Skype (which I do use) is that it doesn't interoperate with users of other VoIP systems. SIP and suchlike provide an open standard which Skype ignore. /joel Seconded. Another objection that one might have (and the Indian

Re: Skype

2009-09-17 Thread Smylers
Joel Bernstein writes: My main objection to Skype (which I do use) is that it doesn't interoperate with users of other VoIP systems. SIP and suchlike provide an open standard which Skype ignore. Mine is that you have to use Skype's software with it, because they don't publish the protocol.

Re: Skype

2009-09-17 Thread Aaron Trevena
2009/9/17 Smylers smyl...@stripey.com: Joel Bernstein writes: My main objection to Skype (which I do use) is that it doesn't interoperate with users of other VoIP systems. SIP and suchlike provide an open standard which Skype ignore. Mine is that you have to use Skype's software with it,

Re: Skype

2009-09-17 Thread Dirk Koopman
Dirk Koopman wrote: lists wrote: Joel Bernstein wrote: snipped My main objection to Skype (which I do use) is that it doesn't interoperate with users of other VoIP systems. SIP and suchlike provide an open standard which Skype ignore. /joel Seconded. Another objection that one might have

Re: Skype

2009-09-17 Thread Mike Woods
Seconded. I'll third that for a first post :D Though I do rather prefer iax though it's never managed to attain the popularity of sip, which is a shame. Skype has always made me nervous, it has all the making of a service that might one day change it's pricing model, probably right

Re: Skype

2009-09-17 Thread Bob MacCallum
I thought Skype tried to set up a direct end to end UDP connection if possible? Fallback is through some central servers. That's what it says when you display the technical info. I am not a network expert though (don't know what UDP is for example!) On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Dirk Koopman

Re: Skype

2009-09-17 Thread Steff Davies
Bob MacCallum wrote: I thought Skype tried to set up a direct end to end UDP connection if possible? Fallback is through some central servers. That's what it says when you display the technical info. I am not a network expert though (don't know what UDP is for example!) Having used Skype

Re: Skype

2009-09-17 Thread Dominic Thoreau
2009/9/17 Bob MacCallum uncool...@gmail.com: I thought Skype tried to set up a direct end to end UDP connection if possible?  Fallback is through some central servers. That's what it says when you display the technical info.  I am not a network expert though (don't know what UDP is for

Re: Skype

2009-09-17 Thread Ian Malpass
Andrew Black wrote: I am having a debate about Skype at $work. I have a gut feeling that I don't like it. Tried to read the TC and got very confused. Wool eyes over pulling comes to mind. What are other peoples views on it. I use it because its video services work better than Yahoo!

Re: Does Perl has a code hider

2009-09-17 Thread Robert Shiels
Nicholas Clark wrote: Auto-posting a FAQ entry for discussion every $interval is in some sense make-work - sort of this list isn't busy enough - let's harness it for another purpose. We don't currently have FAQ discussions on IRC or in real life. Agree, I can't see the point of posting

Re: Does Perl has a code hider

2009-09-17 Thread Jacqui Caren
Robert Shiels wrote: Don't really want my mbox file filling up with them. I dont mind doing reviews and the idea of a FAQ review is a good one but trying to push me will not work. I think the idea would have been shot down if I suggested posting three or more FAQs to here every week. Why not

Re: Skype

2009-09-17 Thread Billy Abbott
Andrew Black wrote: What are other peoples views on it. I'm not that big a fan of it (dodgy client, memories of weirdness when it first started out, it not being allowed at work to the extent of being automatically uninstalled if you install it...) but am about to have a meeting using it.

Re: Skype

2009-09-17 Thread Avleen Vig
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 7:16 AM, Dirk Koopman d...@tobit.co.uk wrote: Another objection that one might have (and the Indian Government certainly have) is that all the traffic is routed through two sets of servers, one located in the US and one in the UK. It means that we can eavesdrop on

Re: Skype

2009-09-17 Thread David Alban
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 6:28 AM, Andrew Black andrew-per...@mail.black1.org.uk wrote: I am having a debate about Skype at $work. I have a gut feeling that I don't like it. Tried to read the TC and got very confused. Wool eyes over pulling comes to mind. What are other peoples views on it.

Re: Skype

2009-09-17 Thread Dirk Koopman
David Alban wrote: but, giving into paranoia, i'm careful not to skype anything i wouldn't want my company and/or ebay to see. just in case They're Watching(TM). If skype is behaving like a standard voip client (i.e. chit-chatting to a central directory server, then setting up an

Re: Skype

2009-09-17 Thread Oliver Gorwits
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dirk Koopman wrote: Another objection that one might have (and the Indian Government certainly have) is that all the traffic is routed through two sets of servers, one located in the US and one in the UK. Interesting... d'you have any reference

Re: Skype

2009-09-17 Thread Paul Makepeace
Talking of sip, does anyone have recommendations for consumer voip services? Ideally I'd like something I can make (direct dial) calls from on my laptop+headset and it'd appear as a e.g. UK mobile. And take calls on that number, perhaps ringing another mobile as well as the laptop. Extra points

Re: Skype

2009-09-17 Thread Denny
On Thu, 2009-09-17 at 19:10 +0100, Paul Makepeace wrote: Talking of sip, does anyone have recommendations for consumer voip services? I'm using sipgate.co.uk, at a friend's recommendation. I only signed up last month and I don't use it heavily, so I can't say much beyond 'it works and it was

Re: Skype

2009-09-17 Thread Chris Carline
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Dirk Koopman d...@tobit.co.uk wrote: However the Indian Government are/were prepared to ban and filter out skype (setup?) traffic unless they could get a backdoor. Make what you want out of that (again El Reg passim). The Indian Government want to ban Skype

Re: Skype

2009-09-17 Thread the hatter
On Thu, 17 Sep 2009, Andrew Black wrote: I am having a debate about Skype at $work. I have a gut feeling that I don't like it. Tried to read the TC and got very confused. Wool eyes over pulling comes to mind. What are other peoples views on it. The TCs don't come off any more scary to me