://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/13/1310/Approach_Tavern/Bethnal_Green
I'm here already. They do have wi-fi. But I'm also told there's a
number of large parties reserving tonight, although most of them at 8pm,
so we might be a little crunched for space.
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Randal == Randal L Schwartz mer...@stonehenge.com writes:
Randal I'm here already. They do have wi-fi. But I'm also told there's a
Randal number of large parties reserving tonight, although most of them at 8pm,
Randal so we might be a little crunched for space.
The manager is letting me claim
Does this still seem like the best spot?
Approach Tavern
http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/13/1310/Approach_Tavern/Bethnal_Green
If so, I'll announce it on today's FLOSS Weekly as well.
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:
http://www.yelp.com/biz/the-camel-london-2
(Such an appropriate name!)
Perhaps meet-up around 7pm. If I figure out they have wifi, I may be
working with Captain Neil from the time they open at noon.
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of these places talk about wifi? Ugh.
But yeah, the Approach looks fine. I'm now up for either... I'll leave
it to the locals to select.
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... insane.
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version binary based upon environment variables.
Yeah, but lib is for ... libraries. Not bins.
Also, picking bins based on env is about as silly as writing
#!/usr/bin/env perl. *My* env is not necessarily *yours*. Put the
right path there, please.
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Toby == Toby Wintermute t...@wintrmute.net writes:
Toby *throws hands in air* I'm not trying to defend the concept! you'd have
Toby to ask the Debian developers what they were thinking.
Part of why I steer far clear from Linux. Why use a pretend Unix when
you can use a real one?
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Randal Shall we aim to begin around 6pm, and people can wander in as needed?
Randal Or does someone have a better idea of where to meet nearby?
And is this mic on? Or am I drinking by myself? :(
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FLOSS Weekly as well.
I know at least Dan Lynch (of Linux Outlaws fame as well as a regular
co-host) is likely to come down, and maybe Simon Phipps if he's in town.
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, but
all the more reason to drink until I pass out. :)
Shall we aim to begin around 6pm, and people can wander in as needed?
Or does someone have a better idea of where to meet nearby?
The place looks to be only a few blocks from the High Street Kensington
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of your question,
most people here will just continue to ignore you.
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Still trying to think of something
, back when Neil would actually ask attendees
what they wanted to see. Now, it's entirely handcrafted.
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Thanks again for everyone who showed up last time, and taught me the
proper way to drink JSON... err.. Jameson.
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David == David Cantrell da...@cantrell.org.uk writes:
David OK. Here, 6:30-ish onwards. I'll book the upstairs room.
David http://london.randomness.org.uk/wiki.cgi?Horse_And_Groom,_SW1X_7BA
Ahh, good, almost walking distance.
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I'll be in town at the Crowne Plaza London - St. James for the evening
(after having done Yet Another InSightCruise). If anyone would like to
join me in an emergency social meeting, I'd be up for it.
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Mallory == Mallory van Achterberg stommep...@stommepoes.nl writes:
Mallory (so you'll see lots of people do
Mallory var $(this) = $this
Mallory which looks weird until you know why).
And backwards. I'm sure you meant:
var $this = $(this);
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Dave == Dave Cross d...@dave.org.uk writes:
Dave Does anyone pay for Perl articles these days? :-)
I got paid for one a few years back.
Nothing like the heyday of the 255 paid articles I wrote during the
dotcom boom.
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return a list, or empty. And your hash will be messed up.
Better written as:
my $hashref = { foo = scalar somefunc(), bar = scalar otherfunc() };
Then you can be assured of a two-element hash.
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and for sharing.
Uri yapc has yet to be properly copied. no one else delivers more bang for the
Uri buck and fun as well.
Uri mjd invented lightning talks and they are at many confs now, not just lang
Uri ones. another perl invention with no credit given.
YAML.
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Andrew inserting No Perl please in their posts! As you might expect,
Andrew that served only to increase the volume of Perl snippet
Andrew responses.
Those were good times. :)
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anyway. It's a red flag of lack of clue if a
Joel prospective employer tries to use this to weed out candidates.
Joel Basically, it's the sort of thing that people who don't know anything
Joel about the subject use to try to pretend they can gauge someone's
Joel knowledge.
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points, have it apply [list of transformations] if requested
David via command line arguments
Parsing HTML with XML::LibXML in
http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/LinuxMag/col49.html would have been a
good starting point for that.
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Dave == Dave Hodgkinson daveh...@gmail.com writes:
Dave Or use a proper parser?
What's the state of Perl6 grammars in Perl5 at the moment?
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Dave == Dave Hodgkinson daveh...@gmail.com writes:
Dave Anyone round the West End fancy parcels of tasty goodness and Lo
Dave Bak Gao tomorrow?
How far west? :)
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there to NOT DO THAT, but I'm not
David sure what the current state of affairs is in this area. Is NMS
David still the way to go? Has it been revised within living memory?
David :-)
It's up to date. Not sure if it needs maintaining for that.
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* of those 14 stages.
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Gianni == Gianni Ceccarelli dak...@thenautilus.net writes:
Gianni my $rx = join '|',map { \Q$_\E } @$strings;
No need for \E if you're already at the end of the string.
And I'd change that to just
quotemeta $_
to make it clearer, and avoid the one layer of copying.
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Kieren == Kieren Diment dim...@gmail.com writes:
Kieren Writing about perl is like dancing about architecture.
I dunno. It's been an enabler for pretty good living for a few of us.
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/php.html. (Click the image for
a desktop version.)
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about Rakudo:
http://twit.tv/floss140
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a package for it now. :(
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/Simple.pm ?
Did that one not work for you?
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Peter == Peter Edwards pe...@dragonstaff.co.uk writes:
Peter http://search.cpan.org/perldoc?TheSchwartz
I always do a doubletake when I see that module mentioned.
I don't dare use it for any of my clients... they'll think I named it
after me. :)
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secrets. Not available in
your area. Darn.
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be perplexed. :)
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about foreach. The loop variable is aliasing,
not copying, so if there are lvalues in the list, they retain their
lvalue-ness:
$_ *= 3 for @somelist;
multiplies each element by 3, for example.
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. Not a Linux user.
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Dave :)
When did sort start returning lvalues? I bet if you did this
on an older Perl, it'd return 0.
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, and when it doesn't, it's all out in the open as to
what's happening.
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now... travellers checks are a thing of the past.
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their testing.
Indeed. Thanks for the followup. I'm still looking for a connection
though. :)
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LSE just went open source, and I suspect someone on this list
is one or two phone calls away from David Lester. I'd like to arrange
an interview for FLOSS Weekly... can anyone here help? Thanks.
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of
the users of their code. Or any blind user. :(
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returned $new_foo,
not $old_foo.
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Dean == Dean Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dean Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
Damn. You made it, too. I also did a similar thing with POE as well,
which might make more sense here...
http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/LinuxMag/col41.html
Dean Is it just me or does anybody else have trouble
http://www.reason.com/0308/cr.vp.why.shtml
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know no other example of this on TV, except McGoohan and the Prisoner.
B5?
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superior, and therefore
the movie superior.
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Peter == Peter Haworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Peter On 22 Aug 2003 06:45:21 -0700, (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote:
On the other hand, if you wanna be able to ask a question on a general
mailing list, the MySQL community is probably ten times the size of
the PostgreSQL community, and more
have been written that
presume MySQL's quirky SQL subset. That'd be the *only* reason in my
mind to go with MySQL over Pg at this point.
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Randal == Randal L Schwartz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Randal MySQL is a fine junior SQL engine. But it really doesn't provide a
Randal way to enforce business rules in the engine - that was not its initial
Randal goal. And when data integrity is important, you want to ensure good
Randal
in
action, I don't think I can deploy anything with a dozen tables or
more without them.
MySQL - fine for people who want a light subset-SQL interface
to structured data
PostgreSQL - Oracle without the price
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system only as good as it resembles Unix in my opinion).
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);
If your db doesn't offer subselects, you've got to create a temp table.
(And people who use MySQL wonder what the value of subselects are! :)
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Alex == Alex Brewer [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Alex I have had a look at your archives and can't see much reference to
Alex this, and wonder if there are any users of the perl in Mac OSX out
Alex there?
They probably number in the thousands, these days. What's your real
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Andy == Andy Wardley [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Andy So who is going to be at OSCON?
oscon.kwiki.org/index.cgi?Attendees
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And then OSCON invited him to be a full attendee.
And yes, he's learning Perl. He's up to chapter 4 of the llama.
He also mentioned me on his audioblog -
http://www.audblog.com/media/5496/17930.mp3
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you don't want $r-pathinfo (which won't be set during trans). you
want $r-uri, which will be something like /THISBITHERE.
Then again, it's early here, so this could all be wrong. :)
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, and you don't have it?
I think that was introduced in 5.6, so you are probably running 5.5.
Upgrade your Perl to something introduced within the last two years.
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Perl
site:stonehenge.com MINICPAN
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Struan == Struan Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Struan So, is just missing out the line the way forward or is there an
Struan approved idiom that escapes my google foo?
Put -w on the command line. Works all the way back to Perl 2.000
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-to-nntp gateway for a column. I won't offend
y'all by including the precise URL or instructions on how to search
for it. :)
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Paul == Paul Makepeace [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Paul ... is where you keep warez, pr0n and rootkits.
No, I use . for that. Or maybe .\n :)
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Greg (sorry folks that should have been a private email)
Yeah, doesn't it suck when a list sets a reply-to?
... http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html
Please fix this.
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{$code} = [ $_ ];
TSchutzerWeissmann yup, [ ] was what I was looking for.
But not needed. See my other post.
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{$code} } , $_;
Luis }else{
Luis # First time for this array ref...
Luis $seen{$code} = [ $_ ];
Luis }
Luis }
No, wrong, absolutely *not* needed, thanks to autovivification.
See google site:stonehenge.com autovivification for further info.
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Lusercop In a parallel to UINE, EINI.
I don't get either of those.
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will be warming up to this idea.
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a grownup language like Perl, use a grownup
opensource database - PostgreSQL.
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in the desired direction!
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code
or open curlies or close curlies.
eval $string is almost Always the Wrong Way to do things.
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Jasper == Jasper McCrea [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Jasper $h = { $_ = $h || {} } for reverse @r;
Autovivification makes the || {} mostly unnecessary.
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Perl
to that PHP application
are PHP, not yours? Stacking templating engines will lead to nightmares,
anyway. :)
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a DVD of your presentation?
I gave someone on #perl that task... it would put RMS in a double bind.
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Distiller?.
Distiller can be approximated by Ghostscript.
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hardware, you need mod_perl. But that's not
what was said here.
S Just my $0.02, this isn't intended as a flame.
Pay closer attention to context next time, please.
That's not a flame either. That's just a whack upside the head.
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Why not allow (embedded) whitespace, punctuation, and so on?
BasicAuth with htpasswd files would break.
Otherwise, they're really a lot more flexible. But just try
doing tech support with 31337D#d3 as a username. :)
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to Mason. Use that. Stop trying harder. :)
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ticketmaster.com before? Oh wait, you're a brit. :)
Paul I suspect more revenue is generated from PHP sites than Perl
Paul sites.
I don't. I suspect PHP runs more hobby sites. I suspect Perl does
more of the e-commerce heavy lifting and pretty-lifting.
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of troff, and shell, and TCL, and languages which
confuse the level with the meta-level too easily. It was this madness
which Larry avoided with Perl having only one level (or two levels, in
interpolated regexen) of interpretation at most.
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the corresponding left paren, and be done with it.
XML is great for machine-to-machine. For me, XML sucks for
human-to-machine, and is only marginally better at machine-to-human.
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GDBM_File cannot be installed after the fact.
You'll need to install gdbm, then install Perl. Not the other way
around.
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It finds things in /sw just fine when you do that.
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Thanks... I really appreciate it.
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{ return __PACKAGE__ }
sub ...
A class itself is always a singleton.
If you want subclasses to share the same object, this works fine.
To get subclasses to get their own individual object, change that to:
sub new { return shift }
Simple. Painless.
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but couldn't turn it off, you
moved to a free email address and joined from there.
Maybe that should be the policy here too.
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Watch the keys that are being added to %SEEN. Something is inconsistent
between File::Spec's calculation and File::Find's calculation.
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skiing snowboarding doesn't try to twist my knees, which is one
motion I no longer can muscle against and yet will basically put me
in some serious injury.
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Perl
wheels
is all you ever needed. This inline fad will pass. :)
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running one night a week of roller, from what I saw last time I
was there.
Just another Roller Performance Skater,
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Randal - Ernie
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