Re: [Lsr] BGP vs PUA/PULSE

2022-01-04 Thread Robert Raszuk
> > no. It's a limit not a delay. That is directly contradicting the message from Les stating that this is going to be a rate limit not cut out. *"[LES2:] It is reasonable to limit the rate of pulses sent. "* If too many edge nodes loose connectivity > to the ABR in its area, it's a result of

Re: [Lsr] BGP vs PUA/PULSE

2022-01-04 Thread Greg Mirsky
Hi Peter, thank you for your response. I'm looking forward to the new version of the draft. It will be interesting to learn the criteria that enable an ABR to reliably identify the scenarios you've suggested are outside the scope of the PULSE draft and should be handled differently. Regards, Greg

Re: [Lsr] BGP vs PUA/PULSE

2022-01-04 Thread Peter Psenak
Hi Greg, On 04/01/2022 18:13, Greg Mirsky wrote: Hi Peter, I'm probably missing something in the current PULSE but I cannot find the mechanism that limits the number of the pulses. Do you envision that being like a throttling mechanism? But delaying the propagation of notification for some

Re: [Lsr] BGP vs PUA/PULSE

2022-01-04 Thread Greg Mirsky
Hi Peter, I'm probably missing something in the current PULSE but I cannot find the mechanism that limits the number of the pulses. Do you envision that being like a throttling mechanism? But delaying the propagation of notification for some events might cause more instability in a network.

[Lsr] Protocol Action: 'YANG Module for IS-IS Reverse Metric' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-lsr-yang-isis-reverse-metric-06.txt)

2022-01-04 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'YANG Module for IS-IS Reverse Metric' (draft-ietf-lsr-yang-isis-reverse-metric-06.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Link State Routing Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Alvaro Retana, John Scudder and Martin

Re: [Lsr] BGP vs PUA/PULSE

2022-01-04 Thread Robert Raszuk
Hi Aijun, In most deployments summary routes are already crafted carefully to only cover those destinations which are important and should be reachable from outside of the area. So I see no point in building yet another policy to select a subset of summaries to be PUA eligible. Along those

Re: [Lsr] BGP vs PUA/PULSE

2022-01-04 Thread Aijun Wang
I think the mentioned solution can also address Robert and Christian’s concerns. Aijun Wang China Telecom > On Jan 5, 2022, at 07:02, Aijun Wang wrote: > > Hi, Greg: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-wang-lsr-prefix-unreachable-annoucement-08#section-8 > has some description

Re: [Lsr] BGP vs PUA/PULSE

2022-01-04 Thread Aijun Wang
Hi, Greg: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-wang-lsr-prefix-unreachable-annoucement-08#section-8 has some description for such considerations: “ In order to reduce the unnecessary advertisements of PUAM messages on ABRs, the ABRs should support the configuration of the protected

Re: [Lsr] BGP vs PUA/PULSE

2022-01-04 Thread Aijun Wang
Hi, Robert: From: lsr-boun...@ietf.org On Behalf Of Robert Raszuk Sent: Wednesday, January 5, 2022 7:55 AM To: Aijun Wang Cc: Greg Mirsky ; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Christian Hopps ; Shraddha Hegde ; Tony Li ; Hannes Gredler ; lsr ; Peter Psenak Subject: Re: [Lsr] BGP vs PUA/PULSE

Re: [Lsr] BGP vs PUA/PULSE

2022-01-04 Thread Peter Psenak
Hi Greg, On 03/01/2022 23:17, Greg Mirsky wrote: Happy New Year to All! Hi Peter, Top-pasting: In 99,99% of cases there will be only single pulse generated when one PE goes down. That itself is a very rare event itself. We can easily limit the number of pulses generated on ABR to a single

Re: [Lsr] BGP vs PUA/PULSE

2022-01-04 Thread Peter Psenak
Chris, On 03/01/2022 20:23, Christian Hopps wrote: Peter Psenak writes: Chris, On 03/01/2022 17:18, Christian Hopps wrote: Peter Psenak writes: On 03/01/2022 16:21, Christian Hopps wrote: On Nov 29, 2021, at 7:39 PM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) wrote: Tony – Let me try one

Re: [Lsr] BGP vs PUA/PULSE

2022-01-04 Thread Peter Psenak
Hi Robert, On 03/01/2022 19:33, Robert Raszuk wrote: Hi Peter, Take SR-MPLS and RFC8667. for MPLS summarization is practically not possible, we have been through that. Take RFC7810 TE metric is only advertised for links, not for prefixes. Take RFC5120 I do not see any relevance

Re: [Lsr] BGP vs PUA/PULSE

2022-01-04 Thread Robert Raszuk
Peter, > > Take SR-MPLS and RFC8667. > > for MPLS summarization is practically not possible, we have been through > that. > The point is that the proposed solution is applicable to only a subset of real practical deployments even if everyone would agree that this is a cool idea. > > Take

Re: [Lsr] BGP vs PUA/PULSE

2022-01-04 Thread Aijun Wang
Hi, Christian: In our concerned scenarios, it is not one or small part of the prefixes that is important. Instead, the loopback addresses of all PEs(for overlay BGP/BGP VPN services), or all Ps(for SRv6 tunnel service) are all important. Extract them out of the summary addresses and advertise

Re: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-wang-lsr-stub-link-attributes-02

2022-01-04 Thread Aijun Wang
Hi, Christian and all: The stub links are used in widespread within the network, and it is useful to identify them within the IGP in several scenarios (as described in https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-wang-lsr-stub-link-attributes-02 #section-1). I support its adoption. I am not

Re: [Lsr] BGP vs PUA/PULSE

2022-01-04 Thread Peter Psenak
Robert, On 04/01/2022 11:42, Robert Raszuk wrote: Peter, > Take SR-MPLS and RFC8667. for MPLS summarization is practically not possible, we have been through that. The point is that the proposed solution is applicable to only a subset of real practical deployments even if

Re: [Lsr] Robert Wilton's No Objection on draft-ietf-lsr-yang-isis-reverse-metric-04: (with COMMENT)

2022-01-04 Thread Rob Wilton (rwilton)
Hi Chris, All good. Thanks for the updates and the confirmation. Regards, Rob -Original Message- From: iesg On Behalf Of Christian Hopps Sent: 01 January 2022 09:25 To: Rob Wilton (rwilton) Cc: draft-ietf-lsr-yang-isis-reverse-met...@ietf.org; lsr-cha...@ietf.org; The IESG ;

Re: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-wang-lsr-stub-link-attributes-02

2022-01-04 Thread peng.shaofu
Hi WG, Support adoption. Regards, PSF --原始邮件-- 发件人:ChristianHopps 收件人:lsr@ietf.org; 抄送人:lsr-cha...@ietf.org;lsr-...@ietf.org;cho...@chopps.org;draft-wang-lsr-stub-link-attribu...@ietf.org; 日 期 :2022年01月04日 15:04 主 题 :[Lsr] WG Adoption Call for

Re: [Lsr] WG Adoption Call for draft-wang-lsr-stub-link-attributes-02

2022-01-04 Thread Gyan Mishra
I am not aware of any undisclosed IPR. I support WG adoption. Thanks Gyan On Tue, Jan 4, 2022 at 2:04 AM Christian Hopps wrote: > Hi Folks, > > This begins a 2 week WG Adoption Call for the following draft: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wang-lsr-stub-link-attributes/ > > Please

Re: [Lsr] BGP vs PUA/PULSE

2022-01-04 Thread Christian Hopps
"Aijun Wang" writes: Hi, Christian: In our concerned scenarios, it is not one or small part of the prefixes that is important. Instead, the loopback addresses of all PEs(for overlay BGP/BGP VPN services), or all Ps(for SRv6 tunnel service) are all important. Extract them out of the summary