[Lsr] Request WG adoption of TTZ

2020-06-18 Thread Huaimo Chen
Hi Chris and Acee, and everyone, I would like to request working group adoption of "Topology-Transparent Zone" (TTZ for short) https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-chen-isis-ttz/ . This draft comprises the following solutions for helping to improve scalability: 1) abstrac

Re: [Lsr] Deborah Brungard's Discuss on draft-ietf-isis-te-app-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-06-18 Thread Yingzhen Qu
+1 on “application-specific”. It is used in the draft, that’s how I got it in my YANG example. Thanks, Yingzhen From: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" Date: Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 2:08 PM To: John E Drake , Yingzhen Qu , "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" , "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" , The IESG Cc: "lsr-cha.

Re: [Lsr] Deborah Brungard's Discuss on draft-ietf-isis-te-app-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-06-18 Thread Jeff Tantsura
+1 to “Application-Specific” Cheers, Jeff On Jun 18, 2020, 2:09 PM -0700, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) , wrote: > John – > > Yes – I like “Application-Specific” better. This matches the term we use > throughout the documents. > > Thanx. > >     Les > > From: John E Drake > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2

Re: [Lsr] Deborah Brungard's Discuss on draft-ietf-isis-te-app-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-06-18 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
John - Yes - I like "Application-Specific" better. This matches the term we use throughout the documents. Thanx. Les From: John E Drake Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 1:37 PM To: Yingzhen Qu ; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A ; The IESG Cc: lsr-ch

Re: [Lsr] Deborah Brungard's Discuss on draft-ietf-isis-te-app-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-06-18 Thread John E Drake
I had mentioned "Application Specific" Yours Irrespectively, John Juniper Business Use Only From: Yingzhen Qu Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 4:30 PM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A ; The IESG Cc: lsr-cha...@ietf.org; aretana.i...@gmail.com; Acee L

Re: [Lsr] Deborah Brungard's Discuss on draft-ietf-isis-te-app-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-06-18 Thread Yingzhen Qu
Hi Les, The proposed new titles are much better than the old ones. I’m debating between “application-scoped” and “application-based”, but no strong opinion. It’s up to you and Peter to decide a good name. Thanks, Yingzhen From: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" Date: Thursday, June 18, 2020 at 11:04

[Lsr] AD Review of draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv-01

2020-06-18 Thread Alvaro Retana
Dear authors: First of all, thank you for taking on this work! I have some comments which I home will be easy to address -- please see in-line below.  I will wait for a revised ID before starting the IETF Last Call. Before getting into the specifics, idnits came up with this warning: =    

[Lsr] Deborah Brungard's Abstain on draft-ietf-isis-te-app-17: (with COMMENT)

2020-06-18 Thread Deborah Brungard via Datatracker
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Re: [Lsr] Deborah Brungard's Discuss on draft-ietf-isis-te-app-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-06-18 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Yingzhen – Thanx for providing the YANG example – and for taking on the additions to the IGP YANG models. Regarding changing the titles of the documents, I see your point. The work started because of issues related to different TE applications (RSVP-TE and SR Policy) – but you are correct that

Re: [Lsr] Deborah Brungard's Discuss on draft-ietf-isis-te-app-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-06-18 Thread BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A
Hi Acee, Les, But the configuration control is not required, it is in small caps “will require”. So there is no guarantee it will be even present. Bruno and myself requested this should be stronger “MUST” or “REQUIRED”. And for “legacy” RSVP-TE applications, recommend a default, OFF, to ensure

Re: [Lsr] Deborah Brungard's Discuss on draft-ietf-isis-te-app-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-06-18 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Hi Les, Deborah, I agree with Les. Especially since we’ve discussed and evolved these encodings in the LSR WG for over 3 years now. With the zero-length attribute bit mask, we essentially have the equivalent of the legacy advertisements, as well as all the limitations. As long as configuration i

Re: [Lsr] Deborah Brungard's Discuss on draft-ietf-isis-te-app-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-06-18 Thread Yingzhen Qu
Hi Rob, Thank you for your comments, and I agree with you that a sever implementation could use a deviation to add a default if needed. This YANG will be augmenting base OSPF and ISIS model at protocol instance level. Thanks, Yingzhen From: "Rob Wilton (rwilton)" Date: Thursday, June 18, 202

[Lsr] Fwd: Devil's Advocate - Segment Routing, Why?

2020-06-18 Thread Robert Raszuk
Just FYI ... An interesting discussion on nanog/cisco-nsp lists ... started innocent with SRv6 bashing, now went into IGP - specifically ISIS territory :) -- Forwarded message - From: Saku Ytti Date: Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 12:43 PM Subject: Re: Devil's Advocate - Segment Routing,

Re: [Lsr] Deborah Brungard's Discuss on draft-ietf-isis-te-app-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-06-18 Thread Rob Wilton (rwilton)
Hi Yingzhen, Just commenting for a YANG configuration perspective, I think that the YANG you propose is a reasonable approach. In future, when it is clear the default behaviour should be app-specific, then the YANG could be changed to remove the mandatory true and add a default. The combinati