Re: [Lsr] WG Last Call draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-prefix-originator-06

2020-10-19 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
to consensus on your next step. Les > -Original Message- > From: Aijun Wang > Sent: Monday, October 19, 2020 12:06 AM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; 'Christian Hopps' > > Cc: 'John E Drake' ; lsr-cha...@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; > 'Jeff Tantsura' ; draft

Re: [Lsr] WG Last Call draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-prefix-originator-06

2020-10-19 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
o do this. I cannot support the document moving forward with the content in the Appendices included. Les > -Original Message- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of Aijun Wang > Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2020 7:08 PM > To: 'Christian Hopps' > Cc: 'John E Drake' ; lsr-cha...@ietf.org

Re: [Lsr] Rtg-Dir Last Call review of draft-ietf-lsr-flex-algo

2020-10-16 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Eric – I will let the draft authors respond to the bulk of your comments. But in regards to your question/comment: “I assume (but do not actually know) that a similar situation exists for the new ISIS FAD Sub-TLV of the existing TLV Type 242 - i.e. - ISIS presumably has well defined handling

Re: [Lsr] WG Last Call draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-prefix-originator-06

2020-10-16 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
> -Original Message- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of Aijun Wang > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2020 1:48 AM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > Cc: John E Drake ; Christian Hopps > ; lsr-cha...@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; Jeff Tantsura > ; draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-prefix-origin

Re: [Lsr] WG Last Call draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-prefix-originator-06

2020-10-15 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
John E Drake' > > Cc: 'Christian Hopps' ; lsr-cha...@ietf.org; Les Ginsberg > (ginsberg) ; lsr@ietf.org; lsr-...@ietf.org; draft-ietf- > lsr-ospf-prefix-origina...@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [Lsr] WG Last Call draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-prefix-originator-06 > > Hi, Les, John and Jeff:

Re: [Lsr] WG Last Call draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-prefix-originator-06

2020-10-15 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
I support moving this document forward. Similar functionality in IS-IS has proved useful. I would however like to repeat comments I made earlier in the review of this document. The content of the Appendices should be removed. The Appendices define and discuss deriving topology information from

Re: [Lsr] WG adoption call for draft-ketant-lsr-ospf-l2bundles-01

2020-10-02 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
I support WG adoption of this draft. OSPF needs functionality equivalent to that defined for IS-IS in RFC 8668. Les > -Original Message- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of Christian Hopps > Sent: Friday, October 02, 2020 5:03 AM > To: lsr@ietf.org > Cc: lsr-cha...@ietf.org; Christian Hopps ;

Re: [Lsr] New Version Notification for draft-bonica-lsr-ip-flexalgo-00.txt

2020-09-30 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Ron - Interesting proposal. A few mundane - but I think still important - comments. New IS-IS TLVs There is no need to have two TLVs for each address-family - one for MTID #0 and one for all non-zero MTIDs. One TLV/AF will suffice. The reason we have separate TLVs today

Re: [Lsr] New Version Notification for draft-wang-lsr-prefix-unreachable-annoucement-03.txt

2020-09-04 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
In support of what Tony has said, I think any comparison between what RIFT is doing and what is proposed in this draft is inappropriate. RIFT is able to determine what destinations exist in the network but are not reachable via a certain subset of the topology – and then generate negative

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-03.txt

2020-08-27 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
it before defining it. It is always possible that when the use case arises we will find that there are some other issues which have been overlooked which might alter how this would be advertised. Les From: Tony Li On Behalf Of tony...@tony.li Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 8:19 AM To: Les

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-03.txt

2020-08-27 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Tony – Inline. From: Tony Li On Behalf Of tony...@tony.li Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 8:56 PM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Cc: lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-03.txt Hi Les, [Les:] Any one of the IERs can be elected Area Leader, therefore all

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-03.txt

2020-08-26 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Tony – Inline. From: Tony Li On Behalf Of tony...@tony.li Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 5:40 PM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Cc: lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-03.txt Les, As per the draft: Area Proxy TLV is advertised by IERs in their L2 LSP

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-03.txt

2020-08-26 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
not claim that you need a new SID type when you don’t. Les From: Tony Li On Behalf Of tony...@tony.li Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 4:02 PM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Cc: lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-03.txt Hi Les, You have chosen to assign

Re: [Lsr] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-03.txt

2020-08-26 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Tony - You have chosen to assign a prefix as the "Area Destination". This is fine with me. But having done that, forwarding should be based on the existing mechanisms for advertising a prefix and the associated prefix SID. By doing that you avoid a number of problems: * Duplicate SID

Re: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption Poll for "IS-IS Topology-Transparent Zone" - draft-chen-isis-ttz-11.txt

2020-08-18 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
reas isn't helping you. Les From: Huaimo Chen Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 3:18 PM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Acee Lindem (acee) ; lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: LSR WG Adoption Poll for "IS-IS Topology-Transparent Zone" - draft-chen-isis-ttz-11.txt Hi Les,

Re: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption Poll for "IS-IS Topology-Transparent Zone" - draft-chen-isis-ttz-11.txt

2020-08-18 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 2:33 PM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Acee Lindem (acee) ; lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption Poll for "IS-IS Topology-Transparent Zone" - draft-chen-isis-ttz-11.txt Hi Les, > I see no need for "abstraction at arbitrary boundaries"

Re: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption Poll for "IS-IS Topology-Transparent Zone" - draft-chen-isis-ttz-11.txt

2020-08-18 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
I see no need for “abstraction at arbitrary boundaries”. Areas work just fine. IS-IS already has smooth transition capability for merging/splitting areas. Given both of the points above, I see no value in “smooth transition to/from zone abstraction”. If these are the principal distinguishing

Re: [Lsr] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-lsr-flex-algo

2020-08-18 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Tony – I am not “fighting”. I just found your interpretation very hard to follow. Moving on… Les From: Tony Li On Behalf Of tony...@tony.li Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2020 12:33 PM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Cc: Robert Raszuk ; Christian Hopps ; draft-ietf-lsr-flex-algo@ietf.org

Re: [Lsr] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-lsr-flex-algo

2020-08-18 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
in/Max Unidirectional Link Delay (34) and be done. That's all. Cheers, R. On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 6:04 PM Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) mailto:40cisco@dmarc.ietf.org>> wrote: Tony – As an author of both RFC 8570 and I-D.ietf-isis-te-app, I am not sure why you are confused – nor why you got

Re: [Lsr] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-lsr-flex-algo

2020-08-18 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Tony – As an author of both RFC 8570 and I-D.ietf-isis-te-app, I am not sure why you are confused – nor why you got misdirected to code point 33. RFC 8570 (and its predecessor RFC 7810) define: 34 Min/Max Unidirectional Link Delay This sub-TLV contains two values: “Min Delay: This

Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02

2020-08-07 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
, 2020 11:46 PM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Cc: Acee Lindem (acee) ; Bruno Decraene ; lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02 Hi Les, 1)Invent a new type of SID which is associated with an area. In this case some variation of encodings defined in V2 of the draft

Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02

2020-08-06 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
: Tony Li Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 2:42 PM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Cc: Acee Lindem (acee) ; Bruno Decraene ; lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02 Les, Not sure why this needs to be explained. Because we are not communicating well. We are each making

Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02

2020-08-06 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
would not like to go down that path… Les From: Tony Li Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 9:32 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Cc: Acee Lindem (acee) ; Bruno Decraene ; lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02 Les, There then remains the question as to whether

Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02

2020-08-05 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Tony - From: Tony Li Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2020 4:26 PM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Cc: Acee Lindem (acee) ; Bruno Decraene ; lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02 Les, This would make the Area Prefix mandatory for Area Proxy, which is not desired. We

Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02

2020-08-05 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Tony - From: Tony Li Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2020 1:08 PM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Cc: Acee Lindem (acee) ; Bruno Decraene ; lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02 Les, a)Advertise the “Area Prefix” in the Area Proxy TLV – much as we do a router-id today

Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02

2020-08-05 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Acee - From: Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2020 12:31 PM To: Tony Li ; Bruno Decraene Cc: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02 Hi Tony, Bruno, Les, From: Lsr mailto:lsr-boun...@ietf.org>> on behalf of To

Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02

2020-08-04 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Bruno - Please see inline. From: Lsr On Behalf Of bruno.decra...@orange.com Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2020 5:45 AM To: lsr@ietf.org Subject: [Lsr] draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02 Hi, I may be missing something but the SR Binding SID TLV extension is not clear to me. 1. It does not

Re: [Lsr] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02.txt

2020-08-03 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
10:47 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Cc: bruno.decra...@orange.com; tony...@tony.li; lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02.txt Hi Les, Well I am talking about IP routable identifier which I can place on the front of the packet and which

Re: [Lsr] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02.txt

2020-08-03 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Robert – Both OSPF and IS-IS have area identifiers which are advertised. Why would we need to invent another identifier for an area? Les From: Robert Raszuk Sent: Monday, August 03, 2020 10:31 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Cc: bruno.decra...@orange.com; tony...@tony.li; lsr@ietf.org

Re: [Lsr] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02.txt

2020-08-03 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Bruno – Inline. From: bruno.decra...@orange.com Sent: Monday, August 03, 2020 8:52 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; tony...@tony.li Cc: lsr@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Lsr] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02.txt Les, From: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) [mailto:ginsb

Re: [Lsr] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02.txt

2020-08-03 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Bruno – The concept of “Area SID” – at least to me – is “please forward to any node in the Area advertising the Area SID”. You, however, seem to be asking for either: a)The node originating the Proxy LSP to advertise a Node SID for a loopback address on that node OR b)The node originating

Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02

2020-07-30 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Bruno - Regarding the A-flag... It may not matter much whichever way we decide - but the A-flag was invented because at the time (prior to RFC 7794) there was no way to determine from looking at a prefix reachability advertisement whether it was originated by the advertising node or had been

Re: [Lsr] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02.txt

2020-07-30 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Bruno – One of the reasons to use the Binding TLV to advertise the Area SID was that it has been suggested that other use cases for Area SID – unrelated to Area Proxy – may come along. Therefore tying the advertisement to an Area Proxy TLV seems not the best option if we want to allow for

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv-03.txt

2020-07-26 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
This update addresses review comments from: Murray Kucherawy Roman Danyliw Benjamin Kaduk Rob Wilton Les > -Original Message- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of internet-dra...@ietf.org > Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2020 6:04 PM > To: i-d-annou...@ietf.org > Cc: lsr@ietf.org > Subject: [Lsr] I-D

Re: [Lsr] New Version Notification for draft-wang-lsr-igp-extensions-ifit-00.txt

2020-07-17 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
in other ways. Please reread the thread: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/lsr/?gbt=1=5GdFCy7zg8eCIGvQZpmAbOtrTjQ Les From: Lizhenbin Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 6:12 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; lsr@ietf.org Cc: wangyali Subject: 答复: New Version Notification for draft-wang

Re: [Lsr] Request WG adoption of TTZ

2020-07-16 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Huaimo - I am not going to comment on the history issues - though I understand why that is of significance to you. Otherwise, I don't think you are appreciating the key point many of us are making - which is that we do not need to introduce a new concept "zone" (subset of an area). It is

Re: [Lsr] New Version Notification for draft-wang-lsr-igp-extensions-ifit-00.txt

2020-07-16 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Yali - While it is kind of you to acknowledge many of us for our comments, in many cases (myself included) what we told you is that this does not belong in the IGPs. Putting out a new draft which continues to push for advertising ifit in IGPs (even if in different TLVs) does not indicate

Re: [Lsr] Request WG adoption of TTZ

2020-07-15 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
+1 I think Henk has spoken eloquently here - as have others before him. Abstracting an area may be useful - the WG has yet to fully decide on that. But nothing so far has demonstrated that we need to go even further and abstract a subset of an area. Les > -Original Message- >

Re: [Lsr] Robert Wilton's No Objection on draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv-02: (with COMMENT)

2020-07-14 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Rob - Thanx for the review. Responses inline. > -Original Message- > From: Robert Wilton via Datatracker > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 2:25 AM > To: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-...@ietf.org; lsr-cha...@ietf.org; > lsr@ietf.org; > Christian Hopps ;

Re: [Lsr] Roman Danyliw's No Objection on draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv-02: (with COMMENT)

2020-07-13 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
ssues and allow for non-disruptive introduction of the new functionality into an existing network." Let me know if this resolves the concerns. Les > -Original Message- > From: Acee Lindem (acee) > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 9:38 AM > To: Les Ginsberg (gin

Re: [Lsr] Benjamin Kaduk's Yes on draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv-02: (with COMMENT)

2020-07-13 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
age- > From: Benjamin Kaduk > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 4:24 PM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > Cc: The IESG ; draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-...@ietf.org; lsr- > cha...@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; Christian Hopps ; > aretana.i...@gmail.com > Subject: Re: Benjamin Kaduk's Ye

Re: [Lsr] Benjamin Kaduk's Yes on draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv-02: (with COMMENT)

2020-07-13 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Ben - Thanx for your review. Responses inline. > -Original Message- > From: Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 2:11 PM > To: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-...@ietf.org; lsr-cha...@ietf.org; > lsr@ietf.org; > Christian Hopps ;

Re: [Lsr] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv-02

2020-07-13 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Leif - Thanx for your review. Les > -Original Message- > From: Leif Johansson via Datatracker > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 1:55 PM > To: sec...@ietf.org > Cc: last-c...@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; > draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv@ietf.org > Subject: Secdir last call review of

Re: [Lsr] Roman Danyliw's No Objection on draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv-02: (with COMMENT)

2020-07-13 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Acee - Inline. > -Original Message- > From: Acee Lindem (acee) > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 9:04 AM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Roman Danyliw > ; The IESG > Cc: lsr-cha...@ietf.org; aretana.i...@gmail.com; cho...@chopps.org; draft- > ietf-lsr-isis-inva

Re: [Lsr] Roman Danyliw's No Objection on draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv-02: (with COMMENT)

2020-07-13 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Roman - Thanx for the review. Inline. > -Original Message- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of Roman Danyliw via > Datatracker > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 7:40 AM > To: The IESG > Cc: lsr-cha...@ietf.org; aretana.i...@gmail.com; cho...@chopps.org; draft- > ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-...@ietf.org;

Re: [Lsr] Murray Kucherawy's No Objection on draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv-02: (with COMMENT)

2020-07-13 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Murray - Thanx for your review - and for catching the editorial issue. We will address that in the next revision. Les > -Original Message- > From: Murray Kucherawy via Datatracker > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 12:21 AM > To: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-...@ietf.org;

Re: [Lsr] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-01.txt

2020-07-12 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Codepoints Registry) From: Lsr On Behalf Of Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2020 11:19 AM To: tony...@tony.li Cc: lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-01.txt Tony – Inline. From: Tony Li mailto:tony1ath...@gmail.com

Re: [Lsr] Martin Duke's No Objection on draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv-02: (with COMMENT)

2020-07-11 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Martin - Thanx for your review. Responses inline. > -Original Message- > From: Martin Duke via Datatracker > Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2020 9:08 AM > To: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-...@ietf.org; lsr-cha...@ietf.org; > lsr@ietf.org; > Christian Hopps ;

Re: [Lsr] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-01.txt

2020-07-08 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Tony – Inline. From: Tony Li On Behalf Of tony...@tony.li Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2020 11:12 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Cc: lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-01.txt Hi Les, Again, the subTLVs of the area proxy TLV

Re: [Lsr] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-01.txt

2020-07-08 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Tony – Inline. From: Tony Li On Behalf Of tony...@tony.li Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2020 8:29 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Cc: lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-01.txt Hi Les, The new definitions in the latest version

Re: [Lsr] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-01.txt

2020-07-08 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Tony – The new definitions in the latest version in the draft are very close to what we discussed in the earlier thread – so this looks pretty good to me. I still have some concerns regarding the Area Segment SID. You propose to advertise this in two places: 1)As a sub-TLV of the new Area

Re: [Lsr] Request WG adoption of TTZ

2020-07-07 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
... Les From: Huaimo Chen Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 12:42 PM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Christian Hopps Cc: lsr@ietf.org; lsr-cha...@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] Request WG adoption of TTZ Hi Les, > I think what you are highlighting is that w TTZ an operator could apply the > so

Re: [Lsr] Request WG adoption of TTZ

2020-07-07 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
should be focusing on things other than the flexibility of zones over areas.. Les From: Huaimo Chen Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2020 11:13 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Christian Hopps Cc: lsr@ietf.org; lsr-cha...@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] Request WG adoption of TTZ Hi Les, Thank you

Re: [Lsr] Request WG adoption of TTZ

2020-07-07 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Huaimo - In regards to merging/splitting areas, IS-IS base protocol provides a way to do this hitlessly (this was discussed some years ago when IS-IS TTZ draft was first introduced). So if the major difference/advantage between area-proxy and ttz is the ability to use zones to handle area

Re: [Lsr] Comments on Requested Codepoints for draft-li-lsr-isis-area-proxy

2020-06-29 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Tony – Inline. From: Tony Li On Behalf Of tony...@tony.li Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 2:37 PM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Cc: Hannes Gredler ; draft-li-lsr-isis-area-proxy.auth...@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] Comments on Requested Codepoints for draft-li-lsr-isis-area-proxy

Re: [Lsr] Comments on Requested Codepoints for draft-li-lsr-isis-area-proxy

2020-06-29 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
On Behalf Of tony...@tony.li Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 12:52 PM To: Hannes Gredler Cc: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; draft-li-lsr-isis-area-proxy.auth...@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] Comments on Requested Codepoints for draft-li-lsr-isis-area-proxy Hi, The authors have conferred and we

Re: [Lsr] AD Review of draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv-01

2020-06-22 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Alvaro - Thanx. V2 of the draft has been posted. I believe it addresses all of your comments. Les > -Original Message- > From: Alvaro Retana > Sent: Monday, June 22, 2020 3:05 PM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid- > t...@ietf.org > Cc: l

Re: [Lsr] WG adoption call for draft-przygienda-lsr-flood-reflection-01

2020-06-21 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
I support WG adoption of https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-przygienda-lsr-flood-reflection . (I also support the WG adoption of https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-li-lsr-isis-area-proxy/ ) I believe the problem space addressed by these two drafts warrants attention. I am not

Re: [Lsr] WG adoption call for draft-li-lsr-isis-area-proxy-06

2020-06-21 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
I support the WG adoption of https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-li-lsr-isis-area-proxy/ . (I also support WG adoption of https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-przygienda-lsr-flood-reflection ) I believe the problem space addressed by these two drafts warrants attention. I am not yet

Re: [Lsr] Comments on Requested Codepoints for draft-li-lsr-isis-area-proxy

2020-06-21 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
of the Designated Experts I wanted to share my concerns sooner rather than later. A few more responses inline. From: Tony Li On Behalf Of tony...@tony.li Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2020 5:13 PM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Cc: draft-li-lsr-isis-area-proxy.auth...@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: Comments

Re: [Lsr] Comments on Requested Codepoints for draft-li-lsr-isis-area-proxy

2020-06-20 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
as something attempting to address a similar problem. It isn’t easy. Les From: Tony Li On Behalf Of tony...@tony.li Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2020 1:41 PM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Cc: draft-li-lsr-isis-area-proxy.auth...@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: Comments on Requested Codepoints

[Lsr] Comments on Requested Codepoints for draft-li-lsr-isis-area-proxy

2020-06-20 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
(NOTE: Comments below are mine alone - wearing both my WG member hat and my Designated Expert for IS-IS Registries Hat. They do not represent support for or against the draft itself.) draft-li-lsr-isis-area-proxy-06 currently proposes the use of one new sub-TLV of Router Capabilities TLV

Re: [Lsr] AD Review of draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv-01

2020-06-19 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Alvaro - I will publish an update once we have converged on all your comments. Responses inline. > -Original Message- > From: Alvaro Retana > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 1:05 PM > To: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-invalid-...@ietf.org > Cc: Christian Hopps ; lsr-cha...@ietf.org;

Re: [Lsr] Deborah Brungard's Discuss on draft-ietf-isis-te-app-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-06-18 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
John - Yes - I like "Application-Specific" better. This matches the term we use throughout the documents. Thanx. Les From: John E Drake Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2020 1:37 PM To: Yingzhen Qu ; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A ; The IES

Re: [Lsr] Deborah Brungard's Discuss on draft-ietf-isis-te-app-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-06-18 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
11:29 PM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A ; The IESG Cc: lsr-cha...@ietf.org; aretana.i...@gmail.com; Acee Lindem (acee) ; draft-ietf-isis-te-...@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] Deborah Brungard's Discuss on draft-ietf-isis-te-app-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) Hi

Re: [Lsr] Deborah Brungard's Discuss on draft-ietf-isis-te-app-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-06-17 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 1:07 PM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; The IESG Cc: draft-ietf-isis-te-...@ietf.org; lsr-cha...@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; Acee Lindem (acee) ; aretana.i...@gmail.com Subject: RE: Deborah Brungard's Discuss on draft-ietf-isis-te-app-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) Les- To shortcut

Re: [Lsr] [Last-Call] Opsdir telechat review of draft-ietf-ospf-te-link-attr-reuse-14

2020-06-17 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
draft-ietf-isis-te-app-17 has been posted with this change. Les > -Original Message- > From: Scott O. Bradner > Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 8:53 AM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > Cc: Rob Wilton (rwilton) ; Peter Psenak > ; Benjamin Kaduk > ; lsr@ietf.org; o

Re: [Lsr] [Last-Call] Opsdir telechat review of draft-ietf-ospf-te-link-attr-reuse-14

2020-06-17 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
gt; Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 5:09 AM > To: Peter Psenak ; Les Ginsberg > (ginsberg) > Cc: lsr@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ospf-te-link-attr-reuse@ietf.org; ops- > d...@ietf.org; last-c...@ietf.org; Scott O. Bradner > Subject: RE: [Last-Call] Opsdir telechat review of > dra

Re: [Lsr] Opsdir telechat review of draft-ietf-ospf-te-link-attr-reuse-14

2020-06-17 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Ben - Inline. > -Original Message- > From: Benjamin Kaduk > Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 7:22 PM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > Cc: Scott Bradner ; ops-...@ietf.org; draft-ietf-ospf-te- > link-attr-reuse@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; last-c...@ietf.org > Subject

Re: [Lsr] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-isis-te-app-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-06-15 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
; From: Benjamin Kaduk > Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 12:03 PM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > Cc: The IESG ; draft-ietf-isis-te-...@ietf.org; lsr- > cha...@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; Acee Lindem (acee) ; > aretana.i...@gmail.com > Subject: Re: Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on d

Re: [Lsr] [Last-Call] Opsdir telechat review of draft-ietf-ospf-te-link-attr-reuse-14

2020-06-14 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
t; reuse-14 > > inline > > > On Jun 14, 2020, at 6:50 PM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > wrote: > > > > Scott - > > > > > > > > Inline. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message- > > > > > From: Scott O. Brad

Re: [Lsr] [Last-Call] Opsdir telechat review of draft-ietf-ospf-te-link-attr-reuse-14

2020-06-14 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Scott - Inline. > -Original Message- > From: Scott O. Bradner > Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 3:16 PM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > Cc: ops-...@ietf.org; Benjamin Kaduk ; draft-ietf-ospf-te- > link-attr-reuse@ietf.org; last-c...@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org &g

Re: [Lsr] Opsdir telechat review of draft-ietf-ospf-te-link-attr-reuse-14

2020-06-14 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Scott - Allow me to inject myself here. As editor of the companion IS-IS document (draft-ietf-isis-te-app) I have received similar comments - for example from Ben (copied on this thread). I continue to be at a loss as to why you believe we have to say something about User Defined Applications

Re: [Lsr] Deborah Brungard's Discuss on draft-ietf-isis-te-app-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-06-13 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Deborah – Inline. From: BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 4:16 PM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; The IESG Cc: draft-ietf-isis-te-...@ietf.org; lsr-cha...@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; Acee Lindem (acee) ; aretana.i...@gmail.com Subject: RE: Deborah Brungard's Discuss on draft-ietf-isis

Re: [Lsr] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-isis-te-app-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-06-13 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Ben - Inline. > -Original Message- > From: Benjamin Kaduk > Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 9:15 PM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > Cc: The IESG ; draft-ietf-isis-te-...@ietf.org; lsr- > cha...@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; Acee Lindem (acee) ; > aretana.i...@gmail.com &g

Re: [Lsr] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-isis-te-app-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-06-12 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
ining, to allow for compact encoding. It's not actually necessary to be strictly sequential in order to minimize the number of octets transmitted." LES: I understand this concern. How about if we change policy to "Expert Review"? Les > -Original Message- > Fr

Re: [Lsr] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-isis-te-app-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-06-11 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Ben - Sorry - there was a typo - correct specification number is ISO 10589. It is freely available here: https://standards.iso.org/ittf/PubliclyAvailableStandards/index.html Les > -Original Message- > From: Benjamin Kaduk > Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 1:01 PM > To:

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-te-app-15.txt

2020-06-11 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
or Section 7.5 there really isn’t anything else to say beyond what RFC 7370 says. Les > -Original Message- > From: Murray S. Kucherawy > Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 11:05 AM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > Cc: lsr@ietf.org; Martin Duke ; Rob Wilton > (rwilto

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-te-app-15.txt

2020-06-11 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Folks - This update to the draft addresses comments from the following IESG reviewers: Murray Kucherawy Martin Duke Rob Wilton Roman Danyliw Deborah Brungard Benjamin Kaduk It also includes grammatical corrections related to the use of "which/that". A special thank you to Acee Lindem for his

Re: [Lsr] Benjamin Kaduk's Discuss on draft-ietf-isis-te-app-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-06-11 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Benjamin - Thanx for your review. Responses inline. > -Original Message- > From: Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker > Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2020 12:42 AM > To: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-isis-te-...@ietf.org; lsr-cha...@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; Acee > Lindem (acee) ;

Re: [Lsr] Deborah Brungard's Discuss on draft-ietf-isis-te-app-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-06-11 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Deborah - Thanx for your review. Responses inline. > -Original Message- > From: Deborah Brungard via Datatracker > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 3:17 PM > To: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-isis-te-...@ietf.org; lsr-cha...@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; Acee > Lindem (acee) ;

Re: [Lsr] Roman Danyliw's No Objection on draft-ietf-isis-te-app-14: (with COMMENT)

2020-06-11 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Roman - Thanx for the review. Responses inline. > -Original Message- > From: Roman Danyliw via Datatracker > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 3:05 PM > To: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-isis-te-...@ietf.org; lsr-cha...@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; Acee > Lindem (acee) ;

Re: [Lsr] Robert Wilton's No Objection on draft-ietf-isis-te-app-14: (with COMMENT)

2020-06-10 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Rob - Thanx for your review. Inline. > -Original Message- > From: Robert Wilton via Datatracker > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 8:38 AM > To: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-isis-te-...@ietf.org; lsr-cha...@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; Acee > Lindem (acee) ; aretana.i...@gmail.com; Acee Lindem >

Re: [Lsr] Martin Duke's No Objection on draft-ietf-isis-te-app-14: (with COMMENT)

2020-06-09 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Martin - From: Martin Duke Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 2:35 PM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Cc: The IESG ; lsr-cha...@ietf.org; aretana.i...@gmail.com; Acee Lindem (acee) ; draft-ietf-isis-te-...@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] Martin Duke's No Objection on draft-ietf-isis-te-app-14

Re: [Lsr] Martin Duke's No Objection on draft-ietf-isis-te-app-14: (with COMMENT)

2020-06-09 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Martin - > -Original Message- > From: Martin Duke > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 9:02 AM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > Cc: The IESG ; lsr-cha...@ietf.org; aretana.i...@gmail.com; > Acee Lindem (acee) ; draft-ietf-isis-te-...@ietf.org; > lsr@ietf.org > Subject:

Re: [Lsr] Martin Duke's No Objection on draft-ietf-isis-te-app-14: (with COMMENT)

2020-06-08 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Martin - Thanx for your review. A new version will be published soon - pending resolution of comments from another review - that addresses issues you have raised - subject to my responses inline. > -Original Message- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of Martin Duke via Datatracker > Sent: Monday,

Re: [Lsr] Murray Kucherawy's Discuss on draft-ietf-isis-te-app-14: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2020-06-08 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Murray - Thanx for the review. Responses inline. I'll post a new version once we have closed on all your comments. > -Original Message- > From: Murray Kucherawy via Datatracker > Sent: Monday, June 08, 2020 12:30 PM > To: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-isis-te-...@ietf.org;

Re: [Lsr] Éric Vyncke's No Objection on draft-ietf-isis-te-app-14: (with COMMENT)

2020-06-08 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Eric - Thanx for your review. Please see inline. > -Original Message- > From: Éric Vyncke via Datatracker > Sent: Monday, June 08, 2020 6:06 AM > To: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-isis-te-...@ietf.org; lsr-cha...@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; Acee > Lindem (acee) ;

Re: [Lsr] Rtgdir last call review of draft-ietf-isis-te-app-13

2020-06-05 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Bruno - Inline. > -Original Message- > From: bruno.decra...@orange.com > Sent: Friday, June 05, 2020 5:55 AM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > Cc: last-c...@ietf.org; draft-ietf-isis-te-app@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; > rtg- > d...@ietf.org > Subje

Re: [Lsr] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-isis-te-app-13

2020-06-04 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Jouni - Just to let you know that V14 of the draft was posted today and it includes all of the corrections you requested. Thanx again for your review. Les > -Original Message- > From: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 8:02 AM > To: Jouni Ko

Re: [Lsr] Rtgdir last call review of draft-ietf-isis-te-app-13

2020-06-04 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
2020 9:33 AM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > Cc: last-c...@ietf.org; draft-ietf-isis-te-app@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; > rtg- > d...@ietf.org > Subject: RE: Rtgdir last call review of draft-ietf-isis-te-app-13 > > Les, > > Thanks for your answers. > Comments inl

Re: [Lsr] [IANA #1171772] Early Allocations request for "Area Proxy for IS-IS" - draft-li-lsr-isis-area-proxy-04

2020-06-04 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Folks - Replying to the WG list on this as we believe this is of interest to the entire WG. The designated experts (Chris, Hannes, and myself) have discussed the request for early codepoint allocations for draft-li-lsr-isis-area-proxy-04. Ordinarily such requests are routine. Our task is only

[Lsr] Request WG Adoption of draft-chen-lsr-isis-rfc5316bis-02.txt

2020-06-03 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
for this draft. Thanx. Les > -Original Message- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2020 8:51 AM > To: lsr@ietf.org > Subject: [Lsr] FW: New Version Notification for > draft-chen-lsr-isis-rfc5316bis- &

[Lsr] FW: New Version Notification for draft-chen-lsr-isis-rfc5316bis-02.txt

2020-06-03 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Folks - This is a refresh on this draft. Les -Original Message- From: internet-dra...@ietf.org Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2020 6:56 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Stefano Previdi ; Mach Chen (Guoyi) ; Mach Chen ; Xiaodong Duan Subject: New Version Notification for draft-chen

Re: [Lsr] Rtgdir last call review of draft-ietf-isis-te-app-13

2020-05-29 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Bruno - Thanx for your (as always) meticulous review. Responses inline. Once we have reached agreement I will send out an updated version. > -Original Message- > From: Bruno Decraene via Datatracker > Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 10:18 AM > To: rtg-...@ietf.org > Cc: last-c...@ietf.org;

Re: [Lsr] Genart last call review of draft-ietf-isis-te-app-13

2020-05-29 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Jouni - Thanx for the review. I have addressed the editorial issues you raised - though I will wait for additional comments from other reviewers before publishing a new version. Les > -Original Message- > From: Jouni Korhonen via Datatracker > Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 6:11 AM >

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-dynamic-flooding-06.txt

2020-05-27 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
FYI - This versions corrects the codepoint registration policy for the new "IGP Algorithm Type For Computing Flooding Topology". Les > -Original Message- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of internet-dra...@ietf.org > Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 10:35 AM > To: i-d-annou...@ietf.org > Cc:

Re: [Lsr] Flooding Topology Computation Algorithm - draft-cc-lsr-flooding-reduction-08 Working Group Adoption Call

2020-05-27 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Tony/Gyan - Please find my replies inline. From: Lsr On Behalf Of tony...@tony.li Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 8:48 AM To: Gyan Mishra Cc: lsr@ietf.org; Huaimo Chen ; Acee Lindem (acee) Subject: Re: [Lsr] Flooding Topology Computation Algorithm - draft-cc-lsr-flooding-reduction-08 Working

Re: [Lsr] Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-isis-te-app-13

2020-05-21 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Kyle – Inline. From: Kyle Rose Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 6:09 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Cc: tsv-...@ietf.org; draft-ietf-isis-te-app@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; last-c...@ietf.org Subject: Re: Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-isis-te-app-13 On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 2:28 AM Les

Re: [Lsr] Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-isis-te-app-13

2020-05-21 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Kyle - Thanx for the review. Responses inline. > -Original Message- > From: Kyle Rose via Datatracker > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 4:15 PM > To: tsv-...@ietf.org > Cc: draft-ietf-isis-te-app@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; last-c...@ietf.org > Subject: Tsvart last call review of

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