Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-te-app-04.txt

2018-04-27 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
This version contains corrections/clarifications to the IANA section which were identified during the recent early allocation of codepoints process. Les > -Original Message- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of internet-dra...@ietf.org > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2018 2:46

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call on "Signaling MSD (Maximum SID Depth) using OSPF"

2018-05-11 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
I support WG last call. This document is now mature – and fully aligned with draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd which has already passed last call. Les From: Lsr On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 8:20 AM To: lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr]

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-11.txt

2018-05-10 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
This is a minor editorial revision to make the draft consistent w draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-msd-12. Les > -Original Message- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of internet-dra...@ietf.org > Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 5:49 PM > To: i-d-annou...@ietf.org > Cc:

Re: [Lsr] Flex Algo merge work, IS-IS and OSPF FAD sub-TLVs

2018-05-19 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
> From: Christian Hopps <cho...@chopps.org> > Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2018 6:15 AM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsb...@cisco.com> > Cc: Acee Lindem (acee) <a...@cisco.com>; lsr@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Lsr] Flex Algo merge work, IS-IS and OSPF FAD sub-TLVs >

Re: [Lsr] Flex Algo merge work, IS-IS and OSPF FAD sub-TLVs

2018-05-20 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
g> > Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2018 4:48 PM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsb...@cisco.com> > Cc: Acee Lindem (acee) <a...@cisco.com>; lsr@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Lsr] Flex Algo merge work, IS-IS and OSPF FAD sub-TLVs > > > > > On May 19, 2018, at 12:2

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-11.txt

2018-05-16 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
age- > From: Christian Hopps <cho...@chopps.org> > Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 3:09 PM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsb...@cisco.com> > Cc: Christian Hopps <cho...@chopps.org>; lsr@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-1

Re: [Lsr] Flex Algo merge work, IS-IS and OSPF FAD sub-TLVs

2018-05-21 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Chris - From: Christian Hopps <cho...@chopps.org> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 5:44 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsb...@cisco.com> Cc: Acee Lindem (acee) <a...@cisco.com>; lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] Flex Algo merge work, IS-IS and OSPF FAD sub-TLVs On May 20, 2018

Re: [Lsr] Flex Algo merge work, IS-IS and OSPF FAD sub-TLVs

2018-05-21 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Monday, May 21, 2018 9:15 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsb...@cisco.com> Cc: Acee Lindem (acee) <a...@cisco.com>; lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] Flex Algo merge work, IS-IS and OSPF FAD sub-TLVs On May 21, 2018, at 11:46 AM, Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsb...@cisco.com<m

Re: [Lsr] Flex Algo merge work, IS-IS and OSPF FAD sub-TLVs

2018-05-21 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Chris – To be “absolutely clear”, I object to the sharing of the “protocol type” field at any level. We are not talking about “content”. Les From: Christian Hopps <cho...@chopps.org> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2018 10:08 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsb...@cisco.com> Cc: Acee

Re: [Lsr] Flex Algo merge work, IS-IS and OSPF FAD sub-TLVs

2018-05-18 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
(I never saw Chris's original email either - perhaps it was sent during the period when delivery to the alias when compromised.) I am in full agreement w Acee - it is a VERY BAD idea to try to combine protocol TLV registries. There are many reasons for this - here are a few. 1)In IS-IS the

Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16 - Shepherd review comments

2018-06-11 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
– but clearly ISO 10589 is a normative reference. Thanx. Les From: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 10:00 PM To: Uma Chunduri ; lsr@ietf.org Cc: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensi...@ietf.org; lsr-cha...@ietf.org; lsr-...@ietf.org Subject: RE: draft-ietf-isis-segment

Re: [Lsr] Signalling ERLD (ISIS, OSPF and BGP-LS)

2018-06-13 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Gunter - I strongly support Option #2 and strongly support Ketan's recommendation that an MSD sub-type be used to advertise ERLD. This is the unified framework that the MSD advertisement has been designed to support. The following documents provide a unified definition of this mechanism:

Re: [Lsr] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-00

2018-06-15 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
WG chairs - Can we consider WG last call completed? (It has been more than 3 weeks...) Would really like to get this small but important correction published ASAP. Thanx. Les > -Original Message- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of Christian Hopps > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2018 8:29 AM >

Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16 - Shepherd review comments

2018-06-15 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Uma – Thank you. I have posted a new version (17) with the previously provided changes. Les From: Uma Chunduri Sent: Friday, June 15, 2018 9:21 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Cc: lsr@ietf.org; draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensi...@ietf.org; lsr-cha...@ietf.org; lsr-...@ietf.org

Re: [Lsr] Gentle Reminder!!!Re: draft-ietf-isis-te-app: Clarification on Application Identifier bits

2018-06-11 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
@ietf.org; stef...@previdi.net; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; jdr...@juniper.net Subject: Gentle Reminder!!!Re: draft-ietf-isis-te-app: Clarification on Application Identifier bits Dear Authors, Could you please help me with the query. Please confirm about the new bit for SRv6-TE applications. We

Re: [Lsr] [IANA #1109980] Early Allocation Extension for "IS-IS Extensions for Segment Routing" - draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16.txt

2018-06-04 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
- > From: Sabrina Tanamal via RT > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2018 3:52 PM > Cc: lsr@ietf.org; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; draft-ietf- > isis-segment-routing-extensi...@ietf.org; cho...@chopps.org; > uma.chund...@huawei.com; Acee Lindem (acee) > Subject: [IANA #1109980] Early All

Re: [Lsr] IGP TE Metric Extensions

2018-06-05 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Muthu – I agree with the comments from all of the folks who have responded to you thus far. The RFC is specifying what the externally visible behavior needs to be in order for the feature to be safely and usefully deployed – it is not specifying HOW to implement that behavior. But, let’s

[Lsr] FW: New Version Notification for draft-bashandy-isis-srv6-extensions-03.txt

2018-06-29 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
) ; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil) Subject: New Version Notification for draft-bashandy-isis-srv6-extensions-03.txt A new version of I-D, draft-bashandy-isis-srv6-extensions-03.txt has been successfully submitted by Les Ginsberg and posted to the IETF repository. Name

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-mpls-elc-05.txt

2018-08-03 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Bruno – Inline. From: bruno.decra...@orange.com Sent: Friday, August 03, 2018 10:01 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Cc: lsr@ietf.org; draft-ietf-isis-mpls-...@ietf.org; 徐小虎(义先) Subject: RE: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-mpls-elc-05.txt Les, Please see inline [Bruno] From: Les Ginsberg

Re: [Lsr] AD Review of draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-13

2018-08-15 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Alvaro – A very thorough review – thanx. Jeff has the pen – but I think he is on holiday at the moment – so there may be a short delay as regards a new version. I will confine myself to comments on the non-editorial issues. Inline. From: Alvaro Retana Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 1:53 PM

Re: [Lsr] AD Review of draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-13

2018-08-20 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Alvaro – V14 of the draft has been posted addressing your comments – subject to my responses previously sent. Please let us know if this is sufficient or you still have concerns which need to be addressed. Les From: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 3:52 PM

Re: [Lsr] LSR Flooding Reduction Drafts - Moving Forward

2018-08-22 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Works for me. Thanx Jeff. Les From: Jeff Tantsura Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2018 1:21 PM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Tony Przygienda Cc: Tony Li ; lsr@ietf.org; Acee Lindem (acee) Subject: Re: [Lsr] LSR Flooding Reduction Drafts - Moving Forward Les, Not going to repeat Tony P

Re: [Lsr] LSR Flooding Reduction Drafts - Moving Forward

2018-08-22 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
In the discussions which led to the creation of LSVR and RIFT WGs, considerable interest was expressed in working on enhancements to existing Link State protocols. You can peruse the dcrouting mailing list archives. https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/dcrouting/ It is rather befuddling to

Re: [Lsr] Concerns with draft-chunduri-lsr-isis-preferred-path-routing

2018-07-17 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Uma - I share the concerns expressed by Ketan and Peter. Although I will certainly consider the additional response you seem to have hinted at in your reply to Peter, it seems to me that Section 6 of your draft acknowledges that there is a scaling problem - and then references what seems to

Re: [Lsr] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-00

2018-07-17 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
V1 has been posted with the additional text. Hope this clears any issues with the shepherd's report. Les > -Original Message- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2018 2:07 PM > To: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) ; Acee Lindem (acee) &

Re: [Lsr] AD Review of draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-13

2018-08-29 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Alvaro – I have posted V15 addressing your comments. Responses inline. From: Alvaro Retana Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 9:54 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-...@ietf.org Cc: lsr@ietf.org; Christian Hopps ; lsr-cha...@ietf.org Subject: RE: AD Review of draft

Re: [Lsr] AD Review of draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-13

2018-08-29 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Alvaro – I have posted V15 addressing your comments. Inline. From: Alvaro Retana Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2018 9:56 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-...@ietf.org Cc: lsr@ietf.org; Christian Hopps ; lsr-cha...@ietf.org Subject: RE: AD Review of draft-ietf

[Lsr] Comments on draft-hu-lsr-isis-path-mtu

2018-07-08 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
(Changed the subject – was “RE: [Lsr] IETF 102 LSR Working Group Call for Agenda Items”) Zhibo – Following up on Acee’s comment…he is (of course) quite correct that there already is a per link MTU sub-TLV defined by RFC 7176 – it is sub-TLV 28 defined here:

Re: [Lsr] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-li-dynamic-flooding-04.txt

2018-04-06 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
I think this discussion has already gone much too far in the direction of customized flooding optimizations. Such is the nature of the engineering mind – give us a problem to solve and we’ll come up with a plethora of solutions. The right perspective (for me anyway) is this: IGPs have been

Re: [Lsr] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-li-dynamic-flooding-04.txt

2018-04-07 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
a different flooding topology from the one IGPs use today is required or we will have accomplished nothing. Les From: Lsr <lsr-boun...@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Robert Raszuk Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2018 10:44 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsb...@cisco.com> Cc: lsr@ietf.org; R

Re: [Lsr] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ginsberg-isis-rfc7810bis-00.txt

2018-04-05 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Chris - > -Original Message- > From: Christian Hopps <cho...@chopps.org> > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2018 7:32 AM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsb...@cisco.com> > Cc: Acee Lindem (acee) <a...@cisco.com>; lsr@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Lsr] FW: New Ver

Re: [Lsr] Inconsistence regarding the definition of "Adj-SID Sub-TLV" between OSPF and ISIS extension for Segment Routing

2018-04-04 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
A strong +1 from me as well. This is a clear example where the functional content is the same, but differences exist in the encoding for reasons which are specific to each protocol. Les > -Original Message- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of Peter Psenak (ppsenak) >

Re: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption call for "IS-IS Traffic Engineering (TE) Metric Extensions" - draft-ginsberg-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-00

2018-04-09 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Support (as co-author). This correction is needed to insure that interoperability is assured. Les From: Lsr On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: Monday, April 09, 2018 12:20 PM To: lsr@ietf.org Subject: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption call for "IS-IS Traffic Engineering (TE)

Re: [Lsr] IPR Call for "IS-IS Traffic Engineering (TE) Metric Extensions" - draft-ginsberg-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-00

2018-04-09 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
I am not aware of any undisclosed IPR. Les From: Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: Monday, April 09, 2018 12:39 PM To: draft-ginsberg-lsr-isis-rfc7810...@ietf.org Cc: lsr@ietf.org Subject: IPR Call for "IS-IS Traffic Engineering (TE) Metric Extensions" - draft-ginsberg-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-00

Re: [Lsr] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ginsberg-isis-rfc7810bis-00.txt

2018-04-09 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Submitted. Les > -Original Message- > From: Acee Lindem (acee) > Sent: Monday, April 09, 2018 10:42 AM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsb...@cisco.com>; lsr@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Lsr] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ginsberg-isis- > rfc78

Re: [Lsr] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ginsberg-isis-rfc7810bis-00.txt

2018-04-04 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
-rfc7810bis” ?? Les From: Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.i...@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2018 1:58 PM To: Acee Lindem (acee) <a...@cisco.com>; Tony Li <tony...@tony.li>; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsb...@cisco.com> Cc: lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] FW: New Version

Re: [Lsr] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ginsberg-isis-rfc7810bis-00.txt

2018-04-06 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
orward way to identify the scope of the content from the name - just using "-lsr-" for all documents is very sub-optimal - and the fix for this is very easy. Les > -Original Message- > From: t.petch <ie...@btconnect.com> > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 3:43 AM &

Re: [Lsr] LSR Working Group Adoption Poll for Flex Algorithm Drafts

2018-04-17 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Support. I am open to combining into one draft so long as the authors feel comfortable that they can easily minimize the protocol specific text. Les From: Lsr On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 7:44 AM To: lsr@ietf.org Subject: [Lsr] LSR

Re: [Lsr] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ginsberg-isis-rfc7810bis-00.txt

2018-04-16 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
are asking about. Les From: Uma Chunduri <uma.chund...@huawei.com> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2018 3:28 PM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsb...@cisco.com>; Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.i...@gmail.com>; Acee Lindem (acee) <a...@cisco.com>; Tony Li <tony...@tony.li> Cc: lsr@

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16.txt

2018-04-19 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
This just updates/corrects some references which was necessary as some of the referenced content moved into a different draft. Les > -Original Message- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of internet-dra...@ietf.org > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 9:42 AM > To:

Re: [Lsr] LSR Working Group Secretary

2018-04-23 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Bravo! Now LSR is a world class WG. Thanx to Yingzhen for taking on this additional responsibility. Les From: Lsr On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 6:43 AM To: lsr@ietf.org Subject: [Lsr] LSR Working Group Secretary All, I’m delighted to

Re: [Lsr] WG Last Call for draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-16

2018-04-23 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Support as co-author. Note that the substantive changes to the document were to remove the unused ERO types - which was a widely supported change. Les > -Original Message- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of Christian Hopps > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 7:03 AM > To:

[Lsr] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ginsberg-isis-rfc7810bis-00.txt

2018-03-30 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
:33 PM To: Qin Wu <sunse...@huawei.com>; David Ward (wardd) <wa...@cisco.com>; Spencer Giacolone <spencer.giacal...@gmail.com>; Spencer Giacalone <spencer.giacal...@gmail.com>; John Drake <ldr...@juniper.net>; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsb...@cisco.com>; Dav

Re: [Lsr] [Editorial Errata Reported] RFC7810 (5293)

2018-03-23 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
I also believe the Errata should be accepted as is. This will make IS-IS consistent with OSPF (RFC 7471) as well as the related BGP-LS draft (draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp). Given there is evidence that implementations have differed in their interpretations it seems important to note that we may

Re: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption call for "IS-IS Traffic Engineering (TE) Metric Extensions" - draft-ginsberg-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-00

2018-04-25 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Acee – Thanx. New version has been submitted – pending WG chair approval to be posted. Les From: Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 12:17 PM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) <ginsb...@cisco.com>; lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: LSR WG Adoption call for "IS-IS Traffic Engi

Re: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption call for "IS-IS Traffic Engineering (TE) Metric Extensions" - draft-ginsberg-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-00

2018-04-25 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
WG chairs – It has been more than 2 weeks since adoption call was initiated and support has been expressed on the list – w no objections. Can we consider WG adoption complete? Can I issue a WG version of the draft? Thanx. Les From: Lsr On Behalf Of Acee Lindem

[Lsr] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ginsberg-isis-rfc5306bis-01.txt

2018-06-28 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
FYI. The new version of the draft includes an Appendix describing the changes relative to RFC 5306. Otherwise the content is unchanged from V0. Les -Original Message- From: internet-dra...@ietf.org Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2018 8:58 AM To: Paul Wells (pauwells) ; Les Ginsberg

[Lsr] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ginsberg-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv-00.txt

2018-10-19 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
to cause interoperability issues. Comments are most welcome. Les -Original Message- From: internet-dra...@ietf.org Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 11:46 AM To: Paul Wells (pauwells) ; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Subject: New Version Notification for draft-ginsberg-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv

Re: [Lsr] OSPF Routing with Cross-Address Family Traffic Engineering Tunnels - draft-ietf-ospf-xaf-te-04.txt

2018-10-24 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Support. It is a straighforward solution to the problem. Les From: Lsr On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: Monday, October 22, 2018 3:25 PM To: lsr@ietf.org Subject: [Lsr] OSPF Routing with Cross-Address Family Traffic Engineering Tunnels - draft-ietf-ospf-xaf-te-04.txt This begins an

Re: [Lsr] IS-IS over TCP

2018-11-06 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Henk/Gunter - Couple of points. 1)IS-IS PDUs are sent directly over layer 2 - whereas TCP (or other transport) are sent over Layer3. This means we have a potential fate sharing issue where IIHs (which continue to be sent over Layer 2 in your proposal (as I understand it) may be successfully

Re: [Lsr] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-20

2018-11-10 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Russ - Thanx for the review. Responses inline. > -Original Message- > From: 7ri...@gmail.com <7ri...@gmail.com> > Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2018 7:51 AM > To: rtg-...@ietf.org > Cc: rtg-...@ietf.org; draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions@ietf.org; > lsr@ietf.org > Subject:

Re: [Lsr] IS-IS over TCP

2018-11-07 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
/ . Please do not confuse the two. Les From: Robert Raszuk Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2018 12:39 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Cc: hhws...@xs4all.nl; Tony Li ; lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] IS-IS over TCP Hi Les, > There are existing and successful deployments of an insta

[Lsr] Comments on draft-chunduri-lsr-isis-mt-deployment-cons-01

2018-11-06 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Having now read the draft in its entirety... As per the discussion in the WG meeting today... I agree that MT and its relationship to address-families can be confusing. I also agree that when deploying multiple address-family support the decision to use/not-use MT can be confusing. I also agree

Re: [Lsr] WG Adoption Poll for IGP extension for PCEP security capability support in the PCE discovery - draft-wu-lsr-pce-discovery-security-support-00

2018-11-14 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Support. Les From: Lsr On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 2:11 PM To: lsr@ietf.org Subject: [Lsr] WG Adoption Poll for IGP extension for PCEP security capability support in the PCE discovery - draft-wu-lsr-pce-discovery-security-support-00 At the LSR WG

Re: [Lsr] LSR: Using DSCP for path/topology selection Q

2018-11-14 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Toerless - It's pretty hard to understand the context for your email. What leads you to believe that any of the MT specifications you mention say anything normative about DSCP and topologies?? RFC4915 does not mention DSCP at all - but does make the statement:

Re: [Lsr] IS-IS over TCP

2018-11-07 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Henk - Thanx for the thoughtful response. I'll do my best to respond in kind. Inline. > -Original Message- > From: Henk Smit > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2018 5:26 AM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > Cc: tony...@tony.li; lsr@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Lsr] IS-IS over

Re: [Lsr] Teasing us with secrets

2018-11-12 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
ginal Message- > From: Tony Li On Behalf Of tony...@tony.li > Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2018 7:40 PM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > Cc: Henk Smit ; lsr@ietf.org > Subject: Re: Teasing us with secrets > > > Les, > > > I am not "teasing". > > I

Re: [Lsr] Teasing us with secrets

2018-11-12 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
would however like us to agree that the subject of this thread is inappropriate. :-) Les > -Original Message- > From: Tony Li On Behalf Of tony...@tony.li > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2018 9:14 AM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > Cc: Henk Smit ; lsr@ietf.org > Subje

Re: [Lsr] IPR Call for draft for "Restart Signaling for IS-IS" - draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc5306bis

2018-11-13 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
I am not aware of any relevant IPR. Les From: Lsr On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 11:08 AM To: lsr@ietf.org Cc: m...@mshand.org.uk Subject: [Lsr] IPR Call for draft for "Restart Signaling for IS-IS" - draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc5306bis Les, Paul, Mike, In

Re: [Lsr] [RTG-DIR] RtgDir Review: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-15

2018-10-04 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Bruno/Julien/Benjamin – V18 of the draft has been published. I believe this addresses all outstanding comments. Thanx very much for your input. Les From: bruno.decra...@orange.com Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2018 12:56 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Acee Lindem (acee) Cc: Routing

Re: [Lsr] [RTG-DIR] RtgDir Review: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-15

2018-10-03 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Decraene Cc: Routing Directorate ; draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-...@ietf.org; rtg-...@ietf.org; Alvaro Retana ; lsr@ietf.org; Jeff Tantsura ; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; MEURIC Julien IMT/OLN Subject: Re: [Lsr] [RTG-DIR] RtgDir Review: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-15 Hi Bruno, On Oct 3

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-19.txt

2018-10-10 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Just updating Jeff's affiliation. Les > -Original Message- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of internet-dra...@ietf.org > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2018 11:06 PM > To: i-d-annou...@ietf.org > Cc: lsr@ietf.org > Subject: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-19.txt > > > A

Re: [Lsr] [RTG-DIR] RtgDir Review: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-15

2018-10-02 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Bruno – Trimming the thread… [Les2:] Label imposition is meant to cover both the SWAP operation and the PUSH operation. In the example you provided above where a label stack of “12” is replaced by a label stack of “14,15” the number of labels “imposed” is 2. [Bruno2] In that case, I definitely

Re: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption Poll for "Restart Signaling for IS-IS" - draft-ginsberg-isis-rfc5306bis-01

2018-10-01 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Thanx Acee. Renamed document has been uploaded and is awaiting WG chair approval for posting. Les From: Lsr On Behalf Of Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: Monday, October 01, 2018 7:04 PM To: lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] LSR WG Adoption Poll for "Restart Signaling for IS-IS" -

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-02.txt

2018-09-03 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
This new version addresses recently reported Errata RFC7810 (5486). Les > -Original Message- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of internet-dra...@ietf.org > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2018 6:33 AM > To: i-d-annou...@ietf.org > Cc: lsr@ietf.org > Subject: [Lsr] I-D Action:

Re: [Lsr] RtgDir Review: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-15

2018-09-24 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Julien - Thanx for your detailed review - and your patience in waiting for a response (I returned from vacation only a few days ago). I have published V16 of the draft which addresses your comments except as noted inline below. > -Original Message- > From: Julien Meuric > Sent:

Re: [Lsr] Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-15: (with COMMENT)

2018-09-24 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Warren - Thanx for the review, your kind words, and your sense of humor. I have published V16 of the draft which addresses your comments except as noted below. > -Original Message- > From: Warren Kumari > Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2018 4:52 PM > To: The IESG > Cc:

Re: [Lsr] [RTG-DIR] RtgDir Review: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-15

2018-09-26 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Julien - Thanx for the additional comments. V17 has been published to address these - subject to my responses below. See Les2 > -Original Message- > From: rtg-dir On Behalf Of Julien Meuric > Sent: Monday, September 24, 2018 8:12 AM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; rtg-...@i

Re: [Lsr] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-16

2018-09-26 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
David - Thanx for the review. A new version of the draft (17) has been published to address your comments - subject to my responses below. > -Original Message- > From: David Waltermire > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2018 12:14 PM > To: sec...@ietf.org > Cc: lsr@ietf.org; i...@ietf.org;

Re: [Lsr] Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-17: (with COMMENT)

2018-09-26 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Benjamin - Responses inline. > -Original Message- > From: Benjamin Kaduk > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 2:46 PM > To: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-...@ietf.org; Christian Hopps > ; aretana.i...@gmail.com; lsr-cha...@ietf.org; > cho...@chopps.org; lsr@ietf.org >

Re: [Lsr] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-16

2018-09-26 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Benjamin - Responses nline. > -Original Message- > From: Benjamin Kaduk > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 2:11 PM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > Cc: David Waltermire ; sec...@ietf.org; > lsr@ietf.org; i...@ietf.org; draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd@ietf

Re: [Lsr] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-16

2018-09-26 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
nical documentation should reside in other parts of the document…” I think what you propose is not consistent with the intent of the IANA section. Thanx. Les > -Original Message- > From: Benjamin Kaduk > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 4:06 PM > To: Les G

Re: [Lsr] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-16

2018-09-26 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
the IANA section as is. Les > -Original Message- > From: Benjamin Kaduk > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2018 6:21 PM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > Cc: David Waltermire ; sec...@ietf.org; > lsr@ietf.org; i...@ietf.org; draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd@ietf

Re: [Lsr] [RTG-DIR] RtgDir Review: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-15

2018-09-27 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Julien - Snipping out the resolved bits. > -Original Message- > From: Julien Meuric > Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 3:27 AM > To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; rtg-...@ietf.org > Cc: lsr@ietf.org; rtg-...@ietf.org; draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing- > m...@i

Re: [Lsr] [RTG-DIR] RtgDir Review: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-15

2018-09-27 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Alvaro – Thanx for helping drive this to closure. Please see inline. From: Alvaro Retana Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2018 10:54 AM To: Julien Meuric ; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Cc: lsr@ietf.org; draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-...@ietf.org; rtg-...@ietf.org; rtg-...@ietf.org Subject: Re

Re: [Lsr] [RTG-DIR] RtgDir Review: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-msd-15

2018-09-28 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Bruno – Inline. From: bruno.decra...@orange.com Sent: Friday, September 28, 2018 1:02 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Alvaro Retana ; MEURIC Julien IMT/OLN Cc: rtg-...@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; rtg-...@ietf.org; draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-...@ietf.org Subject: RE: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir Review

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-22.txt

2018-12-13 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
This update addresses editorial issues pointed out by Bruno and Ruediger (thanx guys). Les > -Original Message- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of internet-dra...@ietf.org > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 11:03 AM > To: i-d-annou...@ietf.org > Cc: lsr@ietf.org > Subject: [Lsr] I-D Action:

Re: [Lsr] IPR Poll for "IS-IS Routing for Spine-Leaf Topology" - draft-shen-isis-spine-leaf-ext-07

2018-12-17 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
I am not aware of any IPR applies to draft-shen-isis-spine-leaf-ext. Les From: Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 5:48 AM To: draft-shen-isis-spine-leaf-...@ietf.org Cc: lsr@ietf.org Subject: IPR Poll for "IS-IS Routing for Spine-Leaf Topology" -

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04.txt

2018-12-18 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
This version addresses review comments from Alissa and Alexey. Thanx. Les > -Original Message- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of internet-dra...@ietf.org > Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2018 7:51 AM > To: i-d-annou...@ietf.org > Cc: lsr@ietf.org > Subject: [Lsr] I-D Action:

Re: [Lsr] Suresh Krishnan's No Objection on draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04: (with COMMENT)

2018-12-20 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Done. V5 has been published. Les From: Alvaro Retana Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 7:46 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Acee Lindem (acee) ; Suresh Krishnan Cc: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) ; draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810...@ietf.org; The IESG ; lsr@ietf.org; lsr-cha...@ietf.org Subject

Re: [Lsr] Suresh Krishnan's No Objection on draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04: (with COMMENT)

2018-12-20 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
I will remove the text – though clearly I disagree with this choice. Les From: Alvaro Retana Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 4:01 AM To: Acee Lindem (acee) ; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Suresh Krishnan Cc: lsr-cha...@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; The IESG ; Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) ; draft

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc5306bis-01.txt

2018-12-13 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
This version addresses Routing Directorate review comments from Manav (thanx!!). Les > -Original Message- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of internet-dra...@ietf.org > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 5:23 PM > To: i-d-annou...@ietf.org > Cc: lsr@ietf.org > Subject: [Lsr] I-D Action:

Re: [Lsr] Available Bandwidth erratum 5486 [was: Re: AD Review of draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp-14]

2018-11-29 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-03 has been published. This addresses the inconsistency with RFC7471. Les From: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 2:46 PM To: Alvaro Retana ; John Scudder ; draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810...@ietf.org Cc: Hares

Re: [Lsr] AD Review of draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-02

2018-11-29 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Alvaro – Comments inline. From: Alvaro Retana Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 2:38 PM To: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810...@ietf.org Cc: Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) ; lsr@ietf.org; lsr-cha...@ietf.org Subject: AD Review of draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-02 Dear authors: Thanks for taking on

Re: [Lsr] Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-03

2018-12-05 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Yoshi - Thanx for taking the time to review. I can appreciate that this may the first time you have looked at RFC7810 - let alone the bis draft. As a result you have commented on content which is common to the bis draft and the RFC it is modifying (RFC 7810). While your questions in isolation

Re: [Lsr] Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-03

2018-12-07 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
to take the measurements – nor has anyone expressed concern as to any omissions in the parameters advertised. Therefore we have no reason to alter the existing text in these areas. Responses inline. From: Yoshifumi Nishida Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2018 1:31 PM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg

Re: [Lsr] Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-03

2018-12-07 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
at any time to raise questions about RFC7810/RFC7471 and the WG can decide whether it agrees that changes are needed. But that is not within the scope of this work. Les From: Alvaro Retana Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2018 9:55 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Acee Lindem (acee) ; Christian

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-21.txt

2018-12-03 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
(Resending w/o the ID announce list - please post any replies against this email please) Folks - Authors of https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions/

Re: [Lsr] I-D Action: draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions-21.txt

2018-12-03 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Folks - Authors of https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-isis-segment-routing-extensions/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ospf-ospfv3-segment-routing-extensions/ received private comments that the

Re: [Lsr] [Tsv-art] Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-03

2018-12-05 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
: Wednesday, December 05, 2018 6:41 PM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Cc: nish...@wide.ad.jp; tsv-...@ietf.org; lsr@ietf.org; IETF list ; draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Tsv-art] Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-03 Hi, Les, On Wed, Dec 5, 2018 at 6:52 PM

Re: [Lsr] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc5306bis-00 - Restart Signaling for IS-IS

2018-11-19 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Obviously as co-author I support this. This modest extension makes IS-IS GR usable for platforms which cannot reload within the normal adjacency hold-time. It also allows the helping neighbors to be aware that they have a restarting neighbor in case topology changes occur which would compromise

Re: [Lsr] [spring] draft-ietf-isis-mpls-elc & draft-ietf-ospf-mpls-elc

2018-11-19 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
, but it is not sufficient. Hope this is clear. Les From: Aijun Wang Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 10:41 PM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; stephane.litkow...@orange.com; lsr@ietf.org Cc: spr...@ietf.org Subject: 答复: [spring] draft-ietf-isis-mpls-elc & draft-ietf-ospf-mpls-elc Hi,

Re: [Lsr] Available Bandwidth erratum 5486 [was: Re: AD Review of draft-ietf-idr-te-pm-bgp-14]

2018-11-28 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Alvaro – As lead author on rfc7810bis I am happy to modify the language to be consistent with RFC7471. That seems like the far easier pathway so long as we have your assurance (which it seems we do) that this will not unduly delay progress of rfc7810bis. I do find that the fact that you

Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-isis-mpls-elc & draft-ietf-ospf-mpls-elc

2018-11-19 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Stephane - The use case for this proposal is to support inter-AS scenarios in the absence of a controller. If the WG agrees that this use case needs to be addressed I believe the proposal below is a good and viable compromise. I say "compromise" because - as you mention below - ELC/ELRD are

Re: [Lsr] LSR: Using DSCP for path/topology selection Q

2018-11-19 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
T. Les > -Original Message- > From: Acee Lindem (acee) > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 4:49 AM > To: Dongjie (Jimmy) ; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > ; Toerless Eckert ; lsr@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Lsr] LSR: Using DSCP for path/topology selection Q > > Hi Jie

[Lsr] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ginsberg-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv-01.txt

2018-12-02 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
) ; Tony Li ; Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Subject: New Version Notification for draft-ginsberg-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv-01.txt A new version of I-D, draft-ginsberg-lsr-isis-invalid-tlv-01.txt has been successfully submitted by Les Ginsberg and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-ginsberg

Re: [Lsr] Warren Kumari's No Objection on draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810bis-04: (with COMMENT)

2018-12-19 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
(Copying Mirja as well since one portion of my reply relates to her comment) Warren - Inline. > -Original Message- > From: Warren Kumari > Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 3:10 PM > To: The IESG > Cc: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-rfc7810...@ietf.org; Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) > ;

[Lsr] Open issues with Dynamic Flooding: Including LANs in the Flooding Topology

2019-04-02 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
(I have altered the subject so we can discuss the two issues in Tony's previous post separately.) There are several aspects to consider when discussing LAN support in the context of flooding optimizations: 1)Flooding topology advertisement (centralized mode only) Support for encoding LANs

Re: [Lsr] Open issues with Dynamic Flooding: Including LANs in the Flooding Topology

2019-04-02 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
not exist in the topologies where flooding optimizations will be used, not supporting LANs seems to be an undesirable restriction. Les > -Original Message- > From: Lsr On Behalf Of Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) > Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2019 8:31 AM > To: tony...@tony.li; lsr@ie

Re: [Lsr] FW: New Version Notification for draft-white-distoptflood-00.txt

2019-03-31 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Russ - The WG just went through a lengthy consideration of multiple flooding optimization drafts and selected https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lsr-dynamic-flooding/ as the vehicle for the WG to use to move forward in this area. It would be good if, in the context of the above, you

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