Re: [Lsr] "IGP Extensions for Segment Routing Service Segment"-draft-lz-lsr-igp-sr-service-segments-02
Hi Hannes, Thanks for the correction. My previous description is not accurate. What I try to say is that, the operator can run either IGP or BGP on the SF nodes based on the network deployment consideration. If a network is deployed as shown in the figure below, we can choose to use IGP to advertise the SF information intra AS and BGP-LS to collect these information per AS. SR-C ^ ^ BGP | | BGP ++ +--+ | | node1 nodeN ^ ^ | IGP | IGP +-+ +-+ |SF11 SF12 | |SFN1 SFN2 | |. | ... |. | | (IGP AS 1) | | (IGP AS N) | +-+ +-+Regards, Yao 原始邮件 发件人：HannesGredler 收件人：刘尧00165286; 抄送人：Acee Lindem ;zzhang_i...@hotmail.com ;lsr@ietf.org ; 日 期 ：2020年07月29日 15:14 主 题 ：Re: [Lsr] "IGP Extensions for Segment Routing Service Segment"-draft-lz-lsr-igp-sr-service-segments-02 Yao, BGP-LS was designed to solve also the distribution of link-state information between BGP speakers (see Figure 1 from RFC 7752 below). Just ask yourself: why would one want to use a point to multipoint state replication protocol as complex as BGP for *just* client server alike replication ? We wanted from day-1 to leverage the graph independent replication abilities of BGP - so doing inter BGP-LS graphs is a legit use-case. HTH, /hannes --- The collection of link-state and TE information and its distribution to consumers is shown in the following figure. +---+ | Consumer | +---+ ^ | +---+ | BGP | +---+ | Speaker | | Consumer | +---+ +---+ ^ ^ ^ ^ | | | | +---+ | +---+ | | | | | +---+ +---+ +---+ | BGP | | BGP | | BGP | | Speaker | | Speaker | . . . | Speaker | +---+ +---+ +---+ ^ ^ ^ | | | IGP IGP IGP Figure 1: Collection of Link-State and TE Information --- On 29.07.2020, at 03:57, liu.ya...@zte.com.cn wrote: Hi Acee, Thanks for reading the draft. Yes, the main purpose of this draft is to carry the segment segment information via IGP so only one node per AS need to be connected with the controller through BGP-LS. With the existing BGP-LS extension draft, it is certainly one solution to configure BGP sessions between all the service function nodes and controller, and each node sends the SF information to the controller individually. And if I get you right, we can also select one node to have a BGP session with the controller and configure BGP sessions between the selected node and SF nodes. But how the selected node get the SF information from SF nodes via BGP needs to be solved, since BGP-LS is typically used for exchanging information between the south and north rather than nodes of the same level, and there's no other existing BGP extension for distribute SIDs information between nodes . This draft aims to provide an alternate way if the operators prefer running IGP on SF nodes. So we would like to collect comments on the WG session to see how others think about it. Regards, Yao ___Lsr mailing listLsr@ietf.orghttps://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr 发件人：AceeLindem(acee) 收件人：刘尧00165286;zzhang_i...@hotmail.com ; 抄送人：lsr@ietf.org ; 日 期 ：2020年07月29日 01:53 主 题 ："IGP Extensions for Segment Routing Service Segment" -draft-lz-lsr-igp-sr-service-segments-02 Speaking as WG member: It seems the sole purpose of this draft is to get service segment information from nodes in the IGP domain to the IGP node that has a BGP session with the controller. You don’t need to put this information into the IGP in order to do this. Simply configure BGP sessions for the BGP-LS AF between the nodes with service functions and the node selected to have a BGP session with the controller. Speaking as WG Chair – please let me know if we can omit this draft from the agenda. Thanks, Acee___ Lsr mailing list Lsr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr
Re: [Lsr] "IGP Extensions for Segment Routing Service Segment" -draft-lz-lsr-igp-sr-service-segments-02
Thanks Hannes – this is exactly what I was suggesting rather than advertising the BGP-LS information in the IGPs. Acee From: Hannes Gredler Date: Wednesday, July 29, 2020 at 3:14 AM To: "liu.ya...@zte.com.cn" Cc: Acee Lindem , "zzhang_i...@hotmail.com" , "lsr@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Lsr] "IGP Extensions for Segment Routing Service Segment" -draft-lz-lsr-igp-sr-service-segments-02 Yao, BGP-LS was designed to solve also the distribution of link-state information between BGP speakers (see Figure 1 from RFC 7752 below). Just ask yourself: why would one want to use a point to multipoint state replication protocol as complex as BGP for *just* client server alike replication ? We wanted from day-1 to leverage the graph independent replication abilities of BGP - so doing inter BGP-LS graphs is a legit use-case. HTH, /hannes --- The collection of link-state and TE information and its distribution to consumers is shown in the following figure. +---+ | Consumer | +---+ ^ | +---+ |BGP| +---+ | Speaker | | Consumer | +---+ +---+ ^ ^ ^ ^ | | | | +---+ | +---+ | | | | | +---+ +---+ +---+ |BGP| |BGP| |BGP| | Speaker | | Speaker |. . .| Speaker | +---+ +---+ +---+ ^ ^ ^ | | | IGP IGP IGP Figure 1: Collection of Link-State and TE Information --- On 29.07.2020, at 03:57, liu.ya...@zte.com.cn<mailto:liu.ya...@zte.com.cn> wrote: Hi Acee, Thanks for reading the draft. Yes, the main purpose of this draft is to carry the segment segment information via IGP so only one node per AS need to be connected with the controller through BGP-LS. With the existing BGP-LS extension draft, it is certainly one solution to configure BGP sessions between all the service function nodes and controller, and each node sends the SF information to the controller individually. And if I get you right, we can also select one node to have a BGP session with the controller and configure BGP sessions between the selected node and SF nodes. But how the selected node get the SF information from SF nodes via BGP needs to be solved, since BGP-LS is typically used for exchanging information between the south and north rather than nodes of the same level, and there's no other existing BGP extension for distribute SIDs information between nodes . This draft aims to provide an alternate way if the operators prefer running IGP on SF nodes. So we would like to collect comments on the WG session to see how others think about it. Regards, Yao 原始邮件 发件人：AceeLindem(acee) mailto:a...@cisco.com>> 收件人：刘尧00165286;zzhang_i...@hotmail.com<mailto:zzhang_i...@hotmail.com> mailto:zzhang_i...@hotmail.com>>; 抄送人：lsr@ietf.org<mailto:lsr@ietf.org> mailto:lsr@ietf.org>>; 日 期 ：2020年07月29日 01:53 主 题 ："IGP Extensions for Segment Routing Service Segment" -draft-lz-lsr-igp-sr-service-segments-02 Speaking as WG member: It seems the sole purpose of this draft is to get service segment information from nodes in the IGP domain to the IGP node that has a BGP session with the controller. You don’t need to put this information into the IGP in order to do this. Simply configure BGP sessions for the BGP-LS AF between the nodes with service functions and the node selected to have a BGP session with the controller. Speaking as WG Chair – please let me know if we can omit this draft from the agenda. Thanks, Acee ___ Lsr mailing list Lsr@ietf.org<mailto:Lsr@ietf.org> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr ___ Lsr mailing list Lsr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr
Re: [Lsr] "IGP Extensions for Segment Routing Service Segment" -draft-lz-lsr-igp-sr-service-segments-02
Yao, BGP-LS was designed to solve also the distribution of link-state information between BGP speakers (see Figure 1 from RFC 7752 below). Just ask yourself: why would one want to use a point to multipoint state replication protocol as complex as BGP for *just* client server alike replication ? We wanted from day-1 to leverage the graph independent replication abilities of BGP - so doing inter BGP-LS graphs is a legit use-case. HTH, /hannes --- The collection of link-state and TE information and its distribution to consumers is shown in the following figure. +---+ | Consumer | +---+ ^ | +---+ |BGP| +---+ | Speaker | | Consumer | +---+ +---+ ^ ^ ^ ^ | | | | +---+ | +---+ | | | | | +---+ +---+ +---+ |BGP| |BGP| |BGP| | Speaker | | Speaker |. . .| Speaker | +---+ +---+ +---+ ^ ^ ^ | | | IGP IGP IGP Figure 1: Collection of Link-State and TE Information --- > On 29.07.2020, at 03:57, liu.ya...@zte.com.cn wrote: > > Hi Acee, > > Thanks for reading the draft. > > Yes, the main purpose of this draft is to carry the segment segment > information via IGP so only one node per AS need to be connected with the > controller through BGP-LS. > > With the existing BGP-LS extension draft, it is certainly one solution to > configure BGP sessions between all the service function nodes and controller, > and each node sends the SF information to the controller individually. > > And if I get you right, we can also select one node to have a BGP session > with the controller and configure BGP sessions between the selected node and > SF nodes. > > But how the selected node get the SF information from SF nodes via BGP needs > to be solved, since BGP-LS is typically used for exchanging information > between the south and north rather than nodes of the same level, and there's > no other existing BGP extension for distribute SIDs information between nodes > . > > This draft aims to provide an alternate way if the operators prefer running > IGP on SF nodes. > > So we would like to collect comments on the WG session to see how others > think about it. > > > > Regards, > > Yao > > > > > > > > 原始邮件 > 发件人：AceeLindem(acee) > 收件人：刘尧00165286;zzhang_i...@hotmail.com ; > 抄送人：lsr@ietf.org ; > 日 期 ：2020年07月29日 01:53 > 主 题 ："IGP Extensions for Segment Routing Service Segment" > -draft-lz-lsr-igp-sr-service-segments-02 > Speaking as WG member: > > > > It seems the sole purpose of this draft is to get service segment information > from nodes in the IGP domain to the IGP node that has a BGP session with the > controller. You don’t need to put this information into the IGP in order to > do this. Simply configure BGP sessions for the BGP-LS AF between the nodes > with service functions and the node selected to have a BGP session with the > controller. > > > > Speaking as WG Chair – please let me know if we can omit this draft from the > agenda. > > > > Thanks, > > Acee > > > > ___ > Lsr mailing list > Lsr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr ___ Lsr mailing list Lsr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr
Re: [Lsr] "IGP Extensions for Segment Routing Service Segment" -draft-lz-lsr-igp-sr-service-segments-02
Hi Acee, Thanks for reading the draft. Yes, the main purpose of this draft is to carry the segment segment information via IGP so only one node per AS need to be connected with the controller through BGP-LS. With the existing BGP-LS extension draft, it is certainly one solution to configure BGP sessions between all the service function nodes and controller, and each node sends the SF information to the controller individually. And if I get you right, we can also select one node to have a BGP session with the controller and configure BGP sessions between the selected node and SF nodes. But how the selected node get the SF information from SF nodes via BGP needs to be solved, since BGP-LS is typically used for exchanging information between the south and north rather than nodes of the same level, and there's no other existing BGP extension for distribute SIDs information between nodes . This draft aims to provide an alternate way if the operators prefer running IGP on SF nodes. So we would like to collect comments on the WG session to see how others think about it. Regards, Yao 原始邮件 发件人：AceeLindem(acee) 收件人：刘尧00165286;zzhang_i...@hotmail.com ; 抄送人：lsr@ietf.org ; 日 期 ：2020年07月29日 01:53 主 题 ："IGP Extensions for Segment Routing Service Segment" -draft-lz-lsr-igp-sr-service-segments-02 Speaking as WG member: It seems the sole purpose of this draft is to get service segment information from nodes in the IGP domain to the IGP node that has a BGP session with the controller. You don’t need to put this information into the IGP in order to do this. Simply configure BGP sessions for the BGP-LS AF between the nodes with service functions and the node selected to have a BGP session with the controller. Speaking as WG Chair – please let me know if we can omit this draft from the agenda. Thanks, Acee___ Lsr mailing list Lsr@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lsr
