Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02

2020-08-07 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
, 2020 11:46 PM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Cc: Acee Lindem (acee) ; Bruno Decraene ; lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02 Hi Les, 1)Invent a new type of SID which is associated with an area. In this case some variation of encodings defined in V2 of the draft

Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02

2020-08-07 Thread Tony Li
Hi Les, > 1)Invent a new type of SID which is associated with an area. > In this case some variation of encodings defined in V2 of the draft are > appropriate. But these aren’t backward compatible, which operators clearly want. > 2)Use a reachable address to get to the area. That address

Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02

2020-08-06 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
: Tony Li Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 2:42 PM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Cc: Acee Lindem (acee) ; Bruno Decraene ; lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02 Les, Not sure why this needs to be explained. Because we are not communicating well. We are each making

Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02

2020-08-06 Thread Tony Li
Les, > Not sure why this needs to be explained. Because we are not communicating well. We are each making unstated assumptions that do not mesh. When we do not communicate, it’s time to double check the basics. > Whether you are doing label forwarding or IP forwarding, the path of the >

Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02

2020-08-06 Thread Gyan Mishra
Hi Tony See section 3.3.1 of RFC 8402 SR Architecture https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8402#section-3.3.1 It has a nice graphical explanation of SR-MPLS Anycast usage. The concept of Anycast SID is similar to Multicast group GDA conceptually and similar to IGP routing anycast construct of

Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02

2020-08-06 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
would not like to go down that path… Les From: Tony Li Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2020 9:32 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Cc: Acee Lindem (acee) ; Bruno Decraene ; lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02 Les, There then remains the question as to whether

Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02

2020-08-06 Thread Tony Li
Les, > There then remains the question as to whether the “Area Prefix” is anycast > or unicast i.e., is it common to all IERs or is it unique to whomever gets > elected Area Leader? > > Does it matter? We have no clear semantics for this prefix. A difference that > makes no difference is

Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02

2020-08-05 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Tony - From: Tony Li Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2020 4:26 PM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Cc: Acee Lindem (acee) ; Bruno Decraene ; lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02 Les, This would make the Area Prefix mandatory for Area Proxy, which is not desired. We

Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02

2020-08-05 Thread Tony Li
Les, > This would make the Area Prefix mandatory for Area Proxy, which is not > desired. We would prefer it to remain optional and thus part of the Area SID > sub-TLV. > > [Les2:] You can advertise the Area Prefix in an optional sub-TLV – just as > you did with the Area SID. That is what I

Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02

2020-08-05 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Tony - From: Tony Li Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2020 1:08 PM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) Cc: Acee Lindem (acee) ; Bruno Decraene ; lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02 Les, a)Advertise the “Area Prefix” in the Area Proxy TLV – much as we do a router-id today

Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02

2020-08-05 Thread Gyan Mishra
Hi Bruno >From an operators perspective your creative idea of using the existing SR machinery using the node SID to advertise the Area SID in the Proxy LSP is very attractive to be able to support the feature immediately without requiring a feature upgrade to support. This idea really helps the

Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02

2020-08-05 Thread Tony Li
Les, > a)Advertise the “Area Prefix” in the Area Proxy TLV – much as we do a > router-id today in the Router-ID TLV. This would make the Area Prefix mandatory for Area Proxy, which is not desired. We would prefer it to remain optional and thus part of the Area SID sub-TLV. > b)The

Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02

2020-08-05 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Acee - From: Acee Lindem (acee) Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2020 12:31 PM To: Tony Li ; Bruno Decraene Cc: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; lsr@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02 Hi Tony, Bruno, Les, From: Lsr mailto:lsr-boun...@ietf.org>> on behalf of To

Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02

2020-08-05 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
Hi Tony, Bruno, Les, From: Lsr on behalf of Tony Li Date: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 at 11:26 AM To: Bruno Decraene Cc: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" , "lsr@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02 Hi Bruno, [Bruno] Agreed so far. Do we agree that

Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02

2020-08-04 Thread Tony Li
Hi Bruno, > > [Bruno] Agreed so far. > Do we agree that draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy uses the SID/Label sub-TLV? > We both agree that this sub-TLV has no mention of the global flag nor the > routing algoto be used. So far, we do NOT have agreement on that. Your argument yesterday

Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02

2020-08-04 Thread bruno.decraene
Les, Please see inline. From: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) [mailto:ginsb...@cisco.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 4:50 PM To: DECRAENE Bruno TGI/OLN ; lsr@ietf.org Subject: RE: draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02 Bruno - Please see inline. From: Lsr mailto:lsr-boun...@ietf.org>> On Behalf Of

Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02

2020-08-04 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Bruno - Please see inline. From: Lsr On Behalf Of bruno.decra...@orange.com Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2020 5:45 AM To: lsr@ietf.org Subject: [Lsr] draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02 Hi, I may be missing something but the SR Binding SID TLV extension is not clear to me. 1. It does not

Re: [Lsr] draft-ietf-lsr-isis-area-proxy-02

2020-07-30 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Bruno - Regarding the A-flag... It may not matter much whichever way we decide - but the A-flag was invented because at the time (prior to RFC 7794) there was no way to determine from looking at a prefix reachability advertisement whether it was originated by the advertising node or had been