Re: [LinuxBusinessHawaii] Re: [luau] OpenSourceAdvocates

2002-10-13 Thread Warren Togami
On Sat, 2002-10-12 at 22:25, Jimen Ching wrote: or Openly Sourced. It would be an equal shame to see OpenSourceAdvocates fail to take their message to the free market and allow it to compete on its merits. Can either you or Warren explain how these legislation prevent Open Source or Free

Re: [LinuxBusinessHawaii] Re: [luau] OpenSourceAdvocates

2002-10-13 Thread James A. Stroble
On Sun, 2002-10-13 at 11:29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with Warren 100% on this one. It is silly to say that open source would be competing on its own merits if you force everyone to use it. That's a dictatorship of sorts. Its like saying Sadam Housein is a great leader because he is

Re: [LinuxBusinessHawaii] Re: [luau] OpenSourceAdvocates

2002-10-13 Thread Warren Togami
On Sun, 2002-10-13 at 12:44, James A. Stroble wrote: tied up in proprietary formats. As well, a government must be able to ascertain the integrity of the data it uses, which again means that it should have access to the source code of the programs that process that data. It is not surprising

Re: [LinuxBusinessHawaii] Re: [luau] OpenSourceAdvocates

2002-10-13 Thread Eric Hattemer
Wow, these are all excellent points that I didn't even consider when I sent in my last post. However, it is also true that even without having the source handy, an organization with enough resources can do stack traces and network monitoring to make sure no spyware or anything exists in a

Re: [LinuxBusinessHawaii] Re: [luau] OpenSourceAdvocates

2002-10-13 Thread Jimen Ching
On 12 Oct 2002, Warren Togami wrote: 2) By outright banning proprietary software, we didn't compete based on merit. Instead we used non-technical means to negate the competition process. I'd rather win fairly, and people choose our software sincerely. Point of advice; if a professor asks you to

Re: [LinuxBusinessHawaii] Re: [luau] OpenSourceAdvocates

2002-10-13 Thread Jimen Ching
On Sun, 13 Oct 2002, R. Scott Belford wrote: Can either you or Warren explain how these legislation prevent Open Source or Free Software from competing on their merits? I can't because it doesn't. I can say that efforts on such legislation are wasted. These efforts would be, as my post

Re: [LinuxBusinessHawaii] Re: [luau] OpenSourceAdvocates

2002-10-13 Thread Jimen Ching
On 13 Oct 2002, Warren Togami wrote: Microsoft Word .DOC files from government is completely unacceptable, even though OpenOffice works fine. Again, the issue is what is the goal of the legislation? Is it to find the superior wordprocessor that can open a .doc file? Or is the goal to create

Re: [LinuxBusinessHawaii] Re: [luau] OpenSourceAdvocates

2002-10-13 Thread Warren Togami
On Sun, 2002-10-13 at 15:45, Jimen Ching wrote: I am curious. What do you and Warren believe is the goal of these efforts? It seems like both of your are stuck on this 'compete on merits' issue. It is hard for me to believe the _government_ cares about such things. I hope this issue does

Re: [LinuxBusinessHawaii] Re: [luau] OpenSourceAdvocates

2002-10-13 Thread Jimen Ching
On 13 Oct 2002, Eric Hattemer wrote: However, it is also true that even without having the source handy, an organization with enough resources can do stack traces and network monitoring to make sure no spyware or anything exists in a product. Would this be the best way to approach security? It

[luau] News - Blender released as GPL

2002-10-13 Thread Warren Togami
Blender is a powerful 3D design and rendering tool, now released as fully Open Source Software under the GPL license. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/10/13/1754204mode=threadtid=117 Today, Sunday oct 13, 2002, we've launched the Blender sources as GNU GPL to the Internet. Blender has become

Fw: Fw: [luau] Help with Red Hat install of rwCdRom

2002-10-13 Thread linuxdan
- Original Message - From: al plant [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: linuxdan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 9:26 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [luau] Help with Red Hat install of rwCdRom linuxdan wrote: Al Ive checked with my braintrust on this one because I was a little

[luau] News - Lessig's Thoughts On Eldred v. Ashcroft Arguments

2002-10-13 Thread Warren Togami
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/10/13/1636205mode=threadtid=99 Lawrence Lessig has updated his blog giving his thoughts on how the oral arguments for Eldred vs. Ashcroft went before the Supreme Court on Wednesday. He discusses the goals and methods he used in framing his arguments to

[luau] Fw: This is Grant

2002-10-13 Thread linuxdan
- Original Message - From: Grant Apgar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 7:51 PM Subject: This is Grant hey dan, I can't find a graphical utilite on RedHat 8.0 that allows removal of 3rd party rpm's. the package manager is only for system

[luau] RH8.0 graphical RPM management

2002-10-13 Thread Warren Togami
What he wants is apt-get and Synaptic. http://apt.freshrpms.net Download apt for Red Hat 8.0. After it is installed, type: apt-get update (This downloads the list of packages.) apt-get install synaptic(This installs synaptic.) Synaptic is a GUI frontend tool for apt