[LUAU] Re: LUAU Digest, Vol 21, Issue 8

2005-11-10 Thread Eric Jeschke
We did do an install at a Waldorf school on the Big Island a year to two ago. And there is a Big Island LUG, though I don't know how active they have been recently. The Big Island Linux Users Group has been meeting every month since Feb 2001. We have a decent sized mailing list, but most

Re: [LUAU] Re: LUAU Digest, Vol 21, Issue 8

2005-11-10 Thread Jim Thompson
Eric Jeschke wrote: We did do an install at a Waldorf school on the Big Island a year to two ago. And there is a Big Island LUG, though I don't know how active they have been recently. The Big Island Linux Users Group has been meeting every month since Feb 2001. We have a decent sized

[LUAU] The VC Squeeze, Desktop Linux and Hawaii's future

2005-11-10 Thread Jim Thompson
Read this, and understand my vision for Hawaii's future software industry. http://www.paulgraham.com/vcsqueeze.html During the Bubble, a lot of people predicted that startups would outsource their development to India. I think a better model for the future is David Heinemeier Hansson, who

[LUAU] Unix beats Windows, says Microsoft

2005-11-10 Thread Jim Thompson
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Murphy/index.php?p=459 Quoting: OK, that headline may be a bit overblown - but Microsoft Research has released part of a report on the Singularity kernel they've been working on as part of their planned shift to network computing. The report includes some performance

Re: [LUAU] Re: Hosef

2005-11-10 Thread Tim Newsham
I'm pretty versed in Python, Plone and Zope. Python's pretty easy to learn but you won't find courses which teach it. Courses don't tend to teach dynamic scripting languages exclusively. They tend to stick to the safety languages of C++, Java, etc... I always thought that python should be

Re: [LUAU] Re: Hosef

2005-11-10 Thread Hawaii Linux Institute
Tim Newsham wrote: I always thought that python should be taught to young students (elementary, high school, first year college or non-cs college interested in programming). Its fairly clean and easy to learn and use without having a deep understanding of programming. I showed my wife, who

Re: [LUAU] Re: StarBasic (Was: Hosef)

2005-11-10 Thread Hawaii Linux Institute
StarBasic Just in case anyone is interested, you can download a copy of the user manual (in pdf) below: http://www.eiu.edu/~itshelp/software/staroffice8/StarOffice_Basic_Guide_en-US.PDF Or if you prefer an on-line tutorial: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-0439 For more advanced

Re: [LUAU] Re: StarBasic (Was: Hosef)

2005-11-10 Thread R. Scott Belford
On Thursday 10 November 2005 11:42 am, Hawaii Linux Institute wrote: StarBasic Just in case anyone is interested, you can download a copy of the user manual (in pdf) below: http://www.eiu.edu/~itshelp/software/staroffice8/StarOffice_Basic_Guide_en- US.PDF Or if you prefer an on-line

Re: [LUAU] The VC Squeeze, Desktop Linux and Hawaii's future

2005-11-10 Thread Hawaii Linux Institute
Jim Thompson wrote: Just some ideas, a bit more bomb throwing @ 4am. As someone who is looking at his career/life from a rearview mirror, I probably should keep my mouth shut. But we used to represent an out-of-state VC, and it was equally frustrating for us to try to find good candidates

[LUAU] Re: Hosef

2005-11-10 Thread Julian Yap
Wayne, I think that teaching/learning StarBasic is a dead end. This is from someone who learnt Visual Basic in high school as part of the curriculum. Learning StarBasic is another vendor lock in but this time a technological one. Other than working with OpenOffice, where else are these skills

Re: [LUAU] OT: Solaris device node using World Wide Name

2005-11-10 Thread Whoever Whatever
Thank you Joe, after turning on the multipathing, the WWN devices show up. It sounds like that the box where you're seeing the controller and disk doesn't have multipathing turned on. In /kernel/drv/scsi_vhci.conf the default setting for mpxio-disable is yes, this must be changed to no;

Re: [LUAU] Re: Hosef

2005-11-10 Thread Jim Thompson
Hawaii Linux Institute wrote: Tim Newsham wrote: I always thought that python should be taught to young students (elementary, high school, first year college or non-cs college interested in programming). Its fairly clean and easy to learn and use without having a deep understanding of

Re: [LUAU] The VC Squeeze, Desktop Linux and Hawaii's future

2005-11-10 Thread Jim Thompson
Hawaii Linux Institute wrote: Jim Thompson wrote: Just some ideas, a bit more bomb throwing @ 4am. As someone who is looking at his career/life from a rearview mirror, I probably should keep my mouth shut. But we used to represent an out-of-state VC, and it was equally frustrating for us

Re: [LUAU] Re: StarBasic (Was: Hosef)

2005-11-10 Thread Hawaii Linux Institute
R. Scott Belford wrote: Thanks for the info and resources, Wayne. This is helpful. I know that in my Business Undergraduate, the process of building spreadsheets for decision analysis was very akin to programming. This made quite an impression on me; I'll work a bit harder to have our

Re: [LUAU] Re: Hosef

2005-11-10 Thread Jim Thompson
Julian Yap wrote: Wayne, I think that teaching/learning StarBasic is a dead end. This is from someone who learnt Visual Basic in high school as part of the curriculum. Learning StarBasic is another vendor lock in but this time a technological one. Other than working with OpenOffice, where

Re: [LUAU] The VC Squeeze, Desktop Linux and Hawaii's future

2005-11-10 Thread Hawaii Linux Institute
Jim Thompson wrote: yes, this kind of communication and cultural exchange is vital (and from what I can tell after 16 months on island, mostly lacking.) In the 70's, the best place to do technobusiness discussions is one of the bars just outside of MIT, or one of MIT's libraries (unlike our

[LUAU] Free Software will Make you Younger

2005-11-10 Thread R. Scott Belford
Please join us this upcoming Tuesday for our third installment of Open Source Pizza. Held at the University of Hawai`i's Marine Sciences Auditorium, you are assured a good time. Time: 5:45 to 8:30 Location: Marine Sciences Auditorium, The University of Hawaii If you want Pizza, $7 For

Re: [LUAU] Re: Hosef

2005-11-10 Thread Julian Yap
--- Jim Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Julian, I'm really looking forward to you being on-island. ... Yes, it won't be long now. :P Look forward to meeting yourself and others too. I've only been following the lists for a short while but I've read through the archives. Python (and perhaps

[LUAU] Re: [HOSEF-managers] The VC Squeeze, Desktop Linux and Hawaii's future

2005-11-10 Thread R. Scott Belford
On Thursday 10 November 2005 03:52 am, Jim Thompson wrote: HOSEF's mission needs tweaking. Introducing kids to computers is interesting and exciting, but Hawaii needs more startups, more businesses that can be run out of a spare bedroom or two. I don't come to denigrate the efforts thus

Re: [LUAU] Hosef

2005-11-10 Thread R. Scott Belford
On Tuesday 08 November 2005 09:47 pm, Jim Thompson wrote: James A. Stroble wrote: On Tue, 2005-11-08 at 19:03 -1000, Jim Thompson wrote: LUAU (Linux Users AnonymoUs) is mostly (at this point) a mailing list (hosted on HOSEF's server) for linux, free and open source advocacy in Hawaii. There

[LUAU] RE: Hosef

2005-11-10 Thread 2020 2020
I am hoping to take some programming classes at UH or KCC next semester. I'm trying to learn Python/Plone/Zope, but am interested in anything relating to computers (preferably Linux/open-source). I don't find any CS like classes at KCC. The closest I found at UH is ICS 415, but it

[LUAU] Re: LUAU Digest, Vol 21, Issue 9

2005-11-10 Thread 2020 2020
I'm pretty versed in Python, Plone and Zope. Python's pretty easy to learn but you won't find courses which teach it. Courses don't tend to teach dynamic scripting languages exclusively. They tend to stick to the safety languages of C++, Java, etc... I'd recommend learning Python or Ruby.

Re: [LUAU] RE: Hosef

2005-11-10 Thread Julian Yap
--- 2020 2020 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I ran into someone at Borders who is taking programming classess at KCC. He said they teach Java and some other things but nothing for Python. I haven't checked the catalog yet though. I am almost through an online book about Python, and am going to

[LUAU] Re: Python, Plone, Zope3, etc...

2005-11-10 Thread Julian Yap
--- 2020 2020 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is Plone that difficult? I am working with The Definitive Guide to Plone. Not in the advanced stages yet though. Not really difficult. More a nightmare to maintain. At first it's not too bad, but then it hurts you when you realise all this Through

Re: [LUAU] RE: Hosef

2005-11-10 Thread Vince Hoang
On Fri, Nov 11, 2005 at 12:06:20AM -0800, 2020 2020 wrote: I ran into someone at Borders who is taking programming classess at KCC. He said they teach Java and some other things but nothing for Python. Ask HCC. Vern Takebayashi in the ICS program is a big python fan. -Vince

[LUAU] FOSS Classes (was: Re: Hosef)

2005-11-10 Thread Michael Bishop
On Nov 9, 2005, at 2:59 PM, Jim Thompson wrote: HOSEF held a PHP class taught by a local wizard (Kevin English) once, but I've never been able to get them to repeat the class. I'd be happy to run any FOSS type class at McKinley. The biggest issue is finding the instructor and enough