Re: [LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet

2006-10-19 Thread Jim Thompson
On Oct 18, 2006, at 8:19 PM, Tim Newsham wrote: Its not that simple. Windows boxes are a heckuva lot easier to populate with the software that creates botnets. They're an open infection vector. I don't agree at all. There are sufficient server and client vulnerabilities in *BSD,

Re: [LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet

2006-10-19 Thread Tim Newsham
It's apparent that this is quickly becoming religeous. It is not my intention to start a religeous OS battle... Linux is great. I use it all the time. FreeBSD is great. I use it all the time Please. Windows is *full* of holes, and by default, it essentially runs as root (or the

Re: [LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet

2006-10-19 Thread HawaiiDakine.com
Jim Thompson wrote: On Oct 18, 2006, at 8:19 PM, Tim Newsham wrote: Its not that simple. Windows boxes are a heckuva lot easier to populate with the software that creates botnets. They're an open infection vector. I don't agree at all. There are sufficient server and client

Re: [LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet

2006-10-19 Thread Jim Thompson
On Oct 19, 2006, at 6:58 AM, Tim Newsham wrote: It's apparent that this is quickly becoming religeous. It is not my intention to start a religeous OS battle... Linux is great. I use it all the time. FreeBSD is great. I use it all the time Nice one, Tim. You throw the you're

Re: [LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet

2006-10-19 Thread Jim Thompson
I know its bad form to respond to my own posting, but I did want to add one thing. Safely running Windows on the Internet is possible, but its a lot like being locked in a souring, mildewed terror-bunker watching black water pour in over the sill as a society poisoned by Lysenkoist (*)

Re: [LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet

2006-10-19 Thread Tim Newsham
Can one write malware for a non-Windows platform? Sure. Can one run malware from a non-privileged account? Sure. Can one get people to install malware on a non-Windows platform? Sure Does Windows offer a more attractive target, especially because a) its huge installed base Yes. b) its

Re: [LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet

2006-10-19 Thread Jim Thompson
On Oct 19, 2006, at 12:54 PM, Tim Newsham wrote: Can one write malware for a non-Windows platform? Sure. Can one run malware from a non-privileged account? Sure. Can one get people to install malware on a non-Windows platform? Sure Does Windows offer a more attractive target, especially

Re: [LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet

2006-10-19 Thread Tim Newsham
Safely running Windows on the Internet is possible, but its a lot like being locked in a souring, mildewed terror-bunker watching black water pour in over the sill as a society poisoned by Lysenkoist (*) denial drowns in its own spew. I'm not sure what purpose this comment serves. It doesn't

Re: [LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet

2006-10-19 Thread Tim Newsham
If your point is that stupidity will dominate, so people will install malware no matter what kind of OS you've provided, then there is no solution short of welding the hood shut. NO USER-SERVICEABLE PARTS INSIDE. Was that your point? If so, we need a new sign: You must be at least this

Re: [LUAU] Its time to simply ban Windoze machines from the Internet

2006-10-19 Thread Jim Thompson
On Oct 19, 2006, at 1:05 PM, Tim Newsham wrote: Safely running Windows on the Internet is possible, but its a lot like being locked in a souring, mildewed terror-bunker watching black water pour in over the sill as a society poisoned by Lysenkoist (*) denial drowns in its own spew. I'm