Then please censor him in your own email account. It is not fair for us to
be exposed to your personal grievances with Joe. He, as a member of our
community, is free to be judged by the other members of the community absent
the bias of any one person.
Six years ago personal feelings got the best of good judgment. It led me to
write the following to one who was getting a bit aggressive:
Then please censor him in your own email account. It is not fair for us to
be exposed to your personal grievances with XXX. He, as a member of our
community,
Jimen is on my "good guy" list.
Jimen Ching wrote:
On 18 Oct 2002, Warren Togami wrote:
Yes, and now you're going on my blacklist. I can't stand you.
Could you put me on your blacklist as well? And I'll do the same for youon mine. Thanks.--jc
Basically my feeling is that each person should post in a manner which is
comfortable to them. If I don't want to read something I just delete it
with my Delete key. For example I delete all of my own posts. Often
I delete stuff on the intricacies of server set up or bulk email handling,
as
Message Deleted as the poster often resorts to name calling as opposed
to intelligent discussion. Now we have a new term and concept "Netrollism"
which apparently is any discussion of group policy which is in disagreement
with the self appointed list policy netiquette leader.
Warren Togami
I actually haven't stated that the LUAU operation is lousy. What I have
said is that the CLUE group doesn't suffer from these petty
disagreements over how and what to post. Basically there is free and
open discussion, a monthly meeting which almost always has a different
person doing the
Quitters are losers. I'm not quitting.
Warren Togami wrote:
I think SVLUG policy was mentioned by Gary Sublett, who later quit the
list in protest because he was completely offended by commercial posts.
That makes sense. But I think this has preoccupied enough time and
Warren has a decision to make on what action he feels needs to be taken.
If someone wants to conduct business with someone whose soliciting help
then let them do it with personal emails do not use the list to conduct
business. If
On Sun, 20 Oct 2002, Joe Linux wrote:
than just technical knowledge. A leader has to be a people person , and
good politician. Leadership isn't insulting people for their opinion
when they have solicited opinions in the first place. I find it
extremely offensive to be labeled a troll whatever
Great leadership and Linux community building. What a wonderful way to
treat your benefactors. Fantastic believe in freedom of opinion.
Naturally you are free to feel anyway you want and do anything you
want. However you have to look at what happened to Edward Baker.
Perhaps this is not an
The problem is I'm in a different time zone MST. So I just answer the
posts as the come and as most everyone is sleeping in Hawaii when I'm
responding it ends up puttng mine all in a row. In all honesty it would
be difficult to combine my responses in to single post as I just read
the Luau
On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Dustin Cross wrote:
A user asking for help with open source, no matter if they are a home user
or an individual looking to pay someone to help them set up their business
with open source is not SPAM.
I agree. It seems like the word 'SPAM' has been tossed around to mean
On 18 Oct 2002, Warren Togami wrote:
Yes, and now you're going on my blacklist. I can't stand you.
Could you put me on your blacklist as well? And I'll do the same for you
on mine. Thanks.
--jc
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Jimen Ching (WH6BRR) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 19 Oct 2002, Joe Linux wrote:
The problem is I'm in a different time zone MST. So I just answer the
posts as the come and as most everyone is sleeping in Hawaii when I'm
responding it ends up puttng mine all in a row. In all honesty it would
be difficult to combine my responses in to
On Sat, 2002-10-19 at 13:16, Jimen Ching wrote:
On 18 Oct 2002, Warren Togami wrote:
Yes, and now you're going on my blacklist. I can't stand you.
Could you put me on your blacklist as well? And I'll do the same for you
on mine. Thanks.
Although I often don't agree with your
Can we get some sort of policy on asking for someone to help you for money?
I have some suggestions ( I know I wasn't asked but what the H---).
Construct a list of people who would like to do projects, tutor or what ever
and when someone like me inquires either refer them to or send them the
Scott Belford is currently drafting a proposal for list policy. We will
post it to the list and request for comments.
On Sat, 2002-10-19 at 17:07, Neal Gay Timon wrote:
Can we get some sort of policy on asking for someone to help you for money?
I have some suggestions ( I know I wasn't asked
Okay, let's stop (indirectly) pointing fingers here... it may have been
better to personally contact Ed about his e-mails, but nobody's perfect.
If you have a problem with someone, try to take it out on them
personally; the whole list doesn't need to know. (Maybe something of
this extent can be
I think SVLUG policy was mentioned by Gary Sublett, who later quit the
list in protest because he was completely offended by commercial posts.
On Sat, 2002-10-19 at 17:50, Elayne Man wrote:
Let's learn by example experience. I remember Warren mentioning that
the Silicon Valley Linux Users
I agree fully with you, but I guess at this point I see this as problem
where a single individual is enforcing policy where no policy exists.
Now you can ask is the problem do to a lack of policy or an individual
who makes up policy on the spot, with little thought as he goes along.
Since I
If you know this, how come you immediately pounce on someone for "spamming"
when it's obvious in the first place that they are not Linux users?
I do know I dropped Oceanic Road Runner in favor of Oceanic Earthlink for
the very reason that the "SMTP" server was stalling out and we were having
Interestingly since I switched to Earthlink Cable, (through Oceanic) I
have been getting no spam, but on my old RR account which for some
reason is still active, the only thing I get is SPAM. Another benefit
of Earthlink is that you get nation wide dial up included with the
Hawaii cable modem
It seems to me, you should be the last person worried about being
personally affected by SPAM.
Warren Togami wrote:
I personally trust that a combination of the three works very well after
configuration. I have something like 99.99% effective spam filtering
now, with no false positives for
On Fri, 2002-10-18 at 03:18, Joe Linux wrote:
It seems to me, you should be the last person worried about being
personally affected by SPAM.
Yes, and now you're going on my blacklist. I can't stand you.
Warren Togami wrote:
Many of the multiple postings are the fault of Outlook Express, where in
some cases if you click Send but the SMTP server is stalling, it
sometimes sends it multiple times. I don't recall seeing any other
mailers do this.
###
Thanks for the clarification.
I only
For a while, USC was on certain lists for opening their mail servers or
accidentally opening them to relay.
-Eric Hattemer
On Thu, 2002-10-17 at 22:07, Warren Togami wrote:
.
not. While pattern matching is subject to occasional errors, blacklists
and Vipul's Razor should NEVER have
I do have to say that Warren has a point. 8 Posts in a row all about
the same subject. It would be appreciated if you could generally
combine your posts into fewer. This isn't a threaded forum.
-Eric Hattemer
On Fri, 2002-10-18 at 06:18, Joe Linux wrote:
It seems to me, you should be the
alone will only make your score perhaps 33% to the threshold point.
- Original Message -
From: Eric Hattemer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [luau] List Policy
For a while, USC was on certain lists for opening their mail servers
: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of linuxdan
Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 4:21 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [luau] List Policy
I agree with what you depict as Spam. I believe in most situations like the
starving students declaration, people are looking for a cheap way
Dusty
I agree with what you are saying. I just meant to use the
starving students analogy as an example and not to point fingers. Im sure
that the gentleman has legitimate questions and needs help. Im just
refering to business people who could donate equipment or resources to help
Dustin Cross wrote:
Aloha,
Come on guys, this has been blown WAY out of proportion! This was someone
asking for help. The second guy said he heard about linux from the CompUSA
thing and wanted help. This list used to be about helping people and not
chastising them for asking for help!
Aloha,
I think SPAM is pretty obvious. Someone sending e-mail about joining thier
porn site or send them $50 for their get rich quick program, that is SPAM.
A user asking for help with open source, no matter if they are a home user
or an individual looking to pay someone to help them set up
On Thu, 2002-10-17 at 17:28, al plant wrote:
At last a reasonable voice. I believe the person was only asking for
help too.
By the way there are some people on this list who send two or three mail
postings each time they make a comment. I don't think it is intentional
or spam. In fact it
On Thu, 2002-10-17 at 18:07, Dustin Cross wrote:
A user asking for help with open source, no matter if they are a home user
or an individual looking to pay someone to help them set up their business
with open source is not SPAM.
Someone that advertises for their new opensource friendly ISP
Warren,
This was supposed to say it SHOULDN'T be considered a problem.
I use postfix and squirrelmail for everything. I have tried some of the
spam filters and they get a little more than half of it, but they also get
mail that isn't SPAM some times, so I just deal with it and delete! For a
On Thu, 2002-10-17 at 18:50, Dustin Cross wrote:
Warren,
This was supposed to say it SHOULDN'T be considered a problem.
I use postfix and squirrelmail for everything. I have tried some of the
spam filters and they get a little more than half of it, but they also get
mail that isn't SPAM
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