[LUAU] Precise Pangolin is looking good

2012-03-20 Thread Jeff Mings
Hi all!

Ubuntu's latest long-term-support release, 12.04, is only in beta
1, but it seems to be very polished already.  I tried the previous
alpha, and had install problems.  I'll probably even use it for a
production box, unless I find any problems.

As many others have said, the ClassicMenu Indicator package tames
the Unity madness by bringing back the application menu.  Without this
one addon, I wouldn't be able to stand the Unity UI.

Aloha,
-Jeff Mings
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Re: [LUAU] Precise Pangolin is looking good

2012-03-20 Thread Julian Yap
I've been a long time desktop Linux user but the recent Gnome3 and Unity has 
soured my hopes of the future.

I still run Fedora 16 on of my work PCs but I switched it to Gnome 3 fallback 
mode (kind of like Gnome 2 but crappy).

The argument with Linux is 'just install x desktop' but the problem is if you 
don't have sane and usable defaults from the outset you're already off to bad 
start with users.

- Julian




 From: Jeff Mings je...@lava.net
To: LUAU@lists.freesoftwarehawaii.org 
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 11:26 PM
Subject: [LUAU] Precise Pangolin is looking good
 
Hi all!

    Ubuntu's latest long-term-support release, 12.04, is only in beta
1, but it seems to be very polished already.  I tried the previous
alpha, and had install problems.  I'll probably even use it for a
production box, unless I find any problems.

    As many others have said, the ClassicMenu Indicator package tames
the Unity madness by bringing back the application menu.  Without this
one addon, I wouldn't be able to stand the Unity UI.

Aloha,
-Jeff Mings
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Re: [LUAU] Precise Pangolin is looking good

2012-03-20 Thread Peter Besenbruch
On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 03:15:31 -0700 (PDT)
Julian Yap julian_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I've been a long time desktop Linux user but the recent Gnome3 and Unity has
 soured my hopes of the future.

I encountered my Linux desktop crisis with the transition to KDE4. Running
Debian Lenny helped put it off for a while. With Squeeze the issue was the use
of the not quite ready for prime time KDE4.4 and the ruination of the KDEPIM
packages. Thus began a transition to Ubuntu Lucid or Mint Isadora with XFCE.

A similarly equipped Debian runs faster and requires less RAM than either
Ubuntu or Mint, though.

 I still run Fedora 16 on of my work PCs but I switched it to Gnome 3 fallback
 mode (kind of like Gnome 2 but crappy).

Have you checked into any of Mint's alternatives. I agree with your assessment
of Gnome 3 Fallback.

 The argument with Linux is 'just install x desktop' but the problem is if you
 don't have sane and usable defaults from the outset you're already off to bad
 start with users.

True. However I don't think Fedora has enough Linux market share to influence
things. Ubuntu does, and that is why this crazy shift to Unity is causing such
pain. The issues with Gnome may improve through the use of extensions. A
properly done Gnome 3 distro will be evaluated in part on its use of them.
Again, Mint has garnered early praise on this front.

As for myself, I don't like things that are quite so bleeding edge as Fedora.
When I purchase a new machine, it tends to get Debian installed, given that I
value stability over the latest and greatest. Since I know what is coming with
Wheezy, I have stayed with XFCE instead of Gnome.

A number of Fedora respins have also stayed with Gnome 2: Blag, Fuduntu, and
Fusion are three that have done so.

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