Re: [LUAU] Dealing with the Bleeding Edge

2007-07-13 Thread Julian Yap
On Thu, 2007-07-12 at 16:38 -1000, Peter Besenbruch wrote:
 Fedora's desktop is a lot prettier, though. If 
 they would only use APT for RPM, I would be quite satisfied. ;)

Would this work? :P

$ yum info apt
Loading installonlyn plugin
Available Packages
Name   : apt
Arch   : i386
Version: 0.5.15lorg3.2
Release: 10.fc7
Size   : 980 k
Repo   : updates
Summary: Debian's Advanced Packaging Tool with RPM support
Description:
APT-RPM is a port of Debian's apt tools for RPM based distributions.
It provides the apt-get utility that provides a simple, safe way to
install and upgrade packages. APT features complete installation
ordering, multiple source capability and several other useful
features.


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Re: [LUAU] Dealing with the Bleeding Edge

2007-07-13 Thread Peter Besenbruch

Julian Yap wrote:

On Thu, 2007-07-12 at 16:38 -1000, Peter Besenbruch wrote:
Fedora's desktop is a lot prettier, though. If 
they would only use APT for RPM, I would be quite satisfied. ;)


Would this work? :P

$ yum info apt


Unfortunately, they don't seem to emphasize it. Does APT even work with 
the official repositories?


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Re: [LUAU] Dealing with the Bleeding Edge

2007-07-13 Thread Julian Yap
On Thu, 2007-07-12 at 22:22 -1000, Peter Besenbruch wrote:
 Julian Yap wrote:
  On Thu, 2007-07-12 at 16:38 -1000, Peter Besenbruch wrote:
  Fedora's desktop is a lot prettier, though. If 
  they would only use APT for RPM, I would be quite satisfied. ;)
  
  Would this work? :P
  
  $ yum info apt
 
 Unfortunately, they don't seem to emphasize it. Does APT even work with 
 the official repositories?

apt == yum
deb == rpm

$ sudo yum install apt
...
Installed: apt.i386 0:0.5.15lorg3.2-10.fc7
$ sudo apt-get update
You don't seem to have one or more of the needed GPG keys in your RPM
database.
Importing them now...
Error importing GPG keys
Get:1 http://download.fedora.redhat.com fedora/linux/updates/7/i386/
repomd.xml [1953B]
Get:2 http://download.fedora.redhat.com
fedora/linux/releases/7/Everything/i386/os/ repomd.xml [2145B]
Get:3 http://rpm.livna.org 7/i386/ repomd.xml [2142B]
Fetched 6240B in 1s (5052B/s)
Get:1 http://download.fedora.redhat.com fedora/linux/updates/7/i386/
primary.xml [620kB]
Get:2 http://rpm.livna.org 7/i386/ primary.xml [82.0kB]
Get:3 http://download.fedora.redhat.com fedora/linux/updates/7/i386/
filelists.xml [2466kB]
Get:4 http://rpm.livna.org 7/i386/ filelists.xml [63.3kB]
Get:5 http://download.fedora.redhat.com
fedora/linux/releases/7/Everything/i386/os/ primary.xml [2670kB]
Get:6 http://download.fedora.redhat.com
fedora/linux/releases/7/Everything/i386/os/ filelists.xml [6462kB]
Fetched 12.4MB in 27s (444kB/s)
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done


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Re: [LUAU] Dealing with the Bleeding Edge

2007-07-13 Thread Peter Besenbruch

On Thu, 2007-07-12 at 22:22 -1000, Peter Besenbruch wrote:
Unfortunately, they don't seem to emphasize it. Does APT even work with 
the official repositories?


Julian Yap wrote:


apt == yum
deb == rpm

$ sudo yum install apt
...
Installed: apt.i386 0:0.5.15lorg3.2-10.fc7
$ sudo apt-get update


I will give it a whirl tomorrow.

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[LUAU] Dealing with the Bleeding Edge

2007-07-12 Thread Peter Besenbruch
I made a mistake the other day by purchasing a motherboard with a brand 
new chipset (released in June). It is a Biostar TForce TF7025-M2. It is 
a socket AM2 board with an Nvidia 630a chipset, and integrated Nvidia 
7025 graphics. It cames with Realtek NIC and some generic, built in sound.


I like it for its support for 4 SATA devices, lots of USB ports, along 
with PS2 keyboard and mouse ports. It also accepts 4 gig. of RAM in 4 slots.


I already had Debian installed, running a 2.6.21 kernel and Nvidia 
graphics, and decided to let it handle things. It didn't. It could only 
see one hard drive. The nv graphics driver wouldn't work, either. 
Networking worked, but streaming from the machine was erratic - lots of 
dropouts, regardless of the machine connecting to it. Grabbing a 2.6.22 
kernel from sidux.com brought the second hard drive back, but network 
performance remained bad.


For fun, I tried booting other distros. Ubuntu Feisty and PCLOS 2007 
would boot, but failed to mount the very conventional, PATA DVD burner. 
Both dropped into a busybox shell within seconds of booting. Fedora 7's 
installer actually saw all the drives, so I decided, what the heck, 
and tried it.


Everything worked, except the networking. It still had the same trouble. 
LSPCI has more occurrences of the word unknown than I would like (but 
that was true of Debian, as well). Eventually, I stuck in a Linksys NIC, 
and my problems went away.


The last Fedora I had dealt with was version 5. 7 looks a lot prettier. 
Debian works better with a Sidux kernel than Fedora; Samba appears to 
work with fewer issues. Fedora's desktop is a lot prettier, though. If 
they would only use APT for RPM, I would be quite satisfied. ;)


I suspect that six months from now Linux support will be a lot better.

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