Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy Slow)
i agree with c david rigby, in that maybe we can have a barebone system, and instead of having installers in the install process, maybe have some meta packages in the repo's where a user can download the 'full multimedia desktop' or the 'professional office tools' Jon York Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:11:37 +0100 From: andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com To: gbiz...@gmail.com CC: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy Slow) I have a small script the guts the system of all the fluff I do not need. These days I use the minimal ISO and install from the repos what I need. So much better. My root partitions is currently 2Gb with the desktop + web browse + vlc + transmission + pidgin + some plugins. Bliss On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Glen Bizeau gbiz...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, Keep it small and lean, and apt-get anything you need. The one question I think needs to be answered is Are we making a distro for newbies? If we are then you will need a bunch of standard default apps... If not, which I think in my personal experience with Linux and LXDE, this will probably only be attractive to the more experienced user, who like myself ends up uninstalling all the crap that comes with Ubuntu anywayI think it should be mean and lean and if you want something, go fetch it. Synaptic should be front and center though, is a launcher so it's easy ti find. And maybe a desktop document on the default install explaining about the distro and why it is what it is, and how to get software. my two-cents Glen On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Andrew Woodheadandrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com wrote: This is kinda surplus, the system is still ubuntu based so the standard repos can be used to install apps if they are needed. If the OS is going to be as it says below, you may as well install a minimal install then have a gui to select apps which can then be installed off the repos. This however isn't the case, we are trying to make a smalland efficient distro with a decent amount of functionality without bloating the system with the likes of evolution, openoffice and firefox. These are fully installable once the installation has completed but the initial base system should be slick and quick On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:14 AM, C David Rigby c.david.ri...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 18:40 +0100, Ed Hewitt and several others wrote: discussion of keep it light or feature complete elided Restating the obvious, but the engineering trade off is always between ease of use/fully featured on the one hand and lightweight on the other. The necessary criterion is to decide what we really want to build, and make it unique and useful enough to attract interest. I've proposed it before, but I'll say it again as more people are on the list now (sorry that I've missed the IRC meetings for the last two weeks where the app mix has been the topic of discussion). How about the possibility of a very slim base install with the installer offering bundles to meet individual needs and desires? Something like the FreeBSD or Debian text installers comes to mind. The base installation would be just a command-line, network-capable system plus enough of X to get LXDE operational. We would be pushing the real work to the installer. The installer, whether text-based or grahpical, would need to provide a lot of choices of bundles to install. More importantly, I think the installer should provide something I have yet to see. That something is extensive documentation of the choices of bundles of applications, and what they mean in terms of system performance vs features. It should be organized so that a savvy user could bypass the explanations (or load a jumpstart script), but a novice would get a detailed explanation of what the choices are and what they mean for the final installed system. My $0.02. Cheers C David Rigby ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp attachment: 360.gif___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy Slow)
hi all, I think lubuntu should not meant for geeks only. It should appeal to the mass just like ubuntu is for. As for applications, we should not think too much about the disk space, as disk space is not very critical less than cpu and ram nowadays, but it's good to keep it below 2 GB after installation ... And before installation, things are compressed into livecd, keep it under a livecd rather than livedvd. We should look at the memory requirements and cpu utilization more than disk space. This is what I saw as lightweight. As for user friendly, normal users should not configure too much out of box. It would make the distro unfriendly if the normal users have to configure like geeks. I know there are lots of geeks thoughts when designing the distro, but we should look at the demography of people who will be using it, and which area of people should we create the distro for, and also we should think more of the mass, rather than ourselves, it's because we are more experience in linux, does not mean a normal person who has no experience in linux can think like us. Regards John Thng On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Glen Bizeau gbiz...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, Keep it small and lean, and apt-get anything you need. The one question I think needs to be answered is Are we making a distro for newbies? If we are then you will need a bunch of standard default apps... If not, which I think in my personal experience with Linux and LXDE, this will probably only be attractive to the more experienced user, who like myself ends up uninstalling all the crap that comes with Ubuntu anywayI think it should be mean and lean and if you want something, go fetch it. Synaptic should be front and center though, is a launcher so it's easy ti find. And maybe a desktop document on the default install explaining about the distro and why it is what it is, and how to get software. my two-cents Glen On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Andrew Woodheadandrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com wrote: This is kinda surplus, the system is still ubuntu based so the standard repos can be used to install apps if they are needed. If the OS is going to be as it says below, you may as well install a minimal install then have a gui to select apps which can then be installed off the repos. This however isn't the case, we are trying to make a smalland efficient distro with a decent amount of functionality without bloating the system with the likes of evolution, openoffice and firefox. These are fully installable once the installation has completed but the initial base system should be slick and quick On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:14 AM, C David Rigby c.david.ri...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 18:40 +0100, Ed Hewitt and several others wrote: discussion of keep it light or feature complete elided Restating the obvious, but the engineering trade off is always between ease of use/fully featured on the one hand and lightweight on the other. The necessary criterion is to decide what we really want to build, and make it unique and useful enough to attract interest. I've proposed it before, but I'll say it again as more people are on the list now (sorry that I've missed the IRC meetings for the last two weeks where the app mix has been the topic of discussion). How about the possibility of a very slim base install with the installer offering bundles to meet individual needs and desires? Something like the FreeBSD or Debian text installers comes to mind. The base installation would be just a command-line, network-capable system plus enough of X to get LXDE operational. We would be pushing the real work to the installer. The installer, whether text-based or grahpical, would need to provide a lot of choices of bundles to install. More importantly, I think the installer should provide something I have yet to see. That something is extensive documentation of the choices of bundles of applications, and what they mean in terms of system performance vs features. It should be organized so that a savvy user could bypass the explanations (or load a jumpstart script), but a novice would get a detailed explanation of what the choices are and what they mean for the final installed system. My $0.02. Cheers C David Rigby ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list:
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy Slow)
I would say LXDE is lighter than Xfce, the LXDE developers seem to think so. I think 64mb Minimum is enough. 2009/6/30 Andrew Woodhead andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com http://wiki.xfce.org/minimum_requirements May help to guide I'd say 300Mhz CPU + 192Mb RAM On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:50 PM, jon york jr_...@hotmail.com wrote: Good point ed, we are forgetting our requirements, and getting head of ourselves. so now that we are mostly agreed on being small and lightweight, what will be the minimum and recommended specs? Jon York -- Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:07:11 +0100 From: edwardahew...@googlemail.com To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy Slow) I believe its a bad idea having different versions of Lubuntu, having different meta packages of Lubuntu is not what lubutnu needs. Its all about lightweight distro. The Ubuntu guidelines requires the distro to have one build, lubuntu-desktop. All we need to do is make sure that this single meta package is bundled with a few lightweight apps for the end user to require out of the box which works well with the LXDE environment. -- www.edhewitt.co.uk ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktophttps://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktophttps://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktophttps://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktophttps://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- www.edhewitt.co.uk ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
