[Lubuntu-desktop] [Blueprint mobile-karmic-lxde-ubuntu-desktop] Build a very lightweight desktop for ubuntu based on lxde
Blueprint changed by David Sugar: Whiteboard changed to: Work Items: Application Selection with Community Input: DONE Lubuntu Seed Creation: TODO Art Work Ubuntuizations: TODO Time estimate: 2 weeks lool, 2009-06-26: changed to drafting on the request of David Sugar as he needs to talk to lubuntu people. dyfet, 2009-06-26: because we are specifying packages for a seed, and the lubuntu people may have different package selection requirements and proposals, we need to move this back to draft to coordinate with lubuntu effort to make sure we don't have different or otherwise conflicting lxde efforts. -- Build a very lightweight desktop for ubuntu based on lxde https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-karmic-lxde-ubuntu-desktop ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu project questions - seeds
The solution to bandwidth issues in my opinion is NOT to make something like, for example, Open Office, a part of the seed for Lubuntu spin and install, but rather something that can be placed on a CD, if a full size CD media is put together and burned, and optionally installed then without needing to go remote. The goal for a default install of Lubuntu I feel strongly should be close to 64M ram/256m disk. This also allows for a normal Lubuntu iso image to be on much smaller CD form factor if so desired. This is not just about obsolete hardware; there are new devices being made and sold that would benefit as well. Hence, at least to me, the question of what should be on a Lubuntu seed, which I think must be small, and what can be optionally distributed alongside on full sized media, are entirely different questions. John Thng wrote: We have discussed the problems as before. There are mentions previously that people in third world countries are living with limited internet bandwidth unlike people in developed countries with large or unlimited internet bandwidth. Thus, it'll be good if the distro bundled usable applications inside instead of the people finding ways on how to download the applications in. There should be a compromise point. It is possible to make the spec as low as possible, but does it surf the purpose of usability over normal people or the distro is purely for geeks to use. As for my point of view, it should be light but at the same time, usability is important, thus making it a bit different. We don't want people in low internet bandwidth hunting for bandwidth to load usable daily applications. There's a need for compromising. We can't restrict too much till it's a geek distro which does not care about the usability. I know there are distros putting lightweight apps, but does it solve the usability problem with lightweight. I'm not sure what the big picture is, but lubuntu should be for everyone, young till old, developed or developing countries, and not too restrictive to make it hard and user friendly to use too. It's pretty sad that some applications are bloated, but do we have the choice not to use them, but even if we do have the choice, will the usability of the distro be affected much. Some might believe that Lubuntu will be the solution for people living in developing countries with no/limited bandwidth. Some believe Lubuntu should run on old computers in developed countries. But I would choose for usable Lubuntu that benefits more people with no/limited bandwidth than keeping people with old computers or geeks happy. For people with old computers or those lightweight geeks, I think other distro might surf better for the purpose. And last time during discussion, OpenOffice.org is chosen is because compatibility issues and also presentation program. In addition, I do think OpenOffice.org would surf as a need to bridge those in developing countries to the world. Regards John Thng ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp begin:vcard fn:David Sugar n:Sugar;David org:Canonical adr:;;United States email;internet:david.su...@canonical.com title:Mobile Developer tel;work:+1 609 465 5336 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.canonical.com version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu project questions - again
To reply to the message that I forwarded earlier: 2009/7/23 Andrew Woodhead andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com: In my opinion: 1- what will Lubuntu offer that any other version of *buntu does not offer? Lubuntu will offer a reactive DE, XUbuntu previously offered this but seems to have lost sight of its target I would like to hear some evidence of this. I have tried both and certainly Xubuntu seems lighter than GNOME to me. 2- what kind of performance increase shall we see with Lubuntu? LXDE is a very light DE so much less RAM is used over Gnome or KDE. Most of the default apps chosen are also light on the system which preserves its snappines. Obviously users are free to remove and add heavier more feature rich options but the default aims to provide a decent level of performance. That is, if I may say so, a bit of a cop-out. Just a lighter-weight desktop with the same suite of relatively heavyweight apps will make relatively little overall difference to the RAM or disk footprint of a distro. And for what it's worth, I've tried full GNOME Ubuntu recently on a couple of low-end machines: at Yule, on a Pentium II 400MHz with 256MB of RAM, and more recently, on an Athlon 750MHz with 192MB RAM. Both had 20GB EIDE hard disks and DVD-ROM drives. It works very well, booting significantly quicker than Windows 2000 and running quite well. Applications do load slowly, but they are usable; switching apps is slow, and the systems bogged down if lots of apps were loaded, but one at a time, they were fine. I also tried Xubuntu on the PII system. It was no quicker, and significantly, for a beginner, I was not able to lock the system down by, for instance, locking icons and controls into place on the panel. What I conclude from this is: [1] that actually, current Ubuntu copes quite well with a low-end Windows XP or even Windows 2000 PC. The small benefits offered by Xubuntu are not really worth the drop in functionality of the simpler desktop and they don't make the distro any more suitable to low-end hardware. [2] to effectively target low-end machines that cannot usefully run Windows XP or 2000, we need to do something considerably more drastic than just swap the desktop environment. 4- is Lxde ready for its own *Buntu variant? Sure is, There is even MoonOS but it is not an official release. The other 'major' DEs have their own release so why not LXDE. The answer to the question why not is: what benefit does it bring? Why should someone use Lubuntu instead of Ubuntu itself? 5- how will Lubuntu compared to Xubuntu in terms of GB install, Ram usage, performance and functionality? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=120972 LXDE is lighter which will free up more resources for user apps on mid range systems, and allow older systems to be used. As I've commented above, on its own, this is not enough. -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/liamproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AOL/AIM/iChat/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven • LiveJournal/Twitter: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
