Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] IRC and Documentation
On 9/22/2010 6:13 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote: Hiyas gang Before I start this long email, I wish to put on record my gratitude to Nathan (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/nhandler) who along with others does the 'behind the scenes' stuff generally and helps me and the project so much. (hints to Julien to put a testimonial application on his wiki page). _*IRC channel spammers and trolls*_ If there is a 'troll' in the room, the simple rule is Do Not Feed The Trolls, totally ignore them, carry on your conversation, they will get bored and leave. If the room is attacked by a spammer / troll who is disrupting, then you need to issue the command !ops Issuing !ops | SoAndSo is spamming or !ops | SoAndSo is trolling does help the IRC Op's to know what it is they are walking into. I cannot stress highly enough that Remind them that when they do that, a notice will show up in #ubuntu-irc . So abuse will really annoy some members of the community (as well as OPs who get hiighted) The !ops command is to be used as a last resort, else we will lose people from the community who will come on and moderate / ban them if it used without good reason. Misuse could well result you in being banned at the IP address level from all the IRC freenode chat areas and a lot of forums. _*IRC Logging*_ Nathan has also given me contact details to go and 'nag' for the logging bot, which I will be doing tomorrow. *_Factoids_* *_ _* With the introduction of ubot5, you can issue commands such as !grub2 in the channel which will point someone to where to get detailed information, if you come across the same request / question being asked often, will you let me know and I'll put it forward to be a factoid. (Adds pcmanfm to the list of requests). Whilst we are still a young project, such documentation links are really useful for the I recall that, but don't know how to do it moments. *_Documentation_* If any of you have any how to's but are concerned that they do not meet 'official' standards on how documents / help areas are written or formatted, please forward them to me. We will gladly 'tidy' them up so others may benefit. I'm currently investigating what is required for 11.04 and will keep you all updated. Gee, you actually read this far :-) Regards, Phill. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp Oh, and don't forget me concerning wiki/documentation...lol. FTW on the log bot Phill! -- Respectfully, Zach Kriesse A rule I have had for years is: to treat the Lord Jesus Christ as a personal friend. His is not a creed, a mere doctrine, but it is He Himself we have. ~Dwight L. Moody ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?
Am 22.09.2010 23:34, schrieb Gilles: At 23:21 22/09/2010, Leszek Lesner wrote: Here are commands summed up. 1. DD (2GB Persistency Image): dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/your_path_to_usbstick/casper-rw bs=1024 count=2000 2. Format the persistent image mkfs.ext2 /media/your_path_to_usbstick/casper-rw 3. Add persistent to your bootoptions 4. Reboot Thanks again. I'll try that tomorrow morning and report back. Out of curiosity, what does Linux save in this second partition, used for persistence between reboots? Is it just a symlink to /etc? I currently use a 1GB stick, so I was thinking of booting Linux from the hard-disk/CD, shrink the current Linux on the USB stick to make room for the persistent partition, and create/format a 200MB ext2 partition for persistent data. Persistency(with casper-rw) will save all the changes to files comparing with the live system data. So applications that you installed later with apt-get and even configuration files you created in your home folder. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Installing Gparted to running USB key?
Am 23.09.2010 14:03, schrieb Gilles: Hello I need to resize an NTFS partition that contains XPSP3. Since I have a working Lubuntu live USB key, I was wondering if I could just run apt-get to install Gparted and its dependencies, instead of burning the Gparted live ISO? http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php You can just install gparted on your lubuntu live usb stick. Thank you. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?
On Thursday 23,September,2010 08:55 PM, Leszek Lesner wrote: Persistency(with casper-rw) will save all the changes to files comparing with the live system data. So applications that you installed later with apt-get and even configuration files you created in your home folder. How about kernel upgrades (as in 2.6.35-22-generic from 2.6.35-21-generic), does that keep that too? If not, how to endure it does or at least how to make sure the new kernel boots up the next time? Regards - Goh Lip ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?
Am 23.09.2010 15:23, schrieb Goh Lip: On Thursday 23,September,2010 08:55 PM, Leszek Lesner wrote: Persistency(with casper-rw) will save all the changes to files comparing with the live system data. So applications that you installed later with apt-get and even configuration files you created in your home folder. How about kernel upgrades (as in 2.6.35-22-generic from 2.6.35-21-generic), does that keep that too? If not, how to endure it does or at least how to make sure the new kernel boots up the next time? Kernel changes will be also changed but only in the persistency file. As the bootloader normaly searches for a vmlinuz and initrd on the fat32 portion of a usb stick, you need to replace the old vmlinuz and initrd files on your usb sticks casper directory. Regards - Goh Lip ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?
At 15:23 23/09/2010, Goh Lip wrote: How about kernel upgrades (as in 2.6.35-22-generic from 2.6.35-21-generic), does that keep that too? If not, how to endure it does or at least how to make sure the new kernel boots up the next time? Apparently, the kernel (vmlinuz + possibly initrd.(lz/gz)) live outside the live root file system filesystem.squashfs, so must be copied manually in \casper after mounting the USB key in the running Lubuntu. I'd also like to know if the persistence described above does save all the changes made through apt-get, or just configuration files in /etc. Thank you. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?
On Thursday 23,September,2010 09:29 PM, Leszek Lesner wrote: Kernel changes will be also changed but only in the persistency file. As the bootloader normaly searches for a vmlinuz and initrd on the fat32 portion of a usb stick, you need to replace the old vmlinuz and initrd files on your usb sticks casper directory. Thanks, Leszek, no wonder kernel changes didn't work for me in the past. Er, maybe I have to also rename initrd.img to initrd.lz, and move to the casper directory? Hopefully there is no need to do a update-initramfs -u, but I'll watch out for it. Wonderful, you gave me an idea. I'll have to give it a try next time. - My Lubuntu is a 'real install' on a usb stick, but I am not complaining! It is far far better than a live stick. Thanks and regards - Goh Lip ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] BUG: 10.10 Beta1: MAJOR GRUB ISSUE
Hi all, Grub does not detect all partitions possibly because a system has both a rescue partition and a main partition for Windows. Happened to me on 2 Vista machines. Reinsalling Vista did not fix the problem. Also tried to reinstall GRUB and update it without success. Also tried and failed with the Vista bootrec commands. For newbies and many Linux users, this is a worst case horror scenario. People are going to be furious, installing side-by-side and loosing access to Windows totally. Many will never come back to Linux... meaning also less support... I finally added an entry to grub.cfg (which will be deleted at the next update) but most newbies and many Linux users will not know how to do this. The partition and boot info was there, all GRUB had to do was list it! THIS ABSOLUTELY NEED TO BE FIXED... BETTER ONE ADDITIONAL ENTRY THAN A MAIN ONE MISSING! Thanks. Great Work! -- Pierre Champagne pierrewinni...@yahoo.ca http://wavesofthefuture.net ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?
On Thursday 23,September,2010 09:36 PM, Gilles wrote: Apparently, the kernel (vmlinuz + possibly initrd.(lz/gz)) live outside the live root file system filesystem.squashfs, so must be copied manually in \casper after mounting the USB key in the running Lubuntu. I'd also like to know if the persistence described above does save all the changes made through apt-get, or just configuration files in /etc. I sent a message without receiving your message yet. Yes, you're right, it does live outside, in the casper directory. And from my (limited) experience with casper, casper-rw and persistent, so far all changes I've made stick (keeps), including applications, settings and so far with the main exception of kernel changes, and that to me is an important one, so I did not use this live booting except to test out new alpha versions of kubuntu. But I've found Lubuntu to an excellent OS to boot direct from a usb, unlike say, Ubuntu Netbook Remix and even the smaller distros like Puppy or DSL. So I am typing this from a 'direct install' of Lubuntu from a usb stick even when I have Kubuntu and others on the hard disk. I'm loving it! Regards - Gph Lip ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?
At 15:46 23/09/2010, Goh Lip wrote: Hopefully there is no need to do a update-initramfs -u, but I'll watch out for it. What does update-initramfs -u? Wonderful, you gave me an idea. I'll have to give it a try next time. - My Lubuntu is a 'real install' on a usb stick, but I am not complaining! It is far far better than a live stick. What's a real install on a USB stick, and how does it differ from a live stick? Do you mean that the former is persistent, while the latter is the default ISO image? BTW, instead of making the USB key persistent, I'm really looking at how to boot with the current image, perform apt-get to add/update/remove packages, save this running instance into an external ISO, so that I can flash a bunch of USB keys with all my users need. Does someone have information on how to do this with Lubuntu? Thank you. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?
At 16:30 23/09/2010, Goh Lip wrote: But just to add or elaborate, what I did was to install Lubuntu like to a hard disk but it is to a usb stick instead. That's the whole explanation. The advantages are that, of course, there is no need for persistent or casper-rw, and things should process faster. There might be some things to watch out for, like setting grub to hard disk instead of to the usb stick, as some have found out. Sounds good. However, the image that is sent to the USB key is the current Lubuntu ISO, while I need to remove most of the items in the Menu, add a couple of applications, so I guess this is not what I need, and I should look at remastering the ISO from the customized, running USB key. Normally, at every kernel change, the system will, besides updating the grub menu or grub.cfg, it will create both the initrd and syslink and /vmlinuz and syslink to /root. However, until recently, I noticed Lubuntu was not doing this, as compared to ubuntu and kubuntu. Also even if it does this now, we had to take care that it is done to the casper directory instead and named properly, as Leszek has just pointed out to me just now. BTW, does someone know exactly how initrd.(gz|lz) is built? Am I correct in thinking it's just grabbing everything in /lib/modules/ and compressing them in a single file? Thank you. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?
Sounds good. However, the image that is sent to the USB key is the current Lubuntu ISO, while I need to remove most of the items in the Menu, add a couple of applications, so I guess this is not what I need, and I should look at remastering the ISO from the customized, running USB key. I'm quite a bit over my head here, compared to the others, but if you're running on a read/write USB device, why can't you add and remove packages like you normally would on any other disk? Just a thought. :) Regards, Bob ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?
On Thursday 23,September,2010 10:44 PM, Gilles wrote: Sounds good. However, the image that is sent to the USB key is the current Lubuntu ISO, while I need to remove most of the items in the Menu, add a couple of applications, so I guess this is not what I need, and I should look at remastering the ISO from the customized, running USB key. Gilles, when you boot up the live Lubuntu, at the desktop, there is an icon that asks whether you want to install to hard disk. What I did was to proceed but chose to install to a usb stick, that is all. (But if you run the live off a usb, you need another usb to install to) BTW, does someone know exactly how initrd.(gz|lz) is built? Am I correct in thinking it's just grabbing everything in /lib/modules/ and compressing them in a single file? That, is too technical for me, and I wouldn't know, sorry. :) Regards - Goh Lip ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?
On Thursday 23,September,2010 10:30 PM, Goh Lip wrote: Giles, if you need further information, please let us know. Ah, I've found an old post that might help... http://www.mail-archive.com/lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net/msg01347.html Regards - Goh Lip ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?
Am 23.09.2010 16:44, schrieb Gilles: At 16:30 23/09/2010, Goh Lip wrote: But just to add or elaborate, what I did was to install Lubuntu like to a hard disk but it is to a usb stick instead. That's the whole explanation. The advantages are that, of course, there is no need for persistent or casper-rw, and things should process faster. There might be some things to watch out for, like setting grub to hard disk instead of to the usb stick, as some have found out. Sounds good. However, the image that is sent to the USB key is the current Lubuntu ISO, while I need to remove most of the items in the Menu, add a couple of applications, so I guess this is not what I need, and I should look at remastering the ISO from the customized, running USB key. Normally, at every kernel change, the system will, besides updating the grub menu or grub.cfg, it will create both the initrd and syslink and /vmlinuz and syslink to /root. However, until recently, I noticed Lubuntu was not doing this, as compared to ubuntu and kubuntu. Also even if it does this now, we had to take care that it is done to the casper directory instead and named properly, as Leszek has just pointed out to me just now. BTW, does someone know exactly how initrd.(gz|lz) is built? Am I correct in thinking it's just grabbing everything in /lib/modules/ and compressing them in a single file? Its grabbing the modules it needs plus the init script (/usr/share/initramfs-tools/) and for livecds also the casper scripts. (/usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts /usr/share/capser) Thank you. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?
Am 23.09.2010 16:49, schrieb Bob Trevithick: Sounds good. However, the image that is sent to the USB key is the current Lubuntu ISO, while I need to remove most of the items in the Menu, add a couple of applications, so I guess this is not what I need, and I should look at remastering the ISO from the customized, running USB key. I'm quite a bit over my head here, compared to the others, but if you're running on a read/write USB device, why can't you add and remove packages like you normally would on any other disk? Just a thought. :) A live usb stick runs from a highly compressed read only image (filesystem.squashfs) stored on a rewritable fat partition. So you can write changes to the fat portion of the usb stick but not to the highly compressed image. Regards, Bob ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] BUG: 10.10 Beta1: MAJOR GRUB ISSUE
On Thursday 23,September,2010 09:52 PM, Pierre Yahoo wrote: Grub does not detect all partitions possibly because a system has both a rescue partition and a main partition for Windows. Happened to me on 2 Vista machines. Reinsalling Vista did not fix the problem. Also tried to reinstall GRUB and update it without success. Also tried and failed with the Vista bootrec commands. Pierre, there is a post in Ubuntu mailing list with a similar problem On 21 September 2010 21:28, Goh Lip g@gmx.com wrote: Colin, instead of using (hd0,x) as done earlier, for a permanent more failsafe manual entry for windows, make it use uuid as well too, as an example menuentry Windows Vista { insmod ntfs set root=(hd0,x) search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set xxx chainloader +1 } I was in the process of following this advice when I looked more carefully at grub.cfg and realised that I had misinterpreted the problem. It is actually on a relative's machine several hundred miles away which has complicated things a bit. The Vista boot is not missing at all, it is just wrongly labeled in the boot menu. There should be a Windows Recovery entry and a Vista entry, (and my relative is confident that there used to be a Vista one, but is not sure what the recovery one was labeled as). Now, however, the recovery one is labeled Windows NT/2000/XP (on /dev/sda1) and the Vista one is labeled Windows Recovery Environment (loader) (on /dev/sda2) which is rather confusing to say the least. In order to avoid confusion I am going ahead with a custom entry for Vista as you have suggested. It would be nice to hide the erroneous entries but I have not been able to work out how to do that. Sorry for messing everyone about with faulty info. See if this also happens to you, ie., the recovery entry is the 'real entry' and the 'system' entry is the recovery entry for Vista. You can check too as per my post to Colin earlier.. You should check if you can boot up windows if you do the following at the grub prompt (press 'c' at grub menu) set root=(hd0,x) chainloader +1 boot where (hd0,x) is /dev/sdax of the windows partition, (usually x=1) Regards - Goh Lip ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Can't login through LXDM but console login *does* work [SOLVED!]
On 19 September 2010 15:44, Hilco Wijbenga hilco.wijbe...@gmail.com wrote: I have installed Lubuntu 10.04 on a laptop and since upgraded it to 10.04.1. At the time that I installed it, I noticed that login didn't work so I set it up to do autologin (i.e. I bypassed the whole LXDM login screen). That was several months ago and I'd forgotten why I had set it up like that. So I removed the autologin from /etc/lxdm/default.conf and /etc/lxdm/lxdm.conf. That's when I remembered why I had set it up like that. :-) So now I can't login any more. :-( The LXDM login doesn't work. I can type in the user name and password as often as I like, the system doesn't let me login. It just asks for the user name again. If I try it on the command line (CTRL-ALT-F2) then it works perfectly. The user exists and has a valid, working password. I've been googling for hours but I can't figure out what's wrong. I've tried a few random things (reinstall policykit-1, comment out pam_gnome_keyring in /etc/pam.d/lxdm) but nothing makes any difference. I created a new user/password and I could use this user to login both on the console and via the GUI. I then removed the existing user (the one that could not login) and recreated it. Still no luck. Thoroughly confused I took a brute force approach and reinstalled every package ... to no avail. I still could not login. Console login still worked, mind you. At that point I finally started to reason my way through the problem and I hypothesized that the password (which contains a space) might be the problem. Lo and behold, after changing the password to something without a space, I could login. After I changed the password back to something (different) with a space (x y specifically) I could, again, not login. So the problem is that the GUI login somehow does not allow/handle passwords with a space. This sounds like a very nasty bug. Naturally, there may be other problematic characters. Where should I report this? ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] BUG: 10.10 Beta1: MAJOR GRUB ISSUE
Hi Pierre, It's not actually Windows fault on this one (which I know is rare). More and more manufacturers are using hidden partitions as it saves them shipping out a recovery CD / DVD. For the re-installation of the Vista / Win7 MBR and also grub2 have a read of http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4t=5 I've tried to condense what all those How-To's cover into a one stop area for people as quick reference guide for when things go wrong. The links take you to the forum area where you can receive further help on any of the potential problems. Regards, Phill. On 23 September 2010 16:33, Goh Lip g@gmx.com wrote: On Thursday 23,September,2010 09:52 PM, Pierre Yahoo wrote: Grub does not detect all partitions possibly because a system has both a rescue partition and a main partition for Windows. Happened to me on 2 Vista machines. Reinsalling Vista did not fix the problem. Also tried to reinstall GRUB and update it without success. Also tried and failed with the Vista bootrec commands. Pierre, there is a post in Ubuntu mailing list with a similar problem On 21 September 2010 21:28, Goh Lip g@gmx.com wrote: Colin, instead of using (hd0,x) as done earlier, for a permanent more failsafe manual entry for windows, make it use uuid as well too, as an example menuentry Windows Vista { insmod ntfs set root=(hd0,x) search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set xxx chainloader +1 } I was in the process of following this advice when I looked more carefully at grub.cfg and realised that I had misinterpreted the problem. It is actually on a relative's machine several hundred miles away which has complicated things a bit. The Vista boot is not missing at all, it is just wrongly labeled in the boot menu. There should be a Windows Recovery entry and a Vista entry, (and my relative is confident that there used to be a Vista one, but is not sure what the recovery one was labeled as). Now, however, the recovery one is labeled Windows NT/2000/XP (on /dev/sda1) and the Vista one is labeled Windows Recovery Environment (loader) (on /dev/sda2) which is rather confusing to say the least. In order to avoid confusion I am going ahead with a custom entry for Vista as you have suggested. It would be nice to hide the erroneous entries but I have not been able to work out how to do that. Sorry for messing everyone about with faulty info. See if this also happens to you, ie., the recovery entry is the 'real entry' and the 'system' entry is the recovery entry for Vista. You can check too as per my post to Colin earlier.. You should check if you can boot up windows if you do the following at the grub prompt (press 'c' at grub menu) set root=(hd0,x) chainloader +1 boot where (hd0,x) is /dev/sdax of the windows partition, (usually x=1) Regards - Goh Lip ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp