Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] IRC and Documentation

2010-09-23 Thread Zach Kriesse

 On 9/22/2010 6:13 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote:

Hiyas gang 

Before I start this long email, I wish to put on record my gratitude 
to Nathan (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/nhandler) who along with others 
does the 'behind the scenes' stuff generally and helps me and the 
project so much. (hints to Julien to put a testimonial application on 
his wiki page).


_*IRC channel spammers and trolls*_

If there is a 'troll' in the room, the simple rule is Do Not Feed The 
Trolls, totally ignore them, carry on your conversation, they will 
get bored and leave.


If the room is attacked by a spammer  / troll who is disrupting, then 
you need to issue the command


!ops

Issuing

!ops | SoAndSo is spamming

or

!ops | SoAndSo is trolling


does help the IRC Op's to know what it is they are walking into.

I cannot stress highly enough that

Remind them that when they do that, a notice will show up in
#ubuntu-irc . So abuse will really annoy some members of the
community (as well as OPs who get hiighted)


The !ops command is to be used as a last resort, else we will lose 
people from the community who will come on and moderate / ban them if 
it used without good reason. Misuse could well result you in being 
banned at the IP address level from all the IRC freenode chat areas 
and a lot of forums.



_*IRC Logging*_


Nathan has also given me contact details to go and 'nag' for the 
logging bot, which I will be doing tomorrow.


*_Factoids_*
*_
_*
With the introduction of ubot5, you can issue commands such as !grub2 
in the channel which will point someone to where to get detailed 
information, if you come across the same request / question being 
asked often, will you let me know and I'll put it forward to be a 
factoid. (Adds pcmanfm to the list of requests). Whilst we are still a 
young project, such documentation links are really useful for the I 
recall that, but don't know how to do it moments.


*_Documentation_*

If any of you have any how to's but are concerned that they do not 
meet 'official' standards on how documents / help areas are written or 
formatted, please forward them to me. We will gladly 'tidy' them up so 
others may benefit. I'm currently investigating what is required for 
11.04 and will keep you all updated.



Gee, you actually read this far :-)

Regards,

Phill.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?

2010-09-23 Thread Leszek Lesner
Am 22.09.2010 23:34, schrieb Gilles:
 At 23:21 22/09/2010, Leszek Lesner wrote:
 Here are commands summed up.

 1. DD (2GB Persistency Image):
  dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/your_path_to_usbstick/casper-rw bs=1024
 count=2000
 2. Format the persistent image
  mkfs.ext2 /media/your_path_to_usbstick/casper-rw
 3. Add persistent to your bootoptions
 4. Reboot

 Thanks again. I'll try that tomorrow morning and report back.

 Out of curiosity, what does Linux save in this second partition, used
 for persistence between reboots? Is it just a symlink to /etc?
 I currently use a 1GB stick, so I was thinking of booting Linux from
 the hard-disk/CD, shrink the current Linux on the USB stick to make
 room for the persistent partition, and create/format a 200MB ext2
 partition for persistent data.
Persistency(with casper-rw) will save all the changes to files comparing
with the live system data. So applications that you installed later with
apt-get and even configuration files you created in your home folder.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Installing Gparted to running USB key?

2010-09-23 Thread Leszek Lesner
Am 23.09.2010 14:03, schrieb Gilles:
 Hello

 I need to resize an NTFS partition that contains XPSP3. Since I have a
 working Lubuntu live USB key, I was wondering if I could just run
 apt-get to install Gparted and its dependencies, instead of burning
 the Gparted live ISO?

 http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
You can just install gparted on your lubuntu live usb stick.

 Thank you.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?

2010-09-23 Thread Goh Lip

On Thursday 23,September,2010 08:55 PM, Leszek Lesner wrote:

Persistency(with casper-rw) will save all the changes to files comparing
with the live system data. So applications that you installed later with
apt-get and even configuration files you created in your home folder.


How about kernel upgrades (as in 2.6.35-22-generic from 
2.6.35-21-generic), does that keep that too? If not, how to endure it 
does or at least how to make sure the new kernel boots up the next time?


Regards - Goh Lip


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?

2010-09-23 Thread Leszek Lesner
Am 23.09.2010 15:23, schrieb Goh Lip:
 On Thursday 23,September,2010 08:55 PM, Leszek Lesner wrote:
 Persistency(with casper-rw) will save all the changes to files comparing
 with the live system data. So applications that you installed later with
 apt-get and even configuration files you created in your home folder.

 How about kernel upgrades (as in 2.6.35-22-generic from
 2.6.35-21-generic), does that keep that too? If not, how to endure it
 does or at least how to make sure the new kernel boots up the next time?

Kernel changes will be also changed but only in the persistency file.
As the bootloader normaly searches for a vmlinuz and initrd on the fat32
portion of a usb stick, you need to replace the old vmlinuz and initrd
files on your usb sticks casper directory.

 Regards - Goh Lip


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?

2010-09-23 Thread Gilles

At 15:23 23/09/2010, Goh Lip wrote:
How about kernel upgrades (as in 2.6.35-22-generic from 
2.6.35-21-generic), does that keep that too? If not, how to endure 
it does or at least how to make sure the new kernel boots up the next time?


Apparently, the kernel (vmlinuz + possibly initrd.(lz/gz)) live 
outside the live root file system filesystem.squashfs, so must be 
copied manually in \casper after mounting the USB key in the running Lubuntu.


I'd also like to know if the persistence described above does save 
all the changes made through apt-get, or just configuration files in /etc.


Thank you. 



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?

2010-09-23 Thread Goh Lip

On Thursday 23,September,2010 09:29 PM, Leszek Lesner wrote:

Kernel changes will be also changed but only in the persistency file.
As the bootloader normaly searches for a vmlinuz and initrd on the fat32
portion of a usb stick, you need to replace the old vmlinuz and initrd
files on your usb sticks casper directory.


Thanks, Leszek, no wonder kernel changes didn't work for me in the past. 
Er, maybe I have to also rename initrd.img to initrd.lz, and move to the 
casper directory? Hopefully there is no need to do a update-initramfs 
-u, but I'll watch out for it.


Wonderful, you gave me an idea. I'll have to give it a try next time.  - 
My Lubuntu is a 'real install' on a usb stick, but I am not complaining! 
It is far far better than a live stick.


Thanks and regards - Goh Lip

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[Lubuntu-desktop] BUG: 10.10 Beta1: MAJOR GRUB ISSUE

2010-09-23 Thread Pierre Yahoo

Hi all,

Grub does not detect all partitions possibly because a 
system has both a rescue partition and a main partition for 
Windows.  Happened to me on 2 Vista machines.  Reinsalling 
Vista did not fix the problem.  Also tried to reinstall GRUB 
and update it without success.  Also tried and failed with 
the Vista bootrec commands.


For newbies and many Linux users, this is a worst case 
horror scenario.  People are going to be furious, installing 
side-by-side and loosing access to Windows totally.  Many 
will never come back to Linux... meaning also less support...


I finally added an entry to grub.cfg (which will be deleted 
at the next update) but most newbies and many Linux users 
will not know how to do this.  The partition and boot info 
was there, all GRUB had to do was list it!


THIS ABSOLUTELY NEED TO BE FIXED... BETTER ONE ADDITIONAL 
ENTRY THAN A MAIN ONE MISSING!


Thanks.  Great Work!
--

Pierre Champagne
pierrewinni...@yahoo.ca
http://wavesofthefuture.net


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?

2010-09-23 Thread Goh Lip

On Thursday 23,September,2010 09:36 PM, Gilles wrote:

Apparently, the kernel (vmlinuz + possibly initrd.(lz/gz)) live outside
the live root file system filesystem.squashfs, so must be copied
manually in \casper after mounting the USB key in the running Lubuntu.

I'd also like to know if the persistence described above does save all
the changes made through apt-get, or just configuration files in /etc.


I sent a message without receiving your message yet. Yes, you're right, 
it does live outside, in the casper directory. And from my (limited) 
experience with casper, casper-rw and persistent, so far all changes 
I've made stick (keeps), including applications, settings and so far 
with the main exception of kernel changes, and that to me is an 
important one, so I did not use this live booting except to test out new 
alpha versions of kubuntu.


But I've found Lubuntu to an excellent OS to boot direct from a usb, 
unlike say, Ubuntu Netbook Remix and even the smaller distros like Puppy 
or DSL. So I am typing this from a 'direct install' of Lubuntu from a 
usb stick even when I have Kubuntu and others on the hard disk. I'm 
loving it!


Regards - Gph Lip


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?

2010-09-23 Thread Gilles

At 15:46 23/09/2010, Goh Lip wrote:
Hopefully there is no need to do a update-initramfs -u, but I'll 
watch out for it.


What does update-initramfs -u?

Wonderful, you gave me an idea. I'll have to give it a try next 
time.  - My Lubuntu is a 'real install' on a usb stick, but I am not 
complaining! It is far far better than a live stick.


What's a real install on a USB stick, and how does it differ from a 
live stick? Do you mean that the former is persistent, while the 
latter is the default ISO image?


BTW, instead of making the USB key persistent, I'm really looking at 
how to boot with the current image, perform apt-get to 
add/update/remove packages, save this running instance into an 
external ISO, so that I can flash a bunch of USB keys with all my 
users need. Does someone have information on how to do this with Lubuntu?


Thank you.  



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?

2010-09-23 Thread Gilles

At 16:30 23/09/2010, Goh Lip wrote:
But just to add or elaborate, what I did was to install Lubuntu like 
to a hard disk but it is to a usb stick instead. That's the whole 
explanation. The advantages are that, of course, there is no need 
for persistent or casper-rw, and things should process faster. There 
might be some things to watch out for, like setting grub to hard 
disk instead of to the usb stick, as some have found out.


Sounds good. However, the image that is sent to the USB key is the 
current Lubuntu ISO, while I need to remove most of the items in the 
Menu, add a couple of applications, so I guess this is not what I 
need, and I should look at remastering the ISO from the customized, 
running USB key.


Normally, at every kernel change, the system will, besides updating 
the grub menu or grub.cfg, it will create both the  initrd and 
syslink and /vmlinuz and syslink to /root. However, until recently, 
I noticed Lubuntu was not doing this, as compared to ubuntu and 
kubuntu. Also even if it does this now, we had to take care that it 
is done to the casper directory instead and named properly, as 
Leszek has just pointed out to me just now.


BTW, does someone know exactly how initrd.(gz|lz) is built? Am I 
correct in thinking it's just grabbing everything in /lib/modules/ 
and compressing them in a single file?


Thank you. 



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?

2010-09-23 Thread Bob Trevithick
 Sounds good. However, the image that is sent to the USB key is the current
 Lubuntu ISO, while I need to remove most of the items in the Menu, add a
 couple of applications, so I guess this is not what I need, and I should
 look at remastering the ISO from the customized, running USB key.

I'm quite a bit over my head here, compared to the others, but if
you're running on a read/write USB device, why can't you add and
remove packages like you normally would on any other disk?   Just a
thought. :)

Regards,
Bob

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?

2010-09-23 Thread Goh Lip

On Thursday 23,September,2010 10:44 PM, Gilles wrote:

Sounds good. However, the image that is sent to the USB key is the
current Lubuntu ISO, while I need to remove most of the items in the
Menu, add a couple of applications, so I guess this is not what I need,
and I should look at remastering the ISO from the customized, running
USB key.


Gilles, when you boot up the live Lubuntu, at the desktop, there is an 
icon that asks whether you want to install to hard disk. What I did was 
to proceed but chose to install to a usb stick, that is all.

(But if you run the live off a usb, you need another usb to install to)



BTW, does someone know exactly how initrd.(gz|lz) is built? Am I correct
in thinking it's just grabbing everything in /lib/modules/ and
compressing them in a single file?


That, is too technical for me, and I wouldn't know, sorry.  :)


Regards - Goh Lip

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?

2010-09-23 Thread Goh Lip

On Thursday 23,September,2010 10:30 PM, Goh Lip wrote:

Giles, if you need further information, please let us know.

Ah, I've found an old post that might help...


http://www.mail-archive.com/lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net/msg01347.html



Regards - Goh Lip


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?

2010-09-23 Thread Leszek Lesner
Am 23.09.2010 16:44, schrieb Gilles:
 At 16:30 23/09/2010, Goh Lip wrote:
 But just to add or elaborate, what I did was to install Lubuntu like
 to a hard disk but it is to a usb stick instead. That's the whole
 explanation. The advantages are that, of course, there is no need for
 persistent or casper-rw, and things should process faster. There
 might be some things to watch out for, like setting grub to hard disk
 instead of to the usb stick, as some have found out.

 Sounds good. However, the image that is sent to the USB key is the
 current Lubuntu ISO, while I need to remove most of the items in the
 Menu, add a couple of applications, so I guess this is not what I
 need, and I should look at remastering the ISO from the customized,
 running USB key.

 Normally, at every kernel change, the system will, besides updating
 the grub menu or grub.cfg, it will create both the  initrd and
 syslink and /vmlinuz and syslink to /root. However, until recently, I
 noticed Lubuntu was not doing this, as compared to ubuntu and
 kubuntu. Also even if it does this now, we had to take care that it
 is done to the casper directory instead and named properly, as Leszek
 has just pointed out to me just now.

 BTW, does someone know exactly how initrd.(gz|lz) is built? Am I
 correct in thinking it's just grabbing everything in /lib/modules/ and
 compressing them in a single file?
Its grabbing the modules it needs plus the init script
(/usr/share/initramfs-tools/) and for livecds also the casper scripts.
(/usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts  /usr/share/capser)  


 Thank you.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UI in French?

2010-09-23 Thread Leszek Lesner
Am 23.09.2010 16:49, schrieb Bob Trevithick:
 Sounds good. However, the image that is sent to the USB key is the current
 Lubuntu ISO, while I need to remove most of the items in the Menu, add a
 couple of applications, so I guess this is not what I need, and I should
 look at remastering the ISO from the customized, running USB key.
 
 I'm quite a bit over my head here, compared to the others, but if
 you're running on a read/write USB device, why can't you add and
 remove packages like you normally would on any other disk?   Just a
 thought. :)
   
A live usb stick runs from a highly compressed read only image
(filesystem.squashfs) stored on a rewritable fat partition.
So you can write changes to the fat portion of the usb stick but not to
the highly compressed image.
 Regards,
 Bob

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] BUG: 10.10 Beta1: MAJOR GRUB ISSUE

2010-09-23 Thread Goh Lip

On Thursday 23,September,2010 09:52 PM, Pierre Yahoo wrote:

Grub does not detect all partitions possibly because a system has both a
rescue partition and a main partition for Windows.  Happened to me on 2
Vista machines.  Reinsalling Vista did not fix the problem.  Also tried
to reinstall GRUB and update it without success.  Also tried and failed
with the Vista bootrec commands.


Pierre, there is a post in Ubuntu mailing list with a similar problem


On 21 September 2010 21:28, Goh Lip g@gmx.com wrote:


Colin, instead of using (hd0,x) as done earlier, for a permanent more
failsafe manual entry for windows, make it use uuid as well too, as an
example


menuentry Windows Vista {
   insmod ntfs
   set root=(hd0,x)
   search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set xxx
   chainloader +1
}



I was in the process of following this advice when I looked more
carefully at grub.cfg and realised that I had misinterpreted the
problem.  It is actually on a relative's machine several hundred miles
away which has complicated things a bit.  The Vista boot is not
missing at all, it is just wrongly labeled in the boot menu.  There
should be a Windows Recovery entry and a Vista entry, (and my relative
is confident that there used to be a Vista one, but is not sure what
the recovery one was labeled as).  Now, however, the recovery one is
labeled Windows NT/2000/XP (on /dev/sda1) and the Vista one is
labeled Windows Recovery Environment (loader) (on /dev/sda2) which
is rather confusing to say the least.

In order to avoid confusion I am going ahead with a custom entry for
Vista as you have suggested.  It would be nice to hide the erroneous
entries but I have not been able to work out how to do that.

Sorry for messing everyone about with faulty info.




See if this also happens to you, ie., the recovery entry is the 'real 
entry' and the 'system' entry is the recovery entry for Vista.


You can check too as per my post to Colin earlier..


  You should check if you can boot up windows if you do the following at
  the grub prompt (press 'c' at grub menu)
  set root=(hd0,x)
  chainloader +1
  boot



  where (hd0,x) is /dev/sdax of the windows partition, (usually x=1)



Regards - Goh Lip

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Can't login through LXDM but console login *does* work [SOLVED!]

2010-09-23 Thread Hilco Wijbenga
On 19 September 2010 15:44, Hilco Wijbenga hilco.wijbe...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have installed Lubuntu 10.04 on a laptop and since upgraded it to
 10.04.1. At the time that I installed it, I noticed that login didn't
 work so I set it up to do autologin (i.e. I bypassed the whole LXDM
 login screen). That was several months ago and I'd forgotten why I had
 set it up like that. So I removed the autologin from
 /etc/lxdm/default.conf and /etc/lxdm/lxdm.conf. That's when I
 remembered why I had set it up like that. :-) So now I can't login any
 more. :-(

 The LXDM login doesn't work. I can type in the user name and password
 as often as I like, the system doesn't let me login. It just asks for
 the user name again. If I try it on the command line (CTRL-ALT-F2)
 then it works perfectly. The user exists and has a valid, working
 password. I've been googling for hours but I can't figure out what's
 wrong. I've tried a few random things (reinstall policykit-1, comment
 out pam_gnome_keyring in /etc/pam.d/lxdm) but nothing makes any
 difference.

I created a new user/password and I could use this user to login both
on the console and via the GUI. I then removed the existing user (the
one that could not login) and recreated it. Still no luck. Thoroughly
confused I took a brute force approach and reinstalled every package
... to no avail. I still could not login. Console login still worked,
mind you.

At that point I finally started to reason my way through the problem
and I hypothesized that the password (which contains a space) might be
the problem. Lo and behold, after changing the password to something
without a space, I could login. After I changed the password back to
something (different) with a space (x y specifically) I could,
again, not login.

So the problem is that the GUI login somehow does not allow/handle
passwords with a space. This sounds like a very nasty bug. Naturally,
there may be other problematic characters. Where should I report this?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] BUG: 10.10 Beta1: MAJOR GRUB ISSUE

2010-09-23 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hi Pierre,

It's not actually Windows fault on this one (which I know is rare). More and
more manufacturers are using hidden partitions as it saves them shipping out
a recovery CD / DVD. For the re-installation of the Vista / Win7 MBR and
also grub2 have a read of http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4t=5 I've
tried to condense what all those How-To's cover into a one stop area for
people as quick reference guide for when things go wrong. The links take you
to the forum area where you can receive further help on any of the potential
problems.

Regards,

Phill.


On 23 September 2010 16:33, Goh Lip g@gmx.com wrote:

 On Thursday 23,September,2010 09:52 PM, Pierre Yahoo wrote:

 Grub does not detect all partitions possibly because a system has both a
 rescue partition and a main partition for Windows.  Happened to me on 2
 Vista machines.  Reinsalling Vista did not fix the problem.  Also tried
 to reinstall GRUB and update it without success.  Also tried and failed
 with the Vista bootrec commands.


 Pierre, there is a post in Ubuntu mailing list with a similar problem

  On 21 September 2010 21:28, Goh Lip g@gmx.com wrote:


 Colin, instead of using (hd0,x) as done earlier, for a permanent more
 failsafe manual entry for windows, make it use uuid as well too, as an
 example


 menuentry Windows Vista {
   insmod ntfs
   set root=(hd0,x)
   search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set xxx
   chainloader +1
 }


 I was in the process of following this advice when I looked more
 carefully at grub.cfg and realised that I had misinterpreted the
 problem.  It is actually on a relative's machine several hundred miles
 away which has complicated things a bit.  The Vista boot is not
 missing at all, it is just wrongly labeled in the boot menu.  There
 should be a Windows Recovery entry and a Vista entry, (and my relative
 is confident that there used to be a Vista one, but is not sure what
 the recovery one was labeled as).  Now, however, the recovery one is
 labeled Windows NT/2000/XP (on /dev/sda1) and the Vista one is
 labeled Windows Recovery Environment (loader) (on /dev/sda2) which
 is rather confusing to say the least.

 In order to avoid confusion I am going ahead with a custom entry for
 Vista as you have suggested.  It would be nice to hide the erroneous
 entries but I have not been able to work out how to do that.

 Sorry for messing everyone about with faulty info.




 See if this also happens to you, ie., the recovery entry is the 'real
 entry' and the 'system' entry is the recovery entry for Vista.

 You can check too as per my post to Colin earlier..

You should check if you can boot up windows if you do the following at
   the grub prompt (press 'c' at grub menu)
   set root=(hd0,x)
   chainloader +1
   boot


where (hd0,x) is /dev/sdax of the windows partition, (usually x=1)



 Regards - Goh Lip


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