Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install.

2010-10-20 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hiyas Gang,

the iso has been safely installed onto my server area and the md5 checks out
okay. (Many thanks to bioterror for doing the transfer)
The link is http://phillw.net/lubuntu-alternate-10.10.iso  If some one could
confirm that it installs I'll put on to the wiki area. The md5 is at
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2351433/Lubuntu-Alternate/lubuntu-10.10-alternate.iso.md5which
I'll transfer over once I know the iso works.

Regards,

Phill.



On 19 October 2010 09:49, Leszek Lesner leszek.les...@web.de wrote:

 Am 19.10.2010 01:07, schrieb Phill Whiteside:
  Crikey, Leszek,
 
  that's an awesome amount of work. If you and julien agree on it, then I
  would be more than happy to host it.
 
 I agree ;)
 Here is the first still unoffical Lubuntu 10.10 Alternate Install CD.
 It is a little bit bigger as I put some language files more in there and
 included lxkeymap, lxproxy aswell as lubuntu-control-center. They won't
 install by default. By default only lubuntu-desktop and its dependencies
 are installed.
 There is only one known bug so far, I forgot to change the date in the
 label of the CD ISO Image so it still claims the 7ths of October to be
 its build date. :P
 Here is the ISO Image (669 MB) :

 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2351433/Lubuntu-Alternate/lubuntu-10.10-alternate.iso

 and the MD5:

 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2351433/Lubuntu-Alternate/lubuntu-10.10-alternate.iso.md5

 Please be aware that dropbox will block the file if too much traffic is
 produced. Therefor I only send this mail to you Phill  Julien not the
 list so that Julien has time to decide and you (Phill) the time for
 download and then putting in on your server ;)
  Thanks,
 
  Phill.
 
  On 18 October 2010 17:24, Leszek Lesner leszek.les...@web.de wrote:
 
 
   Am 18.10.2010 15:25, schrieb Julien Lavergne:
 
  On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 10:59:06 +0200
  Leszek Lesner leszek.les...@web.de leszek.les...@web.de wrote:
 
 
 
   I created a Install CD by simply creating a minimal install CD plus a
 repo. Unfortunetly the Installation fails after installing the base system,
 because it tries to install a package called lubuntu-desktop^ in the tasksel
 process which it cant find. I tried this with the modified tasksel version
 of yours. I even checked the modification you made but cant find the error.
 
 
   I'm not sure I made the correct fix for tasksel, it probably needs
 another fix somewhere. But I interesting to know how you made the initial
 CD, because I only find how doing an iso with squash filesystem, but not
 with .deb packages.
 
 
   Ok I see it wasn't quite the right fixes you made as the last line in
  lubuntu-desktop from the ubuntu-tasks folder contains
 
  Packages: task-fields
 
  This would as far as I understand connect to the ubuntu server and
 search
  for a corresponding task. But there isn't one.
 
  Packages: list
lubuntu-desktop
 
  works much better and fixes the error I got before.
 
  To create the CD I basically took the xubuntu alternate cd. Then I
 copied
  over the whole ISO and put it into one directory(lets call it cd-img).
  Replaced the isolinux folder with the fancy isolinux folder from the
 livecd
  with the cool looking logo png and where you can set language with F2
 and
  with F3 the keymap and so on.
  The first thing that I did afterwards was taking the xubuntu.preseed
 file
  that ships with the xubuntu-10.10-alternate-i386.iso and changing it
  basically from xubuntu-desktop to lubuntu-desktop(I know there is a
  lubuntu.seed file on the live cd but I took the one from the other
 alternate
  cds as they were more entries and I didn't want to mess ups things).
 Then I
  put this preseed file back to my copy of the minimal install cd(so the
  cd-img folder) into the preseed folder.
  I did change the txt.cfg file in isolinux so that the default option
 would
  boot with the preseed file option of the lubuntu.seed .
  Then the little bit more tricky part create a repository. For creating
 this
  repository I know that I need every package that needs to be installed
 when
  installing lubuntu-desktop. Every means every , so also xorg and those
 other
  stuffs. As I had a Minimal Install ISO aswell I simply created a minimal
  installed cli only system in virtualbox and apt-get install(ed)
  lubuntu-desktop. All the required deb files are stored in
 /var/cache/apt/.
  The only thing to do now is getting those deb files outside the virtual
  machine. Then there is a cool package called apt-move which is pretty
 handy
  as it can automatically copy or move those deb files in a repository
 like
  hierarchical folder view. So it will create automatically the structure
 of a
  repository that you need, by putting in lubuntu-desktop for example  in
 a
  pool/l/lubuntu-meta/lubuntu-desktop_xXX-i386.deb file/folder structure.
 By
  default this repository structure will be put into /mirrors/debian so
 you
  need root right to run apt-move. But I guess the default folder is
  changeable I just was to lazy to read the 

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install.

2010-10-20 Thread Yorvyk
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:22:27 +0100
Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

 Hiyas Gang,
 
 the iso has been safely installed onto my server area and the md5 checks out
 okay. (Many thanks to bioterror for doing the transfer)
 The link is http://phillw.net/lubuntu-alternate-10.10.iso  If some one could
 confirm that it installs I'll put on to the wiki area. The md5 is at
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2351433/Lubuntu-Alternate/lubuntu-10.10-alternate.iso.md5which
 I'll transfer over once I know the iso works.
 
Wonderful! :D
...apart from the links not working :(


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[Lubuntu-desktop] cmov

2010-10-20 Thread Christian Stöveken
Hey,

I just tried installing Lubuntu 10.10 on a K6 450 notebook and ran into
the cmov missing problem.
Since this distribution is designed to run on low end machines cmov
support should be compiled into the kernel
(imho).

I just wanted to check if you're already aware of the missing cmov
support in recent kernels.

Best Regards,
Chris
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] cmov

2010-10-20 Thread Yorvyk
On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 22:07:04 -
Christian Stöveken launchpad@excogitation.de wrote:

 Hey,
 
 I just tried installing Lubuntu 10.10 on a K6 450 notebook and ran into
 the cmov missing problem.
 Since this distribution is designed to run on low end machines cmov
 support should be compiled into the kernel
 (imho).
 
 I just wanted to check if you're already aware of the missing cmov
 support in recent kernels.
 
Sadly, yes.  See  this thread 
https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg02587.html

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install.

2010-10-20 Thread Phill Whiteside
Oops, my bad

http://phillw.net/lubuntu10.10-alternate.iso

http://phillw.net/lubuntu10.10-alternate.isoRegards,

Phill.

On 20 October 2010 18:31, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote:

 On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:22:27 +0100
 Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

  Hiyas Gang,
 
  the iso has been safely installed onto my server area and the md5 checks
 out
  okay. (Many thanks to bioterror for doing the transfer)
  The link is http://phillw.net/lubuntu-alternate-10.10.iso  If some one
 could
  confirm that it installs I'll put on to the wiki area. The md5 is at
 
 http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2351433/Lubuntu-Alternate/lubuntu-10.10-alternate.iso.md5which
  I'll transfer over once I know the iso works.
 
 Wonderful! :D
 ...apart from the links not working :(


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] cmov

2010-10-20 Thread Phill Whiteside
Julien,

 as we are the last post of support for older computers, to  with
Canonical and them dropping the support from the kernel for i586 and below
that I thought that was the 'raison d'etre' for Lubuntu. We cannot turn our
backs on these people.  Just my 2 cents worth.

Regards,

Phill.

On 21 October 2010 00:02, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote:

 On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 22:07:04 -
 Christian Stöveken launchpad@excogitation.de wrote:

  Hey,
 
  I just tried installing Lubuntu 10.10 on a K6 450 notebook and ran into
  the cmov missing problem.
  Since this distribution is designed to run on low end machines cmov
  support should be compiled into the kernel
  (imho).
 
  I just wanted to check if you're already aware of the missing cmov
  support in recent kernels.
 
 Sadly, yes.  See  this thread
 https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg02587.html

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Lubuntu GRUB and PLOP

2010-10-20 Thread Phill Whiteside
As requested, the sender's details have been removed,

Any comments / Is it worth editing for the Advanced / Expert users section ?

Regards,

Phill.


Hi,
As requested an email summarising how to do it (as discussed with
bioterror).  If you decide to use any of this please respect my
anonymity.


Outline of Circumstances and Objectives.
Various older/low spec machines are in use here that are
at/approaching the end of their life.
Objective 1: Extend useful life.
Resolution - Move to a Linux distro specifically designed to require
few demands on system resources.

Machines are unable to satifactorily run current commercial OS's and apps.
Objective 2: Employ lightweight OSS OS and apps.
Resolution - Lubuntu

Users here are non-expert and do not want to understand why, only to
know how.
Objective 3: Users not to be exposed to technicalities.
Resolution - Inherrent in Lubuntu design.

Users are reluctant to move from what they know.
Objective 4: Employ familiar uncluttered GUI.
Resolution - Inherrent in Lubuntu design.
Objective 5: Offer similar/like-for-like apps.
Resolution - Extensive range of apps in Ubuntu repositories.
Objective 6: Reduce fear factor by demonstrating both old and new
side-by-side
Resolution - Enable multi-boot of new and existing OS/apps on current
machines.

Machines have differing abilities to boot from a range of devices/sources
Objective 7: Provide a common means of booting to enable the same
booting ability at each machine.
Resolution - Employ PLOP boot manager.


Outline of Setting-up Lubuntu and PLOP
PLOP is a boot manager that requires the presence of a bootloader
(GRUB) to load the OS.
In a multi-boot set-up GRUB is not to be placed in the MBR (ref PLOP web
site).
The following was found to produce a working multi-boot set-up.

1: When installing Lubuntu from the CD-ROM choose to manually partition the
disk
2: Create a small primary partition (250MB) and set its mount point as
/boot
3: Create an extended partition for Lubuntu (anything above 3.5GB) and
set its mount point to be /
4: On the same page is an option to choose the location of the
bootloader (GRUB).  Set this to point at /dev/sdXX i.e. /boot
5: The installation then continues as normal and when GRUB is
installed to /boot it also scans for other bootable OS's and adds
them to the list of boot options in the GRUB menu.

Currently, the test-rig PC is started with PLOP on a floppy disk.  It
offers to boot from various hard disk partitions.  Selecting the one
created as /boot displays the usual GRUB menu which includes all the
OS's on the hard disk.  The only step left now is to move PLOP from
floppy to the hard disk, however the proof of concept is complete.

Regards
SamK
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