Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter section
On Dec 5, 2011, at 10:40 PM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > On 12/06/2011 12:28 AM, Amber Graner wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Scott Kitterman >> wrote: >>> None of these are derivatives (Mint is a derivative). These are other >>> distribution products developed in the Ubuntu project. I think it's >>> much more correct to refer to them as siblings to Ubuntu (Desktop) and >>> Ubuntu Server. >>> >>> I know you didn't make up this terminology, but in no sense of the word >>> is derivative correct. >> >> Scott why bring this up to the UWN folks who are trying their hardest >> to bring the news to folks, why not bring it up to the release manager or >> others >> to change this. Chris, who is new to the news team, wanted to add a >> section to cover these distributions, and establish a relationship as >> well as let you all know what we (the news were doing). >> Responses like this, to someone who doesn't make those decisions don't >> help with encouragement, inclusion and good will. It's like you >> are beating up the messenger. >> >> We on the news team are trying our best to bring coverage about as >> many of the flavors, derivatives, siblings or whatever you want to >> call them. We were asking for your help and instead you complain >> about the word. Seriously? > > Because I find the term offensive. > > I bring it up whenever I see it used. I even said that I recognized he > was only using a term others use. > > Why should I not bring it up? > > It's not meant as an attack on anyone, but to express an opinion. If > you're going to add a section as a part of showing appreciation, but > name it something that bothers someone, isn't that useful to know? > > Scott K This is an insult, tbh [0]. But since when does Canonical care about any other flavor? [0] http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/derivatives ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter section
On 12/06/2011 12:52 AM, Amber Graner wrote: > On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 12:40 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: >> On 12/06/2011 12:28 AM, Amber Graner wrote: >>> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Scott Kitterman >>> wrote: None of these are derivatives (Mint is a derivative). These are other distribution products developed in the Ubuntu project. I think it's much more correct to refer to them as siblings to Ubuntu (Desktop) and Ubuntu Server. I know you didn't make up this terminology, but in no sense of the word is derivative correct. >>> >>> Scott why bring this up to the UWN folks who are trying their hardest >>> to bring the news to folks, why not bring it up to the release manager or >>> others >>> to change this. Chris, who is new to the news team, wanted to add a >>> section to cover these distributions, and establish a relationship as >>> well as let you all know what we (the news were doing). >>> Responses like this, to someone who doesn't make those decisions don't >>> help with encouragement, inclusion and good will. It's like you >>> are beating up the messenger. >>> >>> We on the news team are trying our best to bring coverage about as >>> many of the flavors, derivatives, siblings or whatever you want to >>> call them. We were asking for your help and instead you complain >>> about the word. Seriously? >> >> Because I find the term offensive. >> >> I bring it up whenever I see it used. I even said that I recognized he >> was only using a term others use. >> >> Why should I not bring it up? > > > You're right you have the right to your opinion; however, its the tone > of your email (just like this one) that comes across has hostile and > confrontational. I apologize if misunderstood. >> >> It's not meant as an attack on anyone, but to express an opinion. If >> you're going to add a section as a part of showing appreciation, but >> name it something that bothers someone, isn't that useful to know? > > Yes, but we don't make the names up, as you know. So there is no > sense hashing that out here. :-) However, because you brought it up > I will forward your issues onto Kate Stewart. > Thanks for bringing to our attention. I am hostile to the term as applied to Ubuntu flavors developed within the Ubuntu project. I'm not hostile to any of the people involved in the discussion. I'm sorry I communicated it in a way that felt hostile to people. Scott K ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: New Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter section
Hai Charlie (and the rest), I think something went wrong with your reply so I forwarded to everyone again. @Scott K: I think it's a problem with using a lot of terms side-by-side and mixing things up even. As you can see, the page [1] Ubuntu uses is called Derivatives. However on that same page the officially recognized once are suddenly called "flavor". In my humble opinion it's a more friendly term to use, but we should get some (dare I say it?) "Unity" in our naming scheme. It might have been my mistake, because the information [2] given by Kate apparently also talked about Flavors. But it's important everyone knows what the "correct" term is/should be. I hope this clears up some of the mess (originally created to ask for help on getting links to the meeting minutes). With metta, Chris [1] http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/derivatives [2] http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/12/05/%23ubuntu-news.html starting from 18:15 -- Forwarded message -- From: Charlie Kravetz Date: Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 15:00 Subject: Re: New Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter section To: ubuntu-news -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 00:15:42 -0500 Scott Kitterman wrote: > None of these are derivatives (Mint is a derivative). These are other > distribution products developed in the Ubuntu project. I think it's > much more correct to refer to them as siblings to Ubuntu (Desktop) and > Ubuntu Server. > > I know you didn't make up this terminology, but in no sense of the word > is derivative correct. > > Scott K > I have heard several times that the word "derivative" is incorrect when referring to these distributions based on Ubuntu. Why is it incorrect? According to the definition: derivative (comparative more derivative, superlative most derivative) 1. Imitative of the work of someone else. 2. (law, copyright law) Referring to a work, such as a translation or adaptation, based on another work that may be subject to copyright restrictions. Perhaps Kubuntu, having been developed alongside of Ubuntu is not a derivative, but the others are very much "adapted or based on another work" (Ubuntu). I can not any definition that excludes this adaption from being a derivative. Maybe an explanation of why this word is wrong is in order here? - -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJO3h/sAAoJEFNEIRz9dxbAoQcH/1iu2OOYGolO4yniPNjKm/M0 TC0dBv+/RbKVO1XUxYRP1a88Rd/rpYwfbvDkejwi5XsP4ruLueeAzTvX18WFOKZS mFhNTjqrGC4I060NkwlDtv3C04Nt7SmQlhWsh6rPr+qdft5DbjPcj72s6i8QEv/0 AzXNvxGGExuQrr/4o1+D05u7c3joMZI6CyTsHz+JnuUpJ9yfZM3AeXjT17whv9QX EOz/mrR9SXrywJVEZZvzwNSToJtgudvAMC4HB+I2nL2BHmJk9e7VNoArRJt7E+k7 JeC4tlc0SWUeRh6pQJom2q9htsDiHynZHkmn8m5J/1RBztomYMLtmOVCzCMIkhw= =f0gD -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-news-team mailing list ubuntu-news-t...@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-news-team ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter section
On Tue, 6 Dec 2011 03:35:37 +0100 Chris wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I'd like to take this opportunity to tell everyone about the new section on > the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter. It's a section devoted to the development of > the official derivatives of Ubuntu. For this we'd like to receive every > week that you have a meeting, a link to the summary of the meeting. This is > all to more acknowledgement of the hard work everyone in the derivatives > branches are doing. > If there are any questions, please ask them here or on #ubuntu-news. > akgraner and me (MrChrisDruif) should be around to answer your questions. > > With metta, Chris > Thanks for the reminder Chris, nearly forgot to do this. Links sent to ubuntu-news. -- Yorvyk ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
