Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Default Browser
midori i believe gives you the fullest web experience and still remains light... it does support flash and plugins My experience with other browsers in the past have always been that they are lacking and playing catchup with FF and IE. Plugins, Flash support and interface design to name a few. Do all these lite browsers support the same functionally as FF does? Glen On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Steve yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 16:14:23 -, Glen Bizeau gbiz...@gmail.com wrote: Firefox is a browser that people expect to see on a Linux distribution. I know the footprint is a little larger on it, but I think we should stick with the more comfortable/familiar choice in this situation. Which people expect FF? Put on FF, if someone wants to change it later, let them do it. Thats what I would have said at one time (last week :) ) But FF is seriously ponderous with 128MB of RAM and Im rapidly coming to the conclusion that Midori is the way to go. Out of interest I tried Midori out on 'my class' this afternoon and they were quite happy with it. These people are computer illiterates who are rather frightened of the things, though getting less so. -- Steve ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Default Browser
It's not an option, because providing a large scale of applications will result in no support for all. The point to choosing default applications is to provide good support and integration of those applications, and offer something ready out-of-the-box for the user. Advanced users can always install/remove applications. Regards, Julien Lavergne Le lundi 01 février 2010 à 10:19 -0500, Jeff Stone a écrit : Unfortunately, whichever browser you chose, a bunch of potential users are going to be turned off. An alternative to consider is initially install no browser, then have a post-install script that will ask the user to decide, something like this: Browser: 1. Firefox (default) 2. Midori 3. Epiphany 4. Arora 5. Chromium 6. none etc. Office: 1. Abiword + Gnumeric (default) 2. Openoffice.org 3. none Image editor: Music player: Launcher: 1. Kupfer IM Client: etc The script might not have to do anything more than a few sudo apt-get installs. I don't know if this breaks some Ubuntu philosopy, but I think it opens the distro up to a *much* wider audience. I'm sure you can't make dramatic changes to Ubiquity, and I know you don't want the user to have to make a lot of decisions at install time, but I'd *FAR* rather pick between a), b) and c), and know that the config is setup properly than to have to figure out how to delete one package and install another. You could even start with with the question Do you want to select packages other than the defaults (Firefox, Abiword, Gnumeric etc)? Jeff On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Steve yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 12:40:35 -, David Robert Lewis (ethnopunk) ethnop...@telkomsa.net wrote: ` Steve wrote: On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 10:27:58 -, 神癒礁湖 rafaellag...@gmail.com wrote: LOL. Discussion about browser is out of the box! :-) OK, fully agree with Julián Alarcón and Jonay Santana. I'm only a designer (and was a coder, but not now). Mother's impressions are good as they are perfect beta testers. Midori and Arora are the best browser for this release / distro. Arora was even capable to load complex certificates accesing the tricky goverment pages (educational ministry, for example) and not Midori. So, equation gets simple. We have to keep an eye on speed, easyness and also features, and Midori lack a bit of functions that are already implemented on Arora. If anybody wants a geek distro try compiling a minial Gentoo with that rare fork of KDE. Lubuntu must be installable on any machine with ANY user. Not tried Arora, another one to look at. As the browser is probably the most important piece of software, from a users perspective, this has to be got right. The problem for me is, I like my 'bells whistles on my browser and find it hard to use some of the simpler ones. I’m quite the opposite with media players, I dislike all this play list silliness and other complications. Chromium is great. However, I still think the distro should be called Lewbuntu. :) I thought LoUbuntu :) -- Steve ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list:
[Lubuntu-desktop] browser
Please, consider that a browser needs one VITAL thing: manage certificates. Midori doesn't, Chrome does bad. Only Firefox and Arora can do it properly, but you already know the differences between them (size, speed, etc). attachment: firma_japo.png___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Default Browser
My personal vote is for Firefox and I will tell you why: The perfect default browser is one such that everyone will be capable of using it without requiring to replace it. This, in a perfect world, would be a simple decision, but we must consider at least two attributes of each browser: speed and compatibility. I am sure no one would disagree that Midori or even Chromium represent very fast browsers and even lightweight ones in the case of Midori. Unfortunately, the web has not adapted to these new browsers as plugins still will crash in these browsers (Looks at Flash) and some websites will render incorrectly. These two problems often necessitates the need to have a backup browser that more websites are compatible with. On Linux, that backup browser has to be Firefox. The fatal flaw with Midori and Chromium is that they necessitate the use of a different browser and I think any reasonable inclusion of one of these would necessitate the inclusion of Firefox for websites that one of these does not render correctly. I think that just including one of these would be a big mistake because no one wants a default browser which does not browse. That would be a major complaint. On the other side of the equation, if you include Firefox, anyone who does not bother to change their browser gets to use the most compatible browser for the web right now. If someone wants to use one of the lighter alternatives for most of their browsing, they can easily install it and they will be able to have Firefox to browse websites that do not work. TL;DR: - If you include Firefox as default, people who just want a browser that works gets that. - If you include Firefox as default, people who want a faster browser for most of their browsing can easily install that and still have Firefox ready to go when their favorite browser struggles on that incompatible web page. - If you include Midori or Chromium, people who just want a browser will likely find pages that do not work correctly. - If you include Midori or Chromium, people who like their faster browsers are happy, but when they encounter a web page that is not compatable they will either have to forget that web page or install Firefox. *Conclusion: *Include Firefox because it will avoid the worst possible outcome without inconveniencing people who want to use a lighter browser for most of their experience too much. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Le lundi 01 février 2010 à 10:30 -0500, Dwain Sims a écrit : Browsers (especially) are almost like religion. Religion for advanced users, others just want something to display Internet pages. Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktophttps://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktophttps://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Default Browser
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Shabab Mustafa shabab.must...@gmail.com wrote: @Shae Smittle, Buddy, we know the charismatic characteristics of FF very well. But you have mentioned only the PROs and how about the CONs. Don't you have any idea about how much resource FF need to run. Can you give any better reasons for what a user with enough hardware resources to run FF smoothly would choose Lubuntu instead of Ubuntu or Xubuntu? --- Shabab Mustafa ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp Midori big fault: http://www.twotoasts.de/bugs/index.php?do=detailstask_id=168 Don't alert about self signed certificates (https - SSL) So... Lubuntu will be insecure?? Mmmm, I'm starting to think on Firefox. (Chromium is very new, will be risky, maybe in Lubuntu 10.10 but the memory use is high, so, I don't like Chromium/Chrome even for my Ubuntu 10.04 with Athlon AMD + 2 GB of RAM is very high) ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Hidden Panel and Maximised Window
I’ve set my panel to automatically hide. When I have a maximised window and unhide the panel the window bobs down (I have the panel at the top). I would expect the panel to go over the title bar. Is this supposed to happen. It doesn’t do it if a normal window is right at the top, the title bar is covered by the panel. -- Steve ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Default Browser
Been using midori all day long at every site i can think of with no hiccups... going with firefox is a mistake. if you want a lightweight distro you have to make the number one program used light weight as well... otherwise its a like system but you spend most of your time in a pokey program My personal vote is for Firefox and I will tell you why: The perfect default browser is one such that everyone will be capable of using it without requiring to replace it. This, in a perfect world, would be a simple decision, but we must consider at least two attributes of each browser: speed and compatibility. I am sure no one would disagree that Midori or even Chromium represent very fast browsers and even lightweight ones in the case of Midori. Unfortunately, the web has not adapted to these new browsers as plugins still will crash in these browsers (Looks at Flash) and some websites will render incorrectly. These two problems often necessitates the need to have a backup browser that more websites are compatible with. On Linux, that backup browser has to be Firefox. The fatal flaw with Midori and Chromium is that they necessitate the use of a different browser and I think any reasonable inclusion of one of these would necessitate the inclusion of Firefox for websites that one of these does not render correctly. I think that just including one of these would be a big mistake because no one wants a default browser which does not browse. That would be a major complaint. On the other side of the equation, if you include Firefox, anyone who does not bother to change their browser gets to use the most compatible browser for the web right now. If someone wants to use one of the lighter alternatives for most of their browsing, they can easily install it and they will be able to have Firefox to browse websites that do not work. TL;DR: - If you include Firefox as default, people who just want a browser that works gets that. - If you include Firefox as default, people who want a faster browser for most of their browsing can easily install that and still have Firefox ready to go when their favorite browser struggles on that incompatible web page. - If you include Midori or Chromium, people who just want a browser will likely find pages that do not work correctly. - If you include Midori or Chromium, people who like their faster browsers are happy, but when they encounter a web page that is not compatable they will either have to forget that web page or install Firefox. *Conclusion: *Include Firefox because it will avoid the worst possible outcome without inconveniencing people who want to use a lighter browser for most of their experience too much. On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Le lundi 01 février 2010 à 10:30 -0500, Dwain Sims a écrit : Browsers (especially) are almost like religion. Religion for advanced users, others just want something to display Internet pages. Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktophttps://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktophttps://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Where do Bugs need reporting to?
Where do Bugs need reporting to? Launchpad, Bugzilla, somewhere else -- Steve ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Default Browser
Been using midori all day long at every site i can think of with no hiccups... going with firefox is a mistake. if you want a lightweight distro you have to make the number one program used light weight as well... otherwise its a like system but you spend most of your time in a pokey program ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Default Browser
I just checked out arora and midori (midori from ppa). I'm thinking midori is the best *default* option. If people want firefox, they can easily apt-get it anyay, but if we need to pick a default, and want to keep with the lightweight principles, I think midori is the way to go... Does kubuntu default to konqueror? I remember most KDE distros used to default to konqueror and firefox had to be installed separate. It's not a whole lot different than that. Doug On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 5:09 PM, supp...@buntfu.com wrote: Been using midori all day long at every site i can think of with no hiccups... going with firefox is a mistake. if you want a lightweight distro you have to make the number one program used light weight as well... otherwise its a like system but you spend most of your time in a pokey program ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Default Browser
On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 22:09:37 -, supp...@buntfu.com wrote: Been using midori all day long at every site i can think of with no hiccups... going with firefox is a mistake. if you want a lightweight distro you have to make the number one program used light weight as well... otherwise its a like system but you spend most of your time in a pokey program I have found a couple of problems sites with Midori but they appear to be known and can be overcome. Sites that claim the browser is unsupported tend to work OK, a few sites told me FF 3.0, 3.5 3.6 was unsupported. Online banking sites are another matter, obviously I can only test mine, which refuses to cooperate with Midori, Opera and FF 3.5 3.6. I am not sure if this will be a major problem, would the target group for this distro use online banking. The thing is, just how critical are these two. http://www.twotoasts.de/bugs/index.php?do=detailstask_id=399 http://www.twotoasts.de/bugs/index.php?do=detailstask_id=168 It looks like they are not going to get sorted any time soon. -- Steve ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Default Browser
On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 22:16:50 -, Douglas Stanley d...@douglasstanley.com wrote: I just checked out arora and midori (midori from ppa). I'm thinking midori is the best *default* option. If people want firefox, they can easily apt-get it anyay, but if we need to pick a default, and want to keep with the lightweight principles, I think midori is the way to go... Why do you prefer Midori to Arora? I’ve tried both and Arora just didn’t feel quite right, don’t know why though. Does kubuntu default to konqueror? I remember most KDE distros used to default to konqueror and firefox had to be installed separate. It's not a whole lot different than that. Doug It does, no FF on Kubuntu. You want it you install it. -- Steve ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
