Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Keyboard weirdness, Lubuntu Lucid Beta 3 - very fringe case

2010-04-28 Thread C David Rigby

Julien Lavergne wrote:

Le mardi 27 avril 2010 à 18:48 +0100, Steve a écrit :
  

There have been a couple of 'strange' language problems, involving
French  
 English, noticed by Phillw and myself, on Beta 2.  I would try it
with  
Ubuntu if you can, but I suspect it is the way the Lubuntu ISO is set
up.   
I have reported a bug where all the languages (139) are installed to
the  
hard drive. I think it is worth reporting anyway as anything that
messes  
up the install could mean one less user. 



Sorry for being quite on this. I spend last days trying to fix it for
the final release, but the way I generate the iso is quite limited. And
I don't want to spend too much time on it if we migrate to the Ubuntu
architecture for the next release.

If I don't find a solution, we need to chose one solution : keeping all
the languages on the CD (but installing them all) or don't ship them and
having a live-cd limited for language support.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


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OK, no worries. As I mentioned in responding to Steve, I'm going to make 
sure the hardware is OK, then retry the installation. I'll file bug 
report(s) and find a work around if I can  document it for others. I'm 
not particularly proficient in French or Italian, but it is a workable 
option for me to do a fully French or Italian installation. That might 
give us some useful comparison cases.


How much space are we talking about for installation of all 139 languages?

Regards,
David

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] main ubuntu forum

2010-04-28 Thread PCMan
Lubuntu tag + 1

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Josef rajatanpacel...@gmail.com wrote:
 I will go for 1 that mean +1
 The reason is, its easy to find. Yeah just like you said instead hidden away
 in a small corner in the dark.

 On 4/28/2010 4:55 AM, Phill Whiteside wrote:

 Hi,

 as promised I've had a chat with a very nice man regarding Lubuntu and the
 main ubuntu support forum. I see that we have two options available:

 1) A Lubuntu 'tag' much the same as the xubuntu / kubuntu etc. tags work
 2) A separate sub-forum.

 #1 is the easier one to achieve as #2 has the problems of the mods then
 having to herd stuff from the general area onto the lubuntu area. If you
 feel that #1 is un-satisfactory you may ask the Forum Council to discuss it
 at the next meeting but
 I do not think we have a separate xubuntu or kubuntu section, so good luck
 with that =)
 was the reply.

 I hope I have not exceeded what I said I would do in 'asking around' but,
 for the lubuntu tag I got
 I will ask the rest of the staff re: lubuntu tag, should be easy (I hope)

 Personally, I'd prefer the lubuntu tag rather than us being hidden away in
 some dark corner of the forum, it will encourage people to read about
 lubuntu  hopefully try it out. As always, your views on the two options are
 needed.

 Regards,

 Phill.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] main ubuntu forum

2010-04-28 Thread C David Rigby

Phill Whiteside wrote:

Hi,

as promised I've had a chat with a very nice man regarding Lubuntu and 
the main ubuntu support forum. I see that we have two options available:


1) A Lubuntu 'tag' much the same as the xubuntu / kubuntu etc. tags work
2) A separate sub-forum.

#1 is the easier one to achieve as #2 has the problems of the mods 
then having to herd stuff from the general area onto the lubuntu area. 
If you feel that #1 is un-satisfactory you may ask the Forum Council 
to discuss it at the next meeting but
I do not think we have a separate xubuntu or kubuntu section, so good 
luck with that =)

was the reply.

I hope I have not exceeded what I said I would do in 'asking around' 
but, for the lubuntu tag I got
I will ask the rest of the staff re: lubuntu tag, should be easy (I 
hope)


Personally, I'd prefer the lubuntu tag rather than us being hidden 
away in some dark corner of the forum, it will encourage people to 
read about lubuntu  hopefully try it out. As always, your views on 
the two options are needed.


Regards,

Phill.


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Option (1) sounds fine to me. Regards, David

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] main ubuntu forum

2010-04-28 Thread Jo Gerb
+1 for the tag. If there are tags for kubuntu and xubuntu, people will  
look for a lubuntu tag. If were a complete subsection, they maybe  
won't find us.


Best regards,
Jo

Am 28.04.2010 um 09:29 schrieb C David Rigby c.david.ri...@gmail.com:


Phill Whiteside wrote:

Hi,

as promised I've had a chat with a very nice man regarding Lubuntu  
and the main ubuntu support forum. I see that we have two options  
available:


1) A Lubuntu 'tag' much the same as the xubuntu / kubuntu etc. tags  
work

2) A separate sub-forum.

#1 is the easier one to achieve as #2 has the problems of the mods  
then having to herd stuff from the general area onto the lubuntu  
area. If you feel that #1 is un-satisfactory you may ask the Forum  
Council to discuss it at the next meeting but
I do not think we have a separate xubuntu or kubuntu section, so  
good luck with that =)

was the reply.

I hope I have not exceeded what I said I would do in 'asking  
around' but, for the lubuntu tag I got
I will ask the rest of the staff re: lubuntu tag, should be easy  
(I hope)


Personally, I'd prefer the lubuntu tag rather than us being hidden  
away in some dark corner of the forum, it will encourage people to  
read about lubuntu  hopefully try it out. As always, your views on  
the two options are needed.


Regards,

Phill.
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Option (1) sounds fine to me. Regards, David

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] main ubuntu forum

2010-04-28 Thread Mike Nokel

 +1 for 'Lubuntu tag'.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] main ubuntu forum

2010-04-28 Thread Goh Lip
On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 22:55:25 +0100
Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:
 Personally, I'd prefer the lubuntu tag rather than us being hidden
 away in some dark corner of the forum, it will encourage people to
 read about lubuntu  hopefully try it out. As always, your views on
 the two options are needed.

Perhaps 2 small technical points about this mailing list itself.

Could something be done so that all replies are directed back to this
mailing list rather than to the sender if the sender (inadvertently)
sends as 'cc' rather than 'to' ? (as what's being done in the ubuntu
and kubuntu mailing list)

Also can this mailing list be 'ported' or 'mirrored' to the gmane
newsgroup too?

Lastly, but I think more importantly, the exposure and 'market recall',
no.even just knowing about 'Lubuntu' is low.  Not many people have
heard of it, even the ubuntu users themselves and that's a shame.

I understand Lubuntu is not 'officially' part of ubuntu yet, (just a
part of launchpad?) and that's perhaps the reason we cannot be too
'overt' about this, but could you share with us the framework that
needs to be done to achieve this? Who knows, some of us here, besides
being good designers and techies are good in marketing and pr too? (but
I hope not in office politics and corporate shenaniganism  :) )

Thanks, regards - Goh Lip

-- 
If you understand, things are the way they are.
If you do not understand, things are the way they are.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] main ubuntu forum

2010-04-28 Thread Mario Behling
Hi Goh,

thanks for your input. Actually I think in regards to marketing
lubuntu is quite successful. There are thousands of blog entries and
many people are talking about it.

There was not a release for the general public yet and we are still at
the beginning.

So, any support from your side is welcome!

Ciao Mario


On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Goh Lip g@gmx.com wrote:
 On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 22:55:25 +0100
 Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:
 Personally, I'd prefer the lubuntu tag rather than us being hidden
 away in some dark corner of the forum, it will encourage people to
 read about lubuntu  hopefully try it out. As always, your views on
 the two options are needed.

 Perhaps 2 small technical points about this mailing list itself.

 Could something be done so that all replies are directed back to this
 mailing list rather than to the sender if the sender (inadvertently)
 sends as 'cc' rather than 'to' ? (as what's being done in the ubuntu
 and kubuntu mailing list)

 Also can this mailing list be 'ported' or 'mirrored' to the gmane
 newsgroup too?

 Lastly, but I think more importantly, the exposure and 'market recall',
 no.even just knowing about 'Lubuntu' is low.  Not many people have
 heard of it, even the ubuntu users themselves and that's a shame.

 I understand Lubuntu is not 'officially' part of ubuntu yet, (just a
 part of launchpad?) and that's perhaps the reason we cannot be too
 'overt' about this, but could you share with us the framework that
 needs to be done to achieve this? Who knows, some of us here, besides
 being good designers and techies are good in marketing and pr too? (but
 I hope not in office politics and corporate shenaniganism  :) )

 Thanks, regards - Goh Lip

 --
 If you understand, things are the way they are.
 If you do not understand, things are the way they are.


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[Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install

2010-04-28 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi Julien,

Included link is my notes for using the minimal install disk (network
install using Command Line) for those with less RAM than the GUI installer
needs.

http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18t=85p=106#p106

You were right, add-apt-repository is not included in the mini-iso; hence
the install python-software line. If you think it looks okay, I'll pop it
onto wiki. (I will remove [Note 4]).
As the beta3 now includes lubuntu-desktop ppa and you can use Synaptics to
update it i will alter the 'keep lubuntu up to date' to simply use Synaptics
(I'm adding the ppa manually on the minimal install anyway), with a note for
those who installed prior to beta3 to add the ppa.

Regards,

Phill.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] main ubuntu forum

2010-04-28 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le mardi 27 avril 2010 à 22:55 +0100, Phill Whiteside a écrit :
 
 1) A Lubuntu 'tag' much the same as the xubuntu / kubuntu etc. tags
 work
 2) A separate sub-forum.

+1 for 1) :)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] main ubuntu forum

2010-04-28 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le mercredi 28 avril 2010 à 17:32 +0800, Goh Lip a écrit :
 Lastly, but I think more importantly, the exposure and 'market
 recall',
 no.even just knowing about 'Lubuntu' is low.  Not many people have
 heard of it, even the ubuntu users themselves and that's a shame.
Well, from my part, it was done on purpose. Not advertising too much
before having something good enough to test :)

 I understand Lubuntu is not 'officially' part of ubuntu yet, (just a
 part of launchpad?) and that's perhaps the reason we cannot be too
 'overt' about this, but could you share with us the framework that
 needs to be done to achieve this? Who knows, some of us here, besides
 being good designers and techies are good in marketing and pr too?
 (but
 I hope not in office politics and corporate shenaniganism  :) ) 
It's another reason for not advertising too much. For the What is
needed, not much from our part. We need to wait the opening of the
development of the next release, to start pinging good persons. Don't
worry, it's very high in my TODO list :)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] main ubuntu forum

2010-04-28 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le mercredi 28 avril 2010 à 22:09 +0800, Goh Lip a écrit :
 The following was sent to the Kubuntu-users mailing list and the
 Ubuntu-mailing-list. But still I think there's more that can be
 done
 not just by each of us, but the 'organizational' effort, especially
 if 
 directed outside the ubuntu 'sphere' can be effective.
 For example
 
 o media coverage, emphasizing lightness and speed with codecs and
 fonts.
 o corporate free add-ons for broad-band providers (to give their 
 customers) with customized browser and slypheed defaults. (how
 expensive 
 can a 2Gb disk be?) which can be installed to the pc or as carry-on's.
 o tie-ins with companies like google (why not?) or yahoo; yes, google
 is 
 coming out with their own OS, but their main profit target is not in
 OS, 
 and other OS's which enables their main target objective would be 
 welcome. Google giving out DNS is brilliant, gaining 

Keep in mind that Lubuntu is very young, with limited feedbacks, and
limited ressources :)

It's also important to note that Lubuntu target a specific range of
hardware spec. The goal is not be universal, it's the goal of the
standard Ubuntu version :) We don't have a world domination plan :)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install

2010-04-28 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le mercredi 28 avril 2010 à 15:47 +0100, Phillip Whiteside a écrit :
 Included link is my notes for using the minimal install disk (network
 install using Command Line) for those with less RAM than the GUI
 installer needs. 
 
 http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18t=85p=106#p106 

Thanks. You should remove the use of sudo -i, running a shell with root
is not a good idea, especially for beginner.

After this, it's ok to add it to the wiki :)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install

2010-04-28 Thread Jeff Elkner
Awesome!  This will be most useful as I prepare legacy computers for
giving to students.  It fits our use case perfectly - we have plenty
of bandwidth and a bunch of older computers we would like to give
away.  Thanks to Lubuntu, new life will be breathed into them!

Thanks again.

jeff elkner

On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 3:52 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:
 Le mercredi 28 avril 2010 à 15:47 +0100, Phillip Whiteside a écrit :
 Included link is my notes for using the minimal install disk (network
 install using Command Line) for those with less RAM than the GUI
 installer needs.

 http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18t=85p=106#p106

 Thanks. You should remove the use of sudo -i, running a shell with root
 is not a good idea, especially for beginner.

 After this, it's ok to add it to the wiki :)

 Regards,
 Julien Lavergne

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install

2010-04-28 Thread Phillip Whiteside
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 8:52 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 Le mercredi 28 avril 2010 à 15:47 +0100, Phillip Whiteside a écrit :
  Included link is my notes for using the minimal install disk (network
  install using Command Line) for those with less RAM than the GUI
  installer needs.
 
  http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18t=85p=106#p106

 Thanks. You should remove the use of sudo -i, running a shell with root
 is not a good idea, especially for beginner.



 I was told that if you were running several commands as sudo, adopting sudo
 -i was the correct way to do it. But, I will remove the sudo -i and put the
 sudo in front of each command.


Phill.

 After this, it's ok to add it to the wiki :)

 Regards,
 Julien Lavergne



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] main ubuntu forum

2010-04-28 Thread Steve

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:32:05 +0100, Goh Lip g@gmx.com wrote:


On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 22:55:25 +0100
Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

Personally, I'd prefer the lubuntu tag rather than us being hidden
away in some dark corner of the forum, it will encourage people to
read about lubuntu  hopefully try it out. As always, your views on
the two options are needed.


Perhaps 2 small technical points about this mailing list itself.

Could something be done so that all replies are directed back to this
mailing list rather than to the sender if the sender (inadvertently)
sends as 'cc' rather than 'to' ? (as what's being done in the ubuntu
and kubuntu mailing list)

I’m with Goh on the one, the Reply To should be the list, I forget to  
check occasionally and have to resend a separate mail to the list. If we  
do attract new users to the list it will cause a bit of confusion.



Also can this mailing list be 'ported' or 'mirrored' to the gmane
newsgroup too?

Lastly, but I think more importantly, the exposure and 'market recall',
no.even just knowing about 'Lubuntu' is low.  Not many people have
heard of it, even the ubuntu users themselves and that's a shame.

I understand Lubuntu is not 'officially' part of ubuntu yet, (just a
part of launchpad?) and that's perhaps the reason we cannot be too
'overt' about this, but could you share with us the framework that
needs to be done to achieve this? Who knows, some of us here, besides
being good designers and techies are good in marketing and pr too? (but
I hope not in office politics and corporate shenaniganism  :) )

Thanks, regards - Goh Lip

I don’t think Lubuntu is doing badly for publicity as it’s currently 37th  
on distrowatch.com and heading back up


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] main ubuntu forum

2010-04-28 Thread Phillip Whiteside
Hi,
I just happened to ask a rather nice man 

did you ask about a tag on the main forum?
phillw: did you look recently ?
 you might try it =)
 look under prefixes ...
 about mid way down

:-D

I think I speak for every one with my reply to him

oooh, thanks - and not just from me, 10 others agreed that a tag would be
better than a sub-forum :-D
 You are most welcome =)

He's a star! Next up, add it to the getting support part of the Wiki

Regards,

Phill.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] main ubuntu forum

2010-04-28 Thread Goh Lip

On 04/29/2010 03:33 AM, Julien Lavergne wrote:


Well, from my part, it was done on purpose. Not advertising too much
before having something good enough to test :)



It's another reason for not advertising too much. For the What is
needed, not much from our part. We need to wait the opening of the
development of the next release, to start pinging good persons. Don't
worry, it's very high in my TODO list :)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


Okay, understand. Patience could be a virtue. Good luck on what you're 
doing. If there's more we could do, drop us a hint.


Can't resist one more time
Lubuntu has potential! World domination next!  :)

Regards, take care, thanks - Goh Lip


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