Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] plymouth

2010-10-02 Thread Leszek Lesner
Am 02.10.2010 03:33, schrieb Bob Trevithick:
 I really hope that it can be removed from the system, or it can be turned 
 off in a sane way.
 BTW, in the past usplash always work on my box, but plymouth is really 
 problematic.
 
 I'm over my head here, but I've heard others say that this thing is
 like a cancer that has metathesized throughout the entire system.
 That the dependencies make it almost impossible to remove.
   
Thats not true. I debugged the plymouth package in Debian for my latest
release of ZevenOS-Neptune and I can say, it works very fine with free
software drivers. With proprietary Softwaredrivers you need to attact
vga=792 or another high resolution highcolor mode for it to work.
Crashes of plymouth should not affect booting.
Deleting it is no problem.
 I sincerely hope this isn't true.

 I booted some system the other day, I forget what it was, and it just
 printed the text Booting, please wait..

 What a joy that was.  It looked so professional compared to the mess
 we've been seeing for so long now.

 /rant  :-)

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] plymouth

2010-10-02 Thread Bob Trevithick
Well, I had my little rant about this and I've gotten it out of my system. :-)

I had heard lots of people on the forums saying it was difficult to
remove, and that the best thing was to just turn off splash.  Looking
at what would be removed along with removal of Plymouth tended to
support the idea that virtually everything depended on it.

It isn't a huge deal, I guess, but doesn't make a good first
impression when I show my system to friends.  I'll try the vga= trick.
 Thanks.

On Sat, Oct 2, 2010 at 4:45 AM, Leszek Lesner leszek.les...@web.de wrote:
 Am 02.10.2010 03:33, schrieb Bob Trevithick:
 I really hope that it can be removed from the system, or it can be turned 
 off in a sane way.
 BTW, in the past usplash always work on my box, but plymouth is really 
 problematic.

 I'm over my head here, but I've heard others say that this thing is
 like a cancer that has metathesized throughout the entire system.
 That the dependencies make it almost impossible to remove.

 Thats not true. I debugged the plymouth package in Debian for my latest
 release of ZevenOS-Neptune and I can say, it works very fine with free
 software drivers. With proprietary Softwaredrivers you need to attact
 vga=792 or another high resolution highcolor mode for it to work.
 Crashes of plymouth should not affect booting.
 Deleting it is no problem.
 I sincerely hope this isn't true.

 I booted some system the other day, I forget what it was, and it just
 printed the text Booting, please wait..

 What a joy that was.  It looked so professional compared to the mess
 we've been seeing for so long now.

 /rant  :-)

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] plymouth

2010-10-02 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
Since Lubuntu is intended for low specs machines, 'splashscreen' could be
just a text saying 'Lubuntu' and in the line under that one, 5 'o' appearing
in a set of time, so it makes consistence with the idea of the distro (and
trully think that this would me a lot easier to do and time saving to
startup).

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] plymouth

2010-10-02 Thread Yorvyk
On Sat, 02 Oct 2010 22:30:09 +0200
Leszek Lesner leszek.les...@web.de wrote:


  For some reason more than 256MiB of RAM is needed for Lubuntu to install 
  with Intel on board video.

 Perhaps the on board intel card uses the system ram as share

It does share the RAM but only takes 16MiB, which still leaves 240 MiB.   
Strangely, I have just installed on an older 700 MHzIntel based machine and 
that installed OK with only 192 MiB of RAM and only took an hour including the 
online updates.


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[Lubuntu-desktop] CD not ejected at end of installation

2010-10-02 Thread Yorvyk
On the two machines I have tried  the CD is not ejected at end of installation. 
Anybody else seeing this or is it my old machines.

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Online updates not installed during installation

2010-10-02 Thread Yorvyk
I ticked the install online updates box but when I ran Update Manager straight 
after installation there were 43 updates to be installed.  These are the same 
packages that were required by an earlier installation were I didn’t tick the 
box.  The fluendo package has been installed, as I ticked that box as well.  
This is the first time I’ve tried this as the other machine was initially 
installed off-line.  Anybody else seeing this?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] plymouth

2010-10-02 Thread Julien Lavergne
And to be back to the initial problem (plymouth) : 
sadly, there was no work on plymouth integration for Ubuntu for this
cycle, which not help for its stability.

If removing it from the system seems possible, removing it from the
Lubuntu ISO seems less easier.

Anyway, it's something we could discuss for the next release.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] plymouth

2010-10-02 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
First: Isn't there a way to get a text based splashcreen without plymouth??
it would result a faster boot! (and less complicated?)
Second: a text based installer seems to me an excellent idea to make the
installation fast, since many of us and the rest of the possible users of
lubuntu would possibly use it to revamp an old machine!!
Third: the text based installer should be by default and exist no other.
Doing this, then we will not be dependent of some things that goes nuts, or
another ones that are consuming much ram AND the install would be FAST.

It's just my humble opinion :)

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