Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] cmov
On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 00:10:45 +0100 Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote: Julien, as we are the last post of support for older computers, to with Canonical and them dropping the support from the kernel for i586 and below that I thought that was the 'raison d'etre' for Lubuntu. We cannot turn our backs on these people. Just my 2 cents worth. Regards, Phill. On 21 October 2010 00:02, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 22:07:04 - Christian Stöveken launchpad@excogitation.de wrote: Hey, I just tried installing Lubuntu 10.10 on a K6 450 notebook and ran into the cmov missing problem. Since this distribution is designed to run on low end machines cmov support should be compiled into the kernel (imho). I just wanted to check if you're already aware of the missing cmov support in recent kernels. Sadly, yes. See this thread https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg02587.html We’ll probably have to support 10.04 for a bit longer for these machines. -- Steve Cook (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] cmov
Am 21.10.2010 12:38, schrieb PCMan: Is there any chance that we keep supporting these old machines? I don't see any reason to force the use of i686. Only the compiler flags need to be changed. All programs should be able to be compiled with i586. If supporting i586 is not allowed by Canonical, then I personally think we need a fork. Thats somehow insane. The community isn't big enough to host a fork. A fork would mean copy the whole ubuntu repo and recompile everything for i586. (Forking/)Taking the kernel package and add support for i586 and put it in the ppa would be much more appropiate. Or perhaps Canonical agrees to build special i586 enabled kernels that lubuntu can use. A distro aimed to provide best desktop experience for old and limited machines doesn't run on old machines at all. This is really ironic, isn't it? Yes that is kind of strange ;) On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 00:10:45 +0100 Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote: Julien, as we are the last post of support for older computers, to with Canonical and them dropping the support from the kernel for i586 and below that I thought that was the 'raison d'etre' for Lubuntu. We cannot turn our backs on these people. Just my 2 cents worth. Regards, Phill. On 21 October 2010 00:02, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 22:07:04 - Christian Stöveken launchpad@excogitation.de wrote: Hey, I just tried installing Lubuntu 10.10 on a K6 450 notebook and ran into the cmov missing problem. Since this distribution is designed to run on low end machines cmov support should be compiled into the kernel (imho). I just wanted to check if you're already aware of the missing cmov support in recent kernels. Sadly, yes. See this thread https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg02587.html We’ll probably have to support 10.04 for a bit longer for these machines. -- Steve Cook (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] cmov
I dont know anything about packaging and all but, if there was possible to make Lubuntu compatible for i586 that would be great. And if Canonical/buntu dont support it it would be nice if we could offer that. But anyway guys this is just some toughts so dont hurt me :) On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 18:38:35 +0800 PCMan pcman...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any chance that we keep supporting these old machines? I don't see any reason to force the use of i686. Only the compiler flags need to be changed. All programs should be able to be compiled with i586. If supporting i586 is not allowed by Canonical, then I personally think we need a fork. A distro aimed to provide best desktop experience for old and limited machines doesn't run on old machines at all. This is really ironic, isn't it? On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 00:10:45 +0100 Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote: Julien, as we are the last post of support for older computers, to with Canonical and them dropping the support from the kernel for i586 and below that I thought that was the 'raison d'etre' for Lubuntu. We cannot turn our backs on these people. Just my 2 cents worth. Regards, Phill. On 21 October 2010 00:02, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 22:07:04 - Christian Stöveken launchpad@excogitation.de wrote: Hey, I just tried installing Lubuntu 10.10 on a K6 450 notebook and ran into the cmov missing problem. Since this distribution is designed to run on low end machines cmov support should be compiled into the kernel (imho). I just wanted to check if you're already aware of the missing cmov support in recent kernels. Sadly, yes. See this thread https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg02587.html We’ll probably have to support 10.04 for a bit longer for these machines. -- Steve Cook (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Contact fred...@fredrikandersson.net fredrikfri...@gmail.com Messenger fritte...@msn.com ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] cmov
On 21 October 2010 11:59, Leszek Lesner leszek.les...@web.de wrote: Am 21.10.2010 12:38, schrieb PCMan: Is there any chance that we keep supporting these old machines? I don't see any reason to force the use of i686. Only the compiler flags need to be changed. All programs should be able to be compiled with i586. If supporting i586 is not allowed by Canonical, then I personally think we need a fork. Thats somehow insane. The community isn't big enough to host a fork. A fork would mean copy the whole ubuntu repo and recompile everything for i586. Does it? How many packages are compiled for 686? Or is it only the kernel? It need not be as big as a whole fork. CentOS is not forked off Red Hat, it just recompiles RHEL's free source code. (Forking/)Taking the kernel package and add support for i586 and put it in the ppa would be much more appropiate. That's true. Or perhaps Canonical agrees to build special i586 enabled kernels that lubuntu can use. Hmm. Maybe. Would they be willing, though? A distro aimed to provide best desktop experience for old and limited machines doesn't run on old machines at all. This is really ironic, isn't it? Yes that is kind of strange ;) Someone is going to have to do this soon. CentOS 5 is dropping support for 586 as well, which presumably means that Fedora already has. I think only Debian and Slackware still support 486/586. -- Liam Proven • Info profile: http://www.google.com/profiles/lproven Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/GoogleTalk/Orkut: lpro...@gmail.com Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 • Cell: +44 7939-087884 • Fax: + 44 870-9151419 AIM/Yahoo/Skype: liamproven • MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • ICQ: 73187508 ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] cmov
I wasn't aware that there are still computers using i586. Do we know what CPU models are affected ? We can sill ask to re-enable the support for Natty (very few chances to be accepted), but we need to know what hardwares are affected. Regards, Julien Lavergne On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 00:10:45 +0100 Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote: Julien, as we are the last post of support for older computers, to with Canonical and them dropping the support from the kernel for i586 and below that I thought that was the 'raison d'etre' for Lubuntu. We cannot turn our backs on these people. Just my 2 cents worth. Regards, Phill. On 21 October 2010 00:02, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 22:07:04 - Christian Stöveken launchpad@excogitation.de wrote: Hey, I just tried installing Lubuntu 10.10 on a K6 450 notebook and ran into the cmov missing problem. Since this distribution is designed to run on low end machines cmov support should be compiled into the kernel (imho). I just wanted to check if you're already aware of the missing cmov support in recent kernels. Sadly, yes. See this thread https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg02587.html -- Steve Cook (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] cmov
Hiyas Julien, Having had a chat, (oh and the forum went wild over the dropping of i586 support),. what I propose is that we support 10.04 as a LTS and not just a beta. The kernel will be supported for 5 years, it's down to the devs to decide if they will compile stuff for the LTS kernel. Obviously, you all know that ask that you do so; I do know it is a really small team but I think pcman will do his side, as for the lx team that would have to be asked. Regards, Phill. On 21 October 2010 23:53, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote: I wasn't aware that there are still computers using i586. Do we know what CPU models are affected ? We can sill ask to re-enable the support for Natty (very few chances to be accepted), but we need to know what hardwares are affected. Regards, Julien Lavergne On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 00:10:45 +0100 Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote: Julien, as we are the last post of support for older computers, to with Canonical and them dropping the support from the kernel for i586 and below that I thought that was the 'raison d'etre' for Lubuntu. We cannot turn our backs on these people. Just my 2 cents worth. Regards, Phill. On 21 October 2010 00:02, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: On Wed, 20 Oct 2010 22:07:04 - Christian Stöveken launchpad@excogitation.de wrote: Hey, I just tried installing Lubuntu 10.10 on a K6 450 notebook and ran into the cmov missing problem. Since this distribution is designed to run on low end machines cmov support should be compiled into the kernel (imho). I just wanted to check if you're already aware of the missing cmov support in recent kernels. Sadly, yes. See this thread https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg02587.html -- Steve Cook (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
