[Lubuntu-desktop] Missing help/docs
I can't remember if this has been discussed before, but the following have no documentation installed in 11.04. Sylpheed - sylpheed-doc not installed. Mtpaint - the program is unable to find the documentation so either it is not installed or in the wrong place. Gnumeric - yelp not installed. This is the first time I've looked at the help files so this may be the case in 10.04 and 10.10. RFC - before I file bug reports (if needed). -- Yorvyk ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Idea/Suggestion to say goodbye to xcreensaver
Hai everyone, Agreed the screensaver shouldn't be energy consuming, it should be the opposite. I like Mod4 + L for locking btw. Cheers, Chris Druif I like 2011/2/25 Marcelo Zacarias da Silva marc...@ciagri.usp.br On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 05:08:32PM -0500, Jorge Andrés Alvarez Oré wrote: The first time that i installed Lubuntu I've surprised when see that the default screensaver consume 60-70% of my processor. So i deactivated it. For me turn off the monitor in x minutes is enough. Lubuntu is not only for slow machine, it's a energy saving OS too. In the lubuntu.net home page say it: lubuntu is a faster, more lightweight and *energy saving* variant of Ubuntu using LXDE. So, in my opinion xscreensaver should be removed and gnome-power-preferences should be in the start menu (or whatever you call :)) Agreed. IMHO, running CPU intensive programs when the user is way makes no sense. An option to blank and/or lock the screen (automatically or by user request, like CTRL-ALT-L in Ubuntu) is useful (again, IMHO). -- Marcelo Zacarias da Silva Analista de Sistemas - CIAGRI/USP Linux User #4253 ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] No sound output to HDMI
Does anyone know how to output sound through HDMI in Lubuntu? I've done it a couple of times with Ubuntu in the past, but couldn't find anything that would allow me to do it in Lubuntu. There is nowhere to adjust sound preferences that I could see. I tried alsamixer, but didn't see anything that would do the job. I understand that Lubuntu is supposed to be lightweight, but this is a feature I would expect to find in all modern OS. Shouldn't we have a sound preferences in the menu like Ubuntu has? Tim ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Ask yourself...
Hai Tim, Welcome on the mailing-list first of all. You seem to have a pretty clear image in what might be efficient. You might enlighten us with your definition of an efficient OS. Love to hear your thoughts. Cheers, Chris On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 15:10, Tim Bernhard ohiom...@gmail.com wrote: What should Lubuntu do? I realize that being lightweight is a major focus for Lubuntu and I agree 100%. But keep in mind that the average user will have expectations for their OS and that not everyone will use it only on older hardware (Lubuntu is too nice not to use it on modern hardware!) My main point is that Lubuntu should be for everyone and not just us tweakers and geekers. I want to be able to install it on anyone's computer and not have to worry about what it won't do for them. So my question is what dose the average user expect their OS to do out of the box? Pretend you are putting it on someone's machine. Maybe your mother, or the neighbor who has never used anything other than Windows. What will they expect? Here's my list: - be efficient (most overlooked by most OS) - handle music, video and Internet - find anything on my local network - download and open files properly - let me use it with external monitors/TV as a basic media player (HDMI out) - have basic office apps (even though I don't use them) - allow basic personalization (LXDE's lack of menu editor is a bummer, but I don't fault anyone for that.) Lubuntu has come pretty close to meeting my expectations. I've had to tweak a little bit and I might still be missing a few things here and there, but overall, I love it. The one area it blows everything else away is with it's efficiency. It seems like that's the most overlooked item in all the other Ubuntu variants I've used. Tim ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Idea/Suggestion to say goodbye to xcreensaver
Hey Chris, I'm forwarding this to the list for everyone to see. But include it for those who want a CPU hogging screen beauty =P LOL, that's funny. I guess that's what I was thinking. But maybe most people wouldn't miss it anyway. If it does stay I would say disable it by default for sure. Tim -- Forwarded message -- From: Chris cyber.dr...@gmail.com Date: Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Idea/Suggestion to say goodbye to xcreensaver To: Tim Bernhard ohiom...@gmail.com Screensavers are for CRT monitors, to prevent in burning of pixels. To a lesser degree also LCD screens. Other then that I can't think of use-cases. But include it for those who want a CPU hogging screen beauty =P On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 14:48, Tim Bernhard ohiom...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, I'm really surprised that the screen saver can hit a CPU that hard. I still think should be included as an option for those who want it, but maybe people really don't use them anymore anyway. I know I haven't run one for years. On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Chris cyber.dr...@gmail.com wrote: Hai everyone, Agreed the screensaver shouldn't be energy consuming, it should be the opposite. I like Mod4 + L for locking btw. Cheers, Chris Druif I like 2011/2/25 Marcelo Zacarias da Silva marc...@ciagri.usp.br On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 05:08:32PM -0500, Jorge Andrés Alvarez Oré wrote: The first time that i installed Lubuntu I've surprised when see that the default screensaver consume 60-70% of my processor. So i deactivated it. For me turn off the monitor in x minutes is enough. Lubuntu is not only for slow machine, it's a energy saving OS too. In the lubuntu.net home page say it: lubuntu is a faster, more lightweight and *energy saving* variant of Ubuntu using LXDE. So, in my opinion xscreensaver should be removed and gnome-power-preferences should be in the start menu (or whatever you call :)) Agreed. IMHO, running CPU intensive programs when the user is way makes no sense. An option to blank and/or lock the screen (automatically or by user request, like CTRL-ALT-L in Ubuntu) is useful (again, IMHO). -- Marcelo Zacarias da Silva Analista de Sistemas - CIAGRI/USP Linux User #4253 ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Ask yourself...
On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:10:12 -0500 Tim Bernhard ohiom...@gmail.com wrote: What should Lubuntu do? I realize that being lightweight is a major focus for Lubuntu and I agree 100%. But keep in mind that the average user will have expectations for their OS and that not everyone will use it only on older hardware (Lubuntu is too nice not to use it on modern hardware!) My main point is that Lubuntu should be for everyone and not just us tweakers and geekers. I want to be able to install it on anyone's computer and not have to worry about what it won't do for them. So my question is what dose the average user expect their OS to do out of the box? Pretend you are putting it on someone's machine. Maybe your mother, or the neighbor who has never used anything other than Windows. What will they expect? Don't pick on mothers. They expect it to look and behave like Windows, especially if they have been to classes at the local school or college. Here's my list: - be efficient (most overlooked by most OS) Define efficient. - handle music, video and Internet OK, although DVD's can be a problem any most basic OS's. - find anything on my local network Most people of the type you're talking about wouldn't no what a LAN is. - download and open files properly I'd love that on any OS. - let me use it with external monitors/TV as a basic media player (HDMI out) Had very few problems with desktop machines but, portables on the other hand. They seem to be either plug 'n' play or a royal PITA. - have basic office apps (even though I don't use them) OK. - allow basic personalization (LXDE's lack of menu editor is a bummer, but I don't fault anyone for that.) Again the sort of user you're talking about rarely customises their desktop beyond changing the wallpaper. Lubuntu has come pretty close to meeting my expectations. I've had to tweak a little bit and I might still be missing a few things here and there, but overall, I love it. The one area it blows everything else away is with it's efficiency. It seems like that's the most overlooked item in all the other Ubuntu variants I've used. Tim -- Yorvyk ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Ask yourself...
For me it's really three main areas. First is battery consumption under normal use. I want my 8 hour battery to last a close to 8 hours, not less than 6 like it did with Ubuntu. Second, I look at the user interface. I hate having two task-bars when everything I need will fit in one. I never use a mouse so I like to keep everything at the top of the screen because that's where my application menus are located. Why track all to all over the screen when you can put all the things you use the most in one area - the upper left corner. I also use multiple desktops to organize my work. LXDE does all of this for me with very little personalization. I had Ubuntu Netbook Remix set up this way before, but I had to do a little more work to get it how I wanted. (And UNR was a power hog compared to Lubuntu.) Lastly, I don't want my OS to be a full time hobby. Mostly I just want it to work without having to spend much time tweaking it. I want a live USB installer, a sub-20 minute install and a then have a system that does all of the basics when it's done. That's it really. I think both Lubuntu and Pepermint One are really close to meeting all of MY expectations and I found that Lubuntu gets better battery life. Right now it is the only OS I use at home - I'm stuck with XP at work. :( Tim On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Chris cyber.dr...@gmail.com wrote: Hai Tim, Welcome on the mailing-list first of all. You seem to have a pretty clear image in what might be efficient. You might enlighten us with your definition of an efficient OS. Love to hear your thoughts. Cheers, Chris On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 15:10, Tim Bernhard ohiom...@gmail.com wrote: What should Lubuntu do? I realize that being lightweight is a major focus for Lubuntu and I agree 100%. But keep in mind that the average user will have expectations for their OS and that not everyone will use it only on older hardware (Lubuntu is too nice not to use it on modern hardware!) My main point is that Lubuntu should be for everyone and not just us tweakers and geekers. I want to be able to install it on anyone's computer and not have to worry about what it won't do for them. So my question is what dose the average user expect their OS to do out of the box? Pretend you are putting it on someone's machine. Maybe your mother, or the neighbor who has never used anything other than Windows. What will they expect? Here's my list: - be efficient (most overlooked by most OS) - handle music, video and Internet - find anything on my local network - download and open files properly - let me use it with external monitors/TV as a basic media player (HDMI out) - have basic office apps (even though I don't use them) - allow basic personalization (LXDE's lack of menu editor is a bummer, but I don't fault anyone for that.) Lubuntu has come pretty close to meeting my expectations. I've had to tweak a little bit and I might still be missing a few things here and there, but overall, I love it. The one area it blows everything else away is with it's efficiency. It seems like that's the most overlooked item in all the other Ubuntu variants I've used. Tim ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Idea/Suggestion to say goodbye to xcreensaver
Hai Tim, I thought I replied to all, not just you. But it's like I said mainly for CRT screens. Cheers, Chris P.S.: my funny bone was tingling =P Op 25 feb. 2011 16:00 schreef Tim Bernhard ohiom...@gmail.com het volgende: ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Ask yourself...
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.comwrote: On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:10:12 -0500 Tim Bernhard ohiom...@gmail.com wrote: So my question is what dose the average user expect their OS to do out of the box? Pretend you are putting it on someone's machine. Maybe your mother, or the neighbor who has never used anything other than Windows. What will they expect? Don't pick on mothers. ha, ha.. They expect it to look and behave like Windows, especially if they have been to classes at the local school or college. Let's not get too carried away! Ha, ha. But yeah they would expect Lubuntu to do everything Windows does and complain if it doesn't. But I switched my mother-in-law over to Ubuntu a few years ago. She got used to it and now she likes it. So let's not give up on these poor souls. Here's my list: - be efficient (most overlooked by most OS) Define efficient. See my last reply. - find anything on my local network Most people of the type you're talking about wouldn't no what a LAN is. Yes, but they get people like you and I to set them up anyway and then we have to show them how to use them. - let me use it with external monitors/TV as a basic media player (HDMI out) Had very few problems with desktop machines but, portables on the other hand. They seem to be either plug 'n' play or a royal PITA. I can't figure out how to output sound to my TV...I might have a royal PITA in store for me. lol - allow basic personalization (LXDE's lack of menu editor is a bummer, but I don't fault anyone for that.) Again the sort of user you're talking about rarely customises their desktop beyond changing the wallpaper. I agree. Still hoping to be able to edit menu items in LXDE as you would in Ubuntu. Not a deal breaker though and I don't expect anything to happen soon. Just dreaming. -- Yorvyk ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Add gucharmap to the default installed apps
On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:53:20 - Chris Druif cyber.dr...@gmail.com wrote: Hai everyone, Seeing we are trying to bring the Ubuntu feeling to LXDE, we should try to give the full experience, but lightweight. Seeing Ubuntu comes with a character map installed, I would like to suggest that Lubuntu also comes installed with an character map. Seeing gucharmap (ubuntu's default) doesn't require any addition dependencies and should take 561kB on disk. It was discussed in the latest meeting, and gilir suggested to put it on the mailing-list to check if anyone was against the addition, so let yourself be heard if you do. Not something I use very often, but is useful occasionally. -- Yorvyk ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Missing help/docs
Le vendredi 25 février 2011 à 12:35 +, Yorvyk a écrit : Sylpheed - sylpheed-doc not installed. Good catch, should be included (I'll fix it) Mtpaint - the program is unable to find the documentation so either it is not installed or in the wrong place. Please report a bug. Gnumeric - yelp not installed. Yes, but we need some Lubuntu specific documentation to put in yelp, or we will have the Ubuntu documentation, which could not be appropriate :) Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Pidgin Suggestion
Le jeudi 24 février 2011 à 23:32 -0300, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset a écrit : Do you have the difference between the 2 notifications, with and without pidgin-libnotify ? Can't really tell any difference... so i ran pidgin with and without it and there's no difference seeing it with xfce4-taskmanager It's more about the visual between the 2 notifications. I suspect we have the same with or without this plugin install. Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] RES: Ask yourself...
[Quote] What should Lubuntu do? I realize that being lightweight is a major focus for Lubuntu and I agree 100%. But keep in mind that the average user will have expectations for their OS and that not everyone will use it only on older hardware (Lubuntu is too nice not to use it on modern hardware!) My main point is that Lubuntu should be for everyone and not just us tweakers and geekers. I want to be able to install it on anyone's computer and not have to worry about what it won't do for them. So my question is what dose the average user expect their OS to do out of the box? Pretend you are putting it on someone's machine. Maybe your mother, or the neighbor who has never used anything other than Windows. What will they expect? Here's my list: - be efficient (most overlooked by most OS) - handle music, video and Internet - find anything on my local network - download and open files properly - let me use it with external monitors/TV as a basic media player (HDMI out) - have basic office apps (even though I don't use them) - allow basic personalization (LXDE's lack of menu editor is a bummer, but I don't fault anyone for that.) Lubuntu has come pretty close to meeting my expectations. I've had to tweak a little bit and I might still be missing a few things here and there, but overall, I love it. The one area it blows everything else away is with it's efficiency. It seems like that's the most overlooked item in all the other Ubuntu variants I've used. Tim [/quote] I agree but I am a very beginner user and I stopped using lubuntu due to networks problems, I wasn't able to find my network places like I do in windows or ubuntu. to a user like me, it is not acceptable have to write codes to find the network or mount a pen drive every time I need. Those things should work OFB. Is screen saver, wall paper and some personalization realy important right now? There is many flavors of linux doing it. what I want from lubuntu is a reliable, robust and fast OS. I don't want my OS consuming my computer resources! Vista already does it. I guess to not have screen saver to save energy sounds like an selling argument! it can be turned into a good thing. you know what I mean?? If you want to know how a regular user feels like about lubuntu, ask me ! I am one..heheh Sorry about my lack of english.. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Ask yourself...
For me the MOST important function would be support for older machines. Regards, REXMO .___. / \ | O _ O | /\_/\ .' / \ `. / _| |_ \ (_/ | | \_) \ / __\_-_/__ ~;/ \;~ Don't mess with the penguin! On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 09:52, Tim Bernhard ohiom...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.comwrote: On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 09:10:12 -0500 Tim Bernhard ohiom...@gmail.com wrote: So my question is what dose the average user expect their OS to do out of the box? Pretend you are putting it on someone's machine. Maybe your mother, or the neighbor who has never used anything other than Windows. What will they expect? Don't pick on mothers. ha, ha.. They expect it to look and behave like Windows, especially if they have been to classes at the local school or college. Let's not get too carried away! Ha, ha. But yeah they would expect Lubuntu to do everything Windows does and complain if it doesn't. But I switched my mother-in-law over to Ubuntu a few years ago. She got used to it and now she likes it. So let's not give up on these poor souls. Here's my list: - be efficient (most overlooked by most OS) Define efficient. See my last reply. - find anything on my local network Most people of the type you're talking about wouldn't no what a LAN is. Yes, but they get people like you and I to set them up anyway and then we have to show them how to use them. - let me use it with external monitors/TV as a basic media player (HDMI out) Had very few problems with desktop machines but, portables on the other hand. They seem to be either plug 'n' play or a royal PITA. I can't figure out how to output sound to my TV...I might have a royal PITA in store for me. lol - allow basic personalization (LXDE's lack of menu editor is a bummer, but I don't fault anyone for that.) Again the sort of user you're talking about rarely customises their desktop beyond changing the wallpaper. I agree. Still hoping to be able to edit menu items in LXDE as you would in Ubuntu. Not a deal breaker though and I don't expect anything to happen soon. Just dreaming. -- Yorvyk ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Pidgin Suggestion
2011/2/25 Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com Le jeudi 24 février 2011 à 23:32 -0300, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset a écrit : Can't really tell any difference... so i ran pidgin with and without it and there's no difference seeing it with xfce4-taskmanager It's more about the visual between the 2 notifications. I suspect we have the same with or without this plugin install. Sorry, i think i'm missing something (english problems), but Pidgin doesn't manage notifications without this plugin installed, so can i compare them? -- jpxsat ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Ask yourself...
For me the MOST important function would be support for older machines. We have to start from one fact: if Lubuntu can run in an acceptable way in an old machine, it will run incredibly on a newer machine. Let me use it with external monitors/TV as a basic media player (HDMI out) For me, it's a problem of my video driver... so i'm not sure that it's always a problem about Lubuntu Be efficient And i would add that it has to be beautiful, and the artwork team is doing a great job keeping both fronts in mind. Also i would add that Lubuntu is a step forward to save the planet since: - It's energy efficient - You don't have to throw away your old machine, since it will revamp a machine starting from a P2* and above giving you a full and ready to use desktop in your own language. * Other OS like Puppy Linux can do this, but THAT is a really stripped distro... -- jpxsat ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Add gucharmap to the default installed apps
2011/2/25 Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:53:20 - Chris Druif cyber.dr...@gmail.com wrote: Hai everyone, Seeing we are trying to bring the Ubuntu feeling to LXDE, we should try to give the full experience, but lightweight. Seeing Ubuntu comes with a character map installed, I would like to suggest that Lubuntu also comes installed with an character map. Seeing gucharmap (ubuntu's default) doesn't require any addition dependencies and should take 561kB on disk. It was discussed in the latest meeting, and gilir suggested to put it on the mailing-list to check if anyone was against the addition, so let yourself be heard if you do. Not something I use very often, but is useful occasionally. -- Yorvyk Some users need it... like me for doing my documents that have characters used in math classes. It seems to me a great idea for bringing a full desktop experience like Chris said! -- jpxsat ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Ask yourself...
qoute- You don't have to throw away your old machine, since it will revamp a machine starting from a P2* and above giving you a full and ready to use desktop in your own language. /quote Does the 11.04 edition in fact run on P2s? As I understand it support for old CPUs was dropped from the latest kernels... Regards, REXMO ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Ask yourself...
Well, at least 10.04 runs well on it... don't know if there's any project to compile kernels for old cpus... 2011/2/25 PYROcomp rexmo...@gmail.com qoute- You don't have to throw away your old machine, since it will revamp a machine starting from a P2* and above giving you a full and ready to use desktop in your own language. /quote Does the 11.04 edition in fact run on P2s? As I understand it support for old CPUs was dropped from the latest kernels... Regards, REXMO -- jpxsat ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] CPUs Lubuntu 11.04 (i386) will run on (was: Re: Ask yourself...)
On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:08:17 -0600 PYROcomp rexmo...@gmail.com wrote: Does the 11.04 edition in fact run on P2s? Yes. As I understand it support for old CPUs was dropped from the latest kernels... Maybe we need to add this to the Lubuntu FAQ, or something. It is already on the main Lubntu wiki page, but seems to be either not being read, or not being understood? If you feel that you were mislead by unclear wording on the wiki page at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu please say so, and suggest clearer wording we can use. Thanks! More detailed explanation: The Intel CPU architecture that was dropped was the i586 architecture. So Pentium I, and its relatives including VIA C3, AMD K6, National Semiconductor and AMD Geode, need to stick with 10.04. Pentium II is a P6 i686 architecture chip, and so should be fine with 11.04. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P6_%28microarchitecture%29#P6_based_chips for a list of i686 architechture CPU families. If anyone still has a working Pentium Pro machine, it should work fine with (L)Ubuntu 11.04, too :) Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Ask yourself...
On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:08:17 -0600 PYROcomp rexmo...@gmail.com wrote: qoute- You don't have to throw away your old machine, since it will revamp a machine starting from a P2* and above giving you a full and ready to use desktop in your own language. /quote Does the 11.04 edition in fact run on P2s? As I understand it support for old CPUs was dropped from the latest kernels... From 10.10 the 32 bit version was/is compiled for i686 instruction set which was first introduced with the Pentium. There are also more modern CPU's like the Geode and XCore86 that are not fully i686 compatible and require software compiled for i586 or early, so need to be used with 10.04. -- Steve Cook (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] No sound output to HDMI
I've read about it here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1332261 Hope it works for you. -- attachment: b3.pngattachment: b2.pngattachment: b1.png___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] No sound output to HDMI
Thanks! I'll try that when I get home tonight. I thought I might need to read up on alsamixer. I didn't know about the m switch. Hopefully this will work. Does anyone know off the top of their head what package I can add to gain access to the system sound setting via the main menu? I would like something GUI. I'm almost positive UNR 9.10 had something in it that I used once in a while. Also, could such a package be included in future Lubuntu distros? Thanks, Tim 2011/2/25 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) rafaellag...@gmail.com I've read about it here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1332261 Hope it works for you. -- http://lubuntublog.blogspot.comhttp://www.lubuntu.net b3.pngb1.pngb2.png___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Menu
These are just an annoyances that I can't get used to. Could System Tools and Preferences be placed in alphabetical order please, then the menu will be very nearly spot on. The menu icon. It's very nice but, there appears to be a lack of contrast or something. It looks like it's been left in a shop window for years and faded. I just can't put my finger on the problem but, it just doesn't work for me. I have not said anything earlier about these things as I wanted to give them time to see if they became less of an irritation. Sadly they haven't and they somehow detract from the generally 'slicker' feel that Natty is starting to show. -- Yorvyk ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] CPUs Lubuntu 11.04 (i386) will run on
On 25 Feb 2011 13:52:19 -0600, PYROcomp rexmo...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps this would be a worthwhile project: compiling support for i586? Let me know, if there is enough belief in support for i586 I will suggest it to the sl4mm3r5 group. Wow! Do you have any idea of the time it would take to recompile every single package in the entire Ubuntu repository set for i586, and then test them all for correctness?? And then either persuade Ubuntu to let us add that entire set of binary packages to their repositories somehow, or else set up our own parallel set of repositories? We're looking at tens of thousands of packages here... your group had better be both large, and very competent, if you want to do that. I think that's a little ambitious, but if you have the expertize and resources to attempt it, go for it, I'll definitely watch with interest to see how you progress :) Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] No sound output to HDMI
Le vendredi 25 février 2011 à 15:56 -0500, Tim Bernhard a écrit : Also, could such a package be included in future Lubuntu distros? Most of people doesn't deal with all the details of the sound. They just want up and down for the level :) Currently, I found 2 GUI for the sound management : - gnome-alsmixer, but it's old, depends on old libraries, and it's not maintained - gamix, I don't like the UI, but it's seems to work I'm not a real fan of the 2 previous solutions. If we can find a good program to manage ALSA with a GTK UI, we could discuss the inclusion of it. Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Inclusion of guvciew
Hi, With the removal of cheese, we have nothing to test a webcam, especially on the live-cd. Someone proposed to include guvcview. It seems to be a good choice : quite simple and not too much dependencies. Did someone already test it ? I don't have a webcam, I'll be glad if someone have feedbacks about it :) Thanks. Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Menu
On Fri, 25 Feb 2011 23:25:38 +0100 Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Le vendredi 25 février 2011 à 20:59 +, Yorvyk a écrit : Could System Tools and Preferences be placed in alphabetical order please, then the menu will be very nearly spot on. You mean the 2 sub-menus itself, of the contents of each menu ? The two sub-menus, so the menu looks like this: Accessories Games Graphics Internet Office Sound Video ___ Preferences System Tools ___ Run ___ Logout The menu icon. It's very nice but, there appears to be a lack of contrast or something. It looks like it's been left in a shop window for years and faded. I just can't put my finger on the problem but, it just doesn't work for me. Is it with all themes, or just the default one ? I don't understand what is the problem here. The new one, Ozone, for Natty. Maybe it could do to be a little bit darker. As I say it could just be me, especially if nobody else has a problem with it. -- Steve Cook (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Menu
Got to agree with Yorvyk on the menu icon lacking something. I find it a little difficult to see on my test machine's monitor. On Fri, 2011-02-25 at 20:59 +, Yorvyk wrote: These are just an annoyances that I can't get used to. Could System Tools and Preferences be placed in alphabetical order please, then the menu will be very nearly spot on. The menu icon. It's very nice but, there appears to be a lack of contrast or something. It looks like it's been left in a shop window for years and faded. I just can't put my finger on the problem but, it just doesn't work for me. I have not said anything earlier about these things as I wanted to give them time to see if they became less of an irritation. Sadly they haven't and they somehow detract from the generally 'slicker' feel that Natty is starting to show. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Menu
sorry, I mean the Ozone menu icon. I've fallen back to the default as it's easier to see On Fri, 2011-02-25 at 23:25 +0100, Julien Lavergne wrote: Le vendredi 25 février 2011 à 20:59 +, Yorvyk a écrit : Could System Tools and Preferences be placed in alphabetical order please, then the menu will be very nearly spot on. You mean the 2 sub-menus itself, of the contents of each menu ? The menu icon. It's very nice but, there appears to be a lack of contrast or something. It looks like it's been left in a shop window for years and faded. I just can't put my finger on the problem but, it just doesn't work for me. Is it with all themes, or just the default one ? I don't understand what is the problem here. Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] CPUs Lubuntu 11.04 (i386) will run on
Hiyas Jonatahan, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#System requirements sums up the decision taken. stuff will need 'back-porting' but it is not an insurmountable task. The kernel is also supported as an LTS, so we have pleantly of time :) Dropping this onto such a small team as Lubuntu is was not 'pleasant', but everyone commited immediatetly to support the i585 series as an LTS, even though 10.04 was a 'stable beta'. Regards, Phill. On 25 February 2011 21:04, Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm wrote: On 25 Feb 2011 13:52:19 -0600, PYROcomp rexmo...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps this would be a worthwhile project: compiling support for i586? Let me know, if there is enough belief in support for i586 I will suggest it to the sl4mm3r5 group. Wow! Do you have any idea of the time it would take to recompile every single package in the entire Ubuntu repository set for i586, and then test them all for correctness?? And then either persuade Ubuntu to let us add that entire set of binary packages to their repositories somehow, or else set up our own parallel set of repositories? We're looking at tens of thousands of packages here... your group had better be both large, and very competent, if you want to do that. I think that's a little ambitious, but if you have the expertize and resources to attempt it, go for it, I'll definitely watch with interest to see how you progress :) Jonathan ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
