[Lubuntu-desktop] lubuntu-desktop metapackage - Recommends vs Dependencies
Hi Guys, I've been following lubuntu for a while now, and i'm thinking of switching to it for my netbook's distro. I'm also interested in using it on low-end systems that i will donate to people. There's one thing bugging me though. On ubuntu-desktop, i can remove firefox, the openjdk (replace with Sun JDK), brasero etc, and the ubuntu-desktop package stays installed, as these are only Recommends not Dependencies. The idea here (correct me if i'm wrong?) seems to be that core desktop functionality is separate from the bundled applications - and users are free to swap these for alternatives. The thing is, lubuntu-desktop seems to have ALL of it's dependencies listed as 'Dependencies', not 'Recommends'. I want to remove xfburn (useless on a netbook), swap openjdk / icedtea for 'sun' jdk, possibly junk the card games, remove Chromium if i swap to Firefox (or proprietary Chrome), and get rid of Gnome office if i go for Libre Office (which my Netbook can handle ok). But attempting to do any of this removes the lubuntu-desktop package. The system still works, but this 'feels' wrong - i honestly don't know whether the removal of the package would affect a distro upgrade. Forcing the user to keep all these default applications also would seem to go against the idea of lubuntu as 'lightweight', at least in terms of disk space. I'm not complaining about the package selections themselves, they do seem sensible for low end machines, just about being forced to keep them if my machine can handle alternatives that suit me better, or if i wanted to remove them on a machine with a very small disk. Could whoever builds lubuntu-desktop please list only the packages required for the Desktop (X / lxde / gvfs etc?) as dependencies and set the rest to recommends please? I'm sorry if i'm reporting this in an inappropriate way - i'm not sure whether it's a bug or feature request - or even how to report such a thing on Launchpad. I do have a few more suggestions to make - based on how i've been using lubuntu so far, but i'm not sure where to submit these either - guessing Brainstorm isn't appropriate for lubuntu at this time? Anyway guys thanks for putting together a good distro - i just tried Natty Alpha 3 and it's looking good :) Richard Foulkes -- This message was sent from Launchpad by Richard Foulkes (https://launchpad.net/~rbsfou) using the Contact this team link on the Lubuntu team page (https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop). For more information see https://help.launchpad.net/YourAccount/ContactingPeople ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] lubuntu-desktop metapackage - Recommends vs Dependencies
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/05/2011 01:19 AM, Richard Foulkes wrote: The thing is, lubuntu-desktop seems to have ALL of it's dependencies listed as 'Dependencies', not 'Recommends'. ... It is 100% safe to allow the lubuntu-desktop package to be removed from your machine. It's only real function, like the other -desktop packages, is to point to a set of packages and so make it simple to install them all together, as a set. But attempting to do any of this removes the lubuntu-desktop package. The system still works, but this 'feels' wrong - i honestly don't know whether the removal of the package would affect a distro upgrade. It should make no difference at all. It is just a meta-package. It has no content. Forcing the user to keep all these default applications also would seem to go against the idea of lubuntu as 'lightweight', at least in terms of disk space. No-one is forcing the user to keep anything around that they want to remove, here. Tweak your package selection to your heart's content :) I'm not complaining about the package selections themselves, they do seem sensible for low end machines, just about being forced to keep them Again, no-one is being forced to do that -- it is OK (safe) to allow lubuntu-desktop itself to be uninstalled :) Your suggestion is not necessarily bad, but (unless Julien feels otherwise) I'm not sure we would want to make that change this far into the Natty release cycle. This list is a reasonable place to discuss ideas and suggestions for Lubuntu at the moment. Actual bugs can (and should) be reported on Launchpad, as usual. Anyway guys thanks for putting together a good distro - i just tried Natty Alpha 3 and it's looking good :) Thanks for the feedback, and welcome to the Lubuntu community! Do please help us by reporting any bugs or problems you find in the Alpha 3 release -- the more people test it, the better the next release can become. Jonathan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1ya1QACgkQUGfT4+mKBLKFkwCdG0Ipts6ZSSEcJrlD1bpmAAql QAgAn2ZyfnHM+Idg3zOyDcQlqrIV6OTQ =nMoI -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Boot problems with Natty Alpha ISOs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/05/2011 03:01 AM, Andrew Woodhead wrote: Also burn as SLOWLY as you can and use the test on the CD so you know its good Grin! If you can't boot from a CD, it is difficult to get to the menu on the CD to use the test item there :) :) You *can* manually check the md5sum of the ISO itself, since we provide those both on the relevant Lubuntu Wiki page and as a lubuntu-whatever.iso.md5 file which can be downloaded. You can also check the md5sum of what you burned to a CD-R manually, but you need the number of 2K blocks the .iso file takes up to do that, so you need to do something like dd if=/dev/cdrom bs=2k count=$(($(stat --printf %s lubuntu-natty-alpha3.iso)/2048)) 2/dev/null |md5sum and compare the output with the md5 hash value in the lubuntu-natty-alpha3.iso.md5 file. The above is a decent test to do right after burning a CD. Once you are past that stage, and assuming you have multiple PCs around, I think it is probably easier (and may even be a better test of a CD) to just boot the questionable CD in a different PC, and run the Test CD menu item there, instead. Jonathan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1ye6YACgkQUGfT4+mKBLLndQCfS/3xAGdp5/JeE4ZsFujkbPmQ TEIAnjakMprQKN24j7rExVeTvMn8Sedg =rnV3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] lubuntu-desktop metapackage - Recommends vs Dependencies
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/05/2011 08:56 AM, Jonathan Marsden wrote: On 03/05/2011 01:19 AM, Richard Foulkes wrote: The system still works, but this 'feels' wrong - i honestly don't know whether the removal of the package would affect a distro upgrade. It should make no difference at all. It is just a meta-package. It has no content. There is one difference, although it may well not matter to you. If you upgrade to a newer version of Lubuntu and the lubuntu-desktop package has changed (added to) the set of packages it points to, then the upgrade will not pull in any such added packages unless you have lubuntu-desktop present. Since it appears that you are more interested in removing things than adding them, this probably will not matter to you, but I thought I should correct myself and mention it, just in case it does matter! There is some previous discussion of this issue at http://www.mail-archive.com/lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net/msg02961.html Jonathan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1yfssACgkQUGfT4+mKBLIbywCdEiJPYTGigTwXkdCDASG3DyH1 Wt0An3gdEEmEFuOdZZYTyu072lBCka1G =LBfQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Alpha 3 intitial test and some problems.
Initial impression of the new Alpha 3 ISO. As the drive was a corrupt FAT32 windows disk I let it install over the whole disk. This it did with out any problems. Although, due to a dodgy BIOS, it did attempt to name the machine 'steve-VT8363-Invalid-entry-length-0-DMI-table-is-broken-Stop' :) As the machine has no ethernet port I didn't test the download updates option, I'll do this later when I find a NIC. In use I found LxRandR didn't save the screen settings between boots. The Ubuntu font is not used everywhere. The title bars for instance are still sans. I'll carry on testing and see what else I can find/break :) -- Steve Cook (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Alpha 3 intitial test and some problems.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/05/2011 11:34 AM, Yorvyk wrote: Initial impression of the new Alpha 3 ISO. As the drive was a corrupt FAT32 windows disk I let it install over the whole disk. This it did with out any problems. Although, due to a dodgy BIOS, it did attempt to name the machine 'steve-VT8363-Invalid-entry-length-0-DMI-table-is-broken-Stop' :) A nice simple easy to remember host name, that one :) In use I found LxRandR didn't save the screen settings between boots. The Ubuntu font is not used everywhere. The title bars for instance are still sans. Thanks for testing! Do you know if these issues existed in Alpha 2? Regardless, if you are reasonably sure that they are not unique to your PC (it doesn't sound like they would be), please create Launchpad bug reports for each of them. Jonathan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1ynJEACgkQUGfT4+mKBLKkSACcD8cyxhBteXVr1f2nMosbdGty iWwAn0MO8EanF3Kc1LjKB5OYr1rQN0Uf =ofBa -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Alpha 3 Update Manager / Apt - defaults settings
A few problems/observations found when running Update Manager. Key not installed for Lubuntu-Desktop PPA Restricted and Multiverse are enabled by default. Should they be? Natty-security and natty-updates are not enabled by default, Should they be? In Other Software: The Lucid Partner repo is listed, not enabled though. Security.ubuntu.com is listed. Shouldn't this be part of the default repos and not Other, enabled by the settings under Updates. -- Steve Cook (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Alpha 3 intitial test and some problems.
Le samedi 05 mars 2011 à 19:34 +, Yorvyk a écrit : The Ubuntu font is not used everywhere. The title bars for instance are still sans. Thanks for the tests :) I can confirm this one : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/+bug/729885 Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Alpha 3 - Theme defaults to Lubuntu and not Ozone
Theme defaults to Lubuntu and not Ozone -- Steve Cook (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Alpha 3 intitial test and some problems.
Just a question. In Gnome you can specify fonts in themes. In fact, when you choose one of those, Appearance-Properties asks you for changing that (like the suggestion of a wallpaper). * The first thing I want to do is check about specifying fonts with the murrine engine (so Ozone can use it globaly) * The second one is for PCMan: Could LXAppearance suggest that? I know that this requieres the existence of theme packages (or something like that) to change all with a single clic. What do you think? -- attachment: b3.pngattachment: b2.pngattachment: b1.png___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Ubuntu QA Testcases
Just looking at the test-cases for PCManFM here http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Applications/Pcmanfm Case ID: pfm-001 6. Right click on test and select Delete. Check that waste appears in the bin bottom right of the screen. I don't recall a bin on the bottom-right ever, I thought this had never actually been implemented. -- Steve Cook (Yorvyk) http://lubuntu.net ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Phill: your phillw.net email is bouncing!!
hiyas jonathan, Yes I am aware of it. google once again managed to screw up my account, it will be down for at least 5 days. I've told Launchpad to use my primary reserve account at phillw@vpolink.comand had my phi...@ubuntu.com one also diverted over here. To say I am not a happy bunny, would be the understatement of the millenium. As it is totally broken, i've asked Derrick if he would invoke the educational version onto it, as I am registered and have been approved (I'm also a registered charity in USA). With piglet being down, it's a pita to get passwords to set my DNS area up to do auto diverts for myself and a couple of others. Heck, it never rains, but it pours! Regards, Phill. On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 1:45 AM, Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fmwrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Phill, I hope you see this (got the email address from whois phillw.net). Your email to phi...@ubuntu.com forwards to phi...@phillw.net and that bounces! If you need help with this let me know. I looked around it the control panel but did not see anything obviously odd, EXCEPT that the MXes for phillw.net are pointed to google, not to the server hosting provider, which seems strange: jonathan@black:~/lubuntu$ dig phillw.net +short 72.55.186.69 jonathan@black:~/lubuntu$ dig phillw.net mx +short 10 ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM http://aspmx.l.google.com/. jonathan@black:~/lubuntu$ dig ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COMhttp://aspmx.l.google.com/. +short 74.125.155.27 So your phillw.net email is not going towards your phillw.net server at all. I'll see if I can fix that for you from the control panel. Jonathan - Original Message Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 00:25:00 + (UTC) From: mailer-dae...@fiordland.canonical.com (Mail Delivery System) To: jmars...@fastmail.fm This is the mail system at host fiordland.canonical.com. I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. For further assistance, please send mail to postmaster. If you do so, please include this problem report. You can delete your own text from the attached returned message. The mail system phi...@phillw.net (expanded from phi...@ubuntu.com): host ASPMX.L.GOOGLE.COM http://aspmx.l.google.com/[209.85.143.27] said: 550-5.1.1 The email account that you tried to reach does not exist. Please try 550-5.1.1 double-checking the recipient's email address for typos or 550-5.1.1 unnecessary spaces. Learn more at 550 5.1.1 http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=6596 g6si1660385wej.125 (in reply to RCPT TO command) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1y5zcACgkQUGfT4+mKBLIpVACfXZrSA8HWgMY4bBgAi5fdb8L5 +EkAni5SpxMeyssF79//OnFSEbZMB84A =ogMf -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
