Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.

2011-06-13 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le Sunday 12 June 2011 à 01:21 +0800, PCMan a écrit :
 
 A new release as 0.9.9 is required. Please help review and test the code in 
 git.
 Thanks a lot.

Thanks PCMan. So far, It's working nice on L/Ubuntu 10.10.

Some comments :
- Please bump the soname of your library each time you change your API.
Distributions can do smooth transitions between versions of
libfm/pcmanfm. Also, if you expect other applications to use libfm, you
need to use the soname.

- Is it possible to force a reload when you do any operations on a
remote place ? When I create a file on my sftp place, I expect that it
appears on pcmanfm after the creation. Monitoring is not needed, but any
user interactions should affect what pcmanfm shows.

-  I'm not sure having the tabs above the sidebar is good. I personally
prefer to have them just above the main window, like Nautilus do. But
maybe other people like this behavior ?

- Don't hesitate to do releases often, it's better for distributions :)
Even if bugs are discovered shortly after the release, you can still do
a quick X.X.1 release to fix this.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.

2011-06-13 Thread PCMan
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:
 Le Sunday 12 June 2011 à 01:21 +0800, PCMan a écrit :

 A new release as 0.9.9 is required. Please help review and test the code in 
 git.
 Thanks a lot.

 Thanks PCMan. So far, It's working nice on L/Ubuntu 10.10.

 Some comments :
 - Please bump the soname of your library each time you change your API.
 Distributions can do smooth transitions between versions of
 libfm/pcmanfm. Also, if you expect other applications to use libfm, you
 need to use the soname.
I want to do this for stable tarball releases only. In current stage
of development, change of API/ABIs can be frequent.
 - Is it possible to force a reload when you do any operations on a
 remote place ? When I create a file on my sftp place, I expect that it
 appears on pcmanfm after the creation. Monitoring is not needed, but any
 user interactions should affect what pcmanfm shows.
PCManFM should show the created files even on remote filesystems right
after you create them. Otherwise it's a bug.
 -  I'm not sure having the tabs above the sidebar is good. I personally
 prefer to have them just above the main window, like Nautilus do. But
 maybe other people like this behavior ?
Firefox + IE + Opera all does this. So does old PCManFM 0.5 series.
In addition, design like nautilus greatly limited the usability of
tabs since you can only have very few tabs due to limited space.
 - Don't hesitate to do releases often, it's better for distributions :)
 Even if bugs are discovered shortly after the release, you can still do
 a quick X.X.1 release to fix this.
Given the program is now used by so many users, it's better to have
releases with better quality.
 Regards,
 Julien Lavergne



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.

2011-06-13 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le Monday 13 June 2011 à 19:17 +0800, PCMan a écrit :
  - Please bump the soname of your library each time you change your API.
  Distributions can do smooth transitions between versions of
  libfm/pcmanfm. Also, if you expect other applications to use libfm, you
  need to use the soname.
 I want to do this for stable tarball releases only. In current stage
 of development, change of API/ABIs can be frequent.
Ok, but technically, it's used as a stable application on, at least,
Debian and Ubuntu (and probably many other distributions).

So, what is missing for having a stable release of pcmanfm ? Any major
features are still missing ?

  - Is it possible to force a reload when you do any operations on a
  remote place ? When I create a file on my sftp place, I expect that it
  appears on pcmanfm after the creation. Monitoring is not needed, but any
  user interactions should affect what pcmanfm shows.
 PCManFM should show the created files even on remote filesystems right
 after you create them. Otherwise it's a bug.
Ok, so it's a bug. I just test it with sftp, and the folder is not
refreshed when I create a directory or a file, from right click and
New.

  -  I'm not sure having the tabs above the sidebar is good. I personally
  prefer to have them just above the main window, like Nautilus do. But
  maybe other people like this behavior ?
 Firefox + IE + Opera all does this. So does old PCManFM 0.5 series.
 In addition, design like nautilus greatly limited the usability of
 tabs since you can only have very few tabs due to limited space.
But I don't think browsers are designed to work full time with a
sidebar, like a files manager. I don't think the comparaison is fully
accurate. But well, it's just personal taste here :)

  - Don't hesitate to do releases often, it's better for distributions :)
  Even if bugs are discovered shortly after the release, you can still do
  a quick X.X.1 release to fix this.
 Given the program is now used by so many users, it's better to have
 releases with better quality.
But it's better than no release at all, especially for application still
in development. Last official release is 2010-10-14 (according to
http://sourceforge.net/projects/pcmanfm/files/ ), more than six months
ago.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lxde-i18n] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.

2011-06-13 Thread Martin Bagge / brother
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On 2011-06-13 14:27, Julien Lavergne wrote:
 Le Monday 13 June 2011 à 19:17 +0800, PCMan a écrit :
 - Please bump the soname of your library each time you change your API.
 Distributions can do smooth transitions between versions of
 libfm/pcmanfm. Also, if you expect other applications to use libfm, you
 need to use the soname.
 I want to do this for stable tarball releases only. In current stage
 of development, change of API/ABIs can be frequent.
 Ok, but technically, it's used as a stable application on, at least,
 Debian and Ubuntu (and probably many other distributions).
 
 So, what is missing for having a stable release of pcmanfm ? Any major
 features are still missing ?

As far as I see it the current git HEAD is not /released/. When that
happens a git tag will be produced and a tar ball distributed to sf.net
project pages. Until then pcman do not want to bump things as they might
change numerous times before the release is done. Using git HEAD as
source for a package in a distribution is not what pcman wants (and I
support this way).

 - Don't hesitate to do releases often, it's better for distributions :)
 Even if bugs are discovered shortly after the release, you can still do
 a quick X.X.1 release to fix this.

 Given the program is now used by so many users, it's better to have
 releases with better quality.

 But it's better than no release at all, especially for application still
 in development. Last official release is 2010-10-14 (according to
 http://sourceforge.net/projects/pcmanfm/files/ ), more than six months
 ago.

I think the old saying release early, release often is key and
important. I do think we should aim for qualty too ofc but with frequent
updates it will be there and it will draw even more attention to the
product imho. I am with gilir on this one.
It also ties together with my notion of not using git HEAD to base
packages in distributions on, if there are frequent releases it is more
likely the distributions will use $LATEST_TAG rather than giot HEAD.
If needed be I am willing to set up a development model with branches
for this, this is what I do for a living anyhow (I don't think we do
need that though).

- -- 
brother
http://sis.bthstudent.se
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lxde-i18n] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.

2011-06-13 Thread Chris
Aloha oukou,

I've read all the other mails as well, but wanted to reply to this one. Is
there an easy way to update/translate sections? I might be able to help in
nl and on a side note; which language is the base as no language is 100%
translated?

With metta,

Chris Druif

On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 19:51, Martin Bagge / brother brot...@bsnet.sewrote:

 On Sun, 12 Jun 2011, PCMan wrote:

 Please help test and update translations in various distros. If things
 are ok, I propose a new release.


 PO files at Pootle (and in git ofc) are updated; these are the stats:

 LC  DoneFuzzy   TodoRatio
 af  0   0   159 0,0%
 am  0   0   159 0,0%
 ar  30  3   126 18,9%
 be  144 6   9   90,6%
 bg  150 3   6   94,3%
 bn  144 6   9   90,6%
 bn_IN   0   0   159 0,0%
 bs  0   0   159 0,0%
 ca  137 13  9   86,2%
 cs  148 5   6   93,1%
 da  148 5   6   93,1%
 de  148 5   6   93,1%
 el  150 3   6   94,3%
 en_GB   150 3   6   94,3%
 es  150 3   6   94,3%
 es_VE   0   0   159 0,0%
 et  0   0   159 0,0%
 eu  0   0   159 0,0%
 fa  148 5   6   93,1%
 fi  149 3   7   93,7%
 fo  144 6   9   90,6%
 fr  150 3   6   94,3%
 gl  151 5   3   95,0%
 he  151 5   3   95,0%
 hr  122 2   35  76,7%
 hu  148 5   6   93,1%
 id  146 6   7   91,8%
 it  150 3   6   94,3%
 ja  148 5   6   93,1%
 jv  0   0   159 0,0%
 kk  0   0   159 0,0%
 km  47  5   107 29,6%
 ko  0   0   159 0,0%
 lg  150 3   6   94,3%
 li  0   0   159 0,0%
 lt  150 3   6   94,3%
 lv  146 5   8   91,8%
 ml  0   0   159 0,0%
 ms  0   0   159 0,0%
 nb  0   0   159 0,0%
 nl  150 3   6   94,3%
 nn  0   0   159 0,0%
 pa  141 5   13  88,7%
 pl  150 3   6   94,3%
 ps  0   0   159 0,0%
 pt  150 3   6   94,3%
 pt_BR   152 3   4   95,6%
 ro  0   0   159 0,0%
 ru  150 3   6   94,3%
 si  40  0   119 25,2%
 sk  145 8   6   91,2%
 sl  150 3   6   94,3%
 sr  148 5   6   93,1%
 sr@latin148 5   6   93,1%
 sv  151 5   3   95,0%
 te  150 3   6   94,3%
 th  0   0   159 0,0%
 tr  150 3   6   94,3%
 uk  150 3   6   94,3%
 ur  0   0   159 0,0%
 ur_PK   0   0   159 0,0%
 vi  150 3   6   94,3%
 zh_CN   150 3   6   94,3%
 zh_TW   137 5   17  86,2%



 you probably ant to check libfm also:
 LC  DoneFuzzy   TodoRatio
 af  0   0   184 0,0%
 am  0   0   184 0,0%
 ar  19  0   165 10,3%
 be  135 3   46  73,4%
 bg  179 1   4   97,3%
 bn  130 4   50  70,7%
 bn_IN   0   0   184 0,0%
 bs  0   0   184 0,0%
 ca  130 4   50  70,7%
 cs  179 1   4   97,3%
 da  179 1   4   97,3%
 de  163 17  4   88,6%
 el  179 1   4   97,3%
 en_GB   179 1   4   97,3%
 es  179 1   4   97,3%
 es_VE   0   129 55  0,0%
 et  0   0   184 0,0%
 eu  0   0   184 0,0%
 fa  179 1   4   97,3%
 fi  176 2   6   95,7%
 fo  178 1   5   96,7%
 fr  179 1   4   97,3%
 gl  181 0   3   98,4%
 he  179 1   4   97,3%
 hr  162 1   21  88,0%
 hu  179 1   4   97,3%
 id  135 3   46  73,4%
 it  179 1   4   97,3%
 ja  179 1   4   97,3%
 jv  0   0   184 0,0%
 kk  0   0   184 0,0%
 km  0   0   184 0,0%
 ko  0   0   184 0,0%
 lg  179 1   4   97,3%
 lt  179 2   3   97,3%
 ml  0   0   184 0,0%
 ms  0   0   184 0,0%
 nb  0   0   184 0,0%
 nl  179 1   4   97,3%
 nn  0   0   184 0,0%
 pa  0   0   184 0,0%
 pl  179 1   4   97,3%
 ps  0   0   184 0,0%
 pt  179 1   4   97,3%
 pt_BR   181 0   3   98,4%
 ro  0   0   184 0,0%
 ru  179 1   4   97,3%
 si  

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.

2011-06-13 Thread Jonathan Marsden
On 06/13/2011 07:11 AM, Martin Bagge / brother wrote:

 On 2011-06-13 14:27, Julien Lavergne wrote:

 So, what is missing for having a stable release of pcmanfm ? Any
 major features are still missing ?

This is a key question for Lubuntu right now.

 Using git HEAD as source for a package in a distribution is not what
 pcman wants (and I support this way).

Agreed -- and the simplest way to prevent this is to release often
enough that distributions do not feel any need to package from git :)

 Last official release is 2010-10-14 ...

Which is both fairly old, and also bad timing regarding Ubuntu
releases, being only about two weeks before the Ubuntu 10.10 final release.

SUGGESTION: Let's test the current almost-0.9.9 codebase, fix any
major issues found in the next week or so, then bump the SONAME version
and release it before the end of June 2011.  Can we do that?

Since some testers seem to need packaged versions to test, I'll look at
creating a test unofficial package from git for them, so we get slightly
more testing.  Another way to go would be to release a 0.9.9~rc1
tarball, and a corresponding one for libfm, if that is preferred --
doing that means noone has to use git head for packaging :)

Jonathan

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.

2011-06-13 Thread Chris
Aloha oukou,


  Last official release is 2010-10-14 ...

 Which is both fairly old, and also bad timing regarding Ubuntu
 releases, being only about two weeks before the Ubuntu 10.10 final release.


That was 4 days AFTER the Ubuntu 10.10 release. But if you want to get
something in L/Ubuntu, you have to keep in mind the Feature Freeze [1] this
cycle set on August 11th.

With metta,

Chris Druif

[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureFreeze
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.

2011-06-13 Thread PCMan
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:48 PM, Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm wrote:
 On 06/13/2011 07:11 AM, Martin Bagge / brother wrote:

 On 2011-06-13 14:27, Julien Lavergne wrote:

 So, what is missing for having a stable release of pcmanfm ? Any
 major features are still missing ?

 This is a key question for Lubuntu right now.
See this:
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=156956atid=801864

I give the bugs different priority. The ones with highest priority
should be fixed before 0.9.9, I think. Please see if you can help.
Personally I will take this one:
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailaid=3094303group_id=156956atid=801864
This is my bottom line. At least this one should be fixed before 0.9.9.
 Using git HEAD as source for a package in a distribution is not what
 pcman wants (and I support this way).

 Agreed -- and the simplest way to prevent this is to release often
 enough that distributions do not feel any need to package from git :)
Yes, so I plan to make a new release and asked for testing here. In
the past I mistakenly released some broken stuff, and this should not
happen again, especially when there are more and more people using
this.

 Last official release is 2010-10-14 ...

 Which is both fairly old, and also bad timing regarding Ubuntu
 releases, being only about two weeks before the Ubuntu 10.10 final release.

 SUGGESTION: Let's test the current almost-0.9.9 codebase, fix any
 major issues found in the next week or so, then bump the SONAME version
 and release it before the end of June 2011.  Can we do that?

Yes, if with help from the community. No if I do it myself.
Patches from Lubuntu is appreciated.

 Since some testers seem to need packaged versions to test, I'll look at
 creating a test unofficial package from git for them, so we get slightly
 more testing.  Another way to go would be to release a 0.9.9~rc1
 tarball, and a corresponding one for libfm, if that is preferred --
 doing that means noone has to use git head for packaging :)

That's true.
 Jonathan

Actually I have a primitive button-style path bar implemented in libfm
already, but I don't have time yet to add it to pcmanfm. I decided to
do it next time. Let's fix the important bugs first and make a good
release first.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Pcmanfm-develop] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.

2011-06-13 Thread Sergio Cipolla
I'm not a developer and I can't talk about the distribution side of it, but
I'm with pcman in the sense that he has been improving and fixing bugs in
pcmanfm in a very sensible way, so after accompanying the development
process for some time I trust his priorities.

Also Ubuntu isn't a parameter for launching nothing (except its own
applications).
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lxde-i18n] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.

2011-06-13 Thread Martin Bagge / brother

On Mon, 13 Jun 2011, Chris wrote:


I've read all the other mails as well, but wanted to reply to this one. Is
there an easy way to update/translate sections? I might be able to help in
nl and on a side note; which language is the base as no language is 100%
translated?


English is the base language, if you know another language better you can 
use that as base but it is not really supported and you have to do stuff 
wourself. It's outside of using Pootle as tool at least.


Doing the updates and stuff is very easy, I use intltool-update and some 
helper scripts around git to do the things. Most are executed by cron and 
it pings me when I need to manually solve things. Merge conflicts and 
such.


nl got a new translator recently and he is very active (in cc) and you 
guys should take a chat offlist and stuff. Ping me if you need some 
assistance in any way.


Welcome!

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Pcmanfm-develop] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.

2011-06-13 Thread Sérgio Cipolla
Martin, you're the git specialist. But regarding releasing LXDE
components, maybe some could have a new release.
LXTask had a memory leak fixed and was about to be released then nobody
talked about it anymore.
Most components have much improved translations since they were last
released and these could have a minor point release.

Now an observation. In a constructive manner.
I see that Julien Lavergne is mostly the only one that has been working
on the apps but ideally, in a non technical opinion as I'm not a
programmer, I think that the master branch in git should be reserved for
bug fixes and pre-tested improvements.
Untested code (like these recent gtk3 compatibility commits that have
broken, for instance, lxpanel and lxterminal in a very basic way or
gpicview that has something that looks like a typo and makes it not even
compile) would be commited to another branch and then the commiter could
ask for testing in the mailing list.

The benefits for the workflow and for multiple contributions is evident.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Pcmanfm-develop] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.

2011-06-13 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le Monday 13 June 2011 à 19:24 -0300, Sérgio Cipolla a écrit :
 Now an observation. In a constructive manner.
 I see that Julien Lavergne is mostly the only one that has been
 working
 on the apps but ideally, in a non technical opinion as I'm not a
 programmer, I think that the master branch in git should be reserved
 for
 bug fixes and pre-tested improvements.
 Untested code (like these recent gtk3 compatibility commits that have
 broken, for instance, lxpanel and lxterminal in a very basic way or
 gpicview that has something that looks like a typo and makes it not
 even
 compile) would be commited to another branch and then the commiter
 could
 ask for testing in the mailing list. 
I done this in the past, but I didn't have any feedback about my
changes. 

git HEAD should not be used for daily usage. But it's used because there
is not enough releases of many components.

Martin and I could probably help in the process, but we don't have
access for uploading tarballs on sourceforce. That's also why lxtask was
not officially release weeks ago.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Pcmanfm-develop] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.

2011-06-13 Thread Martin Bagge / brother

On Mon, 13 Jun 2011, Sérgio Cipolla wrote:


Martin, you're the git specialist. But regarding releasing LXDE
components, maybe some could have a new release.


I guess they need that indeed. Haven't checked though.


LXTask had a memory leak fixed and was about to be released then nobody
talked about it anymore.


That's on my todo for the week, I posted[1] that I was swamped by other 
things. Did the git tag but lacked all the other parts to be able to 
release. The sitution has cleared up now and only remaining thing is to 
produce the tar file and upload it to SF.net. I guess it should be blogged 
and stuff but noone has written any release notes so I have to do that 
too, reading git log to find out what was done.



Most components have much improved translations since they were last
released and these could have a minor point release.


I am not opposing a translation only release, planning for such a thing 
might even bring attention to other things that need to get there. I am 
not skilled enough to make these decisions - just tell me that we should 
go to release and I handle the process.



Now an observation. In a constructive manner.
I see that Julien Lavergne is mostly the only one that has been working
on the apps but ideally, in a non technical opinion as I'm not a
programmer, I think that the master branch in git should be reserved for
bug fixes and pre-tested improvements.
Untested code (like these recent gtk3 compatibility commits that have
broken, for instance, lxpanel and lxterminal in a very basic way or
gpicview that has something that looks like a typo and makes it not even
compile) would be commited to another branch and then the commiter could
ask for testing in the mailing list.

The benefits for the workflow and for multiple contributions is evident.


Yes please, more testing and more contributions. I applaud.

I could make the buildbot produce the release tar files on successful 
builds if that would benefit people. I probably have to find how to make 
it build on updated git repos then. As it stands now I do the builds when 
I have time to watch them/as often as I get a build needed message from 
the Pootle server - a check is done every two hours during my working 
hours (7-24 CEST).


Ideas and thoughts about the process to make things more lean is 
appreciated. I am not a developer skilled enough to hack on the actual 
source code but I am more than willing to dig in and do processes and 
workflows and stuff like that. If I can do things in script it is even 
better.


[1] It's not available from the LXDE-list archives as that mailing 
list seem to have dropped of the Internet somehow mid May.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Pcmanfm-develop] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.

2011-06-13 Thread Martin Bagge / brother

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011, Julien Lavergne wrote:


Martin and I could probably help in the process, but we don't have
access for uploading tarballs on sourceforce. That's also why lxtask was
not officially release weeks ago.


According to a mail from pcman I do have access to upload files at SF.net 
since May or something.

Haven't checked the things yet though.

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: LXDM or Lightdm ?

2011-06-13 Thread Jorge Andrés Alvarez Oré
-- Mensaje reenviado --
De: Jorge Andrés Alvarez Oré winningl...@gmail.com
Fecha: 13 de junio de 2011 22:41
Asunto: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LXDM or Lightdm ?
Para: Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com


(Sorry for my English)
My littler opinion:
Use lxdm for this cycle (We have used for long time and seen to be fine,
also study the lightDM performance and let less work for developers for this
cycle).
Use lightDM for the next cycle (Developers will have more time for develop
and study lightDM)

2011/6/9 Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com

 Le Wednesday 08 June 2011 à 23:26 +0100, Yorvyk a écrit :
  I've been running Ubuntu Oneiric with lightdm for a while and it
  appears to behave it's self OK.
  Having had a bit of a read about it I don't see an advantage in
  either, from a user's point of view, and I'm a bit lost with the
  technical (dis)advantages.
  A few thoughts.  With the change to GTK3 and the potential problems to
  be resolved with that, are we adding another headache for the few
  competent devs we have.
  Or would having Lightdm give us one less problem, as others in the
  Ubuntu community would be dealing with it and we wouldn't have to
  worry about lxdm either.
  Would sticking with what we know be better as lxdm doesn't have any
  real problems and performs the function for which it is intended.

 In the past, we discovered some bugs in LXDM which was quite painful to
 investigate and fix. With a DM used by more people, and more developed,
 we decrease this kind of risk.

 Regards,
 Julien Lavergne


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.

2011-06-13 Thread Jonathan Marsden
On Tue, 14 Jun 2011 01:12:06 +0800 PCMan pcman...@gmail.com wrote:

 https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=156956atid=801864

OK, thanks, that's good to know.

 SUGGESTION: Let's test the current almost-0.9.9 codebase, fix any
 major issues found in the next week or so, then bump the SONAME version
 and release it before the end of June 2011.  Can we do that?

 Yes, if with help from the community. No if I do it myself.
 Patches from Lubuntu is appreciated.

Since you mentioned it:

I *already* turned  libfm patches from Julien's Ubuntu package of
libfm into a git repo for you, six commits, and posted about doing 
that to this list.  All that was left for you to do was to cherrypick
which ones you want to include in the upstream sources:

  https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg03977.html

As far as I can see, *none* of them have been included so far!  Either I did
something wrong, or else you don't really want those patches?  Help me
understand what I have to do so you will accept the commits I made for you from
Ubuntu patches, please.

 Since some testers seem to need packaged versions to test, I'll look at
 creating a test unofficial package from git for them, so we get slightly
 more testing.  Another way to go would be to release a 0.9.9~rc1
 tarball, and a corresponding one for libfm, if that is preferred --
 doing that means noone has to use git head for packaging :)

 That's true.

I'm playing with writing a script to grab the libfm git head and
Julien's package and automatically create a new package based on the
combination of the two.  It doesn't quite work yet... if it does, I'll
try to do the same for pcmanfm, and then we can create test packages for
pcmanfm testers much more easily :)

Jonathan

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