Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Glenn de Groot

Epihany is pretty good since 3.0, very stable.Midori became pretty much an 
Elementary browser and looks a little odd now, but Epiphany is well integrated, 
it looks like a cute mini Firefox.I believe dependencies are like 
Midori.Epiphany used to be not as good as Midori but the GNOME-devs worked real 
hard, and it shows.With Epiphany we are 100% sure we have GTK3 and there are 
more developers then Midori has.
If you try, don´t install epiphany but epiphany-browser, because epiphany is a 
game. :P
-Glenn

Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 19:57:02 -0200
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Lubuntu 12.04 will be GTK3, and Chromium will still be GTK2. So, to the next 
version, Chromium will be heavyweight. I think most of the people agree that 
Midori isn't really an option, and I never tested Arora to give my opinion 
about this one.
.In a way or another, I believe that the best option for now if Firefox.
Gabriel Salles

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Jonathan Marsden
On 11/05/2011 05:51 PM, Julien Lavergne wrote:

 So far, I don't see advantages to switch to Firefox. Of course, if
 the benchmarks show a real difference, I may reconsider my opinion.


Tom's Hardware regularly benchmarks browsers, but sadly only under
Windows and OS X.  The relevant page (Memory Efficiency) for a recent
test is at:

  http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/firefox-7-web-browser,3037-14.html

If (and this is a big IF) these results are similar to those in Lubuntu
on low-RAM machines, it might indeed be time to rethink use of Chromium.

Does anyone on the list have the experience, willingness and time to run
some documented and repeatable benchmarks of Chromium and FF7 under
Lubuntu in low RAM machines for us?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Chris
Are those benchmarks from Tom's Hardware documented at all? Maybe we could
rebuild those benchmarks for linux? When they are run on a low-spec
machine then the results should be the same on other machines. User tests
should be done to verify the results aren't just laboratory results.

I might be interested to builds those benchmarks systems, but would need
help with making them.

With metta, Chris
On Nov 6, 2011 8:45 AM, Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm wrote:

 On 11/05/2011 05:51 PM, Julien Lavergne wrote:

  So far, I don't see advantages to switch to Firefox. Of course, if
  the benchmarks show a real difference, I may reconsider my opinion.


 Tom's Hardware regularly benchmarks browsers, but sadly only under
 Windows and OS X.  The relevant page (Memory Efficiency) for a recent
 test is at:

  http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/firefox-7-web-browser,3037-14.html

 If (and this is a big IF) these results are similar to those in Lubuntu
 on low-RAM machines, it might indeed be time to rethink use of Chromium.

 Does anyone on the list have the experience, willingness and time to run
 some documented and repeatable benchmarks of Chromium and FF7 under
 Lubuntu in low RAM machines for us?

 Jonathan

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Ali Linx
I have a P4 PC with 512MB RAM but I can drop that to 256.
I'm ready for such tests ;)

Also, I think it's important to ask the users to vote for that, not only
us. I can start a thread on Ubuntu Forum but I need to hear first from
Julien and others about that.


On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fmwrote:

 On 11/05/2011 05:51 PM, Julien Lavergne wrote:

  So far, I don't see advantages to switch to Firefox. Of course, if
  the benchmarks show a real difference, I may reconsider my opinion.


 Tom's Hardware regularly benchmarks browsers, but sadly only under
 Windows and OS X.  The relevant page (Memory Efficiency) for a recent
 test is at:

  http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/firefox-7-web-browser,3037-14.html

 If (and this is a big IF) these results are similar to those in Lubuntu
 on low-RAM machines, it might indeed be time to rethink use of Chromium.

 Does anyone on the list have the experience, willingness and time to run
 some documented and repeatable benchmarks of Chromium and FF7 under
 Lubuntu in low RAM machines for us?

 Jonathan

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Ali Linx

 I'm not very fan of a change unless we have a strong consensus for another
 browser. But, this is my opinion :
 - We should only consider Chromium or Firefox, because they have a strong
 upstream and are well maintained. Browser is a very important part of a
 system, and we really don't have time to do maintenance on it. Adopting
 Midori for example, means we have to do the maintenance on Ubuntu (triage
 bugs, testing, maybe some packaging ...).
 - Benchmark are needed, because just saying it's light, doesn't mean it's
 always light. Also, the memory usage for Chromium is special, because it
 shares memory (there is an article from a dev of Chromium somewhere in the
 Web which explain it).
 - Finally, it needs to be light on old hardware. Remember, it's the main
 target for Lubuntu. So far, Chromium seems better on this type of machine.

 So far, I don't see advantages to switch to Firefox. Of course, if the
 benchmarks show a real difference, I may reconsider my opinion.

 Regards,
 Julien Lavergne


I DO AGREE with each and every word, period :)


On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 4:51 AM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I'm not very fan of a change unless we have a strong consensus for another
 browser. But, this is my opinion :
 - We should only consider Chromium or Firefox, because they have a strong
 upstream and are well maintained. Browser is a very important part of a
 system, and we really don't have time to do maintenance on it. Adopting
 Midori for example, means we have to do the maintenance on Ubuntu (triage
 bugs, testing, maybe some packaging ...).
 - Benchmark are needed, because just saying it's light, doesn't mean it's
 always light. Also, the memory usage for Chromium is special, because it
 shares memory (there is an article from a dev of Chromium somewhere in the
 Web which explain it).
 - Finally, it needs to be light on old hardware. Remember, it's the main
 target for Lubuntu. So far, Chromium seems better on this type of machine.

 So far, I don't see advantages to switch to Firefox. Of course, if the
 benchmarks show a real difference, I may reconsider my opinion.

 Regards,
 Julien Lavergne

 On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 15:47:26 +0100
 A. Andjelkovic andjelko...@gmail.com wrote:

  I wanted to bring up the discussion about replacing Chromium with Firefox
  in 12.04.
  I'm not sure if this was discussed on UDS, but in my opinion, this is
 worth
  looking into.
 
  Firefox has reduced it's memory usage dramatically, and I'm currently
  trying out Firefox 7 as a replacement.
  I do not have detailed memory benchmarks (yet!), but I will definitely do
  some benchmarks in the near future.
  However, I'm pretty sure Firefox has better (lower) memory usage when
  having several tabs open (more than 3).
 
  Other reasons to switch:
  GTK3
  Better desktop integration (Chromium themeing is limited and hard to
  include as default)
 
  What do you guys think?


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread ohiomoto
I also agree.  Both browsers are widely accepted work equally well for general use.  I think the question should be a) do we want to pick one and stick with it for the sake of consistency or b) always choose the lightest of the two?Tim-- Sent from my HP TouchPadOn Nov 5, 2011 9:07 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hi,

I'm not very fan of a change unless we have a strong consensus for another browser. But, this is my opinion :
- We should only consider Chromium or Firefox, because they have a strong upstream and are well maintained. Browser is a very important part of a system, and we really don't have time to do maintenance on it. Adopting Midori for example, means we have to do the maintenance on Ubuntu (triage bugs, testing, maybe some packaging ...).
- Benchmark are needed, because just saying it's light, doesn't mean it's always light. Also, the memory usage for Chromium is special, because it shares memory (there is an article from a dev of Chromium somewhere in the Web which explain it).
- Finally, it needs to be light on old hardware. Remember, it's the main target for Lubuntu. So far, Chromium seems better on this type of machine.

So far, I don't see advantages to switch to Firefox. Of course, if the benchmarks show a real difference, I may reconsider my opinion.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 15:47:26 +0100
"A. Andjelkovic" andjelko...@gmail.com wrote:

 I wanted to bring up the discussion about replacing Chromium with Firefox
 in 12.04.
 I'm not sure if this was discussed on UDS, but in my opinion, this is worth
 looking into.
 
 Firefox has reduced it's memory usage dramatically, and I'm currently
 trying out Firefox 7 as a replacement.
 I do not have detailed memory benchmarks (yet!), but I will definitely do
 some benchmarks in the near future.
 However, I'm pretty sure Firefox has better (lower) memory usage when
 having several tabs open (more than 3).
 
 Other reasons to switch:
 GTK3
 Better desktop integration (Chromium themeing is limited and hard to
 include as default)
 
 What do you guys think?


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 11/06/2011 09:24 AM, Ali Linx a écrit :

 Also, I think it's important to ask the users to vote for that, not
 only us. I can start a thread on Ubuntu Forum but I need to hear first
 from Julien and others about that.
Oh please don't, I imagine the mess and trolls for this tread :)
And also, it's not only a question of popularity, we need to consider
other aspects.

Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Ali Linx

 @ALI, is there a specific way that you're gonna make your benchmarks?
 I'm saying it so we can compare our results :)



Whatever in your mind, let me know and I'll be more than glad to do it :)
Don't have specific ideas at the time being. I'm willing to open many tabs
and monitor that. Don't have special tools to do such job.


On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
jpx...@gmail.comwrote:

 Just to get an idea, i've installed and run on my new laptop Epiphany
 3.0.4, Firefox 7.0.1, Chromium 14.0.835, Midori 0.4.0.
 Here's what i get with two facebook tabs + gmail:

 Firefox: 268,7MB ram | 0% CPU
 Epiphany: 261,3MB ram | 0-1% CPU
 Midori: 225,6MB ram | 0-2% CPU
 Chromium: 69+19,8+6,1MB ram (94,9) | 0,0,0% CPU

 I'm impress with chromium... maybe there's another process i'm missing?
 (i've only looked at the processes called chromium-browser)

 The faster to open is from far Midori (And the one that has less
 dependencies).

 I'll try later those four on my Pentium 3 machine...

 @ALI, is there a specific way that you're gonna make your benchmarks?
 I'm saying it so we can compare our results :)

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Ali Linx

 Oh please don't, I imagine the mess and trolls for this tread :)
 And also, it's not only a question of popularity, we need to consider
 other aspects.


Yes, I realized it could be a bad idea for now. Let's first decide, we as a
team then we can go public.

So, I just sent to Jean-Pierre. Any thing specific in your mind to test and
compare these two browser? I have a P4 and can drop my RAM to 256MB (it
shows 242MB actually on the Task Manager).

Let me know :)


On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 Le 11/06/2011 09:24 AM, Ali Linx a écrit :
 
  Also, I think it's important to ask the users to vote for that, not
  only us. I can start a thread on Ubuntu Forum but I need to hear first
  from Julien and others about that.
 Oh please don't, I imagine the mess and trolls for this tread :)
 And also, it's not only a question of popularity, we need to consider
 other aspects.

 Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 11/06/2011 08:45 AM, Jonathan Marsden a écrit :
 If (and this is a big IF) these results are similar to those in Lubuntu
 on low-RAM machines, it might indeed be time to rethink use of Chromium.
Yes, it missed 2 points :
- memory management on Linux (we can't rely on Windows one to do proper
comparison on Linux)
- memory usage on a limited device

At least, it shows that Firefox is probably much better than when we
done the switch to Chromium.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Julien Lavergne
Thanks for the tests. You can also use about:memory of Chromium, to have
a second source of information.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

Le 11/06/2011 04:16 PM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset a écrit :
 Just to get an idea, i've installed and run on my new laptop Epiphany
 3.0.4, Firefox 7.0.1, Chromium 14.0.835, Midori 0.4.0.
 Here's what i get with two facebook tabs + gmail:

 Firefox: 268,7MB ram | 0% CPU
 Epiphany: 261,3MB ram | 0-1% CPU
 Midori: 225,6MB ram | 0-2% CPU
 Chromium: 69+19,8+6,1MB ram (94,9) | 0,0,0% CPU

 I'm impress with chromium... maybe there's another process i'm
 missing? (i've only looked at the processes called chromium-browser)

 The faster to open is from far Midori (And the one that has less
 dependencies).

 I'll try later those four on my Pentium 3 machine...

 @ALI, is there a specific way that you're gonna make your
 benchmarks? I'm saying it so we can compare our results :)

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread A. Andjelkovic
Just finished some testing using:

Chromium 15.0.874.102
Firefox 7.0.1

No extensions, no tab history (tabs are clean).

1 tab (logged into gmail)
chromium-browser: 50.1 + 24.7 + 9.1 = 83.9 MB
firefox: 97.2 MB

2 tabs (logged into gmail, ubuntuforums.org)
chromium-browser: 54.5 + 24.7 + 9.1 = 88.3 MB
firefox: 97.4 MB

Summary:
Not only does Chromium start slightly faster, it still has lower memory
usage with few tabs running. Firefox has improved A LOT however, we should
keep our eyes open in the future.
I don't know how much the gtk2 vs gtk3 issue affects us, but I suppose we
should aim at only using gtk3 apps?

On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 Thanks for the tests. You can also use about:memory of Chromium, to have
 a second source of information.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread PCMan
Thank you for your test.
I, however, have some doubt about the chromium test.
Since midori, epiphany, and chromium all uses webkit, what makes so many
differences?
The most memory-demanding parts should be webkit and the graphics.
I don't believe that the remaining parts can cause so much impact.
A minimalist webkit browser with few features, midori, uses three times of
memory required by chromium, a complicated and feature-rich webkit browser.
Is that possible? I don't think so, and chromium even loads gtk2 as well.
So the result is really questions. Maybe chromium has some hidden resource
usage not covered by the test?

On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 11:16 PM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset jpx...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Just to get an idea, i've installed and run on my new laptop Epiphany
 3.0.4, Firefox 7.0.1, Chromium 14.0.835, Midori 0.4.0.
 Here's what i get with two facebook tabs + gmail:

 Firefox: 268,7MB ram | 0% CPU
 Epiphany: 261,3MB ram | 0-1% CPU
 Midori: 225,6MB ram | 0-2% CPU
 Chromium: 69+19,8+6,1MB ram (94,9) | 0,0,0% CPU

 I'm impress with chromium... maybe there's another process i'm missing?
 (i've only looked at the processes called chromium-browser)

 The faster to open is from far Midori (And the one that has less
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 I'll try later those four on my Pentium 3 machine...

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 I'm saying it so we can compare our results :)

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 11/06/2011 05:52 PM, PCMan a écrit :
 Since midori, epiphany, and chromium all uses webkit, what makes so
 many differences?
As far as I know, Chromium uses a patched webkit, that's probably why
the tests could be different between midori, epiphany and chromium.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
Proposal for browser benchmarks:

- First of all, run the browsers without any add-on
- Take starts time
- Watch lxtask for memory usage  cpu. Inside Chromium about:memory shows
the memory used by each browser running too. Htop?
- Watch the general behaviour
- Sites: youtube, gmail, google, facebook, ubuntu forums (each alone, by
groups of two, three, four and finally five - I don't think that old
machines could support easily more than 5 tabs opened!)

Let me know if this is enough, what else should be added or if i'm just
talking nonsenses here :P

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Yorvyk
On Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:29:10 -0300
Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset jpx...@gmail.com wrote:

 Proposal for browser benchmarks:
 
 - First of all, run the browsers without any add-on
 - Take starts time
 - Watch lxtask for memory usage  cpu. Inside Chromium about:memory shows
 the memory used by each browser running too. Htop?
 - Watch the general behaviour
 - Sites: youtube, gmail, google, facebook, ubuntu forums (each alone, by
 groups of two, three, four and finally five - I don't think that old
 machines could support easily more than 5 tabs opened!)
 
 Let me know if this is enough, what else should be added or if i'm just
 talking nonsenses here :P
 
Amount of physical RAM

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Gabriel Salles
*Maybe chromium has some hidden resource usage not covered by the test?*


To avoid this kind of doubt, I think it is better to make a new boot, open
the Chromium Browser (with tabs and common pages), and see how much of CPU
and RAM the *whole system* are using.
Then you reboot and do the same thing with Firefox.

This would be better with the alpha version of 12.04, and not with the
final version of 11.10.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Ali Linx
Just a question.
Are we going to use some kind of tools/apps to do these tests? or we'll go
for the manual approach? I mean just open LXTask and take the figures from
there?

I'm going to do a fresh install for Lubuntu 11.10, run apt-get update and
then apt-get upgrade, install Firefox and make sure both browsers are
up-to-date then start some tests.
We need to use the same tool/app for that. LXTask, Terminal, etc?

Thanks!

On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 10:07 PM, Gabriel Salles gabrielper...@gmail.comwrote:

 *Maybe chromium has some hidden resource usage not covered by the test?*


 To avoid this kind of doubt, I think it is better to make a new boot, open
 the Chromium Browser (with tabs and common pages), and see how much of CPU
 and RAM the *whole system* are using.
 Then you reboot and do the same thing with Firefox.

 This would be better with the alpha version of 12.04, and not with the
 final version of 11.10.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Chris
I was suggesting some kind of script, which could write the results in a
log file. That way all the results will be the same on all machines and
are objective. I will need some help in creating that script probably, but
I'll be on IRC tomorrow and see what I can get bunged together.

With metta, Chris

On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 19:44, Ali Linx amjja...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just a question.
 Are we going to use some kind of tools/apps to do these tests? or we'll go
 for the manual approach? I mean just open LXTask and take the figures from
 there?

 I'm going to do a fresh install for Lubuntu 11.10, run apt-get update and
 then apt-get upgrade, install Firefox and make sure both browsers are
 up-to-date then start some tests.
 We need to use the same tool/app for that. LXTask, Terminal, etc?

 Thanks!

 On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 10:07 PM, Gabriel Salles 
 gabrielper...@gmail.comwrote:

 *Maybe chromium has some hidden resource usage not covered by the test?
 *


 To avoid this kind of doubt, I think it is better to make a new boot,
 open the Chromium Browser (with tabs and common pages), and see how much of
 CPU and RAM the *whole system* are using.
 Then you reboot and do the same thing with Firefox.

 This would be better with the alpha version of 12.04, and not with the
 final version of 11.10.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Jeremy Bicha
Make sure you are doing your tests with a clean browser profile. An
easy, safe way to do that is to create a new user and login to the new
account.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Yorvyk
On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 20:51:02 -0400
Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I'm not very fan of a change unless we have a strong consensus for another 
 browser. But, this is my opinion :
 - We should only consider Chromium or Firefox, because they have a strong 
 upstream and are well maintained. Browser is a very important part of a 
 system, and we really don't have time to do maintenance on it. Adopting 
 Midori for example, means we have to do the maintenance on Ubuntu (triage 
 bugs, testing, maybe some packaging ...).
 - Benchmark are needed, because just saying it's light, doesn't mean it's 
 always light. Also, the memory usage for Chromium is special, because it 
 shares memory (there is an article from a dev of Chromium somewhere in the 
 Web which explain it).
 - Finally, it needs to be light on old hardware. Remember, it's the main 
 target for Lubuntu. So far, Chromium seems better on this type of machine.
 
 So far, I don't see advantages to switch to Firefox. Of course, if the 
 benchmarks show a real difference, I may reconsider my opinion.
 

Another thing to consider, is this vacancy at Canonical for a WebKit/Chromium 
Software Engineer.

https://tbe.taleo.net/NA3/ats/careers/requisition.jsp?org=CANONICALcws=1rid=376

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Yorvyk
On Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:02:45 -0500
Jeremy Bicha jbi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 Make sure you are doing your tests with a clean browser profile. An
 easy, safe way to do that is to create a new user and login to the new
 account.
 
Also need to ensure everybody is using the same, and latest, versions of the 
browsers.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Chris
Chromium-browser automatically checks for the latest version AFAIK. And the
script should be able to retrieve the latest version from the respective
vendor sites. If the installed version (also callable from the system)
doesn't match the latest version, then the test will fail.

With metta, Chris

On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 20:41, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote:

 On Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:02:45 -0500
 Jeremy Bicha jbi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

  Make sure you are doing your tests with a clean browser profile. An
  easy, safe way to do that is to create a new user and login to the new
  account.
 
 Also need to ensure everybody is using the same, and latest, versions of
 the browsers.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread PCMan
If you can create such a script, it helps a lot in other areas, too.
We can use it to do benchmark for other components of lubuntu as well.


On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 2:55 AM, Chris cyber.dr...@gmail.com wrote:

 I was suggesting some kind of script, which could write the results in a
 log file. That way all the results will be the same on all machines and
 are objective. I will need some help in creating that script probably, but
 I'll be on IRC tomorrow and see what I can get bunged together.

 With metta, Chris


 On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 19:44, Ali Linx amjja...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just a question.
 Are we going to use some kind of tools/apps to do these tests? or we'll
 go for the manual approach? I mean just open LXTask and take the figures
 from there?

 I'm going to do a fresh install for Lubuntu 11.10, run apt-get update and
 then apt-get upgrade, install Firefox and make sure both browsers are
 up-to-date then start some tests.
 We need to use the same tool/app for that. LXTask, Terminal, etc?

 Thanks!

 On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 10:07 PM, Gabriel Salles 
 gabrielper...@gmail.comwrote:

 *Maybe chromium has some hidden resource usage not covered by the
 test?*


 To avoid this kind of doubt, I think it is better to make a new boot,
 open the Chromium Browser (with tabs and common pages), and see how much of
 CPU and RAM the *whole system* are using.
 Then you reboot and do the same thing with Firefox.

 This would be better with the alpha version of 12.04, and not with the
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Jeremy Bicha
On 6 November 2011 14:45, Chris cyber.dr...@gmail.com wrote:
 Chromium-browser automatically checks for the latest version AFAIK. And the
 script should be able to retrieve the latest version from the respective
 vendor sites. If the installed version (also callable from the system)
 doesn't match the latest version, then the test will fail.
 With metta, Chris

No, the Ubuntu Firefox and Chromium packages don't use the built-in
update checker.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread
I like the idea of a script.. at least for most of it. The one bugaboo 
will be doing start up and shut down tests. Maybe we could use an 
appropriate signal? I'm not sure which one would be used to cleanly 
shutdown the program, but, for example, with SIGTERM we could do:


kill -n 15 $(pidof firefox)
kill -n 15 $(pidof chromium-browse)

We need to know what systems these are being run on.

Therefore:
uname -srov
lsb_release -a
cat /proc/cpuinfo
cat /proc/meminfo

We need to use new/fresh profiles.

So:
firefox -CreateProfile foo  firefox -P foo space separated list of 
URLs to be opened in tabs
chromium-browser --user-data-dir=foo space separated list of URLs to be 
opened in tabs


One problem with this is that Chromium defaults to loading a choice of 
search engines.. so it's not technically started up.


It IS important we use as many tabs as reasonable. There tends to be a 
bit of diversion in performance between browsers depending on the number 
of tabs opened.


As for getting resource usage, I'm thinking that a good solution would 
be to use proc. Rather than try to follow a moving target (e.g. lxtask), 
something more static might be useful:

cat /proc/$(pidof firefox)
cat /proc/$(pidof chromium-browse)

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