Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-10 Thread Michael Rawson
On Wed, 9 Nov 2011 17:03:14 -0500
James King jlki...@gmail.com wrote:

 What are the chances of having an installer that gives you the choice
 to install either one? Maybe even add Midori to the mix? It doesn't
 matter to me either way: both are fast enough on my netbook and each
 continues to improve.
 
 On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 2:52 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com wrote:
  Guys,
 
  With all due respect to EVERYONE, I'm not sure if this
  debate/discussion/argument is even healthy or not any more?
  I know we, as Lubuntu Team Members, must discuss between us first of all but
  we must not forget about one simple fact ... USERS have the louder voice
  IMHO. I do believe that such choice must first be made by users. I mean,
  they should agree about that.
 
  EVERYONE, and I mean everyone on Ubuntu Forum is asking us to keep Lubuntu
  as it's and to improve it to be even better BUT NOT TO follow Ubuntu's
  Steps.
  Everyone is aware that Mint is Rank 1 now on Distrowatch. Who knows what
  could happen? Do you guys know how many users has moved from Ubuntu to
  Lubuntu? I almost see 5-10 every day. I'm ready to do a survey and see how
  many actually moved to Lubuntu and will start that today, at least for my
  own information.
 
  I downloaded Fedora 16 LXDE today because I'm having Multi-Boot machine with
  many LXDE Distributions to compare between them. It has Firefox by default,
  not Chromium. This is FYI not FYA.
 
  I suggest instead of spending some time discussing about that, why not do
  some tests and send the report via mailing list?
 
  As many already mentioned, it's apt-get install and mission accomplished.
  IMHO, there are a lot to talk about rather than Firefox VS Chromium talk.
 
  I'm out of this discussion and going to do two things and get back to you:
 
  1- I'll do my test and send it via mailing list.
  2- I'll write my suggestions regarding 12.04 on my thread and send it to
  everyone.
 
 
  I don't mean to be rude here at all, just stating my humble opinion and I
  could be wrong but that's my point after all. Disagree but don't disrespect
  is my motto :)
 
  Cya
 
 
  On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Leszek Lesner leszek.les...@web.de wrote:
 
  Am 09.11.2011 15:55, schrieb A. Andjelkovic:
   Let's not think in terms of This is what I would prefer but rather
   This
   is what a user on a low spec machine would prefer.
  Isn't that the same ?
  I am running Chromium here on a 800 Mhz ARM Cortex A8 with 256 MB RAM.
  I guess that is a low machine.
  If you get to even lower hardware than both browsers feel slugish.
 
   Let's not start a war here... I don't want to be rude, but please keep
   such
   personal opinions out of this discussion.
 
  If you only choose software on the base of how much ram they use on
  ancient hardware then you will definitely fail in delivering a good user
  experience. Personal opinions matter a lot if they are supported by good
  arguments.
  And no I don't want to start a war here. I just want to discuss the
  advantages and disadvantages of both browsers.
 
 
   Google is dropping H264 support:
   http://blog.chromium.org/2011/01/html-video-codec-support-in-chrome.html
 
  Google Chrome != Chromium
 
   Firefox might do that in the future also, but it costs memory to
   sandbox each browser tab. And I believe Chromium cheats: when
   available memory gets too low, tabs begin sharing the same process so
   it's a bit harder to know what's really going on.
 
  At least from the user perspective you have still the advantage that one
  tab cannot crash the whole browser.
 
   While I'm not a Google-hater, I think it's very important for the free
   web that Mozilla continues to exist. Since Mozilla is a bit more open
   than Chromium and multiple steps more open than Android, I think open
   source fans should consider supporting Firefox if the features are
   nearly equal, which in my opinion they are. This is why I hope Firefox
   continues to remain the Ubuntu default browser. Since Lubuntu has
   different constraints in choosing default apps, I'll let Julien and
   the Lubuntu devs make their own evaluation. Both browsers are fully
   supported in Ubuntu (Canonical is looking to hire someone who can help
   maintain Chromium).
 
  I really don't think that if Lubuntu would ship Chromium instead of
  Firefox it will hurt Mozilla soo much that they have to fear their
  existens.
  And to be clear here, if we would to have choose a non free vs. a free
  software then I would also argue its definitely better to promote the
  free software. But in our case we have to made a choice between two free
  software products.
 
 
 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-10 Thread Chris
Maybe it should be a bug/feature for ubiquity? Just an idea.

With metta, Chris
On Nov 10, 2011 5:37 PM, Michael Rawson michaelrawso...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, 9 Nov 2011 17:03:14 -0500
 James King jlki...@gmail.com wrote:

  What are the chances of having an installer that gives you the choice
  to install either one? Maybe even add Midori to the mix? It doesn't
  matter to me either way: both are fast enough on my netbook and each
  continues to improve.
 
  On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 2:52 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com
 wrote:
   Guys,
  
   With all due respect to EVERYONE, I'm not sure if this
   debate/discussion/argument is even healthy or not any more?
   I know we, as Lubuntu Team Members, must discuss between us first of
 all but
   we must not forget about one simple fact ... USERS have the louder
 voice
   IMHO. I do believe that such choice must first be made by users. I
 mean,
   they should agree about that.
  
   EVERYONE, and I mean everyone on Ubuntu Forum is asking us to keep
 Lubuntu
   as it's and to improve it to be even better BUT NOT TO follow Ubuntu's
   Steps.
   Everyone is aware that Mint is Rank 1 now on Distrowatch. Who knows
 what
   could happen? Do you guys know how many users has moved from Ubuntu to
   Lubuntu? I almost see 5-10 every day. I'm ready to do a survey and see
 how
   many actually moved to Lubuntu and will start that today, at least for
 my
   own information.
  
   I downloaded Fedora 16 LXDE today because I'm having Multi-Boot
 machine with
   many LXDE Distributions to compare between them. It has Firefox by
 default,
   not Chromium. This is FYI not FYA.
  
   I suggest instead of spending some time discussing about that, why not
 do
   some tests and send the report via mailing list?
  
   As many already mentioned, it's apt-get install and mission
 accomplished.
   IMHO, there are a lot to talk about rather than Firefox VS Chromium
 talk.
  
   I'm out of this discussion and going to do two things and get back to
 you:
  
   1- I'll do my test and send it via mailing list.
   2- I'll write my suggestions regarding 12.04 on my thread and send it
 to
   everyone.
  
  
   I don't mean to be rude here at all, just stating my humble opinion
 and I
   could be wrong but that's my point after all. Disagree but don't
 disrespect
   is my motto :)
  
   Cya
  
  
   On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Leszek Lesner leszek.les...@web.de
 wrote:
  
   Am 09.11.2011 15:55, schrieb A. Andjelkovic:
Let's not think in terms of This is what I would prefer but rather
This
is what a user on a low spec machine would prefer.
   Isn't that the same ?
   I am running Chromium here on a 800 Mhz ARM Cortex A8 with 256 MB RAM.
   I guess that is a low machine.
   If you get to even lower hardware than both browsers feel slugish.
  
Let's not start a war here... I don't want to be rude, but please
 keep
such
personal opinions out of this discussion.
  
   If you only choose software on the base of how much ram they use on
   ancient hardware then you will definitely fail in delivering a good
 user
   experience. Personal opinions matter a lot if they are supported by
 good
   arguments.
   And no I don't want to start a war here. I just want to discuss the
   advantages and disadvantages of both browsers.
  
  
Google is dropping H264 support:
   
 http://blog.chromium.org/2011/01/html-video-codec-support-in-chrome.html
  
   Google Chrome != Chromium
  
Firefox might do that in the future also, but it costs memory to
sandbox each browser tab. And I believe Chromium cheats: when
available memory gets too low, tabs begin sharing the same process
 so
it's a bit harder to know what's really going on.
  
   At least from the user perspective you have still the advantage that
 one
   tab cannot crash the whole browser.
  
While I'm not a Google-hater, I think it's very important for the
 free
web that Mozilla continues to exist. Since Mozilla is a bit more
 open
than Chromium and multiple steps more open than Android, I think
 open
source fans should consider supporting Firefox if the features are
nearly equal, which in my opinion they are. This is why I hope
 Firefox
continues to remain the Ubuntu default browser. Since Lubuntu has
different constraints in choosing default apps, I'll let Julien and
the Lubuntu devs make their own evaluation. Both browsers are fully
supported in Ubuntu (Canonical is looking to hire someone who can
 help
maintain Chromium).
  
   I really don't think that if Lubuntu would ship Chromium instead of
   Firefox it will hurt Mozilla soo much that they have to fear their
   existens.
   And to be clear here, if we would to have choose a non free vs. a free
   software then I would also argue its definitely better to promote the
   free software. But in our case we have to made a choice between two
 free
   software products.