Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lxde-list] LXDE Forum

2011-11-12 Thread Benny Hult
Becouse the server where that service is running is located in Taiwan:
 8  s-b2-link.telia.net (80.91.251.25)  8.471 ms  8.442 ms  8.417 ms
 9  s-akix-i1-link.telia.net (80.91.247.111)  8.633 ms
s-akix-i1-link.telia.net (80.91.246.251)  8.730 ms  8.593 ms
10  te8-3-10G.ar2.ARN3.gblx.net (64.208.110.41)  8.546 ms  8.566 ms
te7-4-10G.ar2.ARN3.gblx.net (64.208.110.5)  8.725 ms
11  * 146.82.32.146 (146.82.32.146)  172.195 ms *
12  * * *
13  Internet-MOE-N-TANet.edu.tw (203.72.43.9)  315.365 ms  316.118 ms
315.527 ms
14  bb-NDHU-TWAREN.TANet.edu.tw (192.83.196.126)  304.362 ms  304.479 ms
305.086 ms
15  bc-HLC-CHT21.TANet.edu.tw (192.83.175.229)  323.861 ms  323.033 ms
323.782 ms
16  * * *


On Sat, 2011-11-12 at 14:56 +0800, Yao Wei (魏銘廷) wrote:
 I don't know, but the connection is smooth in Taiwan. Could Andrew explain 
 why?
 
 2011/11/11 Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset jpx...@gmail.com:
  Seeing it from Chile, with a fast connection... and it's slow!
 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lxde-list] LXDE Forum

2011-11-12 Thread Mario Behling
Hi everyone,

I just moved lubuntu.net to Amazon cloud and it works fine. Maybe we
should schedule an online chat ti discuss, if this would be a solution
to make lxde.org faster for people. We could even just use Amazon as a
mirror. No need to give up the existing servers.

@ Andrew/Meiwei: What do you think?

- Mario


On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Benny Hult hul...@gmail.com wrote:
 Becouse the server where that service is running is located in Taiwan:
  8  s-b2-link.telia.net (80.91.251.25) 8.471 ms  8.442 ms  8.417 ms
  9  s-akix-i1-link.telia.net (80.91.247.111)  8.633 ms
 s-akix-i1-link.telia.net (80.91.246.251)  8.730 ms  8.593 ms
 10  te8-3-10G.ar2.ARN3.gblx.net (64.208.110.41) 8.546 ms  8.566 ms
 te7-4-10G.ar2.ARN3.gblx.net (64.208.110.5) 8.725 ms
 11  * 146.82.32.146 (146.82.32.146)  172.195 ms *
 12  * * *
 13  Internet-MOE-N-TANet.edu.tw (203.72.43.9) 315.365 ms  316.118 ms
 315.527 ms
 14  bb-NDHU-TWAREN.TANet.edu.tw (192.83.196.126)  304.362 ms  304.479 ms
 305.086 ms
 15  bc-HLC-CHT21.TANet.edu.tw (192.83.175.229)  323.861 ms  323.033 ms
 323.782 ms
 16  * * *


 On Sat, 2011-11-12 at 14:56 +0800, Yao Wei (魏銘廷) wrote:
 I don't know, but the connection is smooth in Taiwan. Could Andrew explain 
 why?

 2011/11/11 Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset jpx...@gmail.com:
  Seeing it from Chile, with a fast connection... and it's slow!
 

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[Lubuntu-desktop] PLEASE READ IT

2011-11-12 Thread amjjawad HOOHAA
Hi there,

Long story short, PLEASE read this and reply:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11449945postcount=205

This guy (mörgæs http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=939075) has offered
his help 2 months ago. I have already talked to someone in our team about
that but he did not show any interest. His reply was unhelpful.

Now, I'm asking this publicly. To whoever in charge of our website, PLEASE
do listen to others and it's time to do some real work on our website.
www.lubuntu.net is VERY important. With such growth of this amazing OS,
it's a MUST have thing. I'm not sure how you think or what is your plans
but if truth to be told, I'm also one of those who offered some help to
update the website but the reply was so unhelpful at all.

This is a *TEAM WORK* and if one can't do that, let the team do it.

So sorry to write in such way, I'm sorry if this sound rude but I do love
Lubuntu (it's not a secret anymore) and it's not only me, many others do
that as well. Why do you block them? why not to listen to them? what will
happen if you do what others are suggesting?

Now, I'm not going to reply
mörgæshttp://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=939075but one of the team
who is in charge of our website must reply him IMHO.

Thank you so much!

ALL HAIL LUBUNTU!

P.S.
I'll inform him (mörgæs http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=939075) that
I sent his post and waiting for a reply.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] PLEASE READ IT

2011-11-12 Thread Yorvyk
On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 19:30:02 +0400
amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi there,
 
 Long story short, PLEASE read this and reply:
 
 http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11449945postcount=205
 
 This guy (mörgæs http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=939075) has offered
 his help 2 months ago. I have already talked to someone in our team about
 that but he did not show any interest. His reply was unhelpful.
 
 Now, I'm asking this publicly. To whoever in charge of our website, PLEASE
 do listen to others and it's time to do some real work on our website.
 www.lubuntu.net is VERY important. With such growth of this amazing OS,
 it's a MUST have thing. I'm not sure how you think or what is your plans
 but if truth to be told, I'm also one of those who offered some help to
 update the website but the reply was so unhelpful at all.
 
 This is a *TEAM WORK* and if one can't do that, let the team do it.
 
 So sorry to write in such way, I'm sorry if this sound rude but I do love
 Lubuntu (it's not a secret anymore) and it's not only me, many others do
 that as well. Why do you block them? why not to listen to them? what will
 happen if you do what others are suggesting?
 
 Now, I'm not going to reply
 mörgæshttp://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=939075but one of the team
 who is in charge of our website must reply him IMHO.
 
 Thank you so much!
 
 ALL HAIL LUBUNTU!
 
 P.S.
 I'll inform him (mörgæs http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=939075) that
 I sent his post and waiting for a reply.
 
I would suggest, that if mörgæs really wants to help, he produces some mock-ups 
of the site and/or points us to some examples of his work that overcome the 
percieved problems with lubuntu.net.  Waiting for other people will never 
achieve anything, nor will threats.  The lubuntu team is very small and very 
busy, often with real life.  I haven't been able to put the amount of work into 
the last couple of releases that I would of liked due to real life.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] PLEASE READ IT

2011-11-12 Thread amjjawad HOOHAA
Thank you for your reply, Yorvuk :)

I'm very much aware of what you wrote but what we all need to be aware is
one simple fact. Lubuntu is growing bigger and if we won't be as fast as
its growth, well, I'm afraid we won't be able to catch up with that.

Having the said, and because I do believe in ACTIONS more than words, I'd
like to inform everyone that Myself and Martin (mörgæs) are willing to help
each other and start a small Marketing Team which will take care first of
all about our website and that will be the very first beginning and that is
exactly what Lubuntu Needs (what the website needs).

I need to hear back from you ... what do you think? since everyone busy
with real life, Me and Martin are willing to help with the Website.

Thank you!

P.S.
Martin has already joined the team so:

Hello and Welcome Martin to a *NEW WORLD* where *Wings* and *Speed of
Light*are your basic tools to explore this astonishing, exceptional,
unbelievable, remarkable and stunning master piece we do call *L*ubuntu



I would suggest, that if mörgæs really wants to help, he produces some
 mock-ups of the site and/or points us to some examples of his work that
 overcome the percieved problems with lubuntu.net.  Waiting for other
 people will never achieve anything, nor will threats.  The lubuntu team is
 very small and very busy, often with real life.  I haven't been able to put
 the amount of work into the last couple of releases that I would of liked
 due to real life.


On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 8:54 PM, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.comwrote:

 On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 19:30:02 +0400
 amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi there,
 
  Long story short, PLEASE read this and reply:
 
  http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11449945postcount=205
 
  This guy (mörgæs http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=939075) has
 offered
  his help 2 months ago. I have already talked to someone in our team about
  that but he did not show any interest. His reply was unhelpful.
 
  Now, I'm asking this publicly. To whoever in charge of our website,
 PLEASE
  do listen to others and it's time to do some real work on our website.
  www.lubuntu.net is VERY important. With such growth of this amazing OS,
  it's a MUST have thing. I'm not sure how you think or what is your plans
  but if truth to be told, I'm also one of those who offered some help to
  update the website but the reply was so unhelpful at all.
 
  This is a *TEAM WORK* and if one can't do that, let the team do it.
 
  So sorry to write in such way, I'm sorry if this sound rude but I do love
  Lubuntu (it's not a secret anymore) and it's not only me, many others do
  that as well. Why do you block them? why not to listen to them? what will
  happen if you do what others are suggesting?
 
  Now, I'm not going to reply
  mörgæshttp://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=939075but one of the team
  who is in charge of our website must reply him IMHO.
 
  Thank you so much!
 
  ALL HAIL LUBUNTU!
 
  P.S.
  I'll inform him (mörgæs http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=939075)
 that
  I sent his post and waiting for a reply.
 
 I would suggest, that if mörgæs really wants to help, he produces some
 mock-ups of the site and/or points us to some examples of his work that
 overcome the percieved problems with lubuntu.net.  Waiting for other
 people will never achieve anything, nor will threats.  The lubuntu team is
 very small and very busy, often with real life.  I haven't been able to put
 the amount of work into the last couple of releases that I would of liked
 due to real life.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] PLEASE READ IT

2011-11-12 Thread amjjawad HOOHAA
Hi Phill,

Can I take that as a YES and GO for me and Martin to start working on our
little project to improve the website?

Thanks!

On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 11:08 PM, Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 Hi amjjawad,

 As you will be aware, hosting for lubuntu,net has only just been gotten
 again. The site was exceeding the bandwidth allowance. As has been
 mentioned previously, please make some mock ups so that the site controller
 can look into how they could be implemented.

 Regards,

 Phill.


 On 12 November 2011 17:31, amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thank you for your reply, Yorvuk :)

 I'm very much aware of what you wrote but what we all need to be aware is
 one simple fact. Lubuntu is growing bigger and if we won't be as fast as
 its growth, well, I'm afraid we won't be able to catch up with that.

 Having the said, and because I do believe in ACTIONS more than words, I'd
 like to inform everyone that Myself and Martin (mörgæs) are willing to help
 each other and start a small Marketing Team which will take care first of
 all about our website and that will be the very first beginning and that is
 exactly what Lubuntu Needs (what the website needs).

 I need to hear back from you ... what do you think? since everyone busy
 with real life, Me and Martin are willing to help with the Website.

 Thank you!

 P.S.
 Martin has already joined the team so:

 Hello and Welcome Martin to a *NEW WORLD* where *Wings* and *Speed of
 Light* are your basic tools to explore this astonishing, exceptional,
 unbelievable, remarkable and stunning master piece we do call *L*ubuntu



 I would suggest, that if mörgæs really wants to help, he produces some
 mock-ups of the site and/or points us to some examples of his work that
 overcome the percieved problems with lubuntu.net.  Waiting for other
 people will never achieve anything, nor will threats.  The lubuntu team is
 very small and very busy, often with real life.  I haven't been able to put
 the amount of work into the last couple of releases that I would of liked
 due to real life.


 On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 8:54 PM, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.comwrote:

 On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 19:30:02 +0400
 amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi there,
 
  Long story short, PLEASE read this and reply:
 
  http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11449945postcount=205
 
  This guy (mörgæs http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=939075) has
 offered
  his help 2 months ago. I have already talked to someone in our team
 about
  that but he did not show any interest. His reply was unhelpful.
 
  Now, I'm asking this publicly. To whoever in charge of our website,
 PLEASE
  do listen to others and it's time to do some real work on our website.
  www.lubuntu.net is VERY important. With such growth of this amazing
 OS,
  it's a MUST have thing. I'm not sure how you think or what is your
 plans
  but if truth to be told, I'm also one of those who offered some help to
  update the website but the reply was so unhelpful at all.
 
  This is a *TEAM WORK* and if one can't do that, let the team do it.
 
  So sorry to write in such way, I'm sorry if this sound rude but I do
 love
  Lubuntu (it's not a secret anymore) and it's not only me, many others
 do
  that as well. Why do you block them? why not to listen to them? what
 will
  happen if you do what others are suggesting?
 
  Now, I'm not going to reply
  mörgæshttp://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=939075but one of the team
  who is in charge of our website must reply him IMHO.
 
  Thank you so much!
 
  ALL HAIL LUBUNTU!
 
  P.S.
  I'll inform him (mörgæs http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=939075)
 that
  I sent his post and waiting for a reply.
 
 I would suggest, that if mörgæs really wants to help, he produces some
 mock-ups of the site and/or points us to some examples of his work that
 overcome the percieved problems with lubuntu.net.  Waiting for other
 people will never achieve anything, nor will threats.  The lubuntu team is
 very small and very busy, often with real life.  I haven't been able to put
 the amount of work into the last couple of releases that I would of liked
 due to real life.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] PLEASE READ IT

2011-11-12 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hi amjjawad,

As you will be aware, hosting for lubuntu,net has only just been gotten
again. The site was exceeding the bandwidth allowance. As has been
mentioned previously, please make some mock ups so that the site controller
can look into how they could be implemented.

Regards,

Phill.

On 12 November 2011 17:31, amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thank you for your reply, Yorvuk :)

 I'm very much aware of what you wrote but what we all need to be aware is
 one simple fact. Lubuntu is growing bigger and if we won't be as fast as
 its growth, well, I'm afraid we won't be able to catch up with that.

 Having the said, and because I do believe in ACTIONS more than words, I'd
 like to inform everyone that Myself and Martin (mörgæs) are willing to help
 each other and start a small Marketing Team which will take care first of
 all about our website and that will be the very first beginning and that is
 exactly what Lubuntu Needs (what the website needs).

 I need to hear back from you ... what do you think? since everyone busy
 with real life, Me and Martin are willing to help with the Website.

 Thank you!

 P.S.
 Martin has already joined the team so:

 Hello and Welcome Martin to a *NEW WORLD* where *Wings* and *Speed of
 Light* are your basic tools to explore this astonishing, exceptional,
 unbelievable, remarkable and stunning master piece we do call *L*ubuntu



 I would suggest, that if mörgæs really wants to help, he produces some
 mock-ups of the site and/or points us to some examples of his work that
 overcome the percieved problems with lubuntu.net.  Waiting for other
 people will never achieve anything, nor will threats.  The lubuntu team is
 very small and very busy, often with real life.  I haven't been able to put
 the amount of work into the last couple of releases that I would of liked
 due to real life.


 On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 8:54 PM, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.comwrote:

 On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 19:30:02 +0400
 amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi there,
 
  Long story short, PLEASE read this and reply:
 
  http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11449945postcount=205
 
  This guy (mörgæs http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=939075) has
 offered
  his help 2 months ago. I have already talked to someone in our team
 about
  that but he did not show any interest. His reply was unhelpful.
 
  Now, I'm asking this publicly. To whoever in charge of our website,
 PLEASE
  do listen to others and it's time to do some real work on our website.
  www.lubuntu.net is VERY important. With such growth of this amazing OS,
  it's a MUST have thing. I'm not sure how you think or what is your plans
  but if truth to be told, I'm also one of those who offered some help to
  update the website but the reply was so unhelpful at all.
 
  This is a *TEAM WORK* and if one can't do that, let the team do it.
 
  So sorry to write in such way, I'm sorry if this sound rude but I do
 love
  Lubuntu (it's not a secret anymore) and it's not only me, many others do
  that as well. Why do you block them? why not to listen to them? what
 will
  happen if you do what others are suggesting?
 
  Now, I'm not going to reply
  mörgæshttp://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=939075but one of the team
  who is in charge of our website must reply him IMHO.
 
  Thank you so much!
 
  ALL HAIL LUBUNTU!
 
  P.S.
  I'll inform him (mörgæs http://ubuntuforums.org/member.php?u=939075)
 that
  I sent his post and waiting for a reply.
 
 I would suggest, that if mörgæs really wants to help, he produces some
 mock-ups of the site and/or points us to some examples of his work that
 overcome the percieved problems with lubuntu.net.  Waiting for other
 people will never achieve anything, nor will threats.  The lubuntu team is
 very small and very busy, often with real life.  I haven't been able to put
 the amount of work into the last couple of releases that I would of liked
 due to real life.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] PLEASE READ IT

2011-11-12 Thread Martin Olesen
Hi everybody.


Thanks for letting me join the group. I am Mörgæs from Ubuntuforums, and I
have been a full-time Buntu user since 5.10. I don't expect people to
understand Icelandic, so let me first of all reveal that the name means
penguin - though we don't have them around here.


As you may have seen already, I have some ideas for a new web site:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11449945postcount=205

I shall save you from the full explanation. You will see a demo later, as I
believe in show it, don't tell it. Long story short: I am focusing on
receiving the beginner having Windows background and the intermediate user
having Ubuntu (but not Lubuntu) background. Also, the site should have a
clear hierarchy indicating what is important to the user right here, right
now, and what can be left for later.

For now I just ask for an indication like yes, we would like to experiment
and consider a new wording on the web side. If on the other hand the
general opinion is that the site can not be improved, there is no point in
going further.

I expect to be working together with Amjjawad. Our scope is text and
layout, and later on we would be happy to work with someone capable of
graphics and illustrations.

So, what do you say?


Regards
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] PLEASE READ IT

2011-11-12 Thread A. Andjelkovic
Go for it guys :). If you bring up good ideas, together with mockups,
your ideas will most likely go through. We all work together and
constructive criticism is important.

On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Martin Olesen skovproduk...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi everybody.

 Thanks for letting me join the group. I am Mörgæs from Ubuntuforums, and I
 have been a full-time Buntu user since 5.10. I don't expect people to
 understand Icelandic, so let me first of all reveal that the name means
 penguin - though we don't have them around here.

 As you may have seen already, I have some ideas for a new web site:
 http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11449945postcount=205
 I shall save you from the full explanation. You will see a demo later, as I
 believe in show it, don't tell it. Long story short: I am focusing on
 receiving the beginner having Windows background and the intermediate user
 having Ubuntu (but not Lubuntu) background. Also, the site should have a
 clear hierarchy indicating what is important to the user right here, right
 now, and what can be left for later.
 For now I just ask for an indication like yes, we would like to experiment
 and consider a new wording on the web side. If on the other hand the
 general opinion is that the site can not be improved, there is no point in
 going further.
 I expect to be working together with Amjjawad. Our scope is text and layout,
 and later on we would be happy to work with someone capable of graphics and
 illustrations.
 So, what do you say?

 Regards
 Mörgæs

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] PLEASE READ IT

2011-11-12 Thread amjjawad HOOHAA
Thanks A. Andjelkovic :)

We'll start working hopefully soon and get back to you all :)



On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 11:35 PM, A. Andjelkovic andjelko...@gmail.comwrote:

*Go for it guys :). If you bring up good ideas, together with mockups,
 your ideas will most likely go through. We all work together and
 constructive criticism is important.*

 On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Martin Olesen skovproduk...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hi everybody.
 
  Thanks for letting me join the group. I am Mörgæs from Ubuntuforums, and
 I
  have been a full-time Buntu user since 5.10. I don't expect people to
  understand Icelandic, so let me first of all reveal that the name means
  penguin - though we don't have them around here.
 
  As you may have seen already, I have some ideas for a new web site:
  http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11449945postcount=205
  I shall save you from the full explanation. You will see a demo later,
 as I
  believe in show it, don't tell it. Long story short: I am focusing on
  receiving the beginner having Windows background and the intermediate
 user
  having Ubuntu (but not Lubuntu) background. Also, the site should have a
  clear hierarchy indicating what is important to the user right here,
 right
  now, and what can be left for later.
  For now I just ask for an indication like yes, we would like to
 experiment
  and consider a new wording on the web side. If on the other hand the
  general opinion is that the site can not be improved, there is no point
 in
  going further.
  I expect to be working together with Amjjawad. Our scope is text and
 layout,
  and later on we would be happy to work with someone capable of graphics
 and
  illustrations.
  So, what do you say?
 
  Regards
  Mörgæs

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-12 Thread amjjawad HOOHAA
Yes, I do remember but have you seen the long list of dependences that come
with it? :)
I'm afraid with 242MB RAM, I may not get what I really want - just a
thought.


On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 12:53 AM, leszek.les...@web.de wrote:

 As I mentioned it before ksysguard is the only tool that gives numbers
 that are reasonable. The other way would be going into /proc and check it
 manually



 -- Gesendet von meinem HP Veer

 --
 Am 12.11.2011 21:49 schrieb amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com:

 Hi everyone,

 Being little sick and having problems with sleeping, I wasn't able to do
 much regarding the test. Above all, I'm having different readings using
 some of the tools which have been mentioned here. I'm not sure what to do?
 each tool is having different readings than the other. I'm mainly using
 LXTask and GNOME System Monitor. Each one is showing different process for
 example LXTask is showing 3 process for Chromium while GNOME System Monitor
 is showing 5. Firefox as always will be shown as one process or two
 sometimes (plugin-container).

 I think there must be a better efficient tool to do this benchmark. I
 don't think it should be done manually.

 I'll keep looking ...

 Thanks!

 P.S.
 Just thought to update you about that.


 On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 11:52 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.comwrote:

 Guys,

 With all due respect to EVERYONE, I'm not sure if this
 debate/discussion/argument is even healthy or not any more?
 I know we, as Lubuntu Team Members, must discuss between us first of all
 but we must not forget about one simple fact ... USERS have the louder
 voice IMHO. I do believe that such choice must first be made by users. I
 mean, they should agree about that.

 EVERYONE, and I mean everyone on Ubuntu Forum is asking us to keep
 Lubuntu as it's and to improve it to be even better BUT NOT TO follow
 Ubuntu's Steps.
 Everyone is aware that Mint is Rank 1 now on Distrowatch. Who knows what
 could happen? Do you guys know how many users has moved from Ubuntu to
 Lubuntu? I almost see 5-10 every day. I'm ready to do a survey and see how
 many actually moved to Lubuntu and will start that today, at least for my
 own information.

 I downloaded Fedora 16 LXDE today because I'm having Multi-Boot machine
 with many LXDE Distributions to compare between them. It has Firefox by
 default, not Chromium. This is FYI not FYA.

 I suggest instead of spending some time discussing about that, why not do
 some tests and send the report via mailing list?

 As many already mentioned, it's apt-get install and mission
 accomplished.
 IMHO, there are a lot to talk about rather than Firefox VS Chromium talk.

 I'm out of this discussion and going to do two things and get back to you:

 1- I'll do my test and send it via mailing list.
 2- I'll write my suggestions regarding 12.04 on my thread and send it to
 everyone.


 I don't mean to be rude here at all, just stating my humble opinion and I
 could be wrong but that's my point after all. Disagree but don't disrespect
 is my motto :)

 Cya



 On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Leszek Lesner leszek.les...@web.dewrote:

 Am 09.11.2011 15:55, schrieb A. Andjelkovic:
  Let's not think in terms of This is what I would prefer but rather
 This
  is what a user on a low spec machine would prefer.
 Isn't that the same ?
 I am running Chromium here on a 800 Mhz ARM Cortex A8 with 256 MB RAM.
 I guess that is a low machine.
 If you get to even lower hardware than both browsers feel slugish.

  Let's not start a war here... I don't want to be rude, but please keep
 such
  personal opinions out of this discussion.

 If you only choose software on the base of how much ram they use on
 ancient hardware then you will definitely fail in delivering a good user
 experience. Personal opinions matter a lot if they are supported by good
 arguments.
 And no I don't want to start a war here. I just want to discuss the
 advantages and disadvantages of both browsers.


  Google is dropping H264 support:
 
 http://blog.chromium.org/2011/01/html-video-codec-support-in-chrome.html

 Google Chrome != Chromium

  Firefox might do that in the future also, but it costs memory to
  sandbox each browser tab. And I believe Chromium cheats: when
  available memory gets too low, tabs begin sharing the same process so
  it's a bit harder to know what's really going on.

 At least from the user perspective you have still the advantage that one
 tab cannot crash the whole browser.

  While I'm not a Google-hater, I think it's very important for the free
  web that Mozilla continues to exist. Since Mozilla is a bit more open
  than Chromium and multiple steps more open than Android, I think open
  source fans should consider supporting Firefox if the features are
  nearly equal, which in my opinion they are. This is why I hope Firefox
  continues to remain the Ubuntu default browser. Since Lubuntu has
  different constraints in choosing default apps, I'll let Julien and
  

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-12 Thread leszek.lesner
What has the ram size todo with the harddisk space the app and it dependencies use ?-- Gesendet von meinem HP VeerAm 12.11.2011 21:57 schrieb amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com: Yes, I do remember but have you seen the long list of dependences that come with it? :)Im afraid with 242MB RAM, I may not get what I really want - just a thought.
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 12:53 AM,  leszek.les...@web.de wrote:
As I mentioned it before ksysguard is the only tool that gives numbers that are reasonable. The other way would be going into /proc and check it manually
-- Gesendet von meinem HP Veer
Am 12.11.2011 21:49 schrieb amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com: Hi everyone,Being little sick and having problems with sleeping, I wasnt able to do much regarding the test. Above all, Im having different readings using some of the tools which have been mentioned here. Im not sure what to do? each tool is having different readings than the other. Im mainly using LXTask and GNOME System Monitor. Each one is showing different process for example LXTask is showing 3 process for Chromium while GNOME System Monitor is showing 5. Firefox as always will be shown as one process or two sometimes (plugin-container).

I think there must be a better efficient tool to do this benchmark. I dont think it should be done manually.Ill keep looking ...Thanks!P.S.Just thought to update you about that.

On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 11:52 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com wrote:

Guys,With all due respect to EVERYONE, Im not sure if this debate/discussion/argument is even healthy or not any more?I know we, as Lubuntu Team Members, must discuss between us first of all but we must not forget about one simple fact ... USERS have the louder voice IMHO. I do believe that such choice must first be made by users. I mean, they should agree about that. 


EVERYONE, and I mean everyone on Ubuntu Forum is asking us to keep Lubuntu as its and to improve it to be even better BUT NOT TO follow Ubuntus Steps. Everyone is aware that Mint is Rank 1 now on Distrowatch. Who knows what could happen? Do you guys know how many users has moved from Ubuntu to Lubuntu? I almost see 5-10 every day. Im ready to do a survey and see how many actually moved to Lubuntu and will start that today, at least for my own information.


I downloaded Fedora 16 LXDE today because Im having Multi-Boot machine with many LXDE Distributions to compare between them. It has Firefox by default, not Chromium. This is FYI not FYA.I suggest instead of spending some time discussing about that, why not do some tests and send the report via mailing list? 


As many already mentioned, its apt-get install and mission accomplished.IMHO, there are a lot to talk about rather than Firefox VS Chromium talk.Im out of this discussion and going to do two things and get back to you:


1- Ill do my test and send it via mailing list.2- Ill write my suggestions regarding 12.04 on my thread and send it to everyone.I dont mean to be rude here at all, just stating my humble opinion and I could be wrong but thats my point after all. Disagree but dont disrespect is my motto :)


CyaOn Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Leszek Lesner leszek.les...@web.de wrote:


Am 09.11.2011 15:55, schrieb A. Andjelkovic:
 Lets not think in terms of This is what I would prefer but rather This
 is what a user on a low spec machine would prefer.
Isnt that the same ?
I am running Chromium here on a 800 Mhz ARM Cortex A8 with 256 MB RAM.
I guess that is a low machine.
If you get to even lower hardware than both browsers feel slugish.

 Lets not start a war here... I dont want to be rude, but please keep such
 personal opinions out of this discussion.

If you only choose software on the base of how much ram they use on
ancient hardware then you will definitely fail in delivering a good user
experience. Personal opinions matter a lot if they are supported by good
arguments.
And no I dont want to start a war here. I just want to discuss the
advantages and disadvantages of both browsers.


 Google is dropping H264 support:
 http://blog.chromium.org/2011/01/html-video-codec-support-in-chrome.html

Google Chrome != Chromium

 Firefox might do that in the future also, but it costs memory to
 sandbox each browser tab. And I believe Chromium cheats: when
 available memory gets too low, tabs begin sharing the same process so
 its a bit harder to know whats really going on.

At least from the user perspective you have still the advantage that one
tab cannot crash the whole browser.

 While Im not a Google-hater, I think its very important for the free
 web that Mozilla continues to exist. Since Mozilla is a bit more open
 than Chromium and multiple steps more open than Android, I think open
 source fans should consider supporting Firefox if the features are
 nearly equal, which in my opinion they are. This is why I hope Firefox
 continues to remain the Ubuntu default browser. Since Lubuntu has
 different constraints in choosing default apps, Ill let Julien 

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-12 Thread amjjawad HOOHAA
With LXTask and GNOME System Monitor opened along side with a browser, that
was already slow. I haven't tried the app you suggested so I was JUST
wondering, that is all :)

On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 1:01 AM, leszek.les...@web.de wrote:

 What has the ram size todo with the harddisk space the app and it
 dependencies use ?




 -- Gesendet von meinem HP Veer

 --
 Am 12.11.2011 21:57 schrieb amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com:


 Yes, I do remember but have you seen the long list of dependences that
 come with it? :)
 I'm afraid with 242MB RAM, I may not get what I really want - just a
 thought.


 On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 12:53 AM, leszek.les...@web.de wrote:

 As I mentioned it before ksysguard is the only tool that gives numbers
 that are reasonable. The other way would be going into /proc and check it
 manually



 -- Gesendet von meinem HP Veer

 --
 Am 12.11.2011 21:49 schrieb amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com:

 Hi everyone,

 Being little sick and having problems with sleeping, I wasn't able to do
 much regarding the test. Above all, I'm having different readings using
 some of the tools which have been mentioned here. I'm not sure what to do?
 each tool is having different readings than the other. I'm mainly using
 LXTask and GNOME System Monitor. Each one is showing different process for
 example LXTask is showing 3 process for Chromium while GNOME System Monitor
 is showing 5. Firefox as always will be shown as one process or two
 sometimes (plugin-container).

 I think there must be a better efficient tool to do this benchmark. I
 don't think it should be done manually.

 I'll keep looking ...

 Thanks!

 P.S.
 Just thought to update you about that.


 On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 11:52 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.comwrote:

 Guys,

 With all due respect to EVERYONE, I'm not sure if this
 debate/discussion/argument is even healthy or not any more?
 I know we, as Lubuntu Team Members, must discuss between us first of all
 but we must not forget about one simple fact ... USERS have the louder
 voice IMHO. I do believe that such choice must first be made by users. I
 mean, they should agree about that.

 EVERYONE, and I mean everyone on Ubuntu Forum is asking us to keep
 Lubuntu as it's and to improve it to be even better BUT NOT TO follow
 Ubuntu's Steps.
 Everyone is aware that Mint is Rank 1 now on Distrowatch. Who knows what
 could happen? Do you guys know how many users has moved from Ubuntu to
 Lubuntu? I almost see 5-10 every day. I'm ready to do a survey and see how
 many actually moved to Lubuntu and will start that today, at least for my
 own information.

 I downloaded Fedora 16 LXDE today because I'm having Multi-Boot machine
 with many LXDE Distributions to compare between them. It has Firefox by
 default, not Chromium. This is FYI not FYA.

 I suggest instead of spending some time discussing about that, why not
 do some tests and send the report via mailing list?

 As many already mentioned, it's apt-get install and mission
 accomplished.
 IMHO, there are a lot to talk about rather than Firefox VS Chromium talk.

 I'm out of this discussion and going to do two things and get back to
 you:

 1- I'll do my test and send it via mailing list.
 2- I'll write my suggestions regarding 12.04 on my thread and send it to
 everyone.


 I don't mean to be rude here at all, just stating my humble opinion and
 I could be wrong but that's my point after all. Disagree but don't
 disrespect is my motto :)

 Cya



 On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Leszek Lesner leszek.les...@web.dewrote:

 Am 09.11.2011 15:55, schrieb A. Andjelkovic:
  Let's not think in terms of This is what I would prefer but rather
 This
  is what a user on a low spec machine would prefer.
 Isn't that the same ?
 I am running Chromium here on a 800 Mhz ARM Cortex A8 with 256 MB RAM.
 I guess that is a low machine.
 If you get to even lower hardware than both browsers feel slugish.

  Let's not start a war here... I don't want to be rude, but please
 keep such
  personal opinions out of this discussion.

 If you only choose software on the base of how much ram they use on
 ancient hardware then you will definitely fail in delivering a good user
 experience. Personal opinions matter a lot if they are supported by good
 arguments.
 And no I don't want to start a war here. I just want to discuss the
 advantages and disadvantages of both browsers.


  Google is dropping H264 support:
 
 http://blog.chromium.org/2011/01/html-video-codec-support-in-chrome.html

 Google Chrome != Chromium

  Firefox might do that in the future also, but it costs memory to
  sandbox each browser tab. And I believe Chromium cheats: when
  available memory gets too low, tabs begin sharing the same process so
  it's a bit harder to know what's really going on.

 At least from the user perspective you have still the advantage that one
 tab cannot crash the whole browser.

  While I'm not a Google-hater, I 

[Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Tracking progress (was: Re: [Lubuntu 12.04] My Suggestions)

2011-11-12 Thread Jonathan Marsden
On 11/12/2011 12:38 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA wrote:

 *My suggestions*:

 http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11447159postcount=94
 
 *Original thread*: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1870442
 
 In case I want to add more, shall I update my post or send them through
 this email?


This mailing list is more likely to be seen and responded to by Lubuntu
developers than forum threads, IMO.

 If there is any kind of updates about 12.04, please let me know. Thanks!


Please don't make extra work for our scarce and overworked developers :)

Instead, if you are interested in tracking progress towards Lubuntu
12.04, please login to the wiki and read the wiki page at

  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/P-Plan

then click the Subscribe button so you are emailed about all changes
to that page.

Then, subscribe to each of the Lubuntu 12.04 blueprints on Launchpad, so
you will automatically get emails as they are updated.

  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-lubuntu-p-users-experience


is one such blueprint, I can't seem to find the others right now, I
think that there should (theoretically) be one each for the clean
house and organization parts of the plan too.  Maybe Julien can
provide pointers to those for us.

Thanks,

Jonathan


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Tracking progress (was: Re: [Lubuntu 12.04] My Suggestions)

2011-11-12 Thread Lance
I just wanted to drop a brief comment about this statement:

Please don't make extra work for our scarce and overworked developers :)

I've honestly wondered about that for some time now. While I'm no dev by any 
stretch of the imagination I have been involved in Ubuntu iso-testing for well 
over 3 years, and recently the number of suggestions regarding Lubuntu here 
at the mailing list have been almost overwhelming.

How much time has this taken away from fixing actual bugs or implementing 
meaningful change?

While it's great to have someone new and energetic join the team it's also 
important for the new members to give the actual devs time to deal with the 
basic tasks of maintaining the project ;^) 

I hope that doesn't sound too harsh. As always thanks to everyone for 
everything they do,

Lance

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From: Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm
Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Tracking progress (was: Re: [Lubuntu 12.04] 
My Suggestions)
To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Saturday, November 12, 2011, 5:38 PM

On 11/12/2011 12:38 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA wrote:

 *My suggestions*:

 http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11447159postcount=94
 
 *Original thread*: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1870442
 
 In case I want to add more, shall I update my post or send them through
 this email?


This mailing list is more likely to be seen and responded to by Lubuntu
developers than forum threads, IMO.

 If there is any kind of updates about 12.04, please let me know. Thanks!


Please don't make extra work for our scarce and overworked developers :)

Instead, if you are interested in tracking progress towards Lubuntu
12.04, please login to the wiki and read the wiki page at

  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/P-Plan

then click the Subscribe button so you are emailed about all changes
to that page.

Then, subscribe to each of the Lubuntu 12.04 blueprints on Launchpad, so
you will automatically get emails as they are updated.

  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-lubuntu-p-users-experience


is one such blueprint, I can't seem to find the others right now, I
think that there should (theoretically) be one each for the clean
house and organization parts of the plan too.  Maybe Julien can
provide pointers to those for us.

Thanks,

Jonathan


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Tracking progress (was: Re: [Lubuntu 12.04] My Suggestions)

2011-11-12 Thread amjjawad HOOHAA
Hi Jonathan,



 This mailing list is more likely to be seen and responded to by Lubuntu
 developers than forum threads, IMO.


I do respect your opinion and I do understand what you are saying and I
also see your point but ... have you checked how many users have actually
posted over that thread? and they are still doing that on daily basis? I
hope you do :)

Plus, when I posted over there, I could simple have done it here but I did
that over there to be just like them and be one of them and add my voice to
their voice. Being a member of Lubuntu (NO, I'm not a developer - too bad
I'm not) and be so close to users IS IMHO VERY important, period.

I did that I did as a Lubuntu User. Please, don't look at it as a feedback
or suggestion from a fellow member of the same team :)


Please don't make extra work for our scarce and overworked developers :)


Sorry but don't really know what to comment here so I'll remain silent.
Sorry if my suggestions caused any confusion and/or delay, my bad.

Thanks a lot :)

On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 3:38 AM, Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fmwrote:

 On 11/12/2011 12:38 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA wrote:

  *My suggestions*:

  http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11447159postcount=94
 
  *Original thread*: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1870442
 
  In case I want to add more, shall I update my post or send them through
  this email?


 This mailing list is more likely to be seen and responded to by Lubuntu
 developers than forum threads, IMO.

  If there is any kind of updates about 12.04, please let me know. Thanks!


 Please don't make extra work for our scarce and overworked developers :)

 Instead, if you are interested in tracking progress towards Lubuntu
 12.04, please login to the wiki and read the wiki page at

  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/P-Plan

 then click the Subscribe button so you are emailed about all changes
 to that page.

 Then, subscribe to each of the Lubuntu 12.04 blueprints on Launchpad, so
 you will automatically get emails as they are updated.


 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-lubuntu-p-users-experience


 is one such blueprint, I can't seem to find the others right now, I
 think that there should (theoretically) be one each for the clean
 house and organization parts of the plan too.  Maybe Julien can
 provide pointers to those for us.

 Thanks,

 Jonathan


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] PLEASE READ IT

2011-11-12 Thread Phill Whiteside
Hi Amjjawad,

for major stuff on lubuntu.net you need to speak to Mario. I have seen
chats, you need to assure our team that you are in for lubuntu for the long
term and not just some college / university project. Whilst this may seem
harsh, so many have done it over the years  teams / threads / projects
have all gotten the pain of projects being abandoned. Please do not think
we are being negative, just that like all F/OSS projects we have had people
come and go.

May I, on a personal note, also warn you against something that my mentor
warned me upon. Burnout, whereby you work too many hours that cannot be
sustained (which you have already pretty much said you have done), and your
not wishing to have a mentor (experienced person) help you. If you run
yourself to death, or just decide to leave lubuntu the Lubuntu team will
have to pick up the pieces. Please, my young friend, take your time - we
have seen burn out before.

Regards,

Phill.

On 12 November 2011 20:34, amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks A. Andjelkovic :)

 We'll start working hopefully soon and get back to you all :)




 On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 11:35 PM, A. Andjelkovic andjelko...@gmail.comwrote:

 *Go for it guys :). If you bring up good ideas, together with mockups,
 your ideas will most likely go through. We all work together and
 constructive criticism is important.*

 On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Martin Olesen skovproduk...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hi everybody.
 
  Thanks for letting me join the group. I am Mörgæs from Ubuntuforums,
 and I
  have been a full-time Buntu user since 5.10. I don't expect people to
  understand Icelandic, so let me first of all reveal that the name means
  penguin - though we don't have them around here.
 
  As you may have seen already, I have some ideas for a new web site:
  http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11449945postcount=205
  I shall save you from the full explanation. You will see a demo later,
 as I
  believe in show it, don't tell it. Long story short: I am focusing on
  receiving the beginner having Windows background and the intermediate
 user
  having Ubuntu (but not Lubuntu) background. Also, the site should have a
  clear hierarchy indicating what is important to the user right here,
 right
  now, and what can be left for later.
  For now I just ask for an indication like yes, we would like to
 experiment
  and consider a new wording on the web side. If on the other hand the
  general opinion is that the site can not be improved, there is no point
 in
  going further.
  I expect to be working together with Amjjawad. Our scope is text and
 layout,
  and later on we would be happy to work with someone capable of graphics
 and
  illustrations.
  So, what do you say?
 
  Regards
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Tracking progress

2011-11-12 Thread Jonathan Marsden
On 11/12/2011 04:03 PM, Lance wrote:

 Please don't make extra work for our scarce and overworked developers :)

 I've honestly wondered about that for some time now. While I'm no
 dev by any stretch of the imagination I have been involved in Ubuntu
  iso-testing for well over 3 years, and recently the number of 
 suggestions regarding Lubuntu here at the mailing list have been 
 almost overwhelming.


Most of them have to be either ignored, or responded to with a short
response saying why they don't really make sense for this cycle, or
can't be done for lack of resources, or whatever.

 How much time has this taken away from fixing actual bugs or
 implementing meaningful change?


I don't know if anyone is measuring this.  Personally, I've been
deliberately staying off IRC lately, to try to focus on other things and
operate on my own schedule and my own priorities, rather than helping
others out when they need it.  That's a personal (and perhaps somewhat
selfish) response to increased work responsibilities, and to some health
scares that are lead me to try to take it easy and relax a bit more
outside of my work :)

Actually, though, my earlier statement about don't make extra work was
directed more at the please keep me updated request, than at the
actual suggestions themselves.  We can't afford to ignore our end users,
or ignore really good ideas from people who don't happen to be
developers.  There's a balance that has to be found in this.

I think Julien's idea of (re-)creating teams, including a Comm Team,
which as I see it would help in handling both internal
(within-Lubuntu-community) and external communication (wikis, web, press
releases, etc) could help both maintain a sense that Lubuntu cares about
its users, and avoid asking too much of its (very few) developers.  As
currently envisaged, there would be four teams:

 * Dev Team (Packaging, Coding, Breaking)
 * Support Team (IRC, Documentation, Testing)
 * Comm Team (Communication, Blogs, Artworks, Events)
 * Translation team (Translations)

There is, to me, a somewhat unclear distinction between some forms of
support (IRC and online documentation) and some forms of communication,
which I think we may need to figure out (unless it is clearer to others
than it is to me).  I'm not sure whether helping out web forum users
would fall under Support or Communication (or both?).  But overall I
like this approach.

Jonathan

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lubuntu 12.04] My Suggestions

2011-11-12 Thread Julien Lavergne
Hi,

Thanks for the list off suggestions, I'll have look at it.
I'll probably not be very available during the next few days, don't expect too 
much progress during the next week.

Just a quick note, you can now follow progress of Lubuntu development on 
status.ubuntu.com.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

Le 13 nov. 2011 à 03:38, amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Hello Julien,
 
 Hope it's not too late for me to send some suggestions for Lubuntu 12.04 :)
 I was so busy lately and couldn't have some free time until last night beside 
 I'm a bit sick these days.
 
 My suggestions: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11447159postcount=94
 
 Original thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1870442
 
 In case I want to add more, shall I update my post or send them through this 
 email? 
 
 Thank you!
 
 P.S.
 If there is any kind of updates about 12.04, please let me know. Thanks!
 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lubuntu 12.04] My Suggestions

2011-11-12 Thread Jonathan Marsden
Julien,

On 11/12/2011 09:15 PM, Julien Lavergne wrote:

 Just a quick note, you can now follow progress of Lubuntu development
 on status.ubuntu.com.

Oh, nice :)  That's a lot prettier than the wiki page and blueprint text.

I've packaged Viewnior 1.1, using its original tarball (there is a
package done by its author, but it was done as a native package with
sources, changes and /debian all in one special tarball... confused
me!).  Once I test it a bit more, I'll contact the author and let him
know, and see if I can find a friendly DD to sponsor an upload into
Debian for us.  We need to do the Debian first thing with new packages
like this, right?

How do I tell LP (and status.launchpad.net) that I am working on an
item, such as this one?  Can I assign myself work items somehow?

On bugs, I seem to have come up with a usable fix for bug #889414 .  A
change to the rc.xml in lubuntu-default-settings.  Do I have commit
rights to the git or bzr tree for that, or should I propose a merge to a
branch, or just do it the traditional way and upload a debdiff?

One more questions: the blueprint lubuntu-p-work-items says it is in
Status: not started, but the status.launchpad.net screens show it is
17% completed.  That does not seem to match up :)

Thanks, and looking forward to weekly Lubuntu team meetings (I think
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings needs an update!),

Jonathan

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