Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Sun/Oracle Java

2011-12-05 Thread Lance
I honestly don't see a huge problem. I find the documentation to be adequate. 
Of course in some instances the official Ubuntu documentation works for both 
Ubuntu and Lubuntu, other times not so much.

I think it's also fair to say that we must still rely on LXDE's own 
documentation for many things, and let's not forget that we're very young as a 
legitimate child of Ubuntu/Canonical ;^)

I suspect we'll garner more support from the Canonical devs as time goes along 
but some patience is needed. I know everyone is doing their best :^)

I'd personally defer to Phill W on this, if he's available. He helped bring us 
to the point of acceptance into the Canonical family and his voice means a lot 
to me.

As always, thanks to everyone for everything they do,

Lance



--- On Sun, 12/4/11, amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com wrote:

From: amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Sun/Oracle Java
To: lubuntu-desktop lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Sunday, December 4, 2011, 5:31 PM

I do agree with all what have been said/written.

With all the honesty in the world, I don't like the Wiki Pages. 
Why?

1- I've been told it MUST be the main source of our information while there are 
LOTS of missing information already, NOT to mention it is not organized nor up 
to date.


2- One can't find what he/she is looking for easily.

3- The whole structure is bad IMHO.

4- When I tried to contribute to the Wiki Area, I have heard NOTHING but bad 
negative and rude attitude so I decided NOT to touch it any more and take care 
of Ubuntu Forum as that is where I belong.


5- There is NO dedicated team to maintain our Wiki

Perhaps these are the main reasons.

Again, to be honest, I have another thoughts and different approaches and I'm 
having hard time to explain myself over and over again. Thus, I have decided 
weeks ago to remain silent and do my job quietly.

I'm doing well on the forum and I'll keep it up, period.
I have so much plans to help Lubuntu Users on the Froum. Writing guides and 
more.

I couldn't remain silent anymore.

I can't deny I do have my own style that is different big time than everyone's 
style in this team but since this is a Team Work more than anything else, I'm 
trying my best to learn more about this team, even more than learning about 
Lubuntu which I breath daily.


I'm here as always and ready to help and take our Wiki to the next step but WE 
do need to talk and discuss, period.

:)

Excuse my approach, I just couldn't resist.






On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 2:56 AM, ∅ maps.backw...@gmail.com wrote:



On 12/04/2011 02:26 PM, Yorvyk wrote:

 On Mon, 5 Dec 2011 07:43:15 +1000

 Jared Norris jrnor...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 5 December 2011 06:17, amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com wrote:

 So, again, please double check this:

 http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/things-to-tweak-after-installing-ubuntu.html

 and if necessary, update this:

 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#Some_Java_applications_don.27t_work.2C_I_want_proprietary_Oracle_Java


 This is the very big problem I see with having a separate FAQ to the

 main information on the wiki. Unless it's specific to Lubuntu I really

 don't see why it should exist on our FAQ area at all. All this does is

 duplicate information AND reduce the number of people working on a

 topic. This is a perfect example because the proper Java page [0] was

 updated a while ago to reflect the changes.



 So my opinion is, unless it's specific to Lubuntu we should contribute

 and rely on the community documentation for *Ubuntu instead of trying

 to carve out our own little niche that will easily be out of date and

 hard to maintain with fewer resources. (To answer your question my

 suggestion would be to remove the java section altogether, if you HAVE

 to have something, link to the main page for Java).



 [0] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java

 Couldn't agree more Jared.  Repeating the same information over and over in 
 different places is not helpful.  Users who aren't quite sure what their 
 problem is end up 'not seeing the wood for the trees.'  This is the sort of 
 thing a decent index is helps with.


to me, this begs the question of why we have a FAQ at all. there's no

reason there shouldn't be an LXDE-specific section to the general

Ubuntu wiki as it is relevant to LXDE. how many people have you come

across that run LXDE in Ubuntu rather than doing Lubuntu? it's often a

gateway to officially making the switch.



my problem with the main wiki is that it is often so GNOME-centric,

it's not always apparent whether or not something is truly applicable to

Lubuntu. so if we updated it for Lubuntu, there would be ONE place to go.



always the revolutionary,

wxl/walter



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[Lubuntu-desktop] New Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter section

2011-12-05 Thread Chris
Hello everyone,

I'd like to take this opportunity to tell everyone about the new section on
the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter. It's a section devoted to the development of
the official derivatives of Ubuntu. For this we'd like to receive every
week that you have a meeting, a link to the summary of the meeting. This is
all to more acknowledgement of the hard work everyone in the derivatives
branches are doing.
If there are any questions, please ask them here or on #ubuntu-news.
akgraner and me (MrChrisDruif) should be around to answer your questions.

With metta, Chris
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter section

2011-12-05 Thread Scott Kitterman
None of these are derivatives (Mint is a derivative).  These are other
distribution products developed in the Ubuntu project.  I think it's
much more correct to refer to them as siblings to Ubuntu (Desktop) and
Ubuntu Server.

I know you didn't make up this terminology, but in no sense of the word
is derivative correct.

Scott K

On 12/05/2011 09:35 PM, Chris wrote:
 Hello everyone,
 
 I'd like to take this opportunity to tell everyone about the new section on
 the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter. It's a section devoted to the development of
 the official derivatives of Ubuntu. For this we'd like to receive every
 week that you have a meeting, a link to the summary of the meeting. This is
 all to more acknowledgement of the hard work everyone in the derivatives
 branches are doing.
 If there are any questions, please ask them here or on #ubuntu-news.
 akgraner and me (MrChrisDruif) should be around to answer your questions.
 
 With metta, Chris
 
 
 
 


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter section

2011-12-05 Thread Amber Graner
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com wrote:
 None of these are derivatives (Mint is a derivative).  These are other
 distribution products developed in the Ubuntu project.  I think it's
 much more correct to refer to them as siblings to Ubuntu (Desktop) and
 Ubuntu Server.

 I know you didn't make up this terminology, but in no sense of the word
 is derivative correct.

Scott why bring this up to the UWN folks who are trying their hardest
to bring the news to folks, why not bring it up to the release manager or others
to change this.  Chris, who is new to the news team, wanted to add a
section to cover these distributions, and establish a relationship as
well as let you all know what we (the news were doing).
Responses like this, to someone who doesn't make those decisions don't
help with encouragement, inclusion and good will.  It's like you
are beating up the messenger.

We on the news team are trying our best to bring coverage about as
many of the flavors, derivatives, siblings or whatever you want to
call them.  We were asking for your help and instead you complain
about the word.  Seriously?

Cheers,
Amber

 Scott K

 On 12/05/2011 09:35 PM, Chris wrote:
 Hello everyone,

 I'd like to take this opportunity to tell everyone about the new section on
 the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter. It's a section devoted to the development of
 the official derivatives of Ubuntu. For this we'd like to receive every
 week that you have a meeting, a link to the summary of the meeting. This is
 all to more acknowledgement of the hard work everyone in the derivatives
 branches are doing.
 If there are any questions, please ask them here or on #ubuntu-news.
 akgraner and me (MrChrisDruif) should be around to answer your questions.

 With metta, Chris








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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter section

2011-12-05 Thread Amber Graner
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 12:57 AM, Steve Stalcup stalc...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Dec 5, 2011, at 10:40 PM, Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com wrote:

 On 12/06/2011 12:28 AM, Amber Graner wrote:
 On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Scott Kitterman ubu...@kitterman.com 
 wrote:
 None of these are derivatives (Mint is a derivative).  These are other
 distribution products developed in the Ubuntu project.  I think it's
 much more correct to refer to them as siblings to Ubuntu (Desktop) and
 Ubuntu Server.

 I know you didn't make up this terminology, but in no sense of the word
 is derivative correct.

 Scott why bring this up to the UWN folks who are trying their hardest
 to bring the news to folks, why not bring it up to the release manager or 
 others
 to change this.  Chris, who is new to the news team, wanted to add a
 section to cover these distributions, and establish a relationship as
 well as let you all know what we (the news were doing).
 Responses like this, to someone who doesn't make those decisions don't
 help with encouragement, inclusion and good will.  It's like you
 are beating up the messenger.

 We on the news team are trying our best to bring coverage about as
 many of the flavors, derivatives, siblings or whatever you want to
 call them.  We were asking for your help and instead you complain
 about the word.  Seriously?

 Because I find the term offensive.

 I bring it up whenever I see it used.  I even said that I recognized he
 was only using a term others use.

 Why should I not bring it up?

 It's not meant as an attack on anyone, but to express an opinion.  If
 you're going to add a section as a part of showing appreciation, but
 name it something that bothers someone, isn't that useful to know?

 Scott K

 This is an insult, tbh [0].  But since when does Canonical care about any 
 other flavor?

 [0] http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/derivatives

I am sorry you feel this way.  I have CC'd Jono Bacon into this
conversation b/c we on UWN are community members who are just wanting
to bring the news to the masses.  I can't speak for what Canonical
does or doesn't do and I don't want this thread to be about anything
other than what it was originally intended which was to ask for your
help in making sure we could bring the community news about each of
these distributions and make the community at large aware of the
various meetings etc.

Thanks for your understanding.

Cheers,
Amber



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