Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

2012-01-06 Thread Marvin Reimer
Hi (my first post to a Lubuntu Maillinglist),

I also had one minor problem with the PAE kernel.
I'm running Lubuntu mainly in VMs (because it is faster than the heavier
Ubuntu).
When installing Lubuntu Precise in Virtualbox I had to turn on PAE support
in the options (this was not a dealbreaker).

But, when installing Virtualbox Guest Additions in Lubuntu Precise, the
headers of the PAE kernel where missing so that the Guest Additions could
not be installed.

I recommend to include the PAE kernel headers in the base install so that
some non advanced users can also install the Guest Additions easily.

Marvin

2012/1/6 Steven sten...@gmail.com

 On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Jared Norris jrnor...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 6 January 2012 17:10, Steven sten...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi, I'm running Lubuntu on a non-PAE kernel too :)
 
  1.4GHz Pentium M in a Dell Latitude D505 with 512MB RAM from 2004. It's
 my
  main production machine and runs Lubuntu like a charm.
 
  I've been reading through the emails and irc logs, and it sounds like
 the
  kernel team is maintaining the non-pae kernel in Precise (but not
 beyond),
  but just not setting it as the default -- any chance someone can
 convince
  them to make the non-pae kernel the default in just Lubuntu? Colin
 Watson
  mentioned this as a possibility in the Technical Board meeting [1].
 
  -Steven
 
  [1]:
 http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-12-12-21.01.moin.txt
 
 
  On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com
  wrote:

 Steven,

 Running a PAE kernel and capable of running a PAE kernel are a couple
 of different things. I'd honestly be surpised if that CPU wasn't
 capable of running a PAE kernel. Are you able to run the command grep
 pae /proc/cpuinfo to see if it is capable of running a PAE kernel? If
 you get any output please paste it back if you're not sure what it
 means.

 --
 Regards,

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 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris



 That command doesn't give any output:
 $ grep pae /proc/cpuinfo
 $

 It was also apparent when I ran a Lubuntu Precise daily-live CD for the
 first time the other day and got this:
 This kernel requires the following features not present on the CPU:
 pae
 Unable to boot - please use a kernel appropriate for your CPU.

 -Steven

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New mailing list, PLEASE READ

2012-01-06 Thread Yorvyk
On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 20:21:31 +0100
Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 It's official, we have a new mailing list :)
 
 lubuntu-us...@lists.ubuntu.com
 
 If you want to continue to follow the lubuntu discussions, please
 subscribe to this new mailing list (See
 https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users ).
 
 The lubuntu-desktop mailing should not be used now for new discussions,
 and the team will be close soon.
 
 Thanks for your attention :)
 
A polite request.
Please don't cross-post to the two lists, this will lead to all manner of 
confusion.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

2012-01-06 Thread Jared Norris
On 6 January 2012 19:17, Steven sten...@gmail.com wrote:



 That command doesn't give any output:
 $ grep pae /proc/cpuinfo
 $

 It was also apparent when I ran a Lubuntu Precise daily-live CD for the
 first time the other day and got this:
 This kernel requires the following features not present on the CPU:
 pae
 Unable to boot - please use a kernel appropriate for your CPU.

 -Steven

Wow, I stand corrected. I have a VERY similar CPU here in my Dell
laptop that is around the same vintage that is PAE supported. This
does suggest the problem is more widespread than originally thought as
this is pretty much the target market for Lubuntu, older laptops.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

2012-01-06 Thread amjjawad HOOHAA
Hi,

I went through the whole thread (37 emails so far) and noticed very simple
thing that I already have noticed long time ago (I know what most of you
will say) which is: we do *NOT *have accurate database of Lubuntu Users in
general and those who are still using OLD machines and I mean VERY old
here.

I like such kind of discussion and I tend to agree with some opinions and
disagree with others but after all, this is very healthy activity
(discussion) but ... as always ... the real question is: isn't it pointless
to discuss such thing without REAL figures? some guys already pointed that
out, I guess.

Long story short, my simple and humble opinion is: we need a group of
people who do a survey to obtain such figures. No, I have no smart ideas of
HOWTO do that but if we could discuss about this, that would be VERY
helpful. Perhaps we are wasting our time here and there are only 2-3 users
with such old machines? for me, Lubuntu 10.04 didn't work on this:
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1590614 while Mint LXDE 9 did.
Both may be using the same kernel but I'm not really sure why Lubuntu
didn't work. Also, perhaps they are many users that will be affected with
that drop? so we need some figures.

Just a thought I'd like to share with all, as usual :)

Thanks!



On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Marvin Reimer therealm...@googlemail.comwrote:

 Hi (my first post to a Lubuntu Maillinglist),

 I also had one minor problem with the PAE kernel.
 I'm running Lubuntu mainly in VMs (because it is faster than the heavier
 Ubuntu).
 When installing Lubuntu Precise in Virtualbox I had to turn on PAE support
 in the options (this was not a dealbreaker).

 But, when installing Virtualbox Guest Additions in Lubuntu Precise, the
 headers of the PAE kernel where missing so that the Guest Additions could
 not be installed.

 I recommend to include the PAE kernel headers in the base install so that
 some non advanced users can also install the Guest Additions easily.

 Marvin

 2012/1/6 Steven sten...@gmail.com

 On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Jared Norris jrnor...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 6 January 2012 17:10, Steven sten...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi, I'm running Lubuntu on a non-PAE kernel too :)
 
  1.4GHz Pentium M in a Dell Latitude D505 with 512MB RAM from 2004.
 It's my
  main production machine and runs Lubuntu like a charm.
 
  I've been reading through the emails and irc logs, and it sounds like
 the
  kernel team is maintaining the non-pae kernel in Precise (but not
 beyond),
  but just not setting it as the default -- any chance someone can
 convince
  them to make the non-pae kernel the default in just Lubuntu? Colin
 Watson
  mentioned this as a possibility in the Technical Board meeting [1].
 
  -Steven
 
  [1]:
 http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-12-12-21.01.moin.txt
 
 
  On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com
  wrote:

 Steven,

 Running a PAE kernel and capable of running a PAE kernel are a couple
 of different things. I'd honestly be surpised if that CPU wasn't
 capable of running a PAE kernel. Are you able to run the command grep
 pae /proc/cpuinfo to see if it is capable of running a PAE kernel? If
 you get any output please paste it back if you're not sure what it
 means.

 --
 Regards,

 Jared Norris JP(Qual) BBehSc(Psych)
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris



 That command doesn't give any output:
 $ grep pae /proc/cpuinfo
 $

 It was also apparent when I ran a Lubuntu Precise daily-live CD for the
 first time the other day and got this:
 This kernel requires the following features not present on the CPU:
 pae
 Unable to boot - please use a kernel appropriate for your CPU.

 -Steven

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

2012-01-06 Thread Jared Norris
On 6 January 2012 19:57, amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I went through the whole thread (37 emails so far) and noticed very simple
 thing that I already have noticed long time ago (I know what most of you
 will say) which is: we do NOT have accurate database of Lubuntu Users in
 general and those who are still using OLD machines and I mean VERY old
 here.

 I like such kind of discussion and I tend to agree with some opinions and
 disagree with others but after all, this is very healthy activity
 (discussion) but ... as always ... the real question is: isn't it pointless
 to discuss such thing without REAL figures? some guys already pointed that
 out, I guess.

 Long story short, my simple and humble opinion is: we need a group of people
 who do a survey to obtain such figures. No, I have no smart ideas of HOWTO
 do that but if we could discuss about this, that would be VERY helpful.
 Perhaps we are wasting our time here and there are only 2-3 users with such
 old machines? for me, Lubuntu 10.04 didn't work on this:
 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1590614 while Mint LXDE 9 did. Both
 may be using the same kernel but I'm not really sure why Lubuntu didn't
 work. Also, perhaps they are many users that will be affected with that
 drop? so we need some figures.

 Just a thought I'd like to share with all, as usual :)

 Thanks!

Yeah it's been put forward as an idea before but again, without an
accurate way to get the information the straw poll we're conducting
here is just as valid as an online survey because this is essentially
an online survey.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New mailing list, PLEASE READ

2012-01-06 Thread Peter Matulis
On 12-01-05 02:21 PM, Julien Lavergne wrote:
 Hi,
 
 It's official, we have a new mailing list :)
 
 lubuntu-us...@lists.ubuntu.com

I suppose we should have Lubuntu lists showing up on this page:

https://lists.ubuntu.com/

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[Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 911905] Re: hitting enter on install screen 1 forces language to top selection

2012-01-06 Thread Charlie Kravetz
Setting to high importance, since once the new language takes effect,
the center button (back in English) takes me to a desktop in that
language. Not being able to read the language, it makes it difficult to
back up and change back to English. This can have detrimental effects
for those not expecting a desktop in a language they can not read.

** Changed in: ubiquity (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided = High

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Title:
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Status in “ubiquity” package in Ubuntu:
  Confirmed

Bug description:
  When choosing install xubuntu from the cd menu, hitting enter on the
  first screen causes the language to jump to the topmost language.

  Verified using both VirtualBox and Hardware, this can be reproduced in
  both Ubuntu and Xubuntu desktop images.

  TESTCASE:

  1. when cd spins up, hit enter to accept default language
  2. hold right shift in Ubuntu for cd menu, menu is default in Xubuntu
  3. Select Install Xubuntu or Install Ubuntu
  4. At first screen in Ubiquity, hit enter to select English and continue
  5. Note next screen is not in English.

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 12.04
  Package: ubiquity 2.9.10
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 3.2.0-7.13-generic-pae 3.2.0-rc7
  Uname: Linux 3.2.0-7-generic-pae i686
  ApportVersion: 1.90-0ubuntu1
  Architecture: i386
  CasperVersion: 1.296
  Date: Wed Jan  4 18:04:56 2012
  LiveMediaBuild: Xubuntu 12.04 Precise Pangolin - Alpha i386 (20120104)
  ProcEnviron:
   PATH=(custom, no user)
   LANG=en_US.UTF-8
   SHELL=/bin/bash
  SourcePackage: ubiquity
  UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install)

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New mailing list, PLEASE READ

2012-01-06 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 01/06/2012 02:30 PM, Peter Matulis a écrit :
 I suppose we should have Lubuntu lists showing up on this page:

 https://lists.ubuntu.com/
Yes, I hope it's updated automaticly :) Otherwise I'll send a mail in a
couple of days to the lists admins for an update.

Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New mailing list, PLEASE READ

2012-01-06 Thread Michael Rawson
Oh, I'm sorry, I misunderstood your original email.

I thought you meant 'we have a new mailing list, x, and if you want to keep up 
with the Lubuntu discussion, there's thsi one: y'

Sorry. :(

Thanks,

michael

On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 16:04:11 +0100
Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 Le 01/05/2012 11:09 PM, Michael Rawson a écrit :
  So...is this the developer list, the user list, or both? Or some
  combination thereof?
 Both, this was discussed in a previous meeting.
 
 Regards,
 Julien Lavergne
 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

2012-01-06 Thread Steven
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 4:57 AM, amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I went through the whole thread (37 emails so far) and noticed very simple
 thing that I already have noticed long time ago (I know what most of you
 will say) which is: we do *NOT *have accurate database of Lubuntu Users
 in general and those who are still using OLD machines and I mean VERY old
 here.

 I like such kind of discussion and I tend to agree with some opinions and
 disagree with others but after all, this is very healthy activity
 (discussion) but ... as always ... the real question is: isn't it pointless
 to discuss such thing without REAL figures? some guys already pointed that
 out, I guess.

 Long story short, my simple and humble opinion is: we need a group of
 people who do a survey to obtain such figures. No, I have no smart ideas of
 HOWTO do that but if we could discuss about this, that would be VERY
 helpful. Perhaps we are wasting our time here and there are only 2-3 users
 with such old machines? for me, Lubuntu 10.04 didn't work on this:
 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1590614 while Mint LXDE 9 did.
 Both may be using the same kernel but I'm not really sure why Lubuntu
 didn't work. Also, perhaps they are many users that will be affected with
 that drop? so we need some figures.

 Just a thought I'd like to share with all, as usual :)

 Thanks!



The problem with a survey is that it will never be representative, since it
is opt-in, and even more unrepresentative based off of where it's
publicized (i.e. a poll of lubuntu-desktop subscribers won't get you all of
the non-pae cpu users). The only fool-proof way of getting this data is to
automatically submit it from users' computers, but that's a privacy issue,
and still limits to internet users and those who do package upgrades
regularly (assuming the submission method results from a package upgrade).

I can offer you this though [1]:
21:35:54 kees so, as for data, with bdmurray's help, I downloaded 7271
x86 cpuinfos from bug reports on LP about a year ago. 336 of those were
non-pae.
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~cpu-checker-dev/cpu-checker/trunk/files/head:/test/
21:36:12 kees so that's just under 5%


I think it's also not how many people are using non-pae cpus, but whether
or not Lubuntu is expected to be able to run on non-pae cpus. For example,
I would expect Lubuntu to run on the 400MHz FSB Pentium M CPUs [2] (only
the 400MHz FSB models don't support PAE [3]); in fact, I'd even argue that
those CPUs are part of the intended audience. And no matter how many users
there are, based off of a QA perspective, if I say that Lubuntu is designed
for a particular kind of machine, it better be able to run on that machine,
plain and simple.

Also, the non-pae kernel is still supported in Precise. All we'd have to do
is change the default kernel on i386.

-Steven


[1]:
http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-12-12-21.01.moin.txt
[2]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Pentium_M_microprocessors
[3]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension
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[Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 911905] Re: hitting enter on install screen 1 forces language to top selection

2012-01-06 Thread Erick Brunzell
Maybe I need a better explanation of how to reproduce this behavior.
Just now I've tried both the Ubuntu and Lubuntu i386 20120116 images,
both choosing try me first and install, and I couldn't reproduce
this. I've not tried Xubuntu.

The only glitch I've encountered is that the Precise CD/DVD wants to
add itself to my base Oneiric systems sources if I choose boot first
hard drive from the live boot menu, but that's only been with todays
image.

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Title:
  hitting enter on install screen 1 forces language to top selection

Status in “ubiquity” package in Ubuntu:
  Confirmed

Bug description:
  When choosing install xubuntu from the cd menu, hitting enter on the
  first screen causes the language to jump to the topmost language.

  Verified using both VirtualBox and Hardware, this can be reproduced in
  both Ubuntu and Xubuntu desktop images.

  TESTCASE:

  1. when cd spins up, hit enter to accept default language
  2. hold right shift in Ubuntu for cd menu, menu is default in Xubuntu
  3. Select Install Xubuntu or Install Ubuntu
  4. At first screen in Ubiquity, hit enter to select English and continue
  5. Note next screen is not in English.

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 12.04
  Package: ubiquity 2.9.10
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 3.2.0-7.13-generic-pae 3.2.0-rc7
  Uname: Linux 3.2.0-7-generic-pae i686
  ApportVersion: 1.90-0ubuntu1
  Architecture: i386
  CasperVersion: 1.296
  Date: Wed Jan  4 18:04:56 2012
  LiveMediaBuild: Xubuntu 12.04 Precise Pangolin - Alpha i386 (20120104)
  ProcEnviron:
   PATH=(custom, no user)
   LANG=en_US.UTF-8
   SHELL=/bin/bash
  SourcePackage: ubiquity
  UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install)

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[Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 911905] Re: hitting enter on install screen 1 forces language to top selection

2012-01-06 Thread Charlie Kravetz
To reproduce this issue, 
1.  insert a cd in the drive
2.  when the cd starts, select the default language. 
3.  Make sure you are at the cd menu, not the later selection screen that has 
only two choices. This has the F-keys across the bottom and at least 4 items in 
the menu
4.  Select the second item in the menu, Install ???
5.  At the next screen, hit Enter on the keyboard.


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Title:
  hitting enter on install screen 1 forces language to top selection

Status in “ubiquity” package in Ubuntu:
  Confirmed

Bug description:
  When choosing install xubuntu from the cd menu, hitting enter on the
  first screen causes the language to jump to the topmost language.

  Verified using both VirtualBox and Hardware, this can be reproduced in
  both Ubuntu and Xubuntu desktop images.

  TESTCASE:

  1. when cd spins up, hit enter to accept default language
  2. hold right shift in Ubuntu for cd menu, menu is default in Xubuntu
  3. Select Install Xubuntu or Install Ubuntu
  4. At first screen in Ubiquity, hit enter to select English and continue
  5. Note next screen is not in English.

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 12.04
  Package: ubiquity 2.9.10
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 3.2.0-7.13-generic-pae 3.2.0-rc7
  Uname: Linux 3.2.0-7-generic-pae i686
  ApportVersion: 1.90-0ubuntu1
  Architecture: i386
  CasperVersion: 1.296
  Date: Wed Jan  4 18:04:56 2012
  LiveMediaBuild: Xubuntu 12.04 Precise Pangolin - Alpha i386 (20120104)
  ProcEnviron:
   PATH=(custom, no user)
   LANG=en_US.UTF-8
   SHELL=/bin/bash
  SourcePackage: ubiquity
  UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install)

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[Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 911905] Re: hitting enter on install screen 1 forces language to top selection

2012-01-06 Thread Erick Brunzell
I swear I just did exactly that with Lubuntu i386-20120106, it's
installing as I type this.

I booted the Live CD (actually DVD due to size) and the first screen I
was presented with was the language selection screen. I left it on the
default English and selected Install. From there things went pretty
much as expected, but some screens were drawn twice or out of place.

I don't think any of this is ubiquity or casper related but rather
something to do with other elements being added to the live image in a
haphazard way as is typical during heavy development.

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  hitting enter on install screen 1 forces language to top selection

Status in “ubiquity” package in Ubuntu:
  Confirmed

Bug description:
  When choosing install xubuntu from the cd menu, hitting enter on the
  first screen causes the language to jump to the topmost language.

  Verified using both VirtualBox and Hardware, this can be reproduced in
  both Ubuntu and Xubuntu desktop images.

  TESTCASE:

  1. when cd spins up, hit enter to accept default language
  2. hold right shift in Ubuntu for cd menu, menu is default in Xubuntu
  3. Select Install Xubuntu or Install Ubuntu
  4. At first screen in Ubiquity, hit enter to select English and continue
  5. Note next screen is not in English.

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 12.04
  Package: ubiquity 2.9.10
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 3.2.0-7.13-generic-pae 3.2.0-rc7
  Uname: Linux 3.2.0-7-generic-pae i686
  ApportVersion: 1.90-0ubuntu1
  Architecture: i386
  CasperVersion: 1.296
  Date: Wed Jan  4 18:04:56 2012
  LiveMediaBuild: Xubuntu 12.04 Precise Pangolin - Alpha i386 (20120104)
  ProcEnviron:
   PATH=(custom, no user)
   LANG=en_US.UTF-8
   SHELL=/bin/bash
  SourcePackage: ubiquity
  UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install)

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