Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Deadbeef in Lubuntu PPA
I have personally come to love exaile. But this more had to do with Rhythmbox having many additional gnome dependencies, where exaile does not. On the other hand neither is truly lightweight. On 11/15/2010 02:13 PM, Julien Lavergne wrote: Le lundi 15 novembre 2010 à 09:43 -0300, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset a écrit : But let me tell you that the behaviour of Audacious compared to these two others is far better. Is there something that i'm missing with this program? I also try audacious, and the result was not so fantastic : CPU 22%, RAM 27 Mb. It's similar to aqualung. To see a real boost ... try to use gnome-mplayer : CPU 6%, RAM 15 Mb ! But the bad point is that the GUI is not really good when you use it as a music player. Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp attachment: dyfet.vcf___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] new logo
And +1 for the blue looks lovely :). I think green should be added for lubuntu 10.10, when there is time to complete it right, rather than now. Julien Lavergne wrote: +1 for the first, for consistency. For now, the theme is only blue. Introducing a green part mean that the artwork need to match, which is not the case. Also, in practice, we are under User Interface Freeze, mean that the interface should not change too much. Regards, Julien Lavergne Le dimanche 07 mars 2010 à 23:51 +0100, 神癒礁湖 a écrit : Thank you to everybody. But remember, it's not official, and we're at mockup status. For now, the poll is here: BLUE: 6 votes BLUE / GREEN: 9 votes (Mine not included, I can't choose!) BTW, I remember there was more people on this mail list. Where are those who didn't vote yet? ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp attachment: david_sugar.vcf___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Indicator applets support in lxpanel
Right now few things use the messaging indicator, and most are things not even in lubuntu by default. Those that do (like pidgeon) still also continue to support the classic notification workspace as well. Julien Lavergne wrote: Hi, I played a bit with the indicators applets (the new applets of the gnome-panel, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MessagingMenu for an example). I managed to hack something to see what is the impact of them on a LXDE panel and in Lubuntu, because it's a feature requested :) If the result is visually similar to the gnome-panel (see the attached screenshot), there is major problems : - very few applications have an indicator support on Lubuntu (only Pidgin for the message indicator) - installing any indicator applet bring a lot of depends : The sound indicator bring pulseaudio, the quit indicator bring gnome-session and gdm ... even the message indicator bring a lot of gnome depends. - it's not memory free, any indicator bring 4Mb of RAM, which is not terrible, but quite expensive for example, for a sound applet ... I think the support for activated them shouldn't be too hard to integrate in lxpanel. But no indicator applets is now usable in Lubuntu. Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp attachment: david_sugar.vcf___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu proposed technical preview (called lx-ultra)
Ultimately I think mplayer is a problem, at least from the perspective of being an official variant, and especially with respect to codecs. That being said, I am also aware many will choose to install mplayer if it's not in the default install, as I am aware many use medibuntu repos. Leszek Lesner wrote: Here a technical preview of a LXDE based Ubuntu (Lubuntu proposed) Desktop based on Karmic Koala. Software included : Kernel 2.6.32-7 (lucid) PCManFM 0.5.2 (bugfixed release) gnome-mplayer (+ codecs) aqualung xfburn (burning app) claws-mail (mail client) chromium-browser (build 4.0.226) (webbrowser) people 0.2 (manage vcards) orage (manage vcal) gnome-alsamixer (audiomixer app) OpenOffice 3.1 (fitts on cd but maybe too memory intensive, especially for 128 MB RAM users) WICD to manage networks gigolo (as networkmanager and computer icon on the desktop to launch and mount drives [convenience for windows switcher] ) I changed some config files of openbox to support FN-Keys for some netbooks (so Volume up and down should work). Included is also a custom theme and a LXDE Menu button. Some new hotkeys: CTRL+ALT+T will now launch a new Terminal window CTRL+ALT+D will now launch a new filemanager window (SUPER + D will hide all windows and show the desktop) Some apps like network-manager , gnome-power-manager, xfce4-volumed that use the new notify-osd system are fine but seem to eat to much memory so I removed them for now and put in some replacements, like wicd and a volume.sh script. I also added those apps from the app proposel page that seem to do best in my opinion. See : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applications The CDRigBy from the other features would be nice to include, but the website seems to be down. More on Lubuntu : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu How to get involved: http://blog.lxde.org/?p=562 The obligatory screenshots: xsplash: http://ubuntu-pics.de/bild/33545/2009_12_08_201127_1280x800_scrot_iYt3XS.png desktop: http://ubuntu-pics.de/bild/33546/2009_12_08_201146_1280x800_scrot_utIQ4J.png Download: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2351433/lx-ultra-remix.iso MD5: 29811ba871d3a4088de8f71ac1a7948b lx-ultra-remix.iso Note: This is only a testing version and is not intent to run on a productive machine. Virtualbox seems to have problems loading the vboxvideo driver thats not avaiable. Simply edit the xorg.conf and try to load it with the vesa driver. Comments and feedback are appreciated :) PS: I will put the artwork onto the lucid incoming artwork very soon: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Artwork/Incoming/Lucid aswell as the openbox configuration file/patch for the added hotkeys. Regards, Leszek ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp attachment: david_sugar.vcf___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New programs by default
Mario Behling wrote: Hi, thanks for starting the work on Lucid. Can we update I agree, that we need to look out for lightweight options for applications. About the applications you are proposing. xfce task manager - I know that lxtask has some bugs, but we defined it in the applications list. Please let us know, what is the reason to change it? And equally important, if these issues in lxtask are likely to be addressed, say before Lucid release, then I do not see reason to change either. parcellite - seems good to me. Osmo - I wonder how compatible we should try to keep it with other solutions. Import and export functionality of data seems to be very rudimentary? I found ical can be exported. What do you think? I actually like the idea of having osmo in Lubuntu, as a small personal organizer application. language-selector - very useful! software-properties-gtk - good idea How about lxlauncher - where would be a good place to have a button to change desktop mode? Do you agree that a switchable desktop mode would be a good idea? Regards, Mario On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote: Hi, I just added 6 new programs to the seed to cover some missing features. They will be installed by default in the next upload of the seed : - xfce4-taskmanager : for monitoring tasks, the origin of lxtask - parcellite : for a clipboard manager (not start on login for now) - hardinfo : for information on the system - osmo : for managing event, calendar ... - language-selector : for installing language packs - software-properties-gtk : for managing sources in synatic The splash is still missing, but as plymouth was just uploaded, I prefer to wait more before adding it to the seed. If you think the seed need other programs to be added (not replaced !), please speak now :) For discussion on existing applications, please begin a new thread or a new page on the wiki. Please also note this : - Only propose application which are in the archive (not PPA, official archive). Exceptions are lxde components (like lxdm) and chromium which should be added to official repository soon. - Prepare some arguments :) The actual policy is to keep the existing seed, so the application need to bring real and additional interesting stuff. - Read and update previous discussion on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applications/Process%20Documentation Regards, Julien Lavergne ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp attachment: david_sugar.vcf___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Tested on MSI Wind U100
That is an interesting and excellent question. What is driving the interest in Chromium for UNE ARM is entirely performance based vs Firefox. Let me make a note on this on the lightweight browser blueprint... Mario Behling wrote: Hi David, thanks a lot for your ideas. Do you have more information on which Chromium version will be in the Ubuntu repo? The reason why some people refrain from using Chromium are privacy issues. An RLZ identifier, an encoded string is sent to Google on search queries or every 24 hours with Chromium. Will that be changed in the Chromium version in Ubuntu? Thanks, Mario On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:15 PM, David Sugar david.su...@canonical.com wrote: This touches upon many areas. I will initially comment on a few. In respect to SD cards and lower cost SSD media, I think there is a lot we can do to better optimize the user experience, even from install time, and perhaps Lubuntu is the right place to think about doing this first. There is (naturally:) a blueprint I have on this topic: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-unr-ssd-optimizations There were a couple of things I recall missing in the original seed for Karmic, including a mixer. These things will be addressed in the Lubuntu seed for Lucid. The usb creator can be used to take any iso cd install image and turn it into a USB install, so once we have a live iso for Lubuntu Lucid, making it available for USB keys is very easy. This is what is done for UNR in Karmic (and presumably Lucid), where we distribute a CD ISO while most netbooks of course have no CD/DVD drive. I like the idea of LXDE as a server gui for local admin as well. Maybe the place to start is with the mini-iso, where we could work on having the ability to select ubuntu server and lxde desktop as a valid combination. In fact I was thinking of taking a netbook and using it as a soho server, so it would be very logical to have lxde on that :). Chromium is going to be used for UNE on ARM, and the same arguments could apply to Lubuntu, where firefox is a resource hog. Of course, I think epiphany-webkit or something similar does also work well for Lubuntu, and supports mozilla plugins including flash. I would love to see more people asking more questions, not less :). Josef A. Beroeatwarin wrote: Hai everybody Hai I tested Lubuntu on my MSI wind U100, I am not a pro like you guys but I like to have my hands on it because I really believe lubuntu will be much better the Xubuntu. And of course I WANT to have a very lightweight linux on my netbook and PC. I am running on Ubuntu 9.10 remix installed on my MSI Wind U100, after I while I started with Apt to install LXDE After running on LXDE I was satisfied and very optimistic that it will be one that I am looking for.( after a lot of switching for linux to linux) Here are the problems on the MSI wind U100: * Filemanager Pcman 0.5.1 on the left windows are drives displayed twice. if you click one of the with the same name you will get an error-message Directory doesnt exist * Wicd it a very nice looking piece but to bad, to while connection the the wirelles network (WEP) ofcourse it was validated but I got an error message Connection failed:Unable get IP Adress that was during the status Obtaining IP address. * I have no sound I realize I have no mixer something like that so I dont know if its muting or not. * FN keys. FN+F4 and FN+F5 is working very well,its for dimming the back-light and FN+F12 sleep mode is working but after wakeup its starting to sleep again and again after wakeup *My bluetooth is witched on with FN+F11 but no blue-tooth detected (sorry I forgot to listed with lsusb before installing ubuntu remix again) * Harddisk external and flashdisk is working very well. My Questions,request,Ideas,what I hope very soon or whatever it is. 1. The Lubuntu in alpha stage on iso,when. Ofcourse everybody is busy. 2. Lubuntu on flash disk image because there is alot of netbooks without CD or DVD. 3. Sometimes I got netbook that has an SDcard as HDA is it compatible with it ? 4. I think Lubuntu will be great for creating server from old PC's with GUI interface instead having console at from your nose and doing that Vi thing.Maybe is there somebody can make a server edition. While installing you can choose what of kind of server do you want to install. 5. And nice front-end for backup that can make image of the drives. 6. Do you guys think that thunderbird and firefox take of computer sources especially nower days there is allot of websites based on flash like farmville it make even windows xp slow. 7. What is the other syntax like dmesg and lsusb that I can use to get info out of my toys and to send to you guys. 8. Last thing that I want to say is.. I am sorry for starting asking allot of questions even the alpha is not out yet... Well guys thats it... I hope its enough
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Please let me know when Lubuntu is ready for early testing...
Ubuntu flavors are not LTS in the same way as Ubuntu itself. LTS I think has a specific meaning that implies with it Canonical paid support as being valid for those who have service contracts for the same period, and there is no Canonical paid support for Lubuntu or other community spins. However, in that the common core is Ubuntu, those parts inherited from Ubuntu are of course maintained as LTS by Canonical, and that includes those packages we install from main. We might however want to consider what a 2 year cycle or longer maintenance does mean for those lxde and other packages that will make up Lubuntu Lucid if clearly users have such expectations, and we need to be much clearer about the status of Lubuntu Lucid in this respect for when people do ask. In respect to this target platform, Jeff, I think Lubuntu should be able to run well in your environment, or at least it should be a goal if not, for that describes one of the target audiences Lubuntu is specifically meant to address. Presently we should run in 128m ram if you don't run firefox, and certainly there is no 3d or accelerated X requirement. An interesting though very rough comparison from a Karmic test release of Lubuntu is found here: http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7520/1.html Jeff Elkner wrote: Hi All, I super happy to see working moving forward on Lubuntu. I teach Information and Communication Technology classes in Arlington Virginia. We have: 1. Low income students who do not have computers at home. 2. Free older computers that I could give to them. The free computers vary, but they start at Pentium II or III processors with 128 MB or higher RAM. I would love to be able to get Lubuntu to install an run effectively on these machines, since it would enable students to use the computers for class projects at home. I'm ready to test the OS whenever I get the word. It would be wonderful if a working version could come out with the Lucid release, as then we could use it for the following 2 years. Thanks! jeff elkner ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp attachment: david_sugar.vcf___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Tested on MSI Wind U100
I actually was not suggesting there should be such a remix. I was suggesting however that one could potentially do this with mini-iso install by selecting them explicitly at install time if we have lxde desktop as a task in mini-iso. And yes, one could do a server install and add lxde/lubuntu after. It can in some cases be useful to have a local server gui console. Another interesting scenario is ltsp. Mikhail Maksimov wrote: Hello. Just one thing I wanted to note: server GUI is a bad idea. If you want server, you install server, if you want a workstation on low-grade hardware, you install Lubuntu. If you have low-grade hardware to use as a server, you definitely shouldn't be wasting the precious (and, oh, so limited!) RAM and CPU resources on GUI instead of serving something. If someone wants to have lubuntu desktop on server, there's always an option of installing server then adding any desktop environment, or maybe installing Lubuntu then switching to the server kernel. But I think all the possible mix options should not be part of Lubuntu installer, nor should there be a separate server+LXDE remix of Lubuntu (Ubuntu?) Regards! Mikhail PS If you don't like vi, you can use nano, it's part of the server install and it is WYSIWIG. On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Josef A. Beroeatwarin rajatanpacel...@gmail.com mailto:rajatanpacel...@gmail.com wrote: Hai everybody Hai I tested Lubuntu on my MSI wind U100, I am not a pro like you guys but I like to have my hands on it because I really believe lubuntu will be much better the Xubuntu. And of course I WANT to have a very lightweight linux on my netbook and PC. I am running on Ubuntu 9.10 remix installed on my MSI Wind U100, after I while I started with Apt to install LXDE After running on LXDE I was satisfied and very optimistic that it will be one that I am looking for.( after a lot of switching for linux to linux) Here are the problems on the MSI wind U100: * Filemanager Pcman 0.5.1 on the left windows are drives displayed twice. if you click one of the with the same name you will get an error-message Directory doesnt exist * Wicd it a very nice looking piece but to bad, to while connection the the wirelles network (WEP) ofcourse it was validated but I got an error message Connection failed:Unable get IP Adress that was during the status Obtaining IP address. * I have no sound I realize I have no mixer something like that so I dont know if its muting or not. * FN keys. FN+F4 and FN+F5 is working very well,its for dimming the back-light and FN+F12 sleep mode is working but after wakeup its starting to sleep again and again after wakeup *My bluetooth is witched on with FN+F11 but no blue-tooth detected (sorry I forgot to listed with lsusb before installing ubuntu remix again) * Harddisk external and flashdisk is working very well. My Questions,request,Ideas,what I hope very soon or whatever it is. 1. The Lubuntu in alpha stage on iso,when. Ofcourse everybody is busy. 2. Lubuntu on flash disk image because there is alot of netbooks without CD or DVD. 3. Sometimes I got netbook that has an SDcard as HDA is it compatible with it ? 4. I think Lubuntu will be great for creating server from old PC's with GUI interface instead having console at from your nose and doing that Vi thing.Maybe is there somebody can make a server edition. While installing you can choose what of kind of server do you want to install. 5. And nice front-end for backup that can make image of the drives. 6. Do you guys think that thunderbird and firefox take of computer sources especially nower days there is allot of websites based on flash like farmville it make even windows xp slow. 7. What is the other syntax like dmesg and lsusb that I can use to get info out of my toys and to send to you guys. 8. Last thing that I want to say is.. I am sorry for starting asking allot of questions even the alpha is not out yet... Well guys thats it... I hope its enough for the input. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop https://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net mailto:lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop https://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help :
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Mplayer, Qt4, Lubuntu release date, Modular installer
I see no reason Lubuntu for Karmic could not be called a beta or preview of Lubuntu or similar. In respect to qt, the toolkit itself is not that large. One problem is matching qt themes (fonts, colors, controls) and preferences with gtk. If we have default settings that match, then I see no problem with this at all. As to whether mplayer/smplayer vs vlc vs something else, that is a different question :). Mario Behling wrote: Dear all, I would like to exchange with you some thoughts that came up in an exchange with PCMan concerning using Mplayer, Qt4 and the release date of lubuntu. I agree with PCMan that we should get feedback from the community first before releasing a stable lubuntu. The current lubuntu is already quite good, but there will probably be some bugs that we dont know, besides bugs that we know of e.g. in PCManFM. As PCMan is working on a new version of the file manger, I hope we will be able to include it. Read on below. - Mario -- Forwarded message -- From: PCMan Hi all Clearly Mplayer has the best performance on old machines which are the target of Lubuntu. However, the usability of currently available mplayer GUI frontend are quite problematic. SMplayer, although being developed with Qt4, undoubtedly has quite good usability compared with others. Qt4 is not a problem. It's bigger, but it's not very big. Besides, there will be more and more applications written in Qt4 in the future. Denying the use of Qt4 is quite unwise, IMHO. If you can find something that are as good, feel free to replace it. But the problem is, there isn't. The other usable player should be VLC, which is also written in Qt4, too. Xine is yet another solution, but it doesn't have good performance, and the usability is not good, either. So it's good for nothing. Rather than including something that is good for nothing, I'd rather include something that at least give you good usability. This is the rationale. Another concern is, can we postpone the release of Lubuntu? Rather than releasing something new but broken, I'd rather release it when it's really ready. Give the users something that is half-done is not a good way for marketing. I'm confident that Lubuntu will be ready for everyday use at the time of next Ubuntu LTS release. However, if we want to make it for 9.10, we might end up with a broken distro that is problematic. IMHO, keeping it in Alpha or Beta status is more preferable. Then just use 9.10 release to get enough feedback from the users. Things should be ready in Q1, 2010. Then the next LTS will be the right time for first official release of Lubuntu. For application selection, I'd suggest creating a modular installer and let the user choose what they want. This doesn't need to be included in the Ubuntu installer. We can run a app selection wizard at first-time startup. This can be the perfect solution for application selection. Any thoughts? ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp attachment: david_sugar.vcf___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Mplayer, Qt4, Lubuntu release date, Modular installer
Julien Lavergne wrote: Hi, For Mplayer / SMplayer, as there is no consensus for switching to something else, let's stay with this 2 for Karmic. I'll put them in Recommends, so lubuntu-desktop can be installed without this 2. I'll try to move Mplayer to universe, but I'm not sure it'll be doable. Let's discuss the video player choice after the Karmic release. Agreed! For the release date, there is 2 choices : - Stick with Ubuntu schedule and release/freeze at the same time. This could be a solution if we want to release the finished Lubuntu in time for Karmic+1. - Don't follow this schedule and release after. We can do this, but the consequence will be to have separate packages for some components, not in sync with Ubuntu official packages and repository. A possibility is to use the Lubuntu PPA as an extra repository and publish packages when it's done. But we need to deal with maintenance, bug reports etc ... As a MOTU, I prefer the solution 1, let's publish a preview for Karmic and the real Lubuntu for Karmic+1. I prefer #1 also by far... For custom installer, I don't like this idea. Because someone need to code it, and people can have the same by installing the applications they want after the installation of Lubuntu. Most of People using Ubuntu and derivate want to have an installation ready out-of-the-box, they don't want to choose between VLC and Mplayer for example. If we want to allow the user to customize his installation and keeping the core LXDE in place, it's possible to make all extra packages (Mplayer, Aqualung etc ...) optional, by making them recommends on the lubuntu-desktop package. People will be able to remove Mplayer to install VLC, and will keep the lubuntu-desktop and so LXDE core packages installed. We can review moving more things into recommends for this purpose for Karmic +1. Regards, Julien Lavergne Le samedi 19 septembre 2009 à 12:41 +0800, Mario Behling a écrit : Dear all, I would like to exchange with you some thoughts that came up in an exchange with PCMan concerning using Mplayer, Qt4 and the release date of lubuntu. I agree with PCMan that we should get feedback from the community first before releasing a stable lubuntu. The current lubuntu is already quite good, but there will probably be some bugs that we dont know, besides bugs that we know of e.g. in PCManFM. As PCMan is working on a new version of the file manger, I hope we will be able to include it. Read on below. - Mario -- Forwarded message -- From: PCMan Hi all Clearly Mplayer has the best performance on old machines which are the target of Lubuntu. However, the usability of currently available mplayer GUI frontend are quite problematic. SMplayer, although being developed with Qt4, undoubtedly has quite good usability compared with others. Qt4 is not a problem. It's bigger, but it's not very big. Besides, there will be more and more applications written in Qt4 in the future. Denying the use of Qt4 is quite unwise, IMHO. If you can find something that are as good, feel free to replace it. But the problem is, there isn't. The other usable player should be VLC, which is also written in Qt4, too. Xine is yet another solution, but it doesn't have good performance, and the usability is not good, either. So it's good for nothing. Rather than including something that is good for nothing, I'd rather include something that at least give you good usability. This is the rationale. Another concern is, can we postpone the release of Lubuntu? Rather than releasing something new but broken, I'd rather release it when it's really ready. Give the users something that is half-done is not a good way for marketing. I'm confident that Lubuntu will be ready for everyday use at the time of next Ubuntu LTS release. However, if we want to make it for 9.10, we might end up with a broken distro that is problematic. IMHO, keeping it in Alpha or Beta status is more preferable. Then just use 9.10 release to get enough feedback from the users. Things should be ready in Q1, 2010. Then the next LTS will be the right time for first official release of Lubuntu. For application selection, I'd suggest creating a modular installer and let the user choose what they want. This doesn't need to be included in the Ubuntu installer. We can run a app selection wizard at first-time startup. This can be the perfect solution for application selection. Any thoughts? ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help :
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 432664] Re: Minor Lubuntu meta package changes for Karmic beta
What is the timeframe for this to happen? Julien Lavergne wrote: Next lxde-common upload will include a separate binary for the icon theme. We need to add lxde-icon-theme to the seed after this. attachment: david_sugar.vcf___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 432664] Re: Minor Lubuntu meta package changes for Karmic beta
Julian, I am going to be going to Portland over the weekend, and I do not see lxde-icon-theme in the archive yet. So I am going to add it to the seed, and make sure it still builds under 0.5, but I will hold off uploading until it is in the archive. I also need to coordinate with you relocating the seed and meta branches off +junk :). Julien Lavergne wrote: Le vendredi 18 septembre 2009 à 18:01 -0400, David Sugar a écrit : What is the timeframe for this to happen? Uploaded, you can make the change to the seed or I'll make it tomorrow. Regards, Julien Lavergne -- Minor Lubuntu meta package changes for Karmic beta https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/432664 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Lubuntu, which is a direct subscriber. Status in “lubuntu-meta” package in Ubuntu: In Progress Bug description: Binary package hint: lubuntu-desktop This bug exists to track, attach an update for, and then close two minor issues raised originally by Loic in respect to the Lubuntu-desktop meta package. This includes the inclusion of ubiquity in the desktop seed (this is different from the live or installable media seeds), and the current location of the bzr repo for Lubuntu, under +junk. In addition, there is some discussion about changing the media player in the seed. I want to close all these issues together at once and already have some preliminary changes done for ubuntu-meta 0.5. If necessary, I will simply close the issues raised by Loic and leave the rest alone if no consensus emerges on the media player issue. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 432664] Re: Minor Lubuntu meta package changes for Karmic beta
Oh, do we also add lxde-setting-daemon? Julien Lavergne wrote: Le vendredi 18 septembre 2009 à 18:01 -0400, David Sugar a écrit : What is the timeframe for this to happen? Uploaded, you can make the change to the seed or I'll make it tomorrow. Regards, Julien Lavergne -- Minor Lubuntu meta package changes for Karmic beta https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/432664 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Lubuntu, which is a direct subscriber. Status in “lubuntu-meta” package in Ubuntu: In Progress Bug description: Binary package hint: lubuntu-desktop This bug exists to track, attach an update for, and then close two minor issues raised originally by Loic in respect to the Lubuntu-desktop meta package. This includes the inclusion of ubiquity in the desktop seed (this is different from the live or installable media seeds), and the current location of the bzr repo for Lubuntu, under +junk. In addition, there is some discussion about changing the media player in the seed. I want to close all these issues together at once and already have some preliminary changes done for ubuntu-meta 0.5. If necessary, I will simply close the issues raised by Loic and leave the rest alone if no consensus emerges on the media player issue. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 420513] Re: [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta
** Changed in: ubuntu Status: New = In Progress ** Changed in: ubuntu Assignee: (unassigned) = David Sugar (dyfet) -- [needs packaging] lubuntu desktop meta https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/420513 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Lubuntu, which is a direct subscriber. Status in Ubuntu: In Progress Status in “pam” package in Debian: Invalid Bug description: I have a preliminary seed and meta for this related to Karmic blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-karmic-lxde-ubuntu-desktop and this should get uploaded to revu later today. ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] Memory benchmarks
It was curious to see there was some effort to quantify and publish memory usage benchmarks for Lubuntu. http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7520/1.html attachment: david_sugar.vcf___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
[Lubuntu-desktop] [Blueprint mobile-karmic-lxde-ubuntu-desktop] Build a very lightweight desktop for ubuntu based on lxde
Blueprint changed by David Sugar: Whiteboard changed to: Work Items: Application Selection with Community Input: DONE Lubuntu Seed Creation: TODO Art Work Ubuntuizations: TODO Time estimate: 2 weeks lool, 2009-06-26: changed to drafting on the request of David Sugar as he needs to talk to lubuntu people. dyfet, 2009-06-26: because we are specifying packages for a seed, and the lubuntu people may have different package selection requirements and proposals, we need to move this back to draft to coordinate with lubuntu effort to make sure we don't have different or otherwise conflicting lxde efforts. -- Build a very lightweight desktop for ubuntu based on lxde https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-karmic-lxde-ubuntu-desktop ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu project questions - seeds
The solution to bandwidth issues in my opinion is NOT to make something like, for example, Open Office, a part of the seed for Lubuntu spin and install, but rather something that can be placed on a CD, if a full size CD media is put together and burned, and optionally installed then without needing to go remote. The goal for a default install of Lubuntu I feel strongly should be close to 64M ram/256m disk. This also allows for a normal Lubuntu iso image to be on much smaller CD form factor if so desired. This is not just about obsolete hardware; there are new devices being made and sold that would benefit as well. Hence, at least to me, the question of what should be on a Lubuntu seed, which I think must be small, and what can be optionally distributed alongside on full sized media, are entirely different questions. John Thng wrote: We have discussed the problems as before. There are mentions previously that people in third world countries are living with limited internet bandwidth unlike people in developed countries with large or unlimited internet bandwidth. Thus, it'll be good if the distro bundled usable applications inside instead of the people finding ways on how to download the applications in. There should be a compromise point. It is possible to make the spec as low as possible, but does it surf the purpose of usability over normal people or the distro is purely for geeks to use. As for my point of view, it should be light but at the same time, usability is important, thus making it a bit different. We don't want people in low internet bandwidth hunting for bandwidth to load usable daily applications. There's a need for compromising. We can't restrict too much till it's a geek distro which does not care about the usability. I know there are distros putting lightweight apps, but does it solve the usability problem with lightweight. I'm not sure what the big picture is, but lubuntu should be for everyone, young till old, developed or developing countries, and not too restrictive to make it hard and user friendly to use too. It's pretty sad that some applications are bloated, but do we have the choice not to use them, but even if we do have the choice, will the usability of the distro be affected much. Some might believe that Lubuntu will be the solution for people living in developing countries with no/limited bandwidth. Some believe Lubuntu should run on old computers in developed countries. But I would choose for usable Lubuntu that benefits more people with no/limited bandwidth than keeping people with old computers or geeks happy. For people with old computers or those lightweight geeks, I think other distro might surf better for the purpose. And last time during discussion, OpenOffice.org is chosen is because compatibility issues and also presentation program. In addition, I do think OpenOffice.org would surf as a need to bridge those in developing countries to the world. Regards John Thng ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp begin:vcard fn:David Sugar n:Sugar;David org:Canonical adr:;;United States email;internet:david.su...@canonical.com title:Mobile Developer tel;work:+1 609 465 5336 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.canonical.com version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Project Q's
The problem with each of these documents is that they do not offer the clarity of statement that a simple and direct FAQ would. And I authored one of the documents mentioned here :). Questions that come to mind are things like: 1) What is the mission of Lubuntu 2) What are the baseline system requirements To which I would like to suggest 64m ram/256m disk, and 800x576 resolution (hence covering old traditional 800x600 and netbook 1024x576...) as both a goal and challenge for this team... etc... Something like that is what I had meant about the need for a FAQ. Dallas Wiebelhaus wrote: It may Also benefit you to read what's already in place: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/UbuntuLxdeDesktop http://www.lxde.org/ https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-karmic-lxde-ubuntu-desktop On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 3:49 PM, David Sugar david.su...@canonical.com mailto:david.su...@canonical.com wrote: Perhaps this offers an opportunity for someone to put together an initial Lubuntu FAQ on the wiki... jon york wrote: Alright, not that I want to start any E-fights, but I do believe these are serious questions that need to be answered in any project, there needs to be a driving reason behind it other then because, also, there needs to be a reason for people to try it, and switch, or else this project will eventually fail. in light of this, here are my questions 1- what will Lubuntu offer that any other version of *buntu does not offer? 2- what kind of performance increase shall we see with Lubuntu? 3- what is our geographic and demographic target? 4- is Lxde ready for its own *Buntu variant? 5- how will Lubuntu compared to Xubuntu in terms of GB install, Ram usage, performance and functionality? 6- what is the projected usage curve for this project? these are hard questions to answer, however they do need to be addressed. I own a computer repair and sale company in Canada, and I and currently in university studying accounting and marketing. regardless of how we feel about it, we are competing for market share with countless Linux's including which many variants, official or not of Ubuntu. Is this system competing against all distro's? Xubuntu only? Ubuntu and Xubuntu? #!? or is it a system that will be aimed for the Windows/mac user to switch. Jon York ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop https://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net mailto:lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop https://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop https://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net mailto:lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop https://launchpad.net/%7Elubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp begin:vcard fn:David Sugar n:Sugar;David org:Canonical adr:;;United States email;internet:david.su...@canonical.com title:Mobile Developer tel;work:+1 609 465 5336 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.canonical.com version:2.1 end:vcard ___ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop Post to : lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
