Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] How to Get Informative Boot/Install

2010-08-02 Thread Andrew Woodhead
Did you MD5 test the ISO?
Did you burn as SLOWLY as you could?
Have you checked the CD for defects?
Have you tested your RAM for errors?


On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Lane Lester lles...@info-fast.com wrote:

 Thanks, Andrew. When the nomodeset didn't work, I tried that post's second
 option:
 i915.modeset=0 xforcevesa
 but it stopped at the same place, although with a small font.

 Lane

 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Andrew Woodhead 
 andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com wrote:


 http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-fix-ubuntu-10-04-lts-lucid-blank-screen-at-startup.html


  On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 6:18 PM, Lane Lester lles...@info-fast.comwrote:

  I downloaded, burned, and booted the new Alpha2, but it died along the
 way with a black screen. No error messages preceded its death. Is there a
 boot/install option that will spew those progress messages across the screen
 so I may have a clue about the cause of death?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] How to Get Informative Boot/Install

2010-08-02 Thread Andrew Woodhead
When you see the First boot screen, press pace and you will get the normal
text boot screen. You can now test the CD for defects. A slow burn and MD5
success will pretty much garuntee this but it's worth a test. The same
screen can test the ram.

On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Lane Lester lles...@info-fast.com wrote:

 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Andrew Woodhead 
 andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Did you MD5 test the ISO?


 No, but I just did, and it's correct.


 Did you burn as SLOWLY as you could?


 Yes, 8.


 Have you checked the CD for defects?


 No, don't know how. How does one do that?


 Have you tested your RAM for errors?


 No, because I often install new distros, and I recently installed the
 Ubuntu Minimal CD Alpha 2 without difficulty.

 OTOH, my fairly new motherboard has an nVidia chipset, which sometimes
 causes problems.

 Lane




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 Thanks, Andrew. When the nomodeset didn't work, I tried that post's
 second option:
 i915.modeset=0 xforcevesa
 but it stopped at the same place, although with a small font.

 Lane


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] How to Get Informative Boot/Install

2010-08-02 Thread Andrew Woodhead
Boot th CD, when you see the first boot screen press spacebar and select
check CD, you can also test your RAM here too



On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.netwrote:

 If I recall, the routine for testing the CD that is on the CD will report
 failure.

 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers

  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DevelopersHas the work-around for it.

 Regards,

 Phill.

 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Andrew Woodhead 
 andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com wrote:

 When you see the First boot screen, press pace and you will get the normal
 text boot screen. You can now test the CD for defects. A slow burn and MD5
 success will pretty much garuntee this but it's worth a test. The same
 screen can test the ram.

 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Lane Lester lles...@info-fast.comwrote:

 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Andrew Woodhead 
 andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Did you MD5 test the ISO?


 No, but I just did, and it's correct.


 Did you burn as SLOWLY as you could?


 Yes, 8.


  Have you checked the CD for defects?


 No, don't know how. How does one do that?


 Have you tested your RAM for errors?


 No, because I often install new distros, and I recently installed the
 Ubuntu Minimal CD Alpha 2 without difficulty.

 OTOH, my fairly new motherboard has an nVidia chipset, which sometimes
 causes problems.

 Lane




 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Lane Lester lles...@info-fast.comwrote:

 Thanks, Andrew. When the nomodeset didn't work, I tried that post's
 second option:
 i915.modeset=0 xforcevesa
 but it stopped at the same place, although with a small font.

 Lane


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] NetworkManager bug in Lubuntu?

2010-08-01 Thread Andrew Woodhead
Install wicd instead.

On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Mikhail Maksimov mcwil...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi, list.

 Lubuntu Lucid installed from mini.iso seems to be affected by a bug in
 NetworkManager (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=530024):
 the wired network interface is not managed by NetworkManager by
 default. Does anyone know if this also happens when installing from
 Lubuntu CD?

 Regards!
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Changes to the seed

2010-07-30 Thread Andrew Woodhead
evince does a fine job, not too sure on its lightness but will review
-Andy

On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 10:55 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I made some changes to the lubuntu-desktop package (which was a bit
 broken recently) for Maverick :
 - Replacing epdfview by evince : let's try if it's lightweight and good
 enough.
 - Adding ace-of-penguins : it's a collection of little games (cards,
 minesweeper ...). Not fancy but very lightweight :)

 Any feedbacks / tests are welcome.

 I don't plan to add any more modifications until Alpha 3, planned for 5
 or 6th August.

 Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Some suggestions

2010-07-14 Thread Andrew Woodhead
If you tweak openoffice to use less ram, simple

On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 9:57 PM, John Zoidberg zohn.joidb...@gmail.comwrote:

 Slightly off-topic:

 3. Gnome office is a light office suite but very poor, Open Office is
 heavier but is a real working tool.
  I do 95% of my 'office' work with Abiword, Gnumerics, Osmo and xpad.
  Only rarely  do I require OOo, and usually that is to import some Excel
 spreadsheet.were somebody has used some dubious technique to achieve
 something that can be done in a simpler way.
 

 That reminds me: I had problems switching between openoffice and
 gnumeric. One of them couldn't import the format of the other.
 Furthermore, there were big problems with the date format (DD/MM/YY
 and MM/DD/YY). Some kind of conflict between the system locale
 settings and the app settings.
 I'll have to analyze things a bit and make a bug report eventually.

 On-topic:
 I use both Chromium and Firefox. (Firefox+noscript+private mode for
 banking for instance)
 My main problem is that weave/sync and xmarks are unusable on my old
 laptop. They just completely hang everything when syncing.
 Firefox also tends to slow down the system sometimes.
 For browsers, seamonkey (default in Puppy Linux) could also be a good
 default choice.
 Other candidates might be midori, arora, epiphany.

 As for office stuff, I prefer OpenOffice, even if it takes more time
 to start. Especially after all the problems I had with portability of
 the gnumeric format and date formats.
 However, the goal of Lubuntu is to be lightweight, so it makes sense
 not to include it.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Only one password request?

2010-07-12 Thread Andrew Woodhead
Do you mean using gksudo or sudo in command line??

Remember sudo is ONLY for command line apps and gksudo is for X based apps.
-Andy (actionParsnip)


On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.comwrote:

 I noticed this before, but forgot about it. When you open any app
 requireing sudo privilages you only get one go at the password.  If you get
 it wrong you have to restart the app.  This is true in both Lucid and
 Maverick.  In X/Ubuntu you get several (three?) attempts, useful for clumsy
 typists.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Only one password request?

2010-07-12 Thread Andrew Woodhead
Yeah that is normal. Happens on my Ubuntu desktop too.
-Andy

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.comwrote:

 On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 21:51:33 +0100
 Andrew Woodhead andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com wrote:
 
 
  On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com
 wrote:
 
   I noticed this before, but forgot about it. When you open any app
   requiring sudo privileges you only get one go at the password.  If you
 get
   it wrong you have to restart the app.  This is true in both Lucid and
   Maverick.  In X/Ubuntu you get several (three?) attempts, useful for
 clumsy
   typists.
  
  Do you mean using gksudo or sudo in command line??
 
  Remember sudo is ONLY for command line apps and gksudo is for X based
 apps.
  -Andy (actionParsnip)
 
 sudo is OK, it gives you the three attempts.  gksu or gksudo only give the
 one attempt or something like synaptic gives only one attempt.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] IRC bots

2010-07-11 Thread Andrew Woodhead
to add to ubottu (the bot in #ubuntu) run:

!factoid is description

e.g.

!eggs is Eggs are laid by chickns and can be made into tasty omelettes


etc.
Run this in #ubuntu channel and it will be reviewed for addition.



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 Hi gang,

 *ubot2*

 in amongst my travels I've had a chat about the little room bots that live
 on rooms like #ubuntu-beginners that people can ask questions of (try
 entering !grub and !grub2 on that room). I have been informed that we can
 have the ubot2 added to #lubuntu if we wish. This would give access to a
 quick way of people getting information. I've also asked about the adding to
 the ubot2 (for example lxterminal) and have been told that this can be
 requested.

 *meeting bot*

 We can also have a meeting bot added, so any meeting that we hold on
 #lubuntu will be automatically formatted and archived. Zach had a play with
 it on the #ubuntu-beginners-wiki channel. The result of it can be found at
 http://mootbot.libertus.co.uk/ubuntu-beginners-wiki/2010/ubuntu-beginners-wiki.2010-07-11-15.57.html
   (I
 hasten to add, it was just Zach  learning from Alan a bit about how the bot
 works, with me looking on ;-)  )

 I propose that we have this functionality added to #lubuntu, please let me
 know whether to ask for either or both to be added.

 Regards,

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Opera browser on lubuntu

2010-07-04 Thread Andrew Woodhead
To install a deb file you can use:

sudo dpkg -i file.deb

And it will install, you can make apt attempt to satisfy dependancys (if
they are needed) with:

sudo apt-get -f install

Should be fine
-Andy


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 How am I able to install the .deb file on lubuntu? And how am I able to
 auto install updates for lubuntu?
 I am using lubuntu 10.04.
 Sent from my iPod
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Opera browser on lubuntu

2010-07-04 Thread Andrew Woodhead
There is a generic Opera repository available at http://deb.opera.com (with
full description of how to add it). Canonical repository for Opera no longer
works.

deb http://deb.opera.com/opera/ stable non-free

The line above will make sure you get all final public releases. Add the
following line if you want to get the newer alpha and beta releases instead.

deb http://deb.opera.com/opera-beta/ stable non-free

It is advisable that you add the Opera GPG key.

wget -O - http://deb.opera.com/archive.key | sudo apt-key add -

(If you get The following packages cannot be authenticated warnings,
you'll also need this:)

sudo apt-get install debian-archive-keyring

Install via the shell

sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get install opera






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 On Sat, 3 Jul 2010 15:14:18 -0600
 Daniel Hallett dhallett2...@gmail.com wrote:

  How am I able to install the .deb file on lubuntu? And how am I able to
 auto install updates for lubuntu?
  I am using lubuntu 10.04.
  Sent from my iPod
 
 Forgot to ask in my previous post.  Why have you titled your post 'Opera
 browser on lubuntu'?


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Dell Mini-9 issues

2010-07-04 Thread Andrew Woodhead
Did you MD5 test the ISO?
If you installed using a CD, did you check the CD for defects?

-Andy

On Sun, Jul 4, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Bob Trevithick bob.trevith...@gmail.comwrote:

 I just did the alpha-2 install on my Mini-9 Netbook, and there were
 various little issues that arose.  I'm not sure what level of detail
 you want at this point, or if you want a distinct thread started for
 each issue, so I'll just quickly list some here and perhaps you could
 indicate which, if any, are of interest to pursue further?

 1 - Install went fine until it reached the 95% point of Installing
 System, running dpkg, at which point it simply stopped for about a
 half hour and then completed the install successfully.  I was almost
 ready to abort, and I suspect many people would have.

 2 - My screen was so dim that it literally wasn't usable until I
 Googled for this issue and added appropriate commands to the grub
 startup command (both during the install and for subsequent boots).

 3 - On first run of Synaptic, it reports Auto Removable items.  It
 also generates errors, when I Reload, about signatures which
 couldn't be verified.

 4 - The browser has some minor problems, but I see that there are
 already bugs filed on chromium-browser which cover those.

 I haven't had a chance to test it much.  Is there a particular test
 regimen you'd like run, or aren't we at that point quite yet?

 Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Dell Mini-9 issues

2010-07-04 Thread Andrew Woodhead
Burn as SLOWLY as you are allowed. Even 1x if you can. It will give a better
image on the CD and will reduce errors by jitter and such. Using a USB
device alleviates the need for moving CDs and such (assuming you can boot
USB). If not definately burn slow, try another brand if you still get issues
and try not to use CDRWs.
-Andy


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 @Phill: Thanks.. the 95% bug I should have looked up!  If I can ever
 burn a CD (see below) I'll try the install with ethernet unplugged. :)

 @Andy: Okay, this is weird.  I did check the md5sum of the ISO I
 downloaded, but I did *not* check the CD I burned.. and I should have.

 I've now made three coasters, four counting the original one, and no
 matter what system I use to burn the CD, the file boot.cat comes out
 with the wrong md5.  It's the only error on the CD.  Neither Brasero
 nor Xfburn can put this image on a CD without screwing up that one
 file.  And neither one warns me of the error.  I wonder why it's
 always the same file?

 Anyway, my apologies.. I should have checked the CD as well as the
 ISO, obviously!  There's something I won't forget to do ever again. :)
  Now if I can just get it to burn accurately, just once, I can start
 over and hopefully things will work better.

 Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] usb sound

2010-06-30 Thread Andrew Woodhead
No I just use one that plugs into my already configured soundcard. Using USB
for audio just over complicates things and I have no idea why the idea has
taken on so much. We have audio in and out on the soundcards we use, even
ones back i the ealy 90s had them. Why can't we just use those. So much
easier, no drivers, no worries. Just slam it in and BAM!! It works.



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 Hi,

 has any one got either a set of usb speakers or usb head phones ?

 an OP on IRC could not get theirs to work, and not having a set I couldn't
 help. It will, no doubt, be some silly setting :-)

 Thanks,

 Phill.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Chromium Flash

2010-06-29 Thread Andrew Woodhead
I use the 64bit PPA, works great

On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 6:06 AM, Jaeic Lee zerax...@gmail.com wrote:

 That's how it is for me too, I just have to install the plugin and chromium
 picks it up automatically.

 On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 3:43 AM, Steve yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.comwrote:

 On Mon, 2010-06-28 at 08:33 -0400, Bob Trevithick wrote:
  If for some reason Chromium doesn't pick up the copy of the plugin in
  the mozilla directory, maybe making a symbolic link would be a better
  option?  That way any updates would automatically be applied to
  Chromium's version, and there's less disk wasted?  --Bob
 
  On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Chow Loong Jin hyper...@ubuntu.com
 wrote:
   On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 11:19:17 +0100
   Andrew Woodhead andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com wrote:
  
   Just copy it to /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins
  
   And run chromium-browser with --enable-plugins. (Unless I'm outdated
   and it's enabled by default now).
  
   --
   Kind regards,
   Chow Loong Jin
  
 Unless I’m missing something, all I did was ensure the Partner
 Repository was enabled and did an 'apt-get adobe-flashplugin'. Start
 Chromium and flash functions OK.  This was on a clean Lucid install.



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Chromium Flash

2010-06-28 Thread Andrew Woodhead
Just copy it to /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins

Simples


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 Hi,

 Okay, I can leave that bit out, it is just I know that set of instructions
 work so am not to blame if it does not work for the next peron ;-)

 Regards,

 Phill.


 On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Chow Loong Jin hyper...@ubuntu.comwrote:

 On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 21:04:08 +0100
 Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

  Hi gang,
 
  I know the chromium team are working on in-built flash support, until
  that happens and lubuntu ships it, can I pop on the instructions from
 
 http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-enable-flash-support-for-google-chromium-browser.html
  over
  onto the wiki help area, i'm guessing 'Advanced Users' would be the
  place for it.
 
  First you need to make sure you have installed chromium browser
 
  Now you need to install flash using the following command
 
  sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
 
  Now you need to copy libflashplayer.so file into
  /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins directory
 
  sudo cp /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so
  /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins

 I don't think it's necessary to copy the .so file around. Chromium
 automatically searches in the mozilla plugins' directories as
 well.

  [...]

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Grub Install Bug @Lubuntu-10.04 (Distribution Release)

2010-06-27 Thread Andrew Woodhead
I'd just like to add one thing that EVERYBODY is forgettin

GRUB IS NOT THE *ONLY* BOOTLOADER

Try LILO, It is a perfectly fine bootloader, or am I just thinking
outside the box here and being too radical. Just because Grub is default
in Ubuntu doesn't mean it is the best solution. You could also try BURG

-Andy



On Sun, 2010-06-27 at 08:33 +0100, Phillip Whiteside wrote:
 hi Goh,
 
 
 yes, there is, it is not a dell issue, as is clearly explained, also
 the work around for a bug that one of the
 devs https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/496435/comments/6  
 says is not fully tested, the consensus of those who are dealing with 
 problems over at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1516153 is still to 
 use still to use  dpkg-reconfigure and not apt-get etc.
 
 
 I'm awaiting the guy who writes up a lot of documentation that we mere
 mortals use to refer to in order to have a chat with him, I have a
 strong sense that he will also shrug his shoulders and say that the
 grub team have messed up (again) and to continue to use the
 dpkg-reconfigure option. I recall that grub2 came out and totally
 broke RAID support. They have been playing catch up ever since. Given
 the chance, I'd use burg as it is more pro-active and re-active to
 problems.
 
 
 I really do not know why we are arguing over this? Grub 2 can cause
 major problems when there is more than one hard disk involved - that
 is beyond dispute. In 9.10 it cannot support RAID, with 10.04 we got a
 newer version that gave some RAID support, but they would not back
 port it, when 10.04 came out it had a big fall out with Win7. - that
 is still a 'work around'. 
 
 
 Such a basic part of *nix should not need 'work-arounds', n00bs will
 not that there is one - It must be sorted out.
 
 
 Should not we be trying to help the OP, it is quite evident there is a
 problem and people get annoyed over having their computer in a non
 booting mode? Regardless of any sleek looking graphics, let us not
 fall into the trap that Microsoft did with Service Pack 2 for XP. When
 we do tempt people over to *nix, if their first introduction to it is
 a broken system they will not only never come back, they will tell
 everyone that *nix breaks computers. That is not acceptable, we are in
 the hands of the Grub people - so people should complain there and we
 should ensure that people asking why lubuntu does not work in such
 situations are clearly told that it is not a fault of lubuntu.
 
 
 Regards,
 
 
 Phill.
 
 On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 7:27 AM, Goh Lip g@gmx.com wrote:
 On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 06:12:35 +0100
 Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:
 
 
  Goh,
 
  I'm not quite sure how to explain this to you?
 
  Rule #1 You install *buntu it works, if it does not work it
 does not
  break anything.
 
  At present it can totally break things. There is no point
 arguing
  over it, just go see the forum area for people for whom it
 has broken
  there is no point saying that it is does not, as there are a
 lot of
  people saying that it does.
 
  The problems with grub2 and Win7 were bad enough under the
 'older'
  grub2. You do not seem to have read through that thread
 fully
 
  some links to read,
 
 
 Phillip, have read your links above. To add, there are some
 problems
 not in your links related to Dell's recovery system, raid, lvm
 and
 others...but not to denigrate your specific issue which is
 the
 failure to install by install grub-pc and you have found
 success by sudo apt-get install grub-pc;  yes, you're right,
 I cannot
 see the point arguing that it should just work with install
 grub-pc
 and not just sudo apt-get install grub-pc. You do not seem
 to have
 read how to use 'sudo' and 'apt-get' rather than understanding
 how to
 install grub.
 
 Are there any more specific issues with grub you like to bring
 up
 rather than saying I haven't read fully?
 
 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] key error

2010-06-23 Thread Andrew Woodhead
sudo apt-key adv --keyserver p http://keyserver.ubuntu.com/gp.mit.edu
 --recv-keys ACC3E225CF57B0F4

Should be ok

On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:25 AM, Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.netwrote:

 Hi gang,

 I have an OP on with a problem, the pastebin is due to expire, so I include
 it at the bottom. Any ideas?

 (23:26:47) xsaiddx: hello guys
 (23:26:55) *gilir left the room (quit: Quit: Ex-Chat).*
 (23:27:31) xsaiddx: how can i keep lubuntu updated cus i keep gettin those
 updates of ubuntu
 (23:29:43) phillw: hi xsaiddx, one moment, i'll go get the link
 (23:30:06) xsaiddx: phillw: okies : D
 (23:30:28) phillw: xsaiddx:
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Keep%20Lubuntu%20up-to-date
 (23:31:45) xsaiddx: yeh i did that and when i push update via synaptic it
 gives me some errors
 (23:31:53) *vitium1 [~starc...@81-86-175-58.dsl.pipex.com] entered the
 room.*
 (23:31:54) phillw: what errors?
 (23:32:00) xsaiddx: and can i take of those lines in the source list of
 ubuntu
 (23:32:06) xsaiddx: hang on
 (23:32:43) *vitium left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 245 seconds).*
 (23:34:52) xsaiddx: its error GPG http://ppa.launchpad.net lucid Release:
 cant verify those signatues cus the public key its unavailable
 (23:36:17) xsaiddx: signatures beacause the public key its unavailable
 (23:36:44) phillw: xsaiddx: can you try this from a terminal and let me
 know what it says
 (23:36:46) phillw: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:lubuntu-desktop/ppa
 (23:37:33) xsaiddx: did it just now and can i take off those lines fo
 ubuntu ??
 (23:37:45) xsaiddx: in the source-list file ?
 (23:38:35) xsaiddx: is gives me this and sumthin else gpgkeys: HTTP fetch
 error 7: couldn't connect to host
 (23:39:15) phillw: I'm not sure what you have in your listing to be
 checked, that command will give you the lubuntu one, I've seen that error
 before when one of the servers for updates has been down.
 (23:40:30) xsaiddx: ahh and can i give you my source list file ??
 (23:40:52) phillw: how familiar are you with the terminal?
 (23:41:52) xsaiddx: and i kno the basic commandes tho
 (23:42:16) xsaiddx: why?
 (23:43:55) phillw: there is a thread on such things happening, take a look
 at it and see if it is what you are seeing
 http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1221323.html
 (23:44:12) phillw: If that is not it, I will look for another thread
 (23:44:19) xsaiddx: ok thanks
 (23:49:14) xsaiddx: i ead that i have to put the key into this commande
 but idont kno how sudo apt-key adv --keyserver 
 keyserver.ubuntu.com--recv-keys XXkeyIDX
 (23:49:22) xsaiddx: i read
 (23:51:32) xsaiddx: phillw: hello you there ?
 (23:51:43) ***phillw back
 (23:51:56) xsaiddx: wb
 (23:52:19) phillw: do you see which key is failing?
 (23:52:33) xsaiddx: yess
 (23:53:26) xsaiddx: here NO_PUBKEY ACC3E225CF57B0F4
 (23:53:39) xsaiddx: but how ican type it in hexadecimal
 (23:53:41) phillw: okies,
 (23:53:51) phillw: it is already in hex :-)
 (23:54:14) xsaiddx: :ZzZz
 (23:54:16) phillw: give me a moment to get the exact command for you
 (23:54:21) xsaiddx: ok
 (23:54:54) *n00bomatic2 left the room.*
 (23:55:06) phillw: sudo apt-key adv --keyserver 
 keyserver.ubuntu.com--recv-keys ACC3E225CF57B0F4
 (23:55:24) ***phillw crosses fingers
 (23:55:43) *n00bomatic [~cyp...@g227070039.adsl.alicedsl.de] entered the
 room.*
 (23:56:05) xsaiddx: shud i replace ubuntu with lubuntu ??
 (23:56:46) xsaiddx: phillw: shud i replace ubuntu with lubuntu ??
 (23:57:00) phillw: xsaiddx: can you post up your full version of
 (23:57:02) phillw: W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net jaunty Release:
 The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not
 available: NO_PUBKEY 60D11217247D1CFF
 (23:57:48) phillw: the whole line is what i need from you.
 (23:58:19) xsaiddx: ok ill past to you the hole mesage but its french and
 we ll tanslate
 (23:58:53) xsaiddx: phillw: W: Erreur GPG?: http://ppa.launchpad.net lucid
 Release: Les signatures suivantes n'ont pas pu ?tre v?rifi?es car la cl?
 publique n'est pas disponible?: NO_PUBKEY ACC3E225CF57B0F4
 (23:59:37) xsaiddx: these signaturs coudnl be veified cus the public key
 its not available
 (23:59:38) phillw: the command should work
 (23:59:47) phillw: sudo apt-key adv --keyserver 
 keyserver.ubuntu.com--recv-keys ACC3E225CF57B0F4
 (23:59:53) xsaiddx: k
 (24/06/10 00:00:01) *sixpack75 left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 264
 seconds).*
 (00:00:13) phillw: you are requesting a key from the key server.
 (00:01:14) xsaiddx: well now i have to add a epotsity of lubuntu right
 then update ?
 (00:01:45) phillw: how did you install lubuntu?
 (00:02:22) *Al2 [...@164.108.231.222.megaegg.ne.jp] entered the room.*
 (00:02:22) xsaiddx: i was on ubuntu then installed the meta package
 lubuntu-desktop
 (00:04:00) phillw: ahh,. you need to follow
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Install%20Lubuntu%20from%20Ubuntu%20or%20any%20Ubuntu%20flavors
 (00:04:16) phillw: you would have gotten out 

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] key error

2010-06-23 Thread Andrew Woodhead
Sure, they are mirrored from the other servers. There are LOADS of key
servers, just that everyone seems hell bent to using one then wondering why
they get timeouts. I think its comical. The keys are added so that you know
the packages are from the maintainers repo. They are used to decrypt the
data (as far as I am aware), so a key is a key, as long as the data is
decrypted it is ok..

On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 1:38 AM, Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.netwrote:

 I am happy to do so, but is it a _safe_ place to get the keys from?

 I'd hate to send someone there and them have a problem, I'm sure you know
 what I mean in that regard as keys are important.

 Regards,

 Phill.


 On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 1:18 AM, Andrew Woodhead 
 andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Yeah that server gets swamped due to every man and his dog using it. If
 you use a different one then you will more than likely get a response. Go
 underground baby, YEAH!



 On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:54 AM, Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.netwrote:

 Thanks Andrew,

 that worked :-)

 Regards,

 Phill.


 On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:29 AM, Andrew Woodhead 
 andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com wrote:

 sudo apt-key adv --keyserver p http://keyserver.ubuntu.com/gp.mit.edu
  --recv-keys ACC3E225CF57B0F4

 Should be ok

 On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:25 AM, Phillip Whiteside 
 phi...@phillw.netwrote:

 Hi gang,

 I have an OP on with a problem, the pastebin is due to expire, so I
 include it at the bottom. Any ideas?

 (23:26:47) xsaiddx: hello guys
 (23:26:55) *gilir left the room (quit: Quit: Ex-Chat).*
 (23:27:31) xsaiddx: how can i keep lubuntu updated cus i keep gettin
 those updates of ubuntu
 (23:29:43) phillw: hi xsaiddx, one moment, i'll go get the link
 (23:30:06) xsaiddx: phillw: okies : D
 (23:30:28) phillw: xsaiddx:
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Keep%20Lubuntu%20up-to-date
 (23:31:45) xsaiddx: yeh i did that and when i push update via synaptic
 it gives me some errors
 (23:31:53) *vitium1 [~starc...@81-86-175-58.dsl.pipex.com] entered the
 room.*
 (23:31:54) phillw: what errors?
 (23:32:00) xsaiddx: and can i take of those lines in the source list
 of ubuntu
 (23:32:06) xsaiddx: hang on
 (23:32:43) *vitium left the room (quit: Ping timeout: 245 seconds).*
 (23:34:52) xsaiddx: its error GPG http://ppa.launchpad.net lucid
 Release: cant verify those signatues cus the public key its unavailable
 (23:36:17) xsaiddx: signatures beacause the public key its unavailable
 (23:36:44) phillw: xsaiddx: can you try this from a terminal and let
 me know what it says
 (23:36:46) phillw: sudo add-apt-repository ppa:lubuntu-desktop/ppa
 (23:37:33) xsaiddx: did it just now and can i take off those lines fo
 ubuntu ??
 (23:37:45) xsaiddx: in the source-list file ?
 (23:38:35) xsaiddx: is gives me this and sumthin else gpgkeys: HTTP
 fetch error 7: couldn't connect to host
 (23:39:15) phillw: I'm not sure what you have in your listing to be
 checked, that command will give you the lubuntu one, I've seen that error
 before when one of the servers for updates has been down.
 (23:40:30) xsaiddx: ahh and can i give you my source list file ??
 (23:40:52) phillw: how familiar are you with the terminal?
 (23:41:52) xsaiddx: and i kno the basic commandes tho
 (23:42:16) xsaiddx: why?
 (23:43:55) phillw: there is a thread on such things happening, take a
 look at it and see if it is what you are seeing
 http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1221323.html
 (23:44:12) phillw: If that is not it, I will look for another thread
 (23:44:19) xsaiddx: ok thanks
 (23:49:14) xsaiddx: i ead that i have to put the key into this
 commande but idont kno how sudo apt-key adv --keyserver
 keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys XXkeyIDX
 (23:49:22) xsaiddx: i read
 (23:51:32) xsaiddx: phillw: hello you there ?
 (23:51:43) ***phillw back
 (23:51:56) xsaiddx: wb
 (23:52:19) phillw: do you see which key is failing?
 (23:52:33) xsaiddx: yess
 (23:53:26) xsaiddx: here NO_PUBKEY ACC3E225CF57B0F4
 (23:53:39) xsaiddx: but how ican type it in hexadecimal
 (23:53:41) phillw: okies,
 (23:53:51) phillw: it is already in hex :-)
 (23:54:14) xsaiddx: :ZzZz
 (23:54:16) phillw: give me a moment to get the exact command for you
 (23:54:21) xsaiddx: ok
 (23:54:54) *n00bomatic2 left the room.*
 (23:55:06) phillw: sudo apt-key adv --keyserver 
 keyserver.ubuntu.com--recv-keys ACC3E225CF57B0F4
 (23:55:24) ***phillw crosses fingers
 (23:55:43) *n00bomatic [~cyp...@g227070039.adsl.alicedsl.de] entered
 the room.*
 (23:56:05) xsaiddx: shud i replace ubuntu with lubuntu ??
 (23:56:46) xsaiddx: phillw: shud i replace ubuntu with lubuntu ??
 (23:57:00) phillw: xsaiddx: can you post up your full version of
 (23:57:02) phillw: W: GPG error: http://ppa.launchpad.net jaunty
 Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public
 key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 60D11217247D1CFF
 (23:57:48) phillw: the whole line is what i need from you.
 (23:58:19) xsaiddx: ok

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Alpha 1 PAE Kernel

2010-06-14 Thread Andrew Woodhead
You only need PAE on 3Gb+ RAM as stated. 32bit address registers can only
hit ~3gb RAM so need special software to manage the memory addressing. This
is what PAE does and allows up to 12Gb RAM for 32bit Linux. If you only have
1Gb RAM then weather or not the kernel has PAE or not will not affect you :)

The minimal ISO will install the generic kernel only. I have not played with
the latest maverick Lubuntu yet so cannot vouch for if it uses PAE or not.

HTH
-Andy

On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:09 PM, Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.netwrote:

 hi Steve,

 as of 10.04

 Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx)
 Both the CD and DVD installer of Ubuntu 10.04 automatically installs the
 PAE enabled kernel if it detects more than 3 Gb of available memory. In the
 case of the liveCD, a working network connection is required, since the PAE
 enabled kernel packages are not present on the CD.

 I've just asked on #ubuntu+1

 (22:50:28) phillw: hi folks, with 10.10 is the pae kernel for 32 bit going
 to be the default?
 (23:00:33) xx: phillw: It is already.
 (23:01:25) xx: phillw: provided you have 3GB+ of available memory, and
 a internet connection to download it automatically.

 I'm a bit busy at the moment, but I will test this out on my 1Gb laptop,
 hopefully others will be able to respond before I get it installed.

 Oh, and from having had a hunt around, it also seems that dropping i586
 support is causing some ripples

 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/+bug/587186


 Regards,
 Phill.
 On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.comwrote:

 Got 10.10 installed and running and noticed that the 32 PAE kernel is
 installed as default. Is this an Ubuntu thing or waht?

 --
 Steve Cook (Yorvyk)

 http://lubuntu.net

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Java/IcedTea not working in Chromium

2010-06-06 Thread Andrew Woodhead
try:

cd /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins; sudo ln -s
/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/lib/i386/IcedTeaPlugin.so

Should be ok.

Personally I use the .bin file from www.java.com as all the systems I'd need
java on are 64bit. I then symlink the libnpjp2.so to the plugins folder and
it works.

Java and flash n Ubuntu all run at 32bit via a 64bit wrapper which I think
is horribly convoluted and ungraceful despite there being 64bit native
plugins available.

HTH



On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Carsten Agger ag...@modspil.dk wrote:

 I'm using Lubuntu 10.04 on my netbook, an Acer Aspire 110 with 512 megs of
 RAM, and it's generally a pleasure.

 I have one problem, though - the Java plugin seems not to be working in
 Chromium. I want to play Runescape, the MMORPG at www.runescape.com.

 What I'm getting is basically a blank (rather, black, the HTML background)
 page where the Java applet should be.

 I installed Java and the plugin by installing the
 ubuntu-restricted-extras package which pulled the openjdk and icedtea
 versions of Java and plugin. This works FINE in Firefox on Ubuntu 10.04 on
 my other computer.

 Anybody knows what's wrong or how to put it right? :-) Is there a problem
 with Java and Chromium? Maybe not, though - epiphany seems to give the
 same result (I won't install Firefox).

 br
 Carsten

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Java/IcedTea not working in Chromium

2010-06-06 Thread Andrew Woodhead
Not sure, I dont install flash or java using the repos nowadays.
Let us know how you get on

On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Carsten Agger ag...@c.dk wrote:

 søn, 06 06 2010 kl. 11:56 +0100, skrev Steve:

   Maybe install another JVM? But this is supposed to work fine, I should
   think?
  
  It should work fine but, I’ve never got it to work. I always install
  sun-java6-plugin
 
 
 Thanks, will try that. As I said, the funny thing is that this works
 fine in Ubuntu Desktop 10.04, with Firefox. This might mean it's due to
 some bug/missing dependency in Lubuntu packaging?

 And, maybe it would be nice with a lubuntu-restricted-extras package
 with things that work (like Sun Java instead of Iced Tea) and possibly
 more lightweight selections in some cases?

 (I know, wishing out loud instead of doing something about it myself.
 Alas, I like using Lubuntu but don't have time to contribute to
 development at this time.)




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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Java/IcedTea not working in Chromium

2010-06-06 Thread Andrew Woodhead
Sure but the plugin is proprietary and the open versions do not have the
full range of stuff which the Adobe one does.

On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 12:43 PM, paolo liut paolo.l...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is it possible to use adobe flash player or other open flash player if I
 have Lubuntu and Chromium?

 Paolo

 2010/6/6 Richard Austin richaustin1...@aol.com

  Carsten

 I can understand not installing Firefox but Chromium maybe isn't the
 answer until it's completed? I could argue that using Google software is
 like using Windows - a sell out to the corporates - but i do not want a
 flame war thank you!

 I'd suggest giving Midori a try - it's very quick and light on resources.
 It runs fine on my Samsung 6000 with 256 ram and Lubuntu. Link for it is:
 http://www.twotoasts.de

 Rich


 On 06/06/10 12:11, Andrew Woodhead wrote:

 try:

  cd /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins; sudo ln -s
 /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/lib/i386/IcedTeaPlugin.so

  Should be ok.

  Personally I use the .bin file from www.java.com as all the systems I'd
 need java on are 64bit. I then symlink the libnpjp2.so to the plugins folder
 and it works.

  Java and flash n Ubuntu all run at 32bit via a 64bit wrapper which I
 think is horribly convoluted and ungraceful despite there being 64bit native
 plugins available.

  HTH



 On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 9:22 AM, Carsten Agger ag...@modspil.dk wrote:

 I'm using Lubuntu 10.04 on my netbook, an Acer Aspire 110 with 512 megs
 of
 RAM, and it's generally a pleasure.

 I have one problem, though - the Java plugin seems not to be working in
 Chromium. I want to play Runescape, the MMORPG at www.runescape.com.

 What I'm getting is basically a blank (rather, black, the HTML
 background)
 page where the Java applet should be.

 I installed Java and the plugin by installing the
 ubuntu-restricted-extras package which pulled the openjdk and icedtea
 versions of Java and plugin. This works FINE in Firefox on Ubuntu 10.04
 on
 my other computer.

 Anybody knows what's wrong or how to put it right? :-) Is there a problem
 with Java and Chromium? Maybe not, though - epiphany seems to give the
 same result (I won't install Firefox).

 br
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Java/IcedTea not working in Chromium

2010-06-06 Thread Andrew Woodhead
Never had an issue but I use java from the java people rather than some
package.

On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Carsten Agger ag...@modspil.dk wrote:

  søn, 06 06 2010 kl. 12:11 +0100, skrev Andrew Woodhead:

  Personally I use the .bin file from www.java.com as all the systems
  I'd need java on are 64bit. I then symlink the libnpjp2.so to the
  plugins folder and it works.
 
 

 Hmm, at any rate it seems sun-java6-plugin is no longer in the
 repositories for lucid :-(

 Maybe I really should try an alternative to Chromium. Anyone has the
 default/IcedTea Java working in Chromium?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] IRC and Help

2010-06-04 Thread Andrew Woodhead
I'm in #ubuntu quite a lot (remember to say yo yo yo to your friendly
parsnip :D) and I do enforce the rules but am not an op. If people
tell others to obey the rules / use !ops if they are not compliant
then it helps keep things smoother.

On Friday, June 4, 2010, Goh Lip g@gmx.com wrote:
 On 06/04/2010 09:19 AM, Phillip Whiteside wrote:

 Hi,

 I've just had a chat with one of those 'very nice people' over on ubuntu
 about something I saw happen on #ubuntu-beginners the other day, that
 being a an idiot in the room breaking all the rules for politeness on
 IRC and also using swear words. On that occasion there were 'OP's in the
 room and also available who kicked him off (He actually got K-lined from
 freenode for those who know the difference).

 Currently /msg chanserv access #lubuntu list will show you the access
 list. hyperair and elfgoh are both OPs there

 Whilst I hope that #lubuntu will not get that sort of abuse, could the
 team think along the lines of how #ubuntu-beginners runs and grant OP
 status to a few of those who are regulars so that they would be able to
 act if a 'saddo' / 'troll' etc comes by?

 Regards,

 Phill.


 Perhaps we can ask newcomers to read
 http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists
 http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct
 and adhere to it.

 It would also be good if there is one or two moderators on this list who 
 would remind anyone who breaks the rules and have the power to suspend him 
 from the list, if necessary.

 The ubuntu-users mailing list tends to be abusive too and there are people 
 who gives advice badly. There is certainly room for improvement and I hope 
 this lubuntu list can remain civil, polite and helpful.

 The kubuntu-users list is quite friendly, helpful and cheerful. Sometimes 
 there are 'stragglers' from the ubuntu list but when they misbehave, they are 
 usually shooed away by the kubuntu users themselves.

 Of course the quality of any list depends ultimately on the users themselves 
 but there must be a mechanism to prevent spam, flaming and trolling.

 This is usually not in the code of conduct, but since this is an 
 international mailing list, I'd recommend that any signature of a political, 
 religious or anti-religious sentiment be removed.

 Admittedly, it is not easy to handle the multi faceted mix of users. For 
 example, some, when rebuked about their offensive or profane statements, may 
 claim 'cultural licence' - I am from New York, people are not so thin-skinned 
 - or a guy who starts his posts with a long winded capital-lettered tribute 
 to god. I would not envy the moderator.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] 64-bit install?

2010-06-04 Thread Andrew Woodhead
The packages in the metapackage will be available in both 32bit and 64bit.

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:37 AM, M. Daub m.d...@web.de wrote:

 Hi Andrew,
 hello *,

 I know, that the packge manager pull down the 64-bit version, if they
 exist.
 But I assume, that the package manager will get the 32-bit version if this
 is
 the only one of the package.

 So to be more precisely:

 1.) Does all the maintainers of the various packages needed for lubuntu-
 desktop (lxde-..., pcmanfm, osmo, deadbeef, ...) provide 64-bit versions?

 2.) If some components are only provided as 32-bit, are there any concerns
 about such a mixed-system?

 Best regards

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Ubuntu Desktop] Required

2010-06-02 Thread Andrew Woodhead
As Jaeic says, removing metapackages is harmless, they are hollow and empty
and o not remove the packages they install so are fine to remove, this is
the same with any metapackage


On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 12:42 AM, Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.netwrote:

 Hi,

 I guess this is more a question for Juliene, but one of things that has
 been raised a few times on IRC is why lubuntu *insists *on having all the
 packages that it does, for example you cannot remove Mplayer to free room up
 and put an alternative on, nor xfburn if you wish brasserro. Whilst the list
 of default packages is commendable, it does seem somewhat odd that none of
 them may be removed without it taking out the whole of lubuntu.

 The argument of 'more difficult to support' does not really stand, people
 want to make their computer their own, the whole idea of *buntu is choice,
 we can easily say that we cannot support xyz, but forcing people to have
 applications on that they do not want seems odd.

 Regards,

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Ubuntu Desktop] Required

2010-06-02 Thread Andrew Woodhead
Updates will be fine, the upgrade process expects (as far a I know) there to
be a desktop metapackage to use as a reference so may be needed when
maverick comes out. Otherwise its absolutely fine.

i personally instal ubuntu-restricted extras then remove it as well as the
stupid flash plugin it gives to then install 64bit flash. If i keep the
package installed it will repull in 32bit flash and all the other garbage I
do not want. I's a touch of control :)

Peace
-Andy


On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.netwrote:

 Hi,

 can you confirm that doing so will not, as has been reported as a bug cause
 any issues with updates / upgrading?

 Thabks,

 Phill.


 On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Andrew Woodhead 
 andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com wrote:

 As Jaeic says, removing metapackages is harmless, they are hollow and
 empty and o not remove the packages they install so are fine to remove, this
 is the same with any metapackage


 On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 12:42 AM, Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.netwrote:

 Hi,

 I guess this is more a question for Juliene, but one of things that has
 been raised a few times on IRC is why lubuntu *insists *on having all
 the packages that it does, for example you cannot remove Mplayer to free
 room up and put an alternative on, nor xfburn if you wish brasserro. Whilst
 the list of default packages is commendable, it does seem somewhat odd that
 none of them may be removed without it taking out the whole of lubuntu.

 The argument of 'more difficult to support' does not really stand, people
 want to make their computer their own, the whole idea of *buntu is choice,
 we can easily say that we cannot support xyz, but forcing people to have
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 Regards,

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] great lubuntu with problem

2010-05-28 Thread Andrew Woodhead
Try:

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:nvidia-vdpau/ppa; sudo apt-get update; sudo
apt-get install nvidia-glx-185

Works perfectly for my onoard nvidia 6150 so will work with your 9800GT
-Andy

2010/5/28 Radovan Suchánek radovansucha...@atlas.sk

 Hello,

 Long time I use xubuntu and ubuntu linux, some time ago I tried the new
 lubuntu to me very much nice, because it is very simple, clear and very
 quickly. I am very happy that lubuntu has few programs which gives the
 freedom to choose the programs to the user need. Please Stay on this road.
 My problem is to install the nvidia graphics card 9800gt. Standard procedure
 through the automatic installation of nvidia drivers and does not work after
 installing glx, kernel packages and restart the system will not working with
 3D support. Please how to solve this problem? how do I install the nvidia
 drivers to be fully operational 3D in lubuntu when a hw work automatic HW
 detection do not working?

 Thank you very much for help! :)

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] questions about lubuntu-10.04.iso

2010-05-24 Thread Andrew Woodhead
I'm kinda up for a Run the whole OS in RAM. like puppy has if its THAT
small. Who's with me. There is a guide on this which I intend to use in my
next system / this laptop if I get bored.

On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Leszek Lesner leszek.les...@web.de wrote:

  Am 24.05.2010 07:06, schrieb rya...@mail.com:

  How much GB of disk space(including swap) does a full install of
 lubuntu-10.04 use if installing from the lubuntu-10.04.iso CD? 2GB? 3GB?

 Does lubuntu-10.04 include the HPLIP driver for HP printers? If so, what
 version of HPLIP is it? HPLIP 3.10.5?

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  If you have more then 1 GB RAM you don't neccessarly need a SWAP
 partition.
 If you don't consider double the RAM size to use for SWAP.

 Lubuntu uses about 1.5 GB of space right after installation. So the minimum
 space you need is 2 GB I would say.
 I recommened 4 to 5 GB to have it running good and be able to install
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] questions about lubuntu-10.04.iso

2010-05-23 Thread Andrew Woodhead
http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/hplip
http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/hplipStates 3.10.2-2ubuntu2 but it's easy
enough to use the binary from the HPLIP site.

If you have more than 2Gb RAM You can easily get away with no swap due to
the size of Lubuntu but I have yet to install it myself due to other
projects taking my time :(

I'm sure somebody who has installed it can give their df -h output

Cheers
-Andy

On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 6:06 AM, rya...@mail.com wrote:

  How much GB of disk space(including swap) does a full install of
 lubuntu-10.04 use if installing from the lubuntu-10.04.iso CD? 2GB? 3GB?

 Does lubuntu-10.04 include the HPLIP driver for HP printers? If so, what
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] 64-bit install?

2010-05-22 Thread Andrew Woodhead
Yes thats on way to get 64bit Lubuntu. You want a minimal amount of stuff
installing to then install the metapackage. Your networking will need to be
workable from command line too.

On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Bob Trevithick bob.trevith...@gmail.comwrote:

 If I were to use the Ubuntu 64-bit Alternate CD, do just a command
 line install, and then pull in the lubuntu-desktop package, would I
 have a workable 64-bit Lubuntu?  It will be a few days before my AMD
 system is up and running again, so I can't test this at the moment.

 A related question would be if there is an official 64-bit version
 planned?  All other *buntu versions have both 32- and 64-bit options,
 so I would guess that would be an expectation of Canonical's for
 inclusion?

 Thanks, and regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] 64-bit install?

2010-05-22 Thread Andrew Woodhead
Well if you want it now then the minimal ubuntu install is the way to go to
get 64bit Lubuntu. Depends if you can wait or not :)

On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Bob Trevithick bob.trevith...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Andrew Woodhead
 andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com wrote:
  Yes thats on way to get 64bit Lubuntu. You want a minimal amount of stuff
  installing to then install the metapackage. Your networking will need to
 be
  workable from command line too.

 Thanks.  Will this testing benefit the project, or would it be best to
 wait until you actually do a 64-bit version (if you do)?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] samba and windows

2010-05-19 Thread Andrew Woodhead
You can also create a credentials file in this format:

username=yourusername
password=youpass

Then use this in samba:

//server/share /media/samba cifs
credentials=/path/to/file,uid=1000,gid=100,noperm 0 0

Having a username/password setup on samba is a very good idea as it keeps
users out but also authenticates you as a user on the remote system, you can
use samba to only give access to certain resources to certain usernames thus
making it more secure.


On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 1:13 AM, Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.netwrote:

 hi,

 I was just chatting to a couple of those 'nice people' about pysdm, it's
 limitations and if a user of it could get support on the main forum area
 (which is yes) and I mentioned about the on going saga with samba. Here's
 one to try in fstab

 # Samba
 //server/share /media/samba cifs user=user,uid=1000,gid=100,noperm 0 0

 # Server = Samba server (by IP or name if you have an entry for the
 server in your hosts file
 # share = name of the shared directory
 # user = your samba user
 # This set up will ask for a password when mounting the samba share. If you
 do not want to enter a password, use a credentials file.
 # replace user=user with credentials=/etc/samba/credentials In the
 credentials file put two lines

 # user=user

 # password=password

 # make the file owned by root and ro by root (sudo chown root.root
 /etc/samba/credentials  sudo chmod 400 /etc/samba/credentials)

 If you get chance, give it a try :-)


 For ntfs stuff, I've been reminded of ntfs-config for those with windows on
 their systems who want to share a hard drive easily (which some one pointed
 out earlier on the mailing list).

 Regards,

 Phill.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Inclusion in 10.10 [Disk Mounting]

2010-05-18 Thread Andrew Woodhead
If you install a full ubuntu then install LXDE then automount is ok.
Just my 2p worth

On Tuesday, May 18, 2010, PCMan pcman...@gmail.com wrote:
 PCManFM2 actually can do automount on startup, unless your policykit
 is not working correctly, which happens frequently. However, which
 device to mount is a big problem since the rules are defined by gvfs
 and it doesn't seem to be configurable.

 On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 2:06 AM, Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:
 Hi,
 It has been asked on IRC if it is possible to automount devices on startup.
 I could only advise manually editing the fstab. Having had a further dig,
 pysadm does not bring any dependencies onto my system (I'm guessing they're
 already there because of Pyneighborhood). As it is only going to use up a
 little disk space and I would not think more resources to run than something
 like Pyneighborood do you think it is an included candidate, or should it be
 just noted that a user requiring such functionality can install it via
 Synaptics.
 Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Inclusion in 10.10 [Disk Mounting]

2010-05-18 Thread Andrew Woodhead
I appreciate that, I'm just showing that automount is possible with Lubuntu,
just need the right packages and whatnot
Peace
-Andy

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.netwrote:

 Hi Andrew,

 When you install a desktop on top of another desktop (lxde on top of gnome
 in this case) you get all the applications associated with both Desktops.
 Where you to strip out the gnome desktop fully, then pysadm would go with it
 (along with things like OpenOffice etc. etc.).

 Regards,

 Phill.

 On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:18 AM, Andrew Woodhead 
 andrew.woodhead...@googlemail.com wrote:

 If you install a full ubuntu then install LXDE then automount is ok.
 Just my 2p worth

 On Tuesday, May 18, 2010, PCMan pcman...@gmail.com wrote:
  PCManFM2 actually can do automount on startup, unless your policykit
  is not working correctly, which happens frequently. However, which
  device to mount is a big problem since the rules are defined by gvfs
  and it doesn't seem to be configurable.
 
  On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 2:06 AM, Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.net
 wrote:
  Hi,
  It has been asked on IRC if it is possible to automount devices on
 startup.
  I could only advise manually editing the fstab. Having had a further
 dig,
  pysadm does not bring any dependencies onto my system (I'm guessing
 they're
  already there because of Pyneighborhood). As it is only going to use up
 a
  little disk space and I would not think more resources to run than
 something
  like Pyneighborood do you think it is an included candidate, or should
 it be
  just noted that a user requiring such functionality can install it via
  Synaptics.
  Regards,
  Phill.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Replacing Aqualung with Exaile [DISCUSSION]

2010-05-16 Thread Andrew Woodhead
If yuo want to test deadbeef:

*sudo add-apt-repository ppa:alexey-smirnov/deadbeef; sudo apt-get update;
sudo apt-get install deadbeef*

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 12:46 AM, PCMan pcman...@gmail.com wrote:

 Maybe we can take some time to do this and send the patch to its
 author. This should not be too hard.

 On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 6:18 AM, Sylkis syl...@gmail.com wrote:
  WOW! I'm impressed. this DeadBeef player looks like it's going to be
  my fav - it perfectly the thing I was looking for!
  BUT!
  there is one problem for me. guess it won't be for any new users, by I
  have a lot of playlists in .m3u format, as well as a lot of people may
  have some in .pls and other such popular ones. and this player
  supports only it's own playlist format... pity.
  if the palylist importing (converting?) would be added, then it is a
  perfect player for me! :)
 
  2010/5/15 PCMan pcman...@gmail.com:
  I encourage every Lubuntu and LXDE users to try DeadBeef, an almost
  perfect lightweight yet feature-rich music player.
  The author provided deb packages already. The latest release is quite
 awesome.
  http://deadbeef.sourceforge.net/
  The UI is very similar to that of LXMusic, but it's much more
 functional.
  Please try it and share your opinions.
  This is my favorite so far.
 
  On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 2:26 AM, Sylkis syl...@gmail.com wrote:
  hi
  in my personal opinion exaile is worthless. I had only problems with
  it, user-unfriendly interface, trying to be amarok-like libary with
  addition of player. both aqualung and rythmbox are much better choice.
  rhythmbox has bizzare interface that you have to learn how to use, but
  it is possible to do that (unlike with exaile, wich seems very similar
  to players like amarok so ypu think theres nothing to learn, but then
  it suprises you with its options and features hidden so much that you
  can't configure it at all and in the end it unusable and impossible to
  learn it without help on forums! and we want lubuntu to be easy for
  everyone, right?), and aqualung is pure spartan simplicity, yet
  powerfullness, like foobar on windows, with wich you have to really
  try to mess something up to have it not working.
  so I'd stick to aqualung.
  cheers
 
  2010/5/15 Glenn glenn_de_gr...@hotmail.com:
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  Hello,
 
  I am sending this mail because of the advise Julien Lavergne gave me
 in
  our big ¨Lubuntu application discussion for maverick¨ discussion. :P
 
  This mail is about discussing Aqualung replacing with Exaile.
  Exaile is a bit like a lightweight rhythmbox, it loads quickly and
  supports a lot of music files. Through Synaptic you can even install a
  plugin for Ipod support, and you can also install a plugin for pidgin
 so
  pidgin can display the music song you are listening with Exaile.
  Exaile uses about 18,8 mb of memory on idle, and Aqualung uses 9.9 mb
 of
  memory on idle (LXmusic 2.7 mb :P )
  Exaile has many advantages, it is not gray and not odd looking like
  Aqualung (which looks weird in every Desktop Enviroment) less
  dependencies, more support because of a bigger project. (e.g Exaile
 has
  a good launchpad page with bug reporting and translating all open to
  everyone, Aqualung hasn´t got a launchpad page.)
  Is the 9 mb difference in memory consumption acceptable in Lubuntu? Or
 a
  slightly different question, is it worth the sacrifice? (Atleast I
 think
  it definetly is, but what about you guys?)
 
  - -Glenn
 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu application discussion for maverick

2010-05-13 Thread Andrew Woodhead
I always use gnome-mplayer

mplayer is one of the oldest and most respected players out there

-Andy

2010/5/13 神癒礁湖 ・ rafaellag...@gmail.com

 Well, LXMusic isi a good program, but remeber that it depends on libpango
 libraries and xmms2.  Have anyone tested listening music music with
 Gnome-MPlayer? It's perfect (reproduction lists, cover thumbnail, etc).


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] A Newbie Question about Autostarting

2010-05-12 Thread Andrew Woodhead
Make a symlink to the .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/name.desktop
in ~/.config/autostart

and it will run.


On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Lane Lester lles...@info-fast.com wrote:

 I'm a long-time user of Ubuntu. Lately I've been using Openbox for my WM,
 so I decided to try Lubuntu and get rid of some unused overhead.

 I'm also a fan of Conky, and I quickly learned that it didn't get along
 with pcmanfm. So I've commented it out and am using feh to manage my
 wallpapers. I like it for its ability to rotate wallpapers on a schedule.

 After some initial dismay I was pleased to find the option in Preferences
 to enable window manager desktop menus.

 A message on here today led me to the Ubuntu wiki page of derivatives, and
 I was surprised Lubuntu wasn't there.

 One confusing thing is the number of autostart folders and files. I
 managed to edit enough of them to get most things the way I want, but I
 still can't get alarmclock to start even though it runs fine from the menu.
 Is there an official Lubuntu way to autostart programs?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Desktop icons

2010-05-12 Thread Andrew Woodhead
Open PCManFM and go to Edit  Preferences  Desktop. There is an option
Manage the desktop and show icon files. Turning this off removes all icons
from the desktop.

You have to have it, or no icons at all. Your choice.
-Andy

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 Hi, Can anyone tell me how to make lubuntu stop displaying my root
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu compressed ISO file?

2010-05-11 Thread Andrew Woodhead
ZIP doesn't do a fabulous job of compression, Bzip will get the data
significantly smaller. Hosting both files will require more storage on the
server side and essentially double the space needed to store the same info.
If space is a luxury then I'd say do it, otherwise you may have to bite the
bullet for an extra 12Mb.
Set the download running overnight and go to bed, the file will be
downloaded when you wake up :)

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 Currently lubuntu 10.04 is available as an ISO file from
 http://lubuntu.net. I have a slow broadband connection so would it be
 possible for you to offer a compressed version of the ISO in the .ZIP
 file format? The ISO file is 521MB, so if you compressed it into a .ZIP
 file, what will the new file size be? 500MB? Any decrease in file size
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu compressed ISO file?

2010-05-11 Thread Andrew Woodhead
Yes as you will only download what you need instead of the full OS which may
contain files and apps you do not need

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:35 PM, T.Beemster c...@tbeemster.nl wrote:

  On 05/11/2010 04:18 PM, Phillip Whiteside wrote:

 i was thinking possibly down-loading the minmal.iso, and then doing the
 desktop install form that. It *should* be smaller in terms of data
 downloaded ?
 Regards,
 Phill

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 On Tue, 11 May 2010 14:00:43 +0100
 Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

  I don't think the minimal install route pulls in all the language packs,
  could this be an option?

  It's included in the iso, if you want to remove them, you need to
 generate another iso. Maybe at some point a minimal iso will be generated,
 for this purpose, but I don't know when I'll have the time to do it.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Very nice looking

2010-05-10 Thread Andrew Woodhead
I agree but most users will want the full flash / java experience. The open
source versions do not have the full capabilities of the proprietary
versions but some form of option could be incorporated into starting the
live cd etc etc to achieve the below without infringement of license etc.

Glad you like the release though dude :) I think it's awesome and long
overdue.


On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 1:29 AM, Marti Martinson 
arthur.martin...@verizon.net wrote:

 Very nice looking distro! I was so very worried that NO *buntu 10.4
 would be able to load on my Ubuntu 9.10. EVERY Alpha, Beta, and RC
 LiveCD of 10.4 Ubuntu, Xubuntu, and Lubuntu FAILED to boot. Your Stable
 Beta finally would boot up. (Bug #545367)

 Are there any plans to include, by default, the gnash or swf-dec
 players, or the OpenJDK or iced-tea (I think that is their name),
 plugins? I don't think there would be any license issues, as these are
 OSS. And a user could have a YouTube and java experience right
 out-of-the-box.

 I'd like to finally force my Mom to get onto the Net, and a LiveCD box
 with NO hard-drive might be good.

 Thank you for all your work. Much success to Lubuntu!

 Viel Glueck.

 Bonne chance.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] BUGS: VISUDO PERMISSION NOT WORKING

2010-04-25 Thread Andrew Woodhead
Thats a really bad idea and destroys system security completely.
I strongly advise nobody to do this, its a REALLY bad idea.

On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Chow Loong Jin hyper...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sunday 25,April,2010 10:18 PM, Pierre Yahoo wrote:
  Visudo permissions do not work.  I tried to give myself permissions for
  password-free actions typing sudo visudo in a terminal (e.g. to
  hibernate using a shortcut (launcher) myusername
  ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/sbin/pm-hibernate or myusername ALL=NOPASSWD:
  /usr/bin/srm to make a secure-delete trashcan).
 
  It does not work, the same command and launcher worked in Debian and
  Puppy but not in Lubuntu.
 
  It works, however, if I already signed in with password in a terminal or
  Synaptic.

 Works just fine for me in Ubuntu. I don't see why it wouldn't work for you.
 If
 it needs you to sign in with a password first, it means that the NOPASSWD
 part
 isn't working. Try sudo -k in a terminal followed by sudo
 /usr/sbin/pm-hibernate in a terminal and see whether it prompts you for
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu documentation

2010-04-22 Thread Andrew Woodhead
Yes:
sudo aptitude update  sudo aptitude safe-upgrade

is an appropriate way to upgrade your system at CLI

the command:
gksudo leafpad

is the way to run leafpad as root, do NOT use sudo with GUI apps as you can
damage file ownerships as sudo does not setup the environment correctly.

Otherwise Lubuntu is no different to Ubuntu, it just has a different set of
default apps and a different default desktop (LXDE instead of Gnome) so any
guide you can find on Ubuntu will work. This is the same for KUbuntu which
uses KDE instead of Gnome and XUbuntu which uses XFCE instead of Gnome. They
are all Ubuntu under the hood.

Unlike Windows you can change your desktop environment very easily in Linux
and that is all that has changed to the system, what is under the hood is
exactly the same as all the other official releases.

HTH



On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Goh Lip g@gmx.com wrote:

 In trying to learn more about Lubuntu, especially the commands and
 applications for it, I find the sources pretty sparse. For example, I am
 still using 'sudo aptitude update  sudo aptitude safe-upgrade' to update
 Lubuntu and wondering if that is correct. Also while the command 'gksudo
 leafpad' is given here on the list (thanks), it is difficult to find out
 other useful commands. The links given on the
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu page and other LXDE sites are not too
 informative either.

 Of course being a new 'distro', I could understand, but can someone provide
 more links so that a newbie like me can pick up some speed?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] memory leak

2010-04-16 Thread Andrew Woodhead
Firefox is notoriously bad with ram. It's one reason I dropped it long ago
when chromium came out, prior to that i mainly used arora.

2010/4/16 ¤•thony•¤ Rulez kernell...@hotmail.com

  I have the same problem installing firefox and check the memory usage,
 use firefox instead of chromium


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 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 20:41:37 +0100
 From: phi...@phillw.net
 To: yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com
 CC: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
 Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] memory leak

 Hi Steve

 top - 16:08:54 up 35 min,  1 user,  load average: 1.07, 0.71, 0.45
 Tasks: 114 total,   1 running, 113 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
 Cpu(s):  9.3%us,  2.0%sy,  0.3%ni, 87.4%id,  0.7%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.3%si,
  0.0%st
 Mem:   1016908k total,   559736k used,   457172k free,19948k buffers

 top - 20:40:50 up  5:07,  1 user,  load average: 0.38, 0.52, 0.60
 Tasks: 118 total,   1 running, 117 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
 Cpu(s):  0.3%us,  0.7%sy,  0.3%ni, 98.7%id,  0.0%wa,  0.0%hi,  0.0%si,
  0.0%st
 Mem:   1016908k total,   845600k used,   171308k free,47212k buffers

 I'm running Chromium and pidgin only, on a 'clean' Beta2 install (I have
 LAMP on my other one and wanted to remove that from the possible cause).

 I'm rather stuck :-(

 Regards,

 Phill.


 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Steve yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.comwrote:

 On Wed, 14 Apr 2010 01:22:42 +0100, Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.net
 wrote:

  hi Steve,

 you will have read 'war and peace' which is why I missed you on IRC.
 Addons... Hmmm,

 1) Full LAMP Server aka 'main' Ubuntu - Updated as per updates by them; be
 very surprised if it were that, else all hell would break out but I'm sure
 the leak was here before that.

 2) Chromium daily ppa - There WAS a memory leak but it was fixed ages ago -
 that's why I changed to daily ppa a few weeks back.

 3) All the stuff that pcman had me install to be able to compile pcmanfm
 from source with debug on

 I use pidjin for my Im/IRC stuff, bog-standard no additional stuff on that
 one as they can cause problems. I found xChat to be very memory hungry, and
 need IM as well as IRC

 If you know of no-one seeing it, I'll put the beta2 onto a 'clean'
 partition
  see how it runs, the leak has always been very evident within a few
 hours.

  No sign of a memory leak here at the moment on beta 2..



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Testing report - network manager

2010-04-15 Thread Andrew Woodhead
If you then run:

sudo iwlist scan

Do you see the network?

You may have to connect to it after you make it.

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Roger Dean
rogeralexanderd...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi there

 Congrats and thanks for all the hard work with Lubuntu!

 I've noticed that lubuntu B2 (updated) doesn't seem able to 'create new
 wireless network'. Steps to reproduce -

 1. Click network icon in notification area, and select 'create new
 wireless network'
 2. Select wireless security 'none', give the network a name and click
 'create'
 3. Network manager tries and fails to create the network. Notifies
 'disconnected'

 This is reproducible every time, and I've tried it on a thinkpad x60s
 and an eee 901. Network creation works fine on ubuntu lucid B2. I've not
 tried the other security options, but I think there's something to look
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] adding the ppa updating

2010-04-08 Thread Andrew Woodhead
why not use command line, so much easier than messing with stupid slow GUIs:

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:lubuntu-desktop/ppa; sudo apt-get update; sudo
apt-get upgrade

or whatever. Simple to describe in qan email rather than click this click
that type this etc



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 Hi,

 Until 'Update Mananger', or the Lubuntu replacement are ready, would be
 okay to add the instructions from post the instructions on Updating Lubuntu
 I was given from http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4t=54 to the
 wiki page as part of the 'Download Lubuntu' 
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Download
 Lubuntu https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Download+Lubuntu

 (I will just post the instructions, not my comments on the team ;-) )

 Regards,

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lxde-list] about lubuntu...

2010-03-22 Thread Andrew Woodhead
Wicd also doesnt support 3g which users may need (as far as i remember)

I prefer wicd personally, it is DE independant which is swt



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 Wrong list.
 Please join lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net and ask there.
 Besides, network manager has better compatibility with many kinds of
 hardware.
 Wicd works well, but it doesn't always work on some machines.

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  installed lubuntu-desktop on a 9.10 ubuntu, really fast, really nice. :-)
 
  The point is wicd.. I didn't know about it, and it comes with
  lubuntu-desktop. Is really usefull and I like it, and I use only wired
  connection (people say it's amazing in wireless)
  My question is I heard that lubuntu 10.04 is going to change wicd for
  network manager (default gnome connection manager). Why this change? :(
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] samba

2010-03-17 Thread Andrew Woodhead
Why not just use /etc/samba/smb.conf ?

simply add this sort of thing to share a folder:

[DOWNLOADS]
path = /home/andy
comment = Some stuff
browsable = yes
read only = no
writable = yes
hide dot files = yes
guest ok = no
invalid users = root bin daemon nobody named sys tty disk mem
valid users = andy

as an example from my file server sharing my universal home folder, people
get so tied up on gui tools when the conf file can be easily learned,
especially as the file is so humanly readable.



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 Thanks,

 I've only ever had MacOSX and Win connected via Samba, and I'm using a set
 of instructions for pyneighborhood that are for a an earlier release.

 As pcmanfm uses gvfs for the smb part, and there appears to be an elephant
 in the room re: the core 10.04 and samba I'd hate to start pointing fingers.
 I don't have enough knowledge of samba to state yes / no as to if the bug
 others are seeing on 'main' 10.04 carries over to lubuntu, but I figure it
 would.

 I also cannot state if pyneighborhood uses the gvfs interface, but it would
 make sense if it did.

 Hopefully one of the lubuntu devs could tell us if the reported gremlin in
 the 10.04 area would affect lubuntu.

 My own thought is to hold back until they have it fixed in 10.04 main, but
 I am completely open to being corrected and being informed that the samba
 issue with gvfsd-smb-browse does NOT have any effect on lubuntu.

 Assuming we wait until it is fixed for ubuntu 10.04, I'll then set up a
 share with that, so I know it all works - Then I'll try with Lubuntu.

 I'm open to any comments / suggestions, though :-)

 Regards,

 Phill.


 On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Phix phix@gmail.com wrote:

 I can help with testing if you'd like. Pyneighborhood was something I
 tried in karmic lubuntu before installing alpha 3, and it didn't work very
 well there either, but that might have been from the bug in samba main.

 On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 7:05 AM, Phill Whiteside 
 phi...@uk.vpolink.comwrote:

 Hi,

 I don't know how others are getting on with pyneighborhood, I've been
 struggling, it seems that I am not alone with samba.

 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1426517

 There appears to be gremlin in the works :-(

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Scanning and printing graphics, how?

2010-03-16 Thread Andrew Woodhead
install xsane from the repo and you will get it, you may have to setup
drivers etc, similarly you can install gwenview or eog and view / print
images. gwenview is the choice in fluxbuntu.
HTH

On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 8:41 PM, Steve yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote:



 Unless I’m missing something there appears to be no scanning package
 installed as standard and no easy way of printing photos.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] restricted-extras

2010-03-15 Thread Andrew Woodhead
As Lubuntu uses gstreamer like Ubuntu just use ubuntu-resricted-extras. kde
uses something different so has its own thing, i believe xubuntu-restricted
extras is the same as ubuntu-restricted-extras. Just need to copy the
package and rename t on the repo afaics ;)

Just my 2p worth
-Andy

On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Leszek Lesner leszek.les...@web.de wrote:


 M. Daub schrieb:

 Hello *,

 for the other ubuntu's there are restricted-extras-packages.
 Which is most suitable for lubuntu or will be there also a
 lubuntu-restricted-
 extras-package in the future?

 Kind regards
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 There is currently no restriction package. You need to install
 w32codecs(medibuntu) and libxine1-all-plugins manually for codec support.
 Flashplayer should be in flashplugin-nonfree or flashplugin-installer.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Nice comment. Let's make sure that we don't make the same mistakes.

2010-03-15 Thread Andrew Woodhead
Its only looks though. Like gaps in icons.
I'd rather the devs concentrate on getting things working than minor
graphical issues like this.
I actually commented on the post to this effect.


On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Phill Whiteside phi...@uk.vpolink.comwrote:

 Indeed, PCMan, if you get a chance, take a look at what the response on
 Lucid Test Forum is

 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1427273

 Regards,

 Phill.

 On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 3:13 PM, PCMan pcman...@gmail.com wrote:

 I personally agreed with most of the things in this article.

 http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/16-things-that-could-be-improved-in.html

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] new logo

2010-03-08 Thread Andrew Woodhead
I liked both so did not vote.


2010/3/8 PCMan pcman...@gmail.com

 Maybe we can hold a vote on http://forum.lxde.org/ :-)

 2010/3/8 神癒礁湖 rafaellag...@gmail.com

  I know we're freezed, so we don't need to change anything except the
 logos.

 PS. At the end of the day, both proposals are tied again. Curious, this
 flows and turns back dozens of times...



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Post A3 Test: Encrypted home folder

2010-03-03 Thread Andrew Woodhead
No because it causes more bother than its worth. Too many users getting
nonbootable systems then losing data as they can't/won't decrypt their
drives.


On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Leszek Lesner leszek.les...@web.de wrote:

 Hi,

 did anyone test the Alpha 3 with encrypted home folder ?
 On my virtual installation it isn't decrypting my home folder. I need to do
 this manually on a tty.
 I think it might be a bug in lxdm.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] 64-bit

2010-03-02 Thread Andrew Woodhead
You can install the 64bit minimal system or u-lite then install the
lubuntu-desktop metapackage. It will then be 64bit

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 Le mardi 02 mars 2010 à 08:22 +0100, M. Daub a écrit :
  I don't know anything about packaging, so please could anyone say
 something
  about the possibility of making a 64-bit-edition too?

 There will be no 64 bits until the ISO is generated by the Ubuntu
 architecture. I may generate a 64 bits ISO for the final release, but I
 don't think before this.

 Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] colours

2010-02-18 Thread Andrew Woodhead
How about a few screenshots in a few different colours to see what the
consensus is?



2010/2/18 jo franz jo.ge.s...@googlemail.com

 hm, ok, purple is a trendcolour. thats right, its in (even if some
 magazines say that grey is the new purple), but it will become out again.
 maybe one year, maybe three, but same as neon-colours: totally cool now (and
 in the 80ies), but forgotten and ugly in some years.
 Our logo (and thats were i want the colourchange, even if the ubuntu logo
 is yellow and orange and brown, many parts of the standard theme are grey)
 should have a colour thats always ok, like a evergreen . purple has nothing
 to do with the philosophy of lxde or lubuntu. green has.  i changed your
 screenshot to green (just for comparison) and made some on my own.

 i made the files brown, a purple/blue/green wallpaper and logo doesn't meen
 that every little symbol has to have that colour.
 best regards, jo.


 2010/2/18 Sylkis syl...@gmail.com

 I didn't say it's pink. but it's more of a tone of pinkish varieties of
 violet ;) and I just know how many people would react depite it looks good


 2010/2/18 Jonay Santana jonay.sant...@gmail.com

   Looks nice to me. And I wouldn't call it pink, it looks more like
 purple... ;)

 On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Sylkis syl...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think it is going in a good direction - a minimal gamma correction to
 make it look less pink (especially the lighter part of wallparer), maybe
 base it on #4B0082 indigo? and I think we have an original, good look. I
 think it's nice even now, but many people would call it 'gay' (I didn't 
 want
 to use that word, but don't know how to say that nicely, I hope you guys
 understand), that why I propose less pinkish hue.



 2010/2/18 神癒礁湖 rafaellag...@gmail.com

  Wow, I see an explossion about colour issue. Please, check the theme
 wiki and see the options. I've made a few wallpapers for matching the blue
 colours. And I must be clear, I've received from Canonical the colour
 specifications about usage, logos, trademarks and Pantone(tm) references.
 That's why Xubuntu and Kubuntu (and official derivatives, as we want to
 be) are blue. Anyway, look at this shot:



 Is the purple / pink background with dark panel. As you can see
 there're a lot of combinations, but remaining theme specs. I'll made a 
 poll
 to request your preferences about GUI details.





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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Default Browser

2010-01-31 Thread Andrew Woodhead
What about Kazehakase which is a stripped down Firefox.

Firefox is a crappy browser once you try other stuff. The only thing I have
seen people sa yits great about is plugins which other browsers are now ok
with.

You failed to mention Arora which is webkit based and fully supports scipts
and ajax. I strongly advise you try it.
-Andy

On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Steve yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.comwrote:

 On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 04:18:06 -, Julián Alarcón alarc...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Some notes:

 Lubuntu is Ubuntu and free software, so, is not JUST for linux geeks,
 is for all human beings.
 Lubuntu will be a light OS, so, no big resources. The main goal of
 Lubuntu is to bring Ubuntu to old PCs (here on Colombia many people
 (rural zones) use Pentium II + 256 of RAM + 10 GB DD + 1024x768 max.
 resolution), and, if we can give a complete experience to old
 computers, we'll score!!

 * Browse trough a Terminal? Lynx is completely out.

 * Chrome is NOT free software [1]

 * Chromium really is free software, but, Chromium is NOT a final
 browser,just a development branch, so.. Support for Chromium is
 unknown, but, Chromium is now on Lucid, so, maybe this won't be a
 problem.

 * Firefox is great, and Firefox 3.6 rulez! But, is not fast.

 * Midori is great, but have some render and identification problems,
 and less features.

 * Opera is NOT free software, one less...

 So, we have: Firefox, Chromium, and Midori.

 * The big faults of Chomium are, no official support (so Midori) from
 Canonical and from Google (Chromium is just a name project for Google)
 AND a big amount of memory use (I'm testing Chromium and with 7 tabs I
 got 815 MB used!!! (No flash guys)).
 Don't think so much on HTML5 (video), my PC waste more CPU watching
 OGG (on Firefox) and h264 (on Chromium) than Flash on both (this is
 sad but true, there are not good video libraries yet)

 * Midori is a great tool, not official support from Canonical, but,
 Midori developers are supporting Midori, and this is good. And, Midori
 has been on Ubuntu repos since Hardy, so, we got some experience..

 * Firefox is great, but, it's not so fast, and we need something fast
 (remember, old PC's). Firefox have extensions, browser market, support
 from many sites, official support from Canonical and Mozilla,low
 memory use.


 So, my favorites:

 * Midori + Extension to bring false identification of Firefox or
 Safari (I like more Firefox ID) to surpass identification problems

 * Firefox, keep it simple. Firefox is now a great web browser, and has
 many many people behind.

 Having now used Lubuntu on a PII with 128MB RAM, I have to say I tend to
 agree with the above.  Once you open 2 or 3 pages with either Chromium or FF
 the machine can be come quite unresponsive as the poor drive gets thrashed
 with things swapping in an out. Going to try Midori again latter.


 Note: Don't think on LTS status, I guest that Lubuntu won't be an LTS
 release (just like Kubuntu 8.04).

 I think that was me that throw that one in. I just remember the confusion
 with the two KDE 8.04 releases



 [1] http://www.google.com/chrome/eula.html

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] RAM and CPU Requierments

2009-11-22 Thread Andrew Woodhead
FeatherLinux, DSL, Puppy all work great on old rigs


On Sun, 2009-11-22 at 00:38 -0500, Josh Embrey wrote:
 Although others have suggested other things, there are specific linux
 distributions that can really work well with old (I mean REALLY old)
 systems.  The issue is that they're really complicated for daily use.
 One good one.  TinyCore linux would work amazingly well on it, but
 it's not for new users by any means.  It does, however, have a basic
 GUI.  So, the option is there.
 
 http://tinycorelinux.com
 
 On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Eduard Gotwig
 eduardgot...@gmail.com wrote:
 How many RAM and CPU does Lubuntu 10.4 will require?
 i have a 266 mhz pentium 2 processor,126 mb ram and 5 gb disk
 space and
 what linux kernel we would take?
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] a suggestion

2009-11-16 Thread Andrew Woodhead
You'll find most users simply will not use anything else other than firefox
(sad but true) So will more than likely install it anyway due to ignorance
or some form of loyalty, despite its massive shortcomings (like ridiculous
ram usage)

I personally use Chromium and believe there is a time when we look back at
firefox and say what were we thinking!!?
-ActionParsnip (aka andy)


On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 11:20 AM, mehageg meha...@nana.co.il wrote:

 I defectively agree, chrome is a good choice, in condition that it's
 operational by the time of 10.4
 for the case it's not - I'd like to have your opinion regarding arora, I
 really find it mean and lean.

 On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:33 AM, Sylkis syl...@gmail.com wrote:

 2009/11/15 mehageg meha...@nana.co.il

  as lubuntu is a fast-lightweight version of ubuntu, maybe it's time to
 consider using arora http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/arora instead
 of firefox as the main web-browser.
 from my personal experience, arora fits very well as my main browser, it
 supports the main state-of-the art technologies (javascript+ajax, flash,
 java applets etc), has the main features you find in firefox (ad-block,
 live-http, privacy mode, tabbed surfing, smart bar).

 in the bottom line, it's just as great as firefox, just much faster and
 slimmer. matches perfectly the lubuntu/lxde way, as I see it.

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 Why not consider google-chrome? I know it's 'beta' status, but as I've
 been using it for a long time - since version in which plugins are defaultly
 on it's perfectly stable, and it's really lightweight and fast :) AND it's
 becoming quite popular, so I think it'd be better for lubuntu to have a
 popular browser that many people are familiar with, rather than having some
 exotic one that very little number of people use

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu could end up like Xubuntu (Heavy Slow)

2009-06-29 Thread Andrew Woodhead
This is kinda surplus, the system is still ubuntu based so the standard
repos can be used to install apps if they are needed.
If the OS is going to be as it says below, you may as well install a minimal
install then have a gui to select apps which can then be installed off the
repos. This however isn't the case, we are trying to make a smalland
efficient distro with a decent amount of functionality without bloating the
system with the likes of evolution, openoffice and firefox. These are fully
installable once the installation has completed but the initial base system
should be slick and quick

On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:14 AM, C David Rigby c.david.ri...@gmail.comwrote:

 On Mon, 2009-06-29 at 18:40 +0100, Ed Hewitt and several others wrote:

 discussion of keep it light or feature complete elided

 Restating the obvious, but the engineering trade off is always between
 ease of use/fully featured on the one hand and lightweight on the
 other. The necessary criterion is to decide what we really want to
 build, and make it unique and useful enough to attract interest.

 I've proposed it before, but I'll say it again as more people are on the
 list now (sorry that I've missed the IRC meetings for the last two weeks
 where the app mix has been the topic of discussion). How about the
 possibility of a very slim base install with the installer offering
 bundles to meet individual needs and desires? Something like the
 FreeBSD or Debian text installers comes to mind.

 The base installation would be just a command-line, network-capable
 system plus enough of X to get LXDE operational. We would be pushing the
 real work to the installer. The installer, whether text-based or
 grahpical, would need to provide a lot of choices of bundles to
 install.

 More importantly, I think the installer should provide something I have
 yet to see. That something is extensive documentation of the choices of
 bundles of applications, and what they mean in terms of system
 performance vs features. It should be organized so that a savvy user
 could bypass the explanations (or load a jumpstart script), but a novice
 would get a detailed explanation of what the choices are and what they
 mean for the final installed system.

 My $0.02.

 Cheers
 C David Rigby


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