Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

2011-11-20 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On 20/11/2011 19:31, Yorvyk wrote:
> If a CPU can't support PAE it can't support more than 4GiB of RAM, so the PAE
> part of the kernel shoudn't come into play.

From what I understand, PAE has a different set of paging structures compared to
non-PAE. Does the kernel know to fall back onto non-PAE mode if it cannot enable
PAE on a CPU?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Proposed changes to lubuntu-desktop

2011-06-08 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On 09/06/2011 12:34, Jonathan Marsden wrote:
> Why?  What is the value of being able to "still keep lubuntu-desktop"?

Because new packages being added to lubuntu-desktop will be pulled in when it is
upgraded. If you remote lubuntu-desktop, you won't get any of the new additions.
And it can be hard to track down what you want and what you don't want manually.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] 11.04 issues

2011-05-26 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On 27/05/2011 12:11, PCMan wrote:
> PCManFM always shows icons only to save screen space.
> So changing gtk+ settings won't affect it.
> This is not a bug. It's by design.

Shouldn't PCManFM use the gtk+ settings, and the gtk+ default settings be
changed in LXDE to use an icons-only layout instead?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Uninstalled package asks for updates in updatemanager

2011-05-12 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On 10/05/2011 23:29, Lee Gold wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Following your instructions, here's what I get. Could it be that only
> the graphic utility - the Update Manager - has the problem? Anyway here
> is the output of the command:
> 
> giga1@giga1:~$ aptitude full-upgrade --show-deps --simulate
> The following packages will be REMOVED:
>   cryptsetup{u}  dcraw{u}  dmraid{u}  ecryptfs-utils{u}  gedit-common{u} 
>   keyutils{u} (D: ecryptfs-utils)  libasound2-plugins{u}  
>   libdmraid1.0.0.rc16{u} (D: dmraid)  libecryptfs0{u} (D:
>   ecryptfs-utils)  
>   libgtksourceview2.0-0{u} (D: python-gtksourceview2)  
>   libgtksourceview2.0-common{u} (D: libgtksourceview2.0-0)  
>   libspeexdsp1{u} (D: libasound2-plugins)  localechooser-data{u} 
>   lzma{u}  
>   ndiswrapper-common{u}  python-gtksourceview2{u}  python-pyicu{u}  
>   rdate{u}  reiserfsprogs{u}  
> The following packages will be upgraded:
>   libjson-glib-1.0-0  libperl5.10  perl  perl-base  perl-modules  php5  
>   php5-cgi  php5-cli  php5-common  php5-gd  php5-mysql  xdg-utils  
> 12 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 19 to remove and 0 not
> upgraded.
> Need to get 18.4MB of archives. After unpacking 9,396kB will be freed.
> Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] Y
> Would download/install/remove packages.
> giga1@giga1:~$ 

Hi Lee,

The output from aptitude doesn't show anything about wanting to install apache.
I can't think of a reason update-manager would want to install apache, in that
case. Perhaps there's a bug in update-manager, and you should file it at
http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Uninstalled package asks for updates in updatemanager

2011-05-09 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On 10/05/2011 06:18, Lee Gold wrote:
> The update manager wants to update Apache - Apache updates are cited in
> my update manager, yet I uninstalled Apache weeks ago. Please see my
> previous screen print attachment. Why does my update manager want to
> update something that I have uninstalled?

Try something like:-

aptitude full-upgrade --show-deps --simulate

That should show why apache's getting installed.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Disk utility (palimpsest) bug

2011-02-17 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On Thursday 17,February,2011 04:46 PM, Naveen Agrawal wrote:
> Loong Jin
> 
> Please file a bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/palimpsest.
> 
> 
> The link provided  by you is incorrect. Please check it.

Whoops, sorry about that. I forgot it was in the gnome-disk-utility package.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Disk utility (palimpsest) bug

2011-02-16 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On Thursday 17,February,2011 05:54 AM, Naveen Agrawal wrote:
> Hi
> 
> While trying to open the mount-point in Disk-Utility(palimpsest), I came 
> across
> a bug that Disk-Utility asks
> for nautilus file manger instead of pcman. I am attaching the screenshot[1] of
> the problem.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Members list (and editing information in multiple places)

2011-02-01 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On Tuesday 01,February,2011 01:00 PM, Benny Hult wrote:
> And UTC is changed twice a year, there's winter time and summer time (daylight
> saving) and it requires editing to keep it up-to-date.

UTC isn't changed twice a year, by the way. UTC != GMT.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Keeping 10.04 alive

2010-10-27 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On Wednesday 27,October,2010 07:11 AM, Phill Whiteside wrote:
> Hiyas,
> 
> well it appears there is also a bit more than the dropping of i586 that 
> happened
> as r0b asked in the support channel earlier.
> 
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1592628
> 
> I think that really does validate the decision to continue the support for 
> 10.04.
> 
> I'd like to thank those who have pledged to support 10.04, and those who want 
> to
> help in that area.

I'd like to stress here before anyone gets the idea that Ubuntu made the
decision to drop Geforce4 MX, that the problem lies with nVidia, their binary
drivers, and them not releasing updates for their binary driver, leading to it
being incompatible with the new X server that Ubuntu uses. I believe this
happens almost every cycle with the -96 legacy drivers.

I'm not about to post in that thread, because it has degenerated into a flame
war of whether or not hardware/software vendors should support old hardware.
Anyone who has enough time to deal with that thread, please feel free to do so.


P.S. I also use the graphic card mentioned.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Chromium & Flash

2010-06-29 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 19:43:01 +0100
Steve  wrote:

> [...]
> > On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Chow Loong Jin
> >  wrote:
> > > On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 11:19:17 +0100
> > > Andrew Woodhead  wrote:
> > >
> > >> Just copy it to /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins
> > >
> > > And run chromium-browser with --enable-plugins. (Unless I'm
> > > outdated and it's enabled by default now).
> > >
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> > >
> Unless I’m missing something, all I did was ensure the Partner
> Repository was enabled and did an 'apt-get adobe-flashplugin'. Start
> Chromium and flash functions OK.  This was on a clean Lucid install.
> 
> 
> 

Then I'm outdated and it's enabled by default now :-)

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Chromium & Flash

2010-06-29 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 19:43:01 +0100
Steve  wrote:

> [...]
> > On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Chow Loong Jin
> >  wrote:
> > > On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 11:19:17 +0100
> > > Andrew Woodhead  wrote:
> > >
> > >> Just copy it to /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins
> > >
> > > And run chromium-browser with --enable-plugins. (Unless I'm
> > > outdated and it's enabled by default now).
> > >
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> > >
> Unless I’m missing something, all I did was ensure the Partner
> Repository was enabled and did an 'apt-get adobe-flashplugin'. Start
> Chromium and flash functions OK.  This was on a clean Lucid install.
> 
> 
> 

Then I'm outdated and it's enabled by default now :-)

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Chromium & Flash

2010-06-28 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 11:19:17 +0100
Andrew Woodhead  wrote:

> Just copy it to /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins

And run chromium-browser with --enable-plugins. (Unless I'm outdated
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Chromium & Flash

2010-06-27 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 21:04:08 +0100
Phillip Whiteside  wrote:

> Hi gang,
> 
> I know the chromium team are working on in-built flash support, until
> that happens and lubuntu ships it, can I pop on the instructions from
> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-enable-flash-support-for-google-chromium-browser.html
> over
> onto the wiki help area, i'm guessing 'Advanced Users' would be the
> place for it.
> 
> First you need to make sure you have installed chromium browser
> 
> Now you need to install flash using the following command
> 
> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree
> 
> Now you need to copy libflashplayer.so file into
> /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins directory
> 
> sudo cp /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so
> /usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins

I don't think it's necessary to copy the .so file around. Chromium
automatically searches in the mozilla plugins' directories as
well.

> [...]

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Compiz activation

2010-06-10 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 07:19:25 +0200
Zsolt Peter Basak  wrote:

> I heard someone do this but seriously, I do not think its possible.
> LXDE uses Openbox. That is a window manager. Compiz is also a window
> manager, so the two replaces each other.
> 
> One shot you can try is the 0.9 Compiz++ branch. (Or wait until it
> comes out). That'll support stand-alone window managing, so it'll work
> I guess with lxde.

Only one window manager may run per X display, yes. Compiz++ 0.9 is no
exception. And yes, you can run Compiz in Lubuntu by replacing Openbox
with it, using something like "compiz --replace", or even "compiz"
alone, since compiz defaults to --replace behaviour in Ubuntu.

To revert back, you can probably run "openbox --replace", or otherwise
killall compiz, then run "openbox".

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 522031] Re: installer crashed lubuntu

2010-06-06 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On Sun, 6 Jun 2010 20:55:13 +0100
Phillip Whiteside  wrote:

> The check cd for defects has a reported error where it says that one file
> has failed the test, you can run the md5checksum from the command line to
> verify the cd
> 
> 
>dd if=/dev/cdrom bs=2048 count=266741 | md5sum

Is the dd really necessary? I remember doing "md5sum /dev/cdrom" and having it
work just fine. :-)

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Java/IcedTea not working in Chromium

2010-06-06 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On Sun, 6 Jun 2010 04:22:58 -0400
"Carsten Agger"  wrote:

> I'm using Lubuntu 10.04 on my netbook, an Acer Aspire 110 with 512 megs of
> RAM, and it's generally a pleasure.
> 
> I have one problem, though - the Java plugin seems not to be working in
> Chromium. I want to play Runescape, the MMORPG at www.runescape.com.
> 
> What I'm getting is basically a blank (rather, black, the HTML background)
> page where the Java applet should be.
> 
> I installed Java and the plugin by installing the
> "ubuntu-restricted-extras" package which pulled the openjdk and icedtea
> versions of Java and plugin. This works FINE in Firefox on Ubuntu 10.04 on
> my other computer.
> 
> Anybody knows what's wrong or how to put it right? :-) Is there a problem
> with Java and Chromium? Maybe not, though - epiphany seems to give the
> same result (I won't install Firefox).

Try checking "about:plugins" in Chromium, and see if your Java plugin's being
detected by Chromium. Chances are that it wasn't installed properly though
(check update-alternatives --display mozilla-javaplugin.so, and that the
/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libjavaplugin.so link isn't broken).

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] 64-bit install?

2010-06-04 Thread Chow Loong Jin
n, I'd like to stress that Lubuntu shares Ubuntu's archives, and
uploads are made in source code form, and built *automatically* on
buildds for at least i386 and amd64 architectures (lpia is also
included in PPAs, and several other architectures are also built for,
but not all of them succeed all the time). This is not a "branch" out,
it is already there.

In fact, if you're writing code that can't be compiled on amd64 but can
be compiled on i386, then you're usually doing something wrong
somewhere in the first place. Something stupid like casting pointers
into integers and back. (Hey, I saw that kind of stupidity in the source
code of nachos, a small OS simulator made for educational purposes.)

In a nutshell: If your CPU does 64-bit, then go 64-bit. But don't
expect any great leaps in performance. Any gain in performance is
likely to be small for anything that's not CPU-intensive.

The only drawbacks you might get from 64-bit Lubuntu is.. say..
Adobe Flash, and Skype. But these two are really easy to install these
days, since there's the flashplugin-installer package in the archive,
and skype in Canonical's partner repository. And mind, these are both
proprietary software. So much for 100% 64-bit being unachievable for a
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] BUGS: VISUDO PERMISSION NOT WORKING

2010-04-25 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On Sunday 25,April,2010 10:18 PM, Pierre Yahoo wrote:
> Visudo permissions do not work.  I tried to give myself permissions for
> password-free actions typing sudo visudo in a terminal (e.g. to
> hibernate using a shortcut (launcher) myusername
> ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/sbin/pm-hibernate or myusername ALL=NOPASSWD:
> /usr/bin/srm to make a secure-delete trashcan).
> 
> It does not work, the same command and launcher worked in Debian and
> Puppy but not in Lubuntu.
> 
> It works, however, if I already signed in with password in a terminal or
> Synaptic.

Works just fine for me in Ubuntu. I don't see why it wouldn't work for you. If
it needs you to sign in with a password first, it means that the NOPASSWD part
isn't working. Try "sudo -k" in a terminal followed by "sudo
/usr/sbin/pm-hibernate" in a terminal and see whether it prompts you for your
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] adding the ppa & updating

2010-04-08 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On Thursday 08,April,2010 07:01 PM, Andrew Woodhead wrote:
> Because email is text based so text based help is a logical step. Most
> of the official documentation also includes text based help which is
> usually quicker than a user trying to find what is being described and
> possibly clicking the wrong thing and possibly screwing their system. A
> command from a knowledgeable user will simply do the job and can be copy
> and pasted to the terminal to precisely achieve the goal.

While also scaring away new users since they will:
 1. not be able to understand the command, or what they are doing
 2. be forced to give you their blind trust
 3. not be able to reproduce whatever they did again without referring to your
e-mail or chat logs because of #1.

There is only one word to describe the act of providing console-only help to new
users who are lost in the terminal:

*LAZINESS*

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] udisk and parted

2010-03-12 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On Saturday 13,March,2010 05:36 AM, Steve wrote:
> sudo aptitude dist-upgrade offers you the correct solution as well.

aptitude does not have dist-upgrade. It has full-upgrade and safe-upgrade which
are the dist-upgrade and upgrade counterparts from apt-get.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] dependency vs. configuration-possibility

2010-02-28 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On Sunday 28,February,2010 08:39 PM, PCMan wrote:
> That's just a meta-package and removing it won't break anything.
> Feel free to customize your system.

Actually we should use Recommends for all the mentioned dependencies, so that
they may be swapped out easily, while still retaining the lubuntu-desktop
metapackage in order to have newly depended upon packages installed
automatically in the next upgrade.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] quick run of lubuntu a3

2010-02-27 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On Sunday 28,February,2010 10:48 AM, Lee Briggs wrote:
> I think I've said this before, but is there any reason we couldn't give
> mono-paint a try?
> 
> Its a paint.net <http://paint.net> clone, unfortunately its written in
> mono, but its still pretty damn good for its size..
> 
> http://code.google.com/p/paint-mono/

Mono is a runtime/interpreter for CLI bytecode, not a language. You really mean
C#, but there's really nothing wrong with it being written in C#. The real
problem is that we are past FeatureFreeze and nobody has packaged it for
Debian/Ubuntu just yet, so it is not in the archives and will not be entering 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Default Browser

2010-02-01 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On Monday 01,February,2010 11:19 PM, Jeff Stone wrote:
> Unfortunately, whichever browser you chose, a bunch of potential users
> are going to be turned off. An alternative to consider is initially
> install no browser, then have a post-install script that will ask the
> user to decide, something like this:
> 
> Browser:
> 1. Firefox (default)
> 2. Midori
> 3. Epiphany
> 4. Arora
> 5. Chromium
> 6. none
> etc.
> 
> Office:
> 1. Abiword + Gnumeric (default)
> 2. Openoffice.org
> 3. none
> 
> Image editor:
> 
> Music player:
> 
> Launcher:
> 1. Kupfer
> 
> IM Client:
> 
> etc
> 
> The script might not have to do anything more than a few sudo apt-get
> installs. I don't know if this breaks some Ubuntu philosopy, but I think
> it opens the distro up to a *much* wider audience.
> 
> I'm sure you can't make dramatic changes to Ubiquity, and I know you
> don't want the user to have to make a lot of decisions at install time,
> but I'd *FAR* rather pick between a), b) and c), and know that the
> config is setup properly than to have to figure out how to delete one
> package and install another. You could even start with with the question
> "Do you want to select packages other than the defaults (Firefox,
> Abiword, Gnumeric etc)?"

I prefer to have sensible defaults in the installer, with the option of changing
these later on after the installation, not during. Even if browser choice is a
fairly religious thing, as long as you don't prevent people from using the
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Blueprint mobile-karmic-lxde-ubuntu-desktop] Build a very lightweight desktop for ubuntu based on lxde

2009-08-13 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On Friday 14,August,2009 02:32 AM, Liam Proven wrote:
> No troll was intended and I am slightly offended by that label.
But of course, I'm not labelling you as a troll, but just that
particular post as a troll post. It has no real content in it other than
pointless insults with no clarification (except in this post).
> 
> All the discussions to which I refer were on this mailing list, in
> public, within the last 2 months.
> 
> I participated in threads on the 2nd, 7th, 20th and 24th July, in
> particular. I.e., just last month.
> 
> Specific examples:
>  - Jon York posted "Lubuntu project Qs" on 7th.
>  - I posted "Lubuntu project questions - again" on the 24th.
> 
> If you do not have access to any list archives, would you like me to
> forward my archived copies on to you?
I haven't been really following up with the discussions, but poking
around my archives has revealed to me which posts you mean. However, I
haven't been able to find many suggestions, only complaints that Lubuntu
is slow/bloated.

I think you would benefit from reading this post[1] by Jo Shields.
Granted, it's aimed at the rather unproductive Mono war that's going on
everywhere online, but it has some pretty relevant points for you as
well, especially #4 and #6.


[1] http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/rants/163/
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Blueprint mobile-karmic-lxde-ubuntu-desktop] Build a very lightweight desktop for ubuntu based on lxde

2009-08-13 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On Friday 14,August,2009 01:50 AM, Liam Proven wrote:
> 2009/8/13 David Sugar :
>> Blueprint changed by David Sugar:
>>
>> Whiteboard changed to:
>>
>> Work items:
>> Application selection with community input: DONE
> 
> Where "community input" means "ignore any comments and do not engage
> in any discussion with the community."
> 
>>  Build a very lightweight desktop for ubuntu based on lxde
>>  
>> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-karmic-lxde-ubuntu-desktop
> 
> Where "very lightweight" means "no lighter than Xubuntu and still
> requiring a PC recent enough to run Windows XP".
> 
> Interesting insight into community development, this. Apparently,
> /community-driven/ means "we will do whatever we felt like doing in
> the first place and ignore comments, complaints, suggestions or any
> other input from the mailing lists".
> 
> So, really, not massively different from, say, Microsoft or anything, then.
> 
> What a disappointment.
> 
Thank you for trolling. Surely, when you were writing this e-mail, it
didn't cross your mind to include references to exactly what you're
talking about? Please also keep in mind that the community does not
revolve around you, nor does it consist solely of you.

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