Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] This mailing list will be closed SOON !

2012-01-18 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
Where to suscribe to the new list?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lubuntu-wiki-docs] LSC and Dependencies Talk

2012-01-16 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
2/1/16 ∅ maps.backw...@gmail.com

  On 01/16/2012 01:39 AM, Gabriel Salles wrote:

  *It would be nice if the Lubuntu software centre let the user know which
 packages were also going to be installed, and also if somehow it could tell
 the user if the package isn't really designed to go with Lubuntu.*

 I didn't understand. Here, LSC shows all the packages that are going to be
 installed with the main software.

 As I read it, it sounds like some users can't translate that into the
 answer to the question will this work with my resource-limited machine?

   *However, is there a reason why non-Lubuntu-approved apps are are in
 the LUBUNTU Software Center? Somehow that doesn't make sense to me.*

 I believe that all the softwares avaiable to Ubuntu needs to be avaiable
 to Lubuntu. The user needs to have the freedom to decide what he will
 install.

 But then we have another Synaptic? What's the point to that? Maybe I
 misunderstood the value of LSC but I thought of it as the catalog of
 Lubuntu-friendly apps. When you want to answer the question of what's the
 lightweight package for [blank]? that's where you go. If you don't care if
 it's lightweight or you don't get what you want in LSC, then you try
 Synaptic/apt/aptitude. Doesn't that make sense?

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Who would decide what app is right for Lubuntu? That's completely relative
to your specs machine.
On my old laptop (a 11 years old pentium 3) i've never found an app that
doesn't run well under Lubuntu... except of course apps REALLY HEAVY, but
that ones run just the same on any system. What I like very much about
Lubuntu is that it runs everything i throw at it, without complains :)
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Some little tweaks by default

2012-01-12 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
Done:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-default-settings/+bug/915615

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Some little tweaks by default

2012-01-11 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset

Hi all :)

I would like to propose some little configurations to come by default in 
lubuntu:


Audacious: activate Desktop Notifications (for 3.0 and above) and 
Global Hotkey for multimedia keys!


Chromium: make the gtk theme the default theme instead of that ugly blue 
that does not fit with lubuntu


I think it would improve the user experience and would make lubuntu more 
user-friendly  evecandy :)


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Integrate obkey (or the like)?

2011-12-28 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset

El 28/12/11 15:43, A. Andjelkovic escribió:

Interesting find, doesn't look very user friendly though (I've only
watched the screencast, looked weird to me).

That vs nothing i prefer that :)

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Viewnior?

2011-12-26 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
Will Viewnior be the default image viewer in 12.04 ? In 11.04 and 11.10 
it's not in the repos...


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[Lubuntu-desktop] Super Key

2011-12-24 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
Pressing the Super key should show the start menu in 11.10 normally. I'm
not getting this behaviour on my lubuntu laptop :(
Is this a bug or i'm the only one with this issue?

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[Lubuntu-desktop] About Xscreensaver

2011-12-23 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
It has been pointed in the past, that for old machines Xcreensaver makes
everything sluggish (i can make proof of it because some installations of
Lubuntu have crashed because it tries to launch xcreensaver and everything
falls apart AND in my pentium 3 @1000mhz the first thing i cut is the
screensaver because it slows the whole system)
If I remember correctly, drop xcreensaver was a bad idea just for the
blocking screen.
I've been using a little Ubuntu 11.10 and I'm wondering if they still use a
screensaver at all. Maybe they are using something different just to block
the screen?
If yes, maybe we could use the same thing and cut xcreensaver from Lubuntu.

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Wubi on 12.04

2011-12-21 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
One thing I would like to see in Lubuntu, is the presence of Wubi.
I've wanted to show some friend/familiars/co-workers how Lubuntu rocks
but the only way i get is by livecd... and they want to try it a little :)
Wubi is a GREAT option for a lot of people (myself included since i have
only one hard drive and original windows is installed on it ;)

Is this possible?

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[Lubuntu-desktop] How LSC works?

2011-12-21 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
One thing I need often is the presence of Lame on my system. So, i go to
LSC to install lame but can't see it!!
I go to USC to verify and i come to realize that the same search parameter
returns different things... (just try lame in LSC and USC to see it ;)
I'm guessing that this happens with other searches too.
My point is: LSC should show the same apps that USC with the same search
parameters, right?

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Idea for i586

2011-12-21 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
First, don't kill me for bringing back this topic ;)

Since Lubuntu is official, maybe the cause for dropping i586 is obsolete
(if I remember right it was because none of the flavours could run in it,
so there was no market there).
Aditionally, there's the fact that LTS are the less demanding resource
releases :) (experieced by me with 8.04 and 10.04)
Maybe we could ask nicely, together with Xubuntu, that at least for the LTS
*ubuntu could exist for i586...
I doesn't sound completely crazy to me.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Users

2011-12-17 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
2011/12/17 Gabriel Salles gabrielper...@gmail.com

 Companies, universities, etc. will have a local repo or cache and only
 download the update once for thousands of machines.  Even some home users
 do this if they have few machines.


Off topic, but just to know, can you point me on how to do that?
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: [lubuntu newsletter] lubuntu 10.10 released

2011-11-30 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset

Got this a few hours ago... any thoughts about it??

NOTE: LUBUNTU 10.10 !!

 Mensaje original 
Asunto: [lubuntu newsletter] lubuntu 10.10 released
Fecha:  Wed, 30 Nov 2011 04:12:57 +
De: lubuntu lubu...@lxde.org





 LUBUNTU 10.10 RELEASED
--

Taipei/Berlin/Paris, Oct. 10, 2010: Following intensive development Julien
Lavergne, developement lead of lubuntu, announced version 10.10 of the
lightweight desktop on October 10, 2010. lubuntu is a faster, more
lightweight and energy saving Ubuntu variant using LXDE, the Lightweight X11
Desktop Environment. It includes a special selection of light applications
combining easy usability and performance.
lubuntu is targeted at normal PC users running on low-spec hardware.
Improvements of the latest lubuntu version include autologin support in
ubiquity, support of install only mode in ubiquity, support for
lubuntu-restricted package in ubiquity. lubuntu 10.10 comes with a completely
new theme by Rafael Laguna. Lxpanel now supports Ubuntu indicators applets.
Added applications and tools are Update-notifier, to get notification for
available updates, Xpad, to create quick notes and Ace-of-penguins, to
provide some games. Parcellite, which is not maintained upstream, was removed
and Pyneighborhood was replaced by gvfs support of pcmanfm. LXtask replaces
Xfce4-taskmanager for tasks monitoring. Evince is now used for reading PDF.
During new installations a slideshow now describes features of the system.
Minimum requirements for lubuntu are comparable to Pentium II or Celeron
systems with a 128 Mb RAM configuration, which may yield a slow yet usable
system with lubuntu.
lubuntu features lightweight design work, faster boot speed and a smart
choice of applications aimed at keeping resource usage low. The standard web
browser is Chromium, the open-source version of Google Chrome. Besides speed
the lubuntu team aims to offer the best possible compromise for new users
offering easy to use application.
While lubuntu is developed with the end user in mind, its lightweight
approach also makes it attractive to corporate users focusing on faster
completion of tasks. Applications included are Sylpheed as e-mail client,
Openbox as window manager, the file manager PCManFM, GPicView Image Viewer,
Transmission for Bittorrent, Gnumeric for spreadsheets and Abiword for word
processing. A new meta-package (lubuntu-core) is available to install only
core packages of Lubuntu.  A new meta-package (lubuntu-restricted-extras) is
available to install restricted packages for Lubuntu (such as flash, java and
extra codecs for chromium). Additional applications are available through the
packaging installation system Synaptic from Ubuntu repositories.
Features of lubuntu 10.10:
* Faster boot speed through integration of lxdm, LXDE display manager
* Low usage of system resources through Lightweight X11 Desktop
Environment
* Lower energy-consumption
* Access to software repository through Synaptic software manager
Images for press use are available on
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Marketing
Availability
lubuntu 10.10 is entirely free of charge available for download from
http://lubuntu.net.
Useful links:
* How to install lubuntu:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Install%20Lubuntu
* How to upgrade from Ubuntu to lubuntu:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp
About LXDE
LXDE, the Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment is an extremely
fast-performing and energy-saving desktop environment. Started by Hong Yen
Jee known under his nick name PCMan, in Taiwan in 2005, LXDE is today
maintained by an international community of developers. It comes with a
beautiful interface, multi-language support, standard keyboard short cuts and
additional features like tabbed file browsing. LXDE uses less CPU and less
RAM than other environments. It is especially designed for cloud computers
with low hardware specifications, such as, netbooks, mobile devices (e.g.
MIDs) or older computers. LXDE can be installed with many Linux
distributions. It is the standard for Knoppix and lubuntu and it also runs
with  BSD. LXDE provides a fast desktop experience; connecting easily with
applications in the cloud and supporting a wealth of programs that can be
installed locally with Linux systems. The source code of LXDE is licensed
partly under the terms of the the General Public License and partly under the
LGPL. The website can be accessed under http://lxde.org.
About lubuntu
lubuntu was founded after a meeting with Mark Shuttleworth in Berlin during
the Ubuntu Developer Sprint in February 2009 (Source:
http://blog.lxde.org/?p=208). The desktop is currently among the top
distributions on the page rank hit on distrowatch
(http://distrowatch.com/index.php?dataspan=1).
Important Contributors
Julien Lavergne (Head of development lubuntu, France)
Hong Yen Jee aka PCMan (Head of LXDE project, Taiwan)
Mario Behling (lubuntu 

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: [lubuntu newsletter] lubuntu 10.10 released

2011-11-30 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset

  
  
El 30/11/11 13:15, 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) escribió:
WUT?
  
Exactly my reaction!!


  

  
  
  

  
  
  

  


  

  



  

  

  
  
  
  2011/11/30 Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset jpx...@gmail.com

   Got this a few hours
ago... any thoughts about it??

NOTE: LUBUNTU 10.10 !!

 Mensaje original 

  

  Asunto:
  
  [lubuntu newsletter] lubuntu 10.10 released


  Fecha:
  
  Wed, 30 Nov 2011 04:12:57 +


  De:
  
  lubuntu lubu...@lxde.org


   
  
  
  

  



 LUBUNTU 10.10 RELEASED  
--

Taipei/Berlin/Paris, Oct. 10, 2010: Following intensive development Julien
Lavergne, developement lead of lubuntu, announced version 10.10 of the
lightweight desktop on October 10, 2010. lubuntu is a faster, more
lightweight and energy saving Ubuntu variant using LXDE, the Lightweight X11
Desktop Environment. It includes a special selection of light applications
combining easy usability and performance.
lubuntu is targeted at "normal" PC users running on low-spec hardware.
Improvements of the latest lubuntu version include autologin support in
ubiquity, support of install only mode in ubiquity, support for
lubuntu-restricted package in ubiquity. lubuntu 10.10 comes with a completely
new theme by Rafael Laguna. Lxpanel now supports Ubuntu indicators applets.
Added applications and tools are Update-notifier, to get notification for
available updates, Xpad, to create quick notes and Ace-of-penguins, to
provide some games. Parcellite, which is not maintained upstream, was removed
and Pyneighborhood was replaced by gvfs support of pcmanfm. LXtask replaces
Xfce4-taskmanager for tasks monitoring. Evince is now used for reading PDF.
During new installations a slideshow now describes features of the system.
Minimum requirements for lubuntu are comparable to Pentium II or Celeron
systems with a 128 Mb RAM configuration, which may yield a slow yet usable
system with lubuntu.
lubuntu features lightweight design work, faster boot speed and a smart
choice of applications aimed at keeping resource usage low. The standard web
browser is Chromium, the open-source version of Google Chrome. Besides speed
the lubuntu team aims to offer the best possible compromise for new users
offering easy to use application.
While lubuntu is developed with the end user in mind, its lightweight
approach also makes it attractive to corporate users focusing on faster
completion of tasks. Applications included are Sylpheed as e-mail client,
Openbox as window manager, the file manager PCManFM, GPicView Image Viewer,
Transmission for Bittorrent, Gnumeric for spreadsheets and Abiword for word
processing. A new meta-package (lubuntu-core) is available to install only
core packages of Lubuntu.  A new meta-package (lubuntu-restricted-extras) is
available to install restricted packages for Lubuntu (such as flash, java and
extra codecs for chromium). Additional applications are available through the
packaging installation system Synaptic from Ubuntu repositories.
Features of lubuntu 10.10:
    * Faster boot speed through integration of lxdm, LXDE display manager
    * Low usage of system resources through Lightweight X11 Desktop
Environment
    * Lower energy-consumption
    * Access to software repository through Synaptic software manager
Images for press use are available on
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Marketing
Availability
lubuntu 10.10 is entirely free of charge available for download from
http://lubuntu.net.
Useful links:
* How to install lubuntu:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Install%20Lubuntu
* How to upgrade from Ubuntu to lubuntu:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp
About LXDE
LXDE, the "Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment" is an extremely
fast-performing and energy-saving desktop environment. Started by Hong Yen
Jee known under his nick name PCMan, in Taiwan in 2005, LXDE is today
maintained by an international community of developers. It comes with a
beautiful interface, multi-language support, standard keyboard short cuts and
additional features like tabbed file browsing. LXDE uses less CPU and less
RAM than other environments. It is especiall

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LxScreenshot update

2011-11-27 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset

Could exist an option to make lxscreenshot behave as before??
It was quite helpful to take a series of screenshots quickly :)

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

2011-11-19 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
I would like to do some tests with the latest ubuntu on my old amd-k6 (wich
runs Lubuntu 10.04 perfectly) but support for that CPU it's been dropped :(

Then again, it's NOT only for the people who have a voice here: it's the
users that have one of those pc wich want to use it and CAN'T

It's a shame that an OS intended for old hardware can't run on hardware
that can run it :(

EVEN if it's 5% of the target machines... 5% of a huge number is still a
huge number.

Plus, there's no modern OS that can run there...

OK, *maybe* some very oldl machines should be renewed... but there are
people without the capability of doing so.

AND i don't understand, the code is there... what's the benefit of cutting
it?

Just what i think about dropping support of any hardware.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

2011-11-18 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
Last year they dropped support for a lot of machines, now they will drop
for a lot more?
What are the exact benefits of dropping all of that?
Lubuntu is aimed to be fast, but it's able to resurrect those old hardware
so: what will be the the future for those old machines in the near future?
Support for those machines is NOT a waste of space or code, since Lubuntu
can handle them :)

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Some considerations about the Precise theme

2011-11-17 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset

 But you'll know that the wallpaper must be BLUE ;)

I would like to propose... Lubuntu going for *GREEN*!

Reasons?
- It goes a little more with the standart of efficient SO (this is
important since it's the OS that most fits with the planet :)
- It differencies us from Kubuntu  Xubuntu (also blue...) giving Lubuntu a
self image to the world (see! it's the 'green' ubuntu! - no man, it's
'lubuntu')

Could be a dark green, to match well with black  grey and make a
sober/cool look.

I know that for corporative reasons we should go for blue... BUT imho i
think that's a paradigm that must fall (ubuntu nor mac are blue!)

Just think about it and tell what you think!

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lxde-list] LXDE Forum

2011-11-11 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
Seeing it from Chile, with a fast connection... and it's slow!
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lxde-list] LXDE Forum

2011-11-11 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
Seeing it from Chile, with a fast connection... and it's slow!
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-08 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
2011/11/8 amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com

 Guys,

 I was wondering if someone has noticed that LXTask actually shows +100MB
 usage more than System Monitor and Conky so what is going on?
 I have System Monitor installed on Lubutnu 11.04 (was testing something)
 and Conky as well. While each of System Monitor (GNOME APP) and Conky are
 showing the same memory usage, LXTask add *100MB* to that.
 Example: System Monitor + Conky shows 287MB while Firefox Loaded with two
 tabs. On the other hand, LXTask shows 387MB.

 Any idea?


I have similar issue when lubuntu is installed alongside with ubuntu :/
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-08 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
I don't know if this is correct, but I'm a little concerned for if the
machines will support the test? We're talking about Pentium 3  4 and 256
to 512 ram.

Ps: Ali, on my new machine i have ubuntu with lubuntu-desktop installed...
readings of both monitors are different, that's what i was telling you :)
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
Proposal for browser benchmarks:

- First of all, run the browsers without any add-on
- Take starts time
- Watch lxtask for memory usage  cpu. Inside Chromium about:memory shows
the memory used by each browser running too. Htop?
- Watch the general behaviour
- Sites: youtube, gmail, google, facebook, ubuntu forums (each alone, by
groups of two, three, four and finally five - I don't think that old
machines could support easily more than 5 tabs opened!)

Let me know if this is enough, what else should be added or if i'm just
talking nonsenses here :P

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-05 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
If it's a vote... i would keep chromium. I always keep both browsers 
just in case, but my benchmarks on my old pentium 3 can't tell any 
real difference with just one tab opened. Start time, firefox seems a 
little bit slower to start.


I'll run some benchmarks in the next days in the following machine: 
1000mhz, 512ram (Pentium3).


Still, you should take a look at the dependencies too... my guess is 
that we should keep chromium in this case (i believe that firefox 
installs some nautilus stuff)


Ps: when it will be ready we could try Midori (it's the faster browser 
i can try on my old machine!). But really... when it will be *ready* to 
use!!


El 05-11-2011 11:11, James Gifford escribió:

I'm one of the target audiences for Lubuntu, mainly that of the
underpowered netbook user.

In my experience, Chromium is faster, until you start having a ton
(read: 4-10) tabs open. At that point, Firefox starts to be better.

Just my two cents.

Cheers,
James Gifford



On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Stefanoeco.st...@fastwebnet.it  wrote:

On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 15:47:26 +0100
A. Andjelkovicandjelko...@gmail.com  wrote:


I wanted to bring up the discussion about replacing Chromium with Firefox
in 12.04.
I'm not sure if this was discussed on UDS, but in my opinion, this is worth
looking into.

Firefox has reduced it's memory usage dramatically, and I'm currently
trying out Firefox 7 as a replacement.
I do not have detailed memory benchmarks (yet!), but I will definitely do
some benchmarks in the near future.
However, I'm pretty sure Firefox has better (lower) memory usage when
having several tabs open (more than 3).

Other reasons to switch:
GTK3
Better desktop integration (Chromium themeing is limited and hard to
include as default)

What do you guys think?

+1, i love firefox, chromium is too much for dummies ;-)
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-05 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
In fact Midori is lighweight... but it crash just too often. That's what i
mean by ready to use

2011/11/5 James Gifford ja...@jamesrgifford.com

 In fact, if we were really looking for a lightweight browser, might I
 suggest Midori?[1] It's a Webkit based browser, very lightweight on
 CPU/RAM.

 Cheers,
 James Gifford

 [1] https://launchpad.net/midori


 On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Hùng Trần nguyentieu...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hi,
 
  I prefer Chromium, it's good on old machine. Firefox is almost useless
 on my
  256MB RAM laptop.
 
  Regards,
  TRẦN Duy Hùng
  http://www.nguyentieuhau.com/
 
 
  On 5 November 2011 22:11, James Gifford ja...@jamesrgifford.com wrote:
 
  I'm one of the target audiences for Lubuntu, mainly that of the
  underpowered netbook user.
 
  In my experience, Chromium is faster, until you start having a ton
  (read: 4-10) tabs open. At that point, Firefox starts to be better.
 
  Just my two cents.
 
  Cheers,
  James Gifford
 
 
 
  On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Stefano eco.st...@fastwebnet.it
 wrote:
   On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 15:47:26 +0100
   A. Andjelkovic andjelko...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   I wanted to bring up the discussion about replacing Chromium with
   Firefox
   in 12.04.
   I'm not sure if this was discussed on UDS, but in my opinion, this is
   worth
   looking into.
  
   Firefox has reduced it's memory usage dramatically, and I'm currently
   trying out Firefox 7 as a replacement.
   I do not have detailed memory benchmarks (yet!), but I will
 definitely
   do
   some benchmarks in the near future.
   However, I'm pretty sure Firefox has better (lower) memory usage when
   having several tabs open (more than 3).
  
   Other reasons to switch:
   GTK3
   Better desktop integration (Chromium themeing is limited and hard to
   include as default)
  
   What do you guys think?
  
   +1, i love firefox, chromium is too much for dummies ;-)
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-05 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset

Arora is QT based... so i don't think lubuntu will ever adopt it :(

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Virtual Keyboard ?

2011-10-25 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
Here's the output of sudo apt-get install xvkbd:

The following extra packages will be installed:
  xaw3dg
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  xaw3dg xvkbd
0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 239 kB of archives.
After this operation, 840 kB of additional disk space will be used.

Task manager says the consumption is about 2,1 MB of RAM :)

Maybe it could be included in 12.04 ??

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Virtual Keyboard ?

2011-10-24 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
Hi. Is there any plans to include a virtual keyboard for tablets and
similars?
Would be very nice.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] System won't boot in 11.10

2011-10-15 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
2011/10/15 Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com

 Le 10/14/2011 08:00 PM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset a écrit :
  Sorry, sudo start lxdm says lxdm/running, process 3228
  Here's a brief of what startx sends:
  (EE) failed to load module fglrx (module does not exist, 0)
  (II) [KMS] drm report modesetting isn't supported
  (EE) Radeon(0): Chipset: SUMO (ChipID=0x9641) requires KMS
  (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration
  Fatal server error: no screens found.
 Could you try to boot again the Live-CD, press F6 on the splash screen,
 check nomodeset, and boot ?


The results above are the product of this:
- start the livecd with nomodeset checked
- typing startx in the line commands (X doesn't load :( )

Should I create a bug in X? graphic drivers? where...?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] System won't boot in 11.10

2011-10-15 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset

 First of all tell us if it is a installed system or a live cd.

It is a live CD, i'm not able to install Lubuntu (nor Ubuntu) on that
machine (on my other 4 machines it works :)

 Because when its a live cd than its definitely a bug, because it should not
 even try to load fglrx as it is proprietary and needs to be installed with
 jockey-gtk.

Strange in deed!

 Please also take a look into /var/log/Xorg.0.log and tell us whats in
 there.

Pieces of that:
(EE) failed to load module fglrx (module does not exist, 0)
(II) [KMS] drm report modesetting isn't supported
(EE) Radeon(0): Chipset: SUMO (ChipID=0x9641) requires KMS
(EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration
Fatal server error: no screens found.

 You also need the output of that file if you want to report an error.

I'll take a look at the commands to send the log file to a flash drive and
send it here  :) (Maybe I'll need some help with that...)


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 11.10 Experience

2011-10-15 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
Well, here's my apreciation:

the performance has taken a significant hit.

My old laptop (PIII with 256MB Ram) was suffering with the ram consumtion in
11.04 (starting the system hits the 120MB of Ram). So, i've installed 11.10
and oh surprise! with pidgin and xpad running the consumption is less than
80MB of Ram!!  (74 to be exact). Opening Chromium and the Ram is in 115 -
less than 11.04 running alone.

 IMO, 11.10 boots slower

Can't agree, since the boot for me is incredibly fast (less than 30
seconds). But i've read that 11.10 in general boots slower than previous
releases, so it's not a lubuntu-only problem.

seems to lag on any screen click

Maybe you should try to change the theme :)
I'm very sorry to tell, but there's something with the theme in this release
too, that makes the flying over menus a little hard. I've switch to
clearlooks and gained a little of speed. The perfect example is to use
mtpaint with the default theme... it's quite a pain.

Takes longer to launch applications

Can't see any real difference there.

I must agree with Rob that the whole system seems to be slow (i'm comparing
it to 10.04 that on my old laptop was fast as the lightning) , even if the
Ram consumption has became less than ever. But i'm testing it on a more than
10 years old piece of hardware!

But hey Rob, just try the other flavors of ubuntu... Ubuntu barelly runs on
my other machines (lots newer than my old laptop).
So I'm guessing that Lubuntu gets his job done: it's the fastest *buntu in
the market :)

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] System won't boot in 11.10

2011-10-14 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset

El 14-10-2011 7:15, Andrew Woodhead escribió:



On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset 
jpx...@gmail.com mailto:jpx...@gmail.com wrote:


The screen turns off after showing the menu try lubuntu,
install lubuntu, ...


What GPU do you use?
Did you MD5 test the ISO you burned and did you burn as slowly as
possible?


The MD5 test is correct on both Lubuntu  Ubuntu discs, both
burned as slowly as possible. The hardware is a quad core with
dual graphics (i know is far from lubuntu target, but i love
lubuntu... what can i do!) an A8 AMD with an AMD Radeon HD 6620G.
In 11.04 it works... :'(


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Oh one of those Intel + Ati things?


A Samung to be exact, the model is 305V4A/305V5A (it came to replace my 
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Time of this report: 10/14/2011, 07:54:12
   Machine name: 
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   System Model: 305V4A/305V5A
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DDI Version: 11
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   Driver Date/Size: 5/26/2011 16:13:28, 790016 bytes
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] System won't boot in 11.10

2011-10-14 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset

El 14-10-2011 11:40, Julien Lavergne escribió:

Le 10/14/2011 03:55 PM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset a écrit :

Lance: thank you! after setting the boot with nomodeset at last i
see my Lubuntu splashcreen (even if it's the plymouth text-mode).
No errors were found when checking the disk for deffects...

Now i see ubuntu@ubuntu:-$ and type sudo lxdm to start the session
and it doesn't work... in the other machines i tried this it does...

Oh, i forgot to say i'm using the 64bit version.

Hum, it seems that the graphical card have a problem with modesetting
(good catch Lance :)).
But at least you should be able to start with sudo start lxdm. Any
errors when running this command ?
Or could you try startx to see if the session start ?

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

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Yeah, the first command (sudo start lxdm) says that lxdm is already running.
startx sends to me a lot of things, saying that X can't start, that 
DKMS something or I don't know... the log is stored in somewhere but 
since it's terminal i don't know how to extract that file.


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[Lubuntu-desktop] System won't boot in 11.10

2011-10-13 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset

I'm really sorry for starting the bad news.
I have a NP305V4A-S01 and in 11.04 it worked... now in 11.10 i can't 
even see the Lubuntu (plymouth); the screen just turns off but it 
seems that everything is still running.
I tried the same CD in other machines and everything works perfect (i 
have to type sudo lxdm though).
The good news is that after that i tried to install Ubuntu and didn't 
worked neither...

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] System won't boot in 11.10

2011-10-13 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
2011/10/13 Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com

 Le 10/13/2011 06:00 PM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset a écrit :
  I'm really sorry for starting the bad news.
  I have a NP305V4A-S01 and in 11.04 it worked... now in 11.10 i can't
  even see the Lubuntu (plymouth); the screen just turns off but it
  seems that everything is still running.
 You mean the ISO doesn't boot, or the system installed doesn't boot ? Do
 you try to install with an alternate ISO ?

 Regards,
 Julien Lavergne


The screen turns off after showing the menu try lubuntu, install lubuntu,
...
This problems affects at least the ISO (don't know if the installed system
behave like this since i can't install it).
The same disk works since i'm using it in another machine with the livecd :)
(tested in three machines total)
The Ubuntu disk behaves exactly the same way. Driver problem?


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Extend desktop across dual monitors -- a feature I would like to see in Lubuntu 12.xx

2011-10-07 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 12:13 AM, PCMan pcman...@gmail.com 
mailto:pcman...@gmail.com wrote:


Multi-monitor support is a long standing issue.
Here I'd like to ask everyone.
How should a muli-monior desktop bahave?
For the desktop panel:
1. one panel per monitor, configured separately
2. one panel exending to the external monitor
3. one panel staying on main monitor, no panel on the external one
4. one panel exending to the external monitor, but have the most
important panel applets on the main monitor, and the rest on the
external monitor
5. Other possibilities...
For the desktop icons manager, options are:
1. icons on main monitor only.
2. some icons on main monitor, others on the external monitors.
(Then how to handle icon rearrangement when the external monitor
is disconnected?)
3. others...
For wallpaper:
1. one wallpaper per monitor
2. one wallpaper extending to all monitors
3. others...



I woud vote for:
-  one panel staying on main monitor, no panel on the external one
-  icons on main monitor only.
-  for the wallpaper i think this should be configurable, but blank by 
default


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Use xcompmgr in Lubuntu

2011-09-18 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
I did some adventuring with xcompmgr too a while ago, and it was almost like
if it was not there with the apropriate configuration (on a 730mhz machine
with 512 ram) but when i watched the log, just like rafael said, there was a
lot of bugs, plus chromium doesn't like this app at all last time i checked.
Searching a little bit i can confirm (2 months ago) xcompmgr is not
maintained since long time.

And for using a composite manager we need a nice front-end for configuring
 it. It's very difficult for newcomers open a terminal and type commands.
 This is too geek :)

It's a good idea to use this, but Rafael is right :/


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Audio Conf for Lubuntu

2011-09-12 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
2011/9/11 Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset jpx...@gmail.com

 I've added the PPA for LXPanel made by Julien, but still it haven't
 upgraded...


Oh i see now... LXPanel it's not there for natty :P
How can I install it under Natty? I add the PPA but instead of Natty i add
Oneiric??

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Audio Conf for Lubuntu

2011-09-11 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
2011/9/11 Stefano eco.st...@fastwebnet.it

 Only one info, does lubuntu use alsa or pulseaudio?

Alsa :)

Been trying Gamix for some minutes, and at first sight is allright, but now
i can't get anything to work (go to config and you'll see).

I've added the PPA for LXPanel made by Julien, but still it haven't
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Audio Conf for Lubuntu

2011-09-08 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
I know we are pass the freeze, but maybe this shortcut could be added to
preferences menu for 11.10. I think for a lot of people it's useful to
control the mic and all that stuff in alsamixer. Plus, there's nothing to
add but this little shortcut :)
And maybe there's a way to show lxterminal without the menus???


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Audio Conf for Lubuntu

2011-09-08 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
2011/9/8 Tim Bernhard ohiom...@gmail.com

 I agree.  A link to sound preferences makes sense.
 The only issues I see are 1) alsamixer is not very intuitive and 2) it
 dumps users into a terminal which might scare the crap out of many of them.
 :)


Completely agree that a terminal app scares a lot of people, but in
particular this one it's more friendly than it seems. In the interest of
making it more friendly i asked for how to show lxterminal without the menus
:)
And meanwhile we have nothing to do this job, alsamixer it's the best
candidate (as it's already in Lubuntu!). Maybe if there's time, the sound
applet could be connected to it somehow... but that's another story.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Audio Conf for Lubuntu

2011-09-08 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
xterm gets the effect wanted!!

2011/9/8 Leszek Lesner leszek.les...@web.de

 ohiom...@gmail.com

 I agree.  A link to sound preferences makes sense.
 The only issues I see are 1) alsamixer is not very intuitive and 2) it
 dumps users into a terminal which might scare the crap out of many of them.
 :)


 Completely agree that a terminal app scares a lot of people, but in
 particular this one it's more friendly than it seems. In the interest of
 making it more friendly i asked for how to show lxterminal without the menus
 :)
 And meanwhile we have nothing to do this job, alsamixer it's the best
 candidate (as it's already in Lubuntu!). Maybe if there's time, the sound
 applet could be connected to it somehow... but that's another story.

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 I think an easy shell script writing the don't show menubar in the config
 for executing alsamixer should do the trick. Another way would be executing
 alsamixer in xterm instead of lxterminal




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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LSC news

2011-08-25 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset

 If you just want to test it, you just need to download the branch (bzr
 branch lp:lubuntu-software-center), and launch it (python
 lubuntu-software-center).


Terminal output:
bzr: ERROR: Invalid http response for
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~stephen-smally/lubuntu-software-center/trunk/.bzr/repository/indices/f967347238cd3d1952abaa85a72c25f6.rix:
Missing the Content-Range header in a 206 range response

Still thinking that a PPA is the best.

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Thoughts from 8.10

2011-08-25 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
Hi people.
Has any one tried an old ubuntu lately? lets say for example 8.10? Its damn
fast!
Don't understand why from there (here in my case) Ubuntu is demanding so
many resources... i imagine 8.10 versioned as Lubuntu: it would be
awesome!
For starts, the theme (Human) renders very fast and apps open quite fast
too: there's the old add/remove applications that renders quite well too
(maybe its worth a look at the code for LSC?) and in general it behaves
quite smooth.
I'm just saying: this old OS works very fast, and I really don't know why...
but maybe the Lubuntu devs could have an explanation for it and maybe
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lubuntu-Desktop] Sound Editing Software

2011-08-21 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
2011/8/17 Tim Bernhard ohiom...@gmail.com

 I've had to adjust the mic balance in alsamixer to get the mic working on
 my last few laptops.  Seems to be a bug were both channels can't be at full
 volume.  It's pretty common for people trying to use Skpe with
 Acer/Gateway/Packard Bell laptops needing to do this.  A quick internet
 search might help.

 Also, there is a toggle in alsamixer to turn lines on and off.  I think it
 worked with my hardware.

 I know it's just a workaround.  Sorry I can't be of more help.

 Tim


Thanks Tim, i've take a look at it but finally it seems that it's something
with Lubuntu + Pulseaudio (or just pulseaudio?)... removing pulseaudio makes
audacity to work again and the levels can be set to 100% again.

Ps: does anyone have a clue why if i install pulseaudio the sound of
everything in my laptop is better?

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[Lubuntu-desktop] [Lubuntu-Desktop] Integrate Catfish?

2011-08-20 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
Been trying catfish for some days, it's not fully operational (opening
folders with go to) but lubuntu needs an app like this. Xubuntu use this:
why not Lubuntu too?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lubuntu-Desktop] Integrate Catfish?

2011-08-20 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset

 What is the resource usage? What is the installed size of it + it's deps?

Suggested : strigi-daemon doodle tracker beagle
Recommended : slocate
Will be installed: catfish (32,3 ko)
Installed, is 393 ko.

For me catfish requires 22MB Ram to run (+- while it's searching). I think
that is a little elevated BUT Lubuntu doesn't have anything that can search
files and IMHO it's something needed, and besides it's not an app that will
run forever: people will search and find and that's it for catfish.
The app it's behaving well here on a pentium 3 (1000mhz).
Plus, since Xubuntu uses it too, maybe in the near future a team
l+x*ubuntu could help to improve it... just ideas!

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] About GPicView

2011-08-18 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
2011/8/18 PCMan pcman...@gmail.com

 Please try Viewnior before making comments. It's better than GPicView in
 many ways.

Except in Ram consumption: for the same picture (very small one) i have 8,8
for gpic and 13,6 for viewnior. Other than that, i'm lliking it so far :)

 Though I don't like to drop my own program and use others', I see no reason
 not to use it because it's indeed superior than mine. Even better, it's
 desktop independent.

For Set as Wallpaper doesn't work here on Lubuntu 11.04

 Please give it a try and give me some feedback.
 Developing another one with XFCE devs is not needed. I see no reason to do
 so.

Maybe not needed, but if the light desktops could join in some projects,
*maybe* things will be easier.

 Viewnior is good enough for this. If it's not, I'm sure that several
 patches will be enough.

Does this mean that viewnior will be adopted by lxde?? That would be nice!


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] About GPicView

2011-08-18 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
Sorry i haven't said this: +1 for Viewnior
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[Lubuntu-desktop] [Lubuntu-Desktop] Sound Editing Software

2011-08-16 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
Hi.

In Lubuntu 10.04 i was able to run Audacity and Jokosher for record
guitar+voice. Today Lubuntu let me down with those two programs!! Can't
record a single sound with the microphone!! Am I the only one experiencing
this? (in mswin it works, so it's not a hardware problem / the programs used
to work in previous kernels so i doubt that it can be a driver problem since
my laptop is pretty old)

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lubuntu-Desktop] Mousepad Problem

2011-07-31 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
The behaviour of Ubuntu 11.04 for the mousepad of my laptop is the same as
described for 10.04 - so, it seems that this is a Lubuntu specific
configuration. It would be great if someone culd get a look at it to make it
work again :)

2011/7/18 Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset jpx...@gmail.com

 Hi guys:

 Back in 10.04 when i made a click with two fingers on the mousepad, it used
 to activate the right button of the mouse, now it acts like the center
 button. I believe this is a X.Org configuration since this happent in 10.04
 when i added xorg-edgers ppa. I tried to change this with
 gpointing-device-settings but can't make it working like i want. Has anybody
 any ideas of how i can make it work like before? (my right button is broken
 :/ and i don't like the idea of carrying a usb mouse everywhere :/ )

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Can be lubuntu software center good thing?

2011-07-29 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
2011/7/29 Stefano eco.st...@fastwebnet.it

 This mean, for example, hide the libs or other not-app packages by default?


Exactly! It must make the difference between packages and applications
for it to be user-friendly :)
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[Lubuntu-desktop] [Lubuntu-Desktop] Taskbar

2011-07-23 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
Hi:

There's a little problem with the taskbar: putting it above the screen makes
something going wrong with the alignement and the size of things there...
backing it to its normal position and that problem is still there (didn't
see it before).

It's not deal breaker, but anyways i report it.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Mouse and Keyboard control problem

2011-07-20 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
2011/7/19 Lee Gold leeg...@operamail.com

 Hey, lots of people use laptops with Synaptic touchpads - there should
 really be stable native support to config it in Lubuntu.


I think this could be a good idea. Including gpointing-device-settings or a
similar could improve Lubuntu greatly :)

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[Lubuntu-desktop] [Lubuntu-Desktop] Mousepad Problem

2011-07-18 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
Hi guys:

Back in 10.04 when i made a click with two fingers on the mousepad, it used
to activate the right button of the mouse, now it acts like the center
button. I believe this is a X.Org configuration since this happent in 10.04
when i added xorg-edgers ppa. I tried to change this with
gpointing-device-settings but can't make it working like i want. Has anybody
any ideas of how i can make it work like before? (my right button is broken
:/ and i don't like the idea of carrying a usb mouse everywhere :/ )

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[Lubuntu-desktop] [Lubuntu-Desktop] Good news

2011-07-17 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
Don't know if this has been pointed on the mail list:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/SystemRequirements

Just check the Lightweight GUI alternative section :)

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Wine 1.3 and other apps installed not showing up in menu

2011-07-16 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
For Wine at least, try this two things:
- Open a .exe file with wine, Wine will configure itself and after that the
submenu Wine should be there
- If not, log out + lon in and the trick should be done

2011/7/16 Lee Gold leeg...@operamail.com

 Hi,

 Using Lubuntu 11.04. Installed Wine 1.3 and it does not show up in the
 menu. Also installed Xfce Clipman and it does not show up too. What is
 the fix? Some installs (via Synaptic) show and some don't.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Feedback after Lubuntu live test

2011-07-15 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
Hi Theodor:

I wasn't able too to run the live-cd in every machine i tried, but in the
machines that the live-cd didn't started, i was seeing the terminal: simply
typed lxdm and lubuntu started... try that :)
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[Lubuntu-desktop] pcmanfm memory leak?

2011-07-07 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
Hi:

Could someone confirm this leak on 11.04? try to copy 2gb to a usb mass
storage connected to your laptop through a pcmcia card (everything is 2.0).
I tried it yesterday and i was able to do absolutly nothing while the files
were being copied. Before and after that, everything runned normally.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] 700 mhz laptop with 256 ram running lubuntu

2011-07-04 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset

 my daughters boyfriend has a 700 mhz compaq laptop with 256 ram running
 lubuntu can anyone go lower than that


My main machine before the hardware upgrade was like that one. After an
upgrade to that laptop, i enjoyed time to install Lubuntu on an old Pentium
2 (266Mhz  256Ram) and on a AMD-K6 100MHZ * 5.5X with the same Ram. Every
install was made painless without any hack or weird stuff.

Results? (for Lubuntu 10.04)

   - My Laptop runs better than ever (really, is like having a powerfull
   machine :)
   - The Pentium 2 runs quite nice (just a little bit slower than Windows 98
   on the same machine :)
   - The AMD-K6 runs functionally, much slower than Win98 on the same
   machine though... i think it's due to it's video card (Sis 530 of 2Mb)
   (Note: in this machine, i've been able to run a system with 52Mb Ram used :)

I have one machine more to make it run: a Pentium 1 laptop, 166Mhz (or
less...)  24Mb Ram... the day i could use anything else than Win98 on that,
i will be the happiest man in the world, and i'm hoping that one day Lubuntu
could make that possible since it's (from far) my favourite distro :) (and
the more lightweight  complete  functional out there)

Question to the devs: do you *think* that maybe one day the optimizations
could make a nice and usable system (say Lubuntu) running with the
requeriments that Win98 did? I'm talking about less that 150Mhz and less
than 50Mb Ram...

Hope it offenses no one that i'm comparing Lubuntu requeriments with Win98
ones...
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] ozone2 updates

2011-06-29 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
My vote:
Personally i prefer the Colourful with
bubbleshttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Artwork/Incoming/Oneiric/Ozone?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=wallpaper_bubbles.png
,
the other one looks quite for old people :)
I prefer the bright bar, since the panel should match with the windows
theme, dark systems it's not what i prefer :/

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Hmm, does any of this affect us?

2011-06-24 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset

 This is a non-issue for Lubuntu, as far as I can see.


Maybe the concern about this should be focus on the future of the app. Will
it still be well supported now that's off from Ubuntu?

Just how i see the problem for Lubuntu.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] ubiquity slideshow

2011-06-21 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
2011/6/21 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) rafaellag...@gmail.com

 Did you ever installed Lubuntu recently and see that installer shows bad
 the slides? In my case the slides that appears out of position are chat,
 e-mail, get help and lxde-based (total 4).

 If anybody has this problem I'll possibly make a bug about this.

 Thank you.



Rafael:

I installed Lubuntu 11.04 yesterday (a few hours ago really) and there was
nothing strange in the slides i could tell.
What i did miss was in the multimedia slide a little talk about audacious
(not only gnome-mplayer).


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[Lubuntu-desktop] Good 3g news

2011-06-21 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
Everybody:

For quite a time now, i've been stucked with Ubuntu to get to work my 3g
modems (in a very weird way i must say). Good news for 11.04: Lubuntu handle
my 3 usb modems flawlessly right after pluggin them, without any weird stuff
and set them correctly!!
Hope more happy users are having this experience :)

Thanks Lubuntu/Linux team/devs!

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Resources on 11.04

2011-06-21 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
Devs:

Recently installed 11.04 and i'm surprised by the RAM and CPU% consumed by
Lubuntu in this release (I was keeping my main machine with 10.04 but
decided to change to be able to help a little more).
Back in 10.04 my ram consumption was below 75MB... now the system starts
above 100MB / the CPU was always below 10%... now is almost all the time at
30%.
Everything is faster, scrolls are better, the theme renders nicely (thanks
Rafael), pcmanfm work very well... but as far as i understand, if lubuntu is
a distro intended for low spec hardware (and for old machines) normally the
ram consumption should be decreasing over the releases... not the opposite.

Just my point of view.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Resources on 11.04

2011-06-21 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
2011/6/21 Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com

 Le Tuesday 21 June 2011 à 12:01 -0400, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset a
 écrit :
 About CPU usage, there is a bug in the theme, which cause more CPU usage
 than expected (see
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-artwork/+bug/776776)
 You can try to use the LXDesign theme in the meantime, the CPU usage
 should go back to the normal.

 Regards,
 Julien Lavergne


Changed the theme (a shame) and cpu is back to normal, thanks Julien.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Resources on 11.04

2011-06-21 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset

  Back in 10.04 my ram consumption was below 75MB... now the system starts
 above 100MB



 Since 10.04, we add more features, and it probably takes more ressources than
 expected. For example, we lost 10 Mb of RAM for update-notifier


Oh, i forgot to say that i was aware of update-notifier, and the resources
consumption i was telling you before are without this app running (removed
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Missing configuration programs

2011-06-19 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset

 But now I'm lacking some shortcut editor.

Me too...

Multimediakey support is integrated already.

Sorry about it, didn't tried since i'm staying with 10.04 - tried 11.04
though, but only volume worked... pause, play, etc didn't worked as they do
in Ubuntu __ i just tried the live cd, maybe it has something to do with
that?

Also speaking about Missing configuration programs, i've tried to change
in lxkeymap the keyboard map and didn't work. First my keyboard was es and
tried to change to cl (or anything else), didn't work: next reboot tried
from us to any map and nothing. Maybe this is a bug from the live cd and
it disapears when the OS is installed? Can someone confirm it?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Missing configuration programs

2011-06-19 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset

 Multimediakeys Play, Pause , etc. need support in the music player itself.
 I
 think Audacious has support for it, but its disabled in the default
 audacious
 configuration. I don't know about gnome-mplayer support for this.



 lxkeymap / I cannot confirm this. Switching keymap works like a charm here.



(Sorry for the bad writing, i cant find the characters!)
Im trying with another machine and theres no way lxkeymap can change my
keyboard map on the live cd...

For the multimedia keys, in Audacious preferences, Plugins, General, Global
Hotkey should be enabled by default, its a nice feature and not everybody
will say {oh, i must enable it}, most of people will just think that it
doesnt work. Once checked, multimedia keys work great.
In GnomeMplayer multimedia keys are set, but when playing a file and push
pause makes the button to highlight but just that, it doesnt pause.

Another missing configuration that should be enabled by default is chromium
with the gtk theme of lubuntu.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Missing configuration programs

2011-06-18 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
2011/6/18 Leszek Lesner leszek.les...@web.de

 Am 18.06.2011 11:16, schrieb Filip Dominec:
  Hi, I am missing several important programs for user settings (e. g.
  keyboard shortcuts, startup applications, keyboard layouts switching or
  sound channels volumes). In the ideal case these programs could be
  similar to that in Gnome 2, maybe we could just copy some. Is there any
  work in progress on this?
  Filip Dominec
 
 
 For keyboard shortcuts I normally edit the openbox configuration file,
 but you are right a graphical tool would be helpful here.
 For startup applications you can go to the menu - preferences -
 desktop session settings.
 Keyboard layout switching can be done with lxkeymap.
 Sound volume can be changed with the tray icon in the panel.
 Those applications are already included.

 A soundmixer gui like alsamixergui or a gnome-alsamixer would be nice to
 integrate. (despite the name gnome-alsamixer has not lot of dependencies)


When could something be done about multimedia keys??


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Leafpad Vs gEdit

2011-06-18 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
I'm with Yorvik at this, no way Gedit can replace Leafpad in my old
machines!

2011/6/18 Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com

 While I love gEdit for Python or editing .po files, with it's highlighting,
 auto indenting etc. it does need quite a bit of CPU/RAM and is overkill for
 editing small config files, scripts, etc.  Stick with Leafpad, simple clean,
 no mess.
  --
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Pidgin XChat

2011-06-18 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
2011/6/18 Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com

 Le Saturday 18 June 2011 à 19:20 +0100, Yorvyk a écrit :
  No point in having two applications doing the same thing so drop
  XChat.

... having 2 programs which do the same thing is usually a bad idea
 for a default install.

 Regards,
 Julien Lavergne


Agree with the chief.

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Key 'super' (win logo) support

2011-06-16 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
People:

Some time ago i suggested to use the 'super' key (or 'win logo') to activate
the menu in lxmenu. The idea seemed to be good but somebody said that in
openbox it wasn't supported to do that.
Well, i posted a suggestion and this is what they told me:

Subject: [Bug 4791] Key 'super' (win logo) support
  
 https://bugzilla.icculus.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4791https://bugzilla.icculus.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4791
 for touch only key 'super' use Super_L or Super_R in keybind key=
 if don't work use xev to determine keycode or keyname


Hope it can work as a default for 11.10!


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Key 'super' (win logo) support

2011-06-16 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
Could at least be listed in todo? it's a feature that a couple of people
that i showed lubuntu said it would be cool if...

2011/6/16 Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com

 Le Thursday 16 June 2011 à 16:56 -0400, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset a
 écrit :
   https://bugzilla.icculus.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4791
  for touch only key 'super' use Super_L or Super_R in keybind
  key=
  if don't work use xev to determine keycode or keyname
 

 Thanks for the information. However, I think we lack a command to
 actually show the menu :-/ As far as I know, only a click on the menu
 show the menu. We need this feature before using the keybind for
 Super_*.

 Regards,
 Julien Lavergne

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Proposed changes to lubuntu-desktop

2011-06-08 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
Gedit -1, way too slow on my old machines. (P3 and below)

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Proposed changes to lubuntu-desktop

2011-06-07 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
From a very-humble user point of view:

I use Libre Office + Gnumeric (Abiword can't convince me). As i read
recently, Libre Office is getting performance improvements, but the problem
is still the ram consumption vs the ram used by abiword (i use LO for writer
and slideshows, but gnumeric is a magnificient tool), LO is an option? It
could bring a slideshow editor to Lubuntu... Let individually decide but my
guess is that Lubuntu should remain with abiword  gnumeric for the concept.
Midori: in many ways it could be best than chromium, but as PCMAN said, it's
not stable at all .
Games: ace of penguins is faster than anything, but they're not cool at
all. Everybody i've shown this says something like looks ugly, how can i
configure it?. There's nothing better around?
PDF viewers: i'm with Rafael on this, Evince is the best choice there is
(besides, it can read a lot of formats, not only pdf ;)

xscreensaver makes my installations crash on every old computer i own, i
already said this on the mailing list: it's heavy and it consumes energy
displaying something fancy on the screen instead of just a black screen or
turn it off (clearly i don't like it...); but it locks the screen, so it's
necessary.
xchat as i know is on discussion as i read recently... Pidgin would be the
option.

That's my two cents :)


2011/6/7 Tim Bernhard ohiom...@gmail.com

 I understand that it's a standard to have games, but the ones we have
 look worse than anything I've seen since DOS days!  I think they sort of
 bring the overall feel of the distro down, but I'm guessing  they are really
 lightweight.  I don't really care one way or the other so whatever works for
 you guys if fine by me.  I really like the way everything else looks and
 functions and I never play the games anyway.


 2011/6/7 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) rafaellag...@gmail.com

  Well, it was a long discussion about this last time. I don't play at all,
 but I must admit that theye're needed. Every distributon has a few games, at
 least a Solitaire or something like that (kinda office spending time [image:
 :D] ). Maybe we need to talk about changing them, choosing another
 meta-package or individual ones.


 The included applications poll started. Again.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] IRC Client

2011-05-28 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
IMHO having two programs that one fit in the other is a waste of space in
the CD and effort for the Lubuntu devs. Pidgin can handle what xchat does...
and for the specifics, xchat will always be installable.
Honestly, i personally (in person) don't know anybody that uses x-chat.

Just some thoughts.

2011/5/28 Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm

 On 05/28/2011 05:34 PM, Phill Whiteside wrote:

  wasting RAm actually referred to having x-chat and pidgin both running
  together... x-chat does IRC fanatastically, but is not too good at MSN
  messenger, AOL / AIM, Yahoo! etc :)

 OK.  So the fix for that is simple: don't do that, unless you have
 enough RAM to spare :)

 No change to Lubuntu needed :)

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: [ubuntu-uk] Ask Mark session

2011-05-04 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
Lubunteers:

Hearing those news is just awesome!!

May I ask just one silly question? (and excuse me for doing it): What
Lubuntu (or the team) will gain by becoming an official part of the family?

It's just that i don't exactly know ...

Congratulations again to the team :)

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] system requirements (workaround created!)

2011-05-02 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
2011/5/2 Jeremy Bicha jer...@bicha.net

 Be careful about how low you set the number. It can make it difficult
 to install any additional software and likely more worrying, it can be
 impossible to upgrade if there is not space to download and unpack the
 updates.


I think that the important thing for an old computer (i don't think that
this problem could exist on new hardware) is to be able tu run some office
apps, surf the internet and be able to be a stable post; this said, i don't
think that for that would be required a Lubuntu-very-hard apps modification
(the selection of apps for this is perfect).
In my experience i leave in my laptop a 6gb partition for the system and it
runs just fine (with 4gb free, sort of). But i have very different apps for
lubuntu, and i'm always erasing old kernels and cleaning app data for
install (just because i don't like junk being around).
Conclude yourselves.

Ps: is there a way to launch periodiquelly sudo apt-get clean on lubuntu?
also why it keep all the kernels? that's tones of hard disk space for a
little hard drive... maybe lubuntu should have a way to do a little cleaning
:)

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Any major must fix before Beta issues left in Lubuntu?

2011-03-30 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset

  Unfortunately, it will be very difficult to reduce the memory footprint
  of the installer for 11.04.

 The other question this poses is, is it really necessary to have a
 graphical installer as the default for Lubuntu?


Some time ago, there was a question on the mailing list What do you expect
from Lubuntu and i think that a very important point is it will go where
Ubuntu can't or something like that.
A graphical installer is something that we do only one time (in theory) so
if it's a little ugly (text) IMHO i don't see the problem.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] ozone theme

2011-02-28 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
Rafael:

For the round corners of the logout box, what if i change the gtk theme?? It
will stick with that color and won't match with my color scheme :S
I think that those corners should be as always just for those who like to
change colors from time to time... :)

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Audio players - some thoughts RFC

2011-02-27 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
2011/2/27 Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com

 Basically this would involve everybody using the same music to carry out
 the measurements and also reporting the hardware used.


Couldn't be more agree with you: a standard test to make the decision would
be perfect to take a decision (and for everything should be this way)
Yorvyk, let me know if you need a hand since i'm very interested on this.
The decision about the files to play will be a funny thing i guess :)
Also, i think that a huge load of files (10.000+) it's an excessive task for
the machines that Lubuntu is made for... but not something unfeasible :)

So, first propositions:
- Check App dependencies
- Check Kb used by the packages
- It must be in the repos
- Results should be taken from HTOP
- CPU + RAM must be verified before, during and after the test
- Tests must be made with the same files: an assortment of extensions 
bitrates

This said, wich will be the version of Audacious in 11.04??

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Default launchers on panel

2011-02-26 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
2011/2/26 Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com

 I've installed Lubuntu for a couple of novice users recently and. among
 numerous other questions, one that was asked, and has been asked by windows
 users as well, is what use is 'minimise all windows '.  I have no idea as I
 always remove it.  This brought me to the question of what launchers should
 be there.  The most common ones that people place on the panel are web
 browser and mail client, this appears true for any OS that uses a similar
 system.  The next most popular one is a file manager then word processor.
  After showing a few people the Directory Menu they seem to prefer it to
 going direct to PCManFM, I know I do.  So my suggestion is, we have
 Directory Menu, Chromium and Sylpheed as the default launchers on the panel.

 RFC

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I'm agree with Yorvik in most cases, but instead of removing the minimize
all windows button, improve it: minimize AND resize all windows, just like
in XP and Ubuntu.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Pidgin Suggestion

2011-02-26 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
Finally understood what you mean:
Those packages affect every libnotify action! And i must say they get way
nicer... wich process should i check to see if it's heavier than before??

2011/2/25 Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset jpx...@gmail.com

 2011/2/25 Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com

  Le jeudi 24 février 2011 à 23:32 -0300, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset a
 écrit :
  Can't really tell any difference... so i ran pidgin with and without
  it and there's no difference seeing it with xfce4-taskmanager

 It's more about the visual between the 2 notifications. I suspect we
 have the same with or without this plugin install.


 Sorry, i think i'm missing something (english problems), but Pidgin doesn't
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Audio players

2011-02-26 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
Mike:

2011/2/26 Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset jpx...@gmail.com

 2011/2/26 Mike Nokel mno...@gmail.com

 Hi!

 I have just tested some audio players in my Lubuntu Maverick and I want to
 share my experience with you. First of all, my testing machine was Asus EEE
 PC 1015 pn. It has Atom N550 inside and 2 GB of memory.
 Firstly, I have installed deadbeef. I don't know whether it is a bug or
 not but after playing from one to three songs it stops playing at all. So
 this player was removed.
 Then I have read about audacious in this mail's list. I have installed it
 and it looked very nice, but used ~28% of my CPU. This was too big for me,
 so this player was also removed.
 Then I have found decibel audio player. This one used ~18% of my CPU and
 had very simple, but nice interface.
 I have also tried pogo audio player. It used ~16% of my CPU.
 So, now about two winners in this small compettion in my opinion. First of
 them is pragha. It is very fast, has simple but nice interface, is coded in
 C++ and uses ~14% of my CPU. And the second is alsaplayer. It has nice
 interface, equalizer and some available plugins that can imitate winamp
 style. It uses ~12% of my CPU. So I think that this is the best one for me.

 P.S. All of these players use nearly the same amount of memory.
 P.P.S. All digits were taken from htop utility.

 Best regards,
 Mike Nokel


 Mike:

 I tried severall players for Lubuntu, and for me audacious win because:
 - CPU doesn't get over 18% on an P3 at 768(1000) mhz
 - It was the app consumming less RAM among all (this is a hard point to me
 because at the time i did those tests i use to have 256ram)
 - I can throw to it almost anything, it's codecs are very large
 The amount of CPU you're experiencing it's maybe due that you tried it
 freshly installed or changed from GTK skin to winamp skin or viceversa... in
 those cases the cpu consuming gets crazy (don't know why). Just try it after
 a reboot without touching anything to the conf :)
 In an old machine i have, it is the only player that i could get to work
 without messing with the sound output.
 Julien also commented something about audacious development that was a good
 thing to Lubuntu...

 Anyway, i will test those players you're pointing, maybe effectively one of
 them is better than audacious... i'm having some desapointments with the
 latest versions of it (but i hope they will fix it)



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Decibel has gstreamer dependecies... something that in Lubuntu i don't think
we are very friend of.
Pogo and Pragha are not in the repositories (at least for 10.04) so it
generates a problem for the Lubuntu team as they have to take in charge
another package... (and so, i didn't even tried them)
Alsa-Player is in the repos, no huge dependencies and it really impressed me
about the cpu consumption, but taking a quick look at it, resulted that it's
a very incomplete software... starting with the fact that it has no autoplay
:( Audacious if a little more heavy for the CPU but it's a very complete
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Audio players

2011-02-26 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
2011/2/27 Jared Norris jrnor...@gmail.com

 On 27 February 2011 13:10, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset jpx...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Mike:
 
  2011/2/26 Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset jpx...@gmail.com
 
  2011/2/26 Mike Nokel mno...@gmail.com
 
  Hi!
  I have just tested some audio players in my Lubuntu Maverick and I want
  to share my experience with you. First of all, my testing machine was
 Asus
  EEE PC 1015 pn. It has Atom N550 inside and 2 GB of memory.
  Firstly, I have installed deadbeef. I don't know whether it is a bug or
  not but after playing from one to three songs it stops playing at all.
 So
  this player was removed.
  Then I have read about audacious in this mail's list. I have installed
 it
  and it looked very nice, but used ~28% of my CPU. This was too big for
 me,
  so this player was also removed.
  Then I have found decibel audio player. This one used ~18% of my CPU
 and
  had very simple, but nice interface.
  I have also tried pogo audio player. It used ~16% of my CPU.
  So, now about two winners in this small compettion in my opinion. First
  of them is pragha. It is very fast, has simple but nice interface, is
 coded
  in C++ and uses ~14% of my CPU. And the second is alsaplayer. It has
 nice
  interface, equalizer and some available plugins that can imitate winamp
  style. It uses ~12% of my CPU. So I think that this is the best one for
 me.
  P.S. All of these players use nearly the same amount of memory.
  P.P.S. All digits were taken from htop utility.
  Best regards,
  Mike Nokel
 
  Mike:
  I tried severall players for Lubuntu, and for me audacious win because:
  - CPU doesn't get over 18% on an P3 at 768(1000) mhz
  - It was the app consumming less RAM among all (this is a hard point to
 me
  because at the time i did those tests i use to have 256ram)
  - I can throw to it almost anything, it's codecs are very large
  The amount of CPU you're experiencing it's maybe due that you tried it
  freshly installed or changed from GTK skin to winamp skin or
 viceversa... in
  those cases the cpu consuming gets crazy (don't know why). Just try it
 after
  a reboot without touching anything to the conf :)
  In an old machine i have, it is the only player that i could get to work
  without messing with the sound output.
  Julien also commented something about audacious development that was a
  good thing to Lubuntu...
  Anyway, i will test those players you're pointing, maybe effectively one
  of them is better than audacious... i'm having some desapointments with
 the
  latest versions of it (but i hope they will fix it)
 
 
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  Decibel has gstreamer dependecies... something that in Lubuntu i don't
 think
  we are very friend of.
  Pogo and Pragha are not in the repositories (at least for 10.04) so it
  generates a problem for the Lubuntu team as they have to take in charge
  another package... (and so, i didn't even tried them)
  Alsa-Player is in the repos, no huge dependencies and it really impressed
 me
  about the cpu consumption, but taking a quick look at it, resulted that
 it's
  a very incomplete software... starting with the fact that it has no
 autoplay
  :( Audacious if a little more heavy for the CPU but it's a very complete
  piece of software ;)
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 Just a quick question. I have been using exaile for years now on gnome
 and was wondering if it would be suitable? It has some gstreamer
 dependencies though so if this is a deal breaker I guess not. The only
 thing is I have been using it as a full features program on a quad
 core box and it idles along under 1% cpu usage but I don't have the
 ability to test it on older hardware so thought I'd just mention and
 see if anyone has the ability to test this or not.

 Regards,

 Jared Norris JP(Qual) BBehSc(Psych)
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris



Just tested Exaile, the CPU runs fine (17~25%), but it's a little more than
Audacious (13~17%). But i can see crearly why is not an option for Lubuntu:
it consumes 40mb Ram vs Audacious that consumes 17~18mb Ram
Besides, for simplicity packages audacious are just 2... for exaile there
are plenty of it (wich i don't know if it's a bad thing or not, but an app
with just 2 packages seems simplier to me ;)



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Pidgin Suggestion

2011-02-25 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
2011/2/25 Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com

 Le jeudi 24 février 2011 à 23:32 -0300, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset a
 écrit :
  Can't really tell any difference... so i ran pidgin with and without
  it and there's no difference seeing it with xfce4-taskmanager

 It's more about the visual between the 2 notifications. I suspect we
 have the same with or without this plugin install.


Sorry, i think i'm missing something (english problems), but Pidgin doesn't
manage notifications without this plugin installed, so can i compare them?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Ask yourself...

2011-02-25 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset

 For me the MOST important function would be support for older machines.

We have to start from one fact: if Lubuntu can run in an acceptable way in
an old machine, it will run incredibly on a newer machine.

 Let me use it with external monitors/TV as a basic media player (HDMI out)

For me, it's a problem of my video driver... so i'm not sure that it's
always a problem about Lubuntu

 Be efficient

And i would add that it has to be beautiful, and the artwork team is doing a
great job keeping both fronts in mind.

Also i would add that Lubuntu is a step forward to save the planet since:
- It's energy efficient
- You don't have to throw away your old machine, since it will revamp a
machine starting from a P2* and above giving you a full and ready to use
desktop in your own language.

* Other OS like Puppy Linux can do this, but THAT is a really stripped
distro...

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Add gucharmap to the default installed apps

2011-02-25 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
2011/2/25 Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com

 On Thu, 24 Feb 2011 23:53:20 -
 Chris Druif cyber.dr...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hai everyone,
 
  Seeing we are trying to bring the Ubuntu feeling to LXDE, we should try
  to give the full experience, but lightweight. Seeing Ubuntu comes with
  a character map installed, I would like to suggest that Lubuntu also
  comes installed with an character map. Seeing gucharmap (ubuntu's
  default) doesn't require any addition dependencies and should take 561kB
  on disk.
 
  It was discussed in the latest meeting, and gilir suggested to put it on
  the mailing-list to check if anyone was against the addition, so let
  yourself be heard if you do.
 
 Not something I use very often, but is useful occasionally.


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Some users need it... like me for doing my documents that have characters
used in math classes.
It seems to me a great idea for bringing a full desktop experience like
Chris said!

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Ask yourself...

2011-02-25 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
Well, at least 10.04 runs well on it... don't know if there's any project to
compile kernels for old cpus...

2011/2/25 PYROcomp rexmo...@gmail.com

 qoute- You don't have to throw away your old machine, since it will
 revamp a machine starting from a P2* and above giving you a full and ready
 to use desktop in your own language.
 /quote

 Does the 11.04 edition in fact run on P2s?   As I understand it support for
 old CPUs was dropped from the latest kernels...


 Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Pidgin Suggestion

2011-02-24 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset

  Since Lubuntu uses libnotify for NM, transmission, power-management 
  Gnome-Mplayer I would like to make a very humble suggestion package to
  be included on lubuntu: pidgin-libnotify. It would be nice to have an
  unified looking desktop. I'm testing it since a few days and it works
  great so far.

 This sounds like a good idea to me, as long as pidgin-libnotify does not
 depend on a bunch of other packages which are not already in Lubuntu.
 Can you test this (install a fresh Lubuntu, then do

  sudo apt-get -s install pidgin-libnotify

 and see how many (and which) other packages would be installed) and let
 the list know the results?


Team:

Here's what Jonathan asked:

Package to be included: pidgin-libnotify (295kb installed)
... and it depends on: libindicate-gtk2  libindicate4 (180kb both
installed)

That's for 10.04, but i guess that in newer versions it should be the same.

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Idea/Suggestion to say goodbye to xcreensaver

2011-02-24 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
Lubuntu team:

Since Lubuntu is targeted for low-spec computers, xcreensaver is not a good
choice to use since it causes problems such as:
- In my three (old) machines I must kill the xcreensaver daemon in order to
be able to install the system.
- The idea is to make a good-looking effect but with older video cards the
screensaver hangs or it is terribly slow.
In fact in those three machines, once Lubuntu is installed I just remove
xcreensaver and let the power-manager doing the trick of shutting-off my
screen. It saves me from another app-running and the effect wanted is done
(and even better since it shutts the screen off, it doesn't blank it... so
it's *more energy efficiency for Lubuntu*)
Speaking about this to Julien he pointed me to a problem I haven't seen:
lock the screen.
So, Googling a little i've found xtrlock, something very lightweigth to use
that locks the screen until you type your user pass: everything is locked
and your mouse pointer becomes a blue lock (but since the screen will be
off, you won't tell ;)
The way to implement this would be that as soon as the power-manager shuts
off the screen it launches the xtrlock... but this would take Lubuntu devs
to perform the task of coding it into the gnome-power-manager.

I stop here, waiting for reactions and good-wellcoming :)


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Pidgin Suggestion

2011-02-24 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset

 And it probably means that those library will be loaded.

That's correct :) (that's why i've posted the kb from each package)

 Do you have the difference between the 2 notifications, with and without
 pidgin-libnotify ?

Can't really tell any difference... so i ran pidgin with and without it and
there's no difference seeing it with xfce4-taskmanager

2011/2/24 Chris cyber.dr...@gmail.com

 Hai Julian,

 Have you got pidgin installed, as on Ubuntu Maverick it's installed when I
 use the PPA (so I'm not sure with the repos version).
 And I'd need to install libnotify to use it in Lubuntu? Shouldn't it be
 activated/installed by default? Giving the Ubuntu feeling?

 Food for thought,

 Chris Druif


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Idea/Suggestion to say goodbye to xcreensaver

2011-02-24 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset

 I have never seen a justifiable reason for there existence apart from
 locking the machine if required.

 Personally, i never lock the screen but i'm asuming that's a feature
needed.

 Also, I hate screen locks on my machines.  I would NOT want my screen to
 lock every time it went blank.  Having it as an option would be nice, but
 not as default.

xlock can be launched without password confirmation: xlock -nolock - this
should be configurable.

 They serve no other purpose, other than using energy.

 The first time that i installed Lubuntu I've surprised when see that the
 default screensaver consume 60-70% of my processor.

I couldn't be more agree.

 ... it's a energy saving OS too. In the lubuntu.net home page say it:
 lubuntu is a faster, more lightweight and *energy saving* variant of
 Ubuntu using LXDE

I think this is a crucial point according to the amount of cpu needed and
the fact that it's an app running on the background consuming Ram... one of
the goals of Lubuntu is to be *efficient*

 For the screen saving, It's relative to CRT screen, which are still used.
 But, having the ability to switch to a blank image maybe is enough. And I
 don't think xlock can do it.

Just try xlock -mode blank for the blank image.

 Haven't screen-savers been around forever? Does Lubuntu need to be
 stripped down further?

Been playing a little with xlock and it's sort of a lightweight-screensaver
too, it draws on the screen things that i think most hardware can handle
(i'll give it a try on my old amd-k6 to tell this) - This screensaver
should be configurable if the user wants a blank screen or the aleatory
screensaver set by default in xlock

 Should most hardware be able to handle them?

Short answer, i think screensavers for old hardware were not exactly those
in xcreensaver since it demands a good video card to work smoothly.

xlock resulted to me much more attractive than xtrlock, but the problem
remains the same: it can't be launched alone when the machine's been idle
for a determined amount of time, so the idea that it depends on the
power-manager to start sounds like a solution to me (so there are no
additional daemons or apps running). Also xlock options could be handled in
a new tab in the UI of gnome-power-manager, since they would be bundled
(just ideas...)

I would suggest putting it on launchpad as a feature request.

Yes, but i don't know exactly how to say it in short words.

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Pidgin Suggestion

2011-02-23 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
Team:

Since Lubuntu uses libnotify for NM, transmission, power-management 
Gnome-Mplayer I would like to make a very humble suggestion package to be
included on lubuntu: pidgin-libnotify. It would be nice to have an unified
looking desktop. I'm testing it since a few days and it works great so far.
If you agree, i hope's not too late for it to be included in 11.04

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[Lubuntu-desktop] text files bug

2011-02-21 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
People:

I don't know how to exactly fill this bug about text files (and too for
.rtf!?), so if anyone can help me it would be great: A text file copied and
then pasted from a device to another (i did it with my usb key to my hdd and
viceversa) is marked as an executable file (and so, it doesn't open with
leafpad by default since it loads as a script or something...). Note that
this doesn't happen when doing this process between partitions inside the
same disk.
I think that this is a pcmanfm problem, but i really don't know. I'm using
pcmanfm 0.9.7 on 10.04.
I've tested it in my three lubuntu machines, all did the same. I've tried it
before and after the lxde/ppa update.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] debconf bug?

2011-02-18 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
2011/2/18 Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm

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 On 02/18/2011 10:59 AM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset wrote:

  Installing Lubuntu 10.04 to a friend, i watched something strange
  while upgrading the system:

  debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Gnome
  debconf: (Unable to load Gnome... is libgnome2-perl installed?)
  debconf: falling back to frontend: Dialog

  And after this it continues to install the package. But the system
  prints this message for every package to install...

 Why do you think this is a bug?  What issue or harm does it cause?  You
 should only see this is you look at the details window during the
 package installation from upgrade-manager, most users never see it.

 As far as I know, this is just debconf looking for GNOME and not finding
 it, which I would consider normal expected behaviour (since LUbuntu does
 not include GNOME!), and so this is (as far as I can see) not a bug.

 If this message results in failed installations, or the message in
 itself causes a problem for you, please state more clearly what the
 problem is.

 Thanks,

 Jonathan
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So, according to you it doesn't affect that each time a package is installed
or uninstalled the system tries to find something and fails: this is a
process that sure last less than a second... but Lubuntu is for old-spec
hardware, so here, less than a second can be a second for other person
with older hardware (and multiplied for each package you're
un/installing...).
And so, everybody here knows that Lubuntu doesn't include Gnome... that's
why a call for something gnome-called looks bad.

The process automatically falls back to the frontend dialog... i'm just
saying that if it's possible, this should be done by default in Lubuntu.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: get lubuntu on Lubuntu website

2011-02-17 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
People:

Also it would be great if it could be 10.04.2 :)

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu, energy efficiency and sustainable computing

2011-02-15 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
Hi John:

1)  Other Lubuntu users like me.  Did the environment factor into your
 decision to start using Lubuntu?  Did you use it to bring an old machine
 back to life?

The reason i had to use this OS is that my machine was not working at all
with XP and since with a P3  256 ram there's not a lot of OS that runs
smoothly and are functional, i tried a lot of systems since i found it crazy
to change a healthy machine because of it's OS! One day i found Lubuntu,
tried it... and stayed with it since! For me, it has all the benefits of
Ubuntu but it's very simple, clean... and really fast. Later, I even
installed in a very old amd-k6 and runs nice.


2)  Some data indicating that Lubuntu is more energy efficient.  I've
 seen some claims along those lines, but does anyone have any proof that
 Lubuntu uses less electricity?

I could not tell you with scientific proofs, but with Lubuntu my battery
that has 10 years can work for more or less 1,6 hours (starting with the
battery as power source) and i find it incredible... even once it lasted two
hours, starting connected to AC power. With Ubuntu or XP is about 1 hour
only.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Suggestion: Move these apps from Preferences to System Tools (submenus or not)

2011-02-12 Thread Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
Guys:

2011/2/11 Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm

 On 02/11/2011 04:43 PM, Julien Lavergne wrote:
   Thanks Jonathan. I can't see the benefit of the 2 sub-menu
  Administration and System tools. Why not merged them into 1 ? 1
  thing I like in the LXDE/Lubuntu menu is that everything is quickly
  available. What do you think ?
  So to me, it makes sense as is.  I was looking for a happy medium
 between everything vaguely System related goes into one big System
 menu, and the old way of System Preferences apps not even being
 noticeably System oriented in the menus, which I think is unfortunate
 -- the difference between a per-user change and a per-machine change is
 significant.
  But I'm not (yet?) a long-term every day Lubuntu or LXDE user.  I am
 more used to the Ubuntu GNOME menu structure, which has System -
 Administration - Synaptic (for example)... so reflecting that in
 Lubuntu makes it much easier for me, personally, to find things, than
 when Synaptic was in Preferences :)  That doesn't mean my way will suit
 everyone, though.

 Jonathan


For me at least, if everything would be merged into one only sub-menu i
would know where to do something that normally i won't use every day of my
normal use of a computer. So, in favor of space and practicity i'm with
Julien on this. It would remind me a little of XP wich honestly, was good.

About control center: isn't there a way to start a window of pcmanfm without
the adress column to make the pcmanfm-control-center?!?!?? How sad :'(

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