[Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 664206] Re: SSH_AUTH_SOCK not being properly set: user has to type password even if saved in the password manager

2012-01-07 Thread Julien Lavergne
Thanks for the patch, I'll add it for Precise. I'll keep a bug on
lxsession, because it should be handle automaticly by lxsession

** Package changed: lxdm (Ubuntu) = lxsession (Ubuntu)

** Changed in: lxde-common (Ubuntu)
   Status: Confirmed = Invalid

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Title:
  SSH_AUTH_SOCK not being properly set: user has to type password even
  if saved in the password manager

Status in GNOME keyring services:
  Unknown
Status in “gdm” package in Ubuntu:
  Invalid
Status in “gnome-keyring” package in Ubuntu:
  Invalid
Status in “lubuntu-default-settings” package in Ubuntu:
  Confirmed
Status in “lxde-common” package in Ubuntu:
  Invalid
Status in “lxsession” package in Ubuntu:
  Confirmed

Bug description:
  Binary package hint: lxde-common

  SSH_AUTH_SOCK is not being properly set. (Or it is pointing to a sock
  that doesn't accomplish its job.)

  Expected behavior:
  You run ssh myn...@mydomain.net and the password manager opens a GUI to ask 
for the passphrase. Once unlocked, it remains unlocked until you log off. 
Moreover, at that moment of unlocking you can tell it to remember the 
passphrase forever so it gets automatically unlocked next time you login. Any 
other application that uses ssh-like connections will find this key unlocked as 
well.

  Observed behavior:
  You run ssh myn...@mydomain.net and it prompts you for the key passphrase 
in the terminal. You run it again, you are prompted again. Any other 
application that uses ssh-like connections will result in a passphrase prompt 
as well.

  How to reproduce:
  Enter Lubuntu session
  Open Passwords and Encryption Keys
  Create a Secure Shell key
  Configure this key to some domain you can ssh to
  Open a terminal and run ssh myn...@mydomain.net
  You are promted for a password in the terminal interface.

  Partial workaround:
  Here is a partial workaround for a terminal session: export 
SSH_AUTH_SOCK=`echo /tmp/keyring*/ssh` after the keyring-daemon has been loaded.
  But it only works within the same terminal session, not for other 
applications that launch ssh-like processes.
  Disclaim: it works for Lubuntu session inside a Ubuntu 10.04 install, with 
GDM as session manager.

  $ printenv SSH_AUTH_SOCK
  /tmp/ssh-PZgdl10603/agent.10603
  $ ssh mydomain
  Enter passphrase for key '/home/leorolla/.ssh/id_rsa': [pressed ^C]
  $ export SSH_AUTH_SOCK=`echo /tmp/keyring*/ssh`
  $ printenv SSH_AUTH_SOCK
  /tmp/keyring-k3BQQd/ssh
  $ ssh mydomain
  Last login: Wed Oct 20 19:58:06 2010 from 
  Your default printer is 
  mydomain:leorolla [blinking cursor!]

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New mailing list, PLEASE READ

2012-01-06 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 01/06/2012 02:30 PM, Peter Matulis a écrit :
 I suppose we should have Lubuntu lists showing up on this page:

 https://lists.ubuntu.com/
Yes, I hope it's updated automaticly :) Otherwise I'll send a mail in a
couple of days to the lists admins for an update.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne



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[Lubuntu-desktop] New mailing list, PLEASE READ

2012-01-05 Thread Julien Lavergne
Hi,

It's official, we have a new mailing list :)

lubuntu-us...@lists.ubuntu.com

If you want to continue to follow the lubuntu discussions, please
subscribe to this new mailing list (See
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/lubuntu-users ).

The lubuntu-desktop mailing should not be used now for new discussions,
and the team will be close soon.

Thanks for your attention :)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


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[Lubuntu-desktop] Reminder : IRC meeting today 20h UTC + Agenda

2012-01-04 Thread Julien Lavergne
Hi,

Just a reminder, there is an IRC meeting today, be sure to add the
items you want to discuss on the agenda :
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


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[Lubuntu-desktop] Minutes from the Lubuntu Team meeting on 2012-01-04

2012-01-04 Thread Julien Lavergne
Hi,

You can find the logs of the meeting on
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Meetings/20120104
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Meetings/2030

Regards,
Julien Lavergne
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Happy New Year 2012

2012-01-01 Thread Julien Lavergne
Hi,

A quick mail to wish you all, a happy new year :-) 2011 was a very cool
year for Lubuntu, let's hope 2012 will be also a happy year :-)

Also, for people who are testing Precise, you should have, with today
updates, a gift [1] from the Artwork Team, if you kept the default
wallpaper ;-)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

[1] For others, it's here :
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~lubuntu-art/+junk/lubuntu-artwork/download/117/lubuntudefaultwallpa-20111231173218-l0v3jypivw1jw0wl-1/lubuntu-default-wallpaper.png


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] GSOC - Lubuntu style?

2011-12-31 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 12/31/2011 11:19 AM, David Reimer a écrit :
 It's probably a bit of a lottery, is it?
Well, we lack mentors and interesting projects, that the reasons why we
could not get in last times. I also unsure if we can apply as a separate
project from Ubuntu.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LxScreenshot update

2011-12-30 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 12/27/2011 06:35 AM, PCMan a écrit :
 I just created a git repo in lxde project for lxscreenshot.
 See 
 http://lxde.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=lxde/lxscreenshot;a=summary


 git://lxde.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/lxde/lxscreenshot
 http://lxde.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/lxde/lxscreenshot (read-only) 
 ssh://usern...@lxde.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/lxde/lxscreenshot
 http://usern...@lxde.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/lxde/lxscreenshot
 (read/write)

 About how to use the git service provided by sourceforge:
 https://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sourceforge/wiki/Git#CreatingMultipleRepositories


 Thank you for the nice applications. Push it to our git repo when you
 have time, please.
 Cheers!

git repo pushed :)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Minimal Install issue in Wiki

2011-12-29 Thread Julien Lavergne
This is a quick summarise of the different type of installation,
up-to-date with 11.10 :

By using desktop ISO : Installation done using Ubiquity + a live
session, by copying the image of the CD into the system. It's the
recommend way for testing and installing Lubuntu. Note that using the
live session or the Install only mode will do teh same result, just
using less memory.

By using alternate ISO : Installation using debian installer type. No
live session available. Design to install Lubuntu on everything,
especially if the Ubiquity or the live session is not supported. You can
do the same with the command line, by using sudo apt-get install
lubuntu-desktop, on a minimum Ubuntu installation (see
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/LowMemorySystems#Install_an_Ubuntu_command-line_system)

Minimal installation : Only on a command line system, just install the
lubuntu-core by doing sudo apt-get install lubuntu-core. It should
install only core components of Lubuntu + the artwork. I would suggest
to also install lxdm or lightdm to have a graphical login manager.

As you can see, the --no-install-recommends is not necessary since
11.10. It can be used for people who wants minimal depends, but you have
to be carefull, because sometimes some recommended packages are very
useful, and so not installed if you use --no-install-recommends. I don't
think we need other type of installation, unless I miss a use case :)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne



Le 12/28/2011 07:28 AM, Phill Whiteside a écrit :
 Hi Hùng,

 an apology from me.

 We will get it updated to the alternate ISO. As we got full adoption,
 the builds and releases of Lubuntu having both the approved system and
 our older not fully approved builds.

 I do thank you for bringing this to our attention, we are a small team
  can miss things.

 @ Julien  PCMan  an older FAQ, can it be up dated, or simply
 point to a more recent area.
 @ A J await until you are better  add it to the thread on the forum.

 Regards,

 Phill.


 On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 3:46 AM, Hùng Trần nguyentieu...@gmail.com
 mailto:nguyentieu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 I just checked our Minimal Install guide
 at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall.

 I don't know why we use sudo apt-get install
 --no-install-recommends lubuntu-desktop command to install
 Lubuntu. With --no-install-recommends we only have Lubuntu with
 PCManFM, Leafpad, LXTerminal, Synaptic, Update Manager and
 Preferred Applications.

 As I understand, Minimal Install is for people who want to get a
 full Lubuntu desktop by installing via a Ubuntu minimal CD or USB
 because they can't use Ubiquity.
 Using --no-install-recommends could make newbie confused when
 their desktops almost have nothing.

 Regards,
 TRẦN Duy Hùng
 http://www.nguyentieuhau.com/

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Integrate obkey (or the like)?

2011-12-29 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 12/28/2011 02:26 PM, David Reimer a écrit :
 There is a small, fast, simple keybinding utility for Lubuntu available:

 http://code.google.com/p/obkey/

 I wonder what the thinking might be on whether it (or something like
 it) should get bundled into a Lubuntu base install?
Yes, it's a good idea to include such software. However, before spending
time to package / test / fix it, I would like to know if there are other
applications like this available, and try to pick the best one.

Currently, not having GTK3 support is not a blocker, but we need to have
it in mind when choosing the application. For example, having support
for openbox 3.5.0 is IMO much more important.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Possible Bug in /usr/bin/startlubuntu

2011-12-29 Thread Julien Lavergne
Hi,

Thanks for your help on this :) Let me comment the 3 points :

Le 12/29/2011 11:32 PM, Axel FILMORE a écrit :

 I would see three problems :
 1) /etc/xdg/xdg-/usr/bin/startlubuntu doesn't exist and looks weird.
You should have /etc/xdg/xdg-Lubuntu instead. It's a common path for
configuration files, using by Xubuntu for example (all it's in
/etc/xdg/xdg-Xubuntu).
It was introduced sometimes ago, but I didn't find any advantage to move
from /etc/xdg/lubuntu to this location.

 2) /usr/bin/startlubuntu appends /etc/xdg once more.
I fixed it for 12.04, it's already append by a Xsession.d script
(/etc/X11/Xsession.d/60x11-common_xdg_path).

 3) lxsession parses any $XDG_CONFIG_DIRS/autostart that exists.
Yes, there were complains about applications run twice using autostart,
it's probably because of this. Thanks :) Unfortunately, I'm in the
middle of rewriting this part of lxsession, so I can't include your
patch like this, but I'll make sure the behaviour is correct on the new
lxsession.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

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[Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 908915] Re: [11.10 - 12.04] deja-dup missing icons for add/remove (on lubuntu) Missing dependency to gnome-icon-theme-symbolic

2011-12-29 Thread Julien Lavergne
IMO, it looks like elementary-icon-theme needs a depends or a recommends
of gnome-icon-theme-symbolic, until it's implemented directly in the
theme.

** Also affects: elementary-icon-theme (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
   Status: New

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Title:
  [11.10 - 12.04] deja-dup missing icons for add/remove (on lubuntu)
  Missing dependency to gnome-icon-theme-symbolic

Status in “deja-dup” package in Ubuntu:
  Confirmed
Status in “elementary-icon-theme” package in Ubuntu:
  New

Bug description:
  deja-dup has missing icons for add/remove in the menu where you can
  choose what should be included/excluded

  this is happening on a lubuntu system so i guess deja-dup has a
  missing dependency which is only a problem when not using ubuntu-
  desktop


  this is happening on 11.10 and 12.04. 11.04 was not tested

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 12.04
  Package: deja-dup 21.2-0ubuntu2
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 3.2.0-6.12-generic 3.2.0-rc6
  Uname: Linux 3.2.0-6-generic i686
  ApportVersion: 1.90-0ubuntu1
  Architecture: i386
  Date: Tue Dec 27 03:06:03 2011
  EcryptfsInUse: Yes
  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 11.04 Natty Narwhal - Release i386 (20110426)
  ProcEnviron:
   PATH=(custom, no user)
   LANG=de_DE.UTF-8
   SHELL=/bin/bash
  SourcePackage: deja-dup
  UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to precise on 2011-12-04 (22 days ago)

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lxde-list] Release lxpanel in January? (was: Re: About lxpanel2)

2011-12-28 Thread Julien Lavergne

Le 28 déc. 2011 à 10:56, Martin Bagge / brother brot...@bsnet.se a écrit :

 I'll work with the recent changes and try to go to release in early
 January and will follow up on that release in February/March with a bug
 fixes focused release. This will get the additional code in a rather
 good state and the translators will be mostly done in time for at least
 lubuntu 12.04.
 
 Objections?

Sounds like a good plan :)
Thanks.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] LxScreenshot update

2011-12-27 Thread Julien Lavergne
Thanks,
I have a local git repo at home, I'll push it next weak.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

On Tue, 27 Dec 2011 13:35:26 +0800
PCMan pcman...@gmail.com wrote:

 I just created a git repo in lxde project for lxscreenshot.
 See
 http://lxde.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=lxde/lxscreenshot;a=summary
 
 git://lxde.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/lxde/lxscreenshot (read-only)
 ssh://usern...@lxde.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/lxde/lxscreenshot(read/write)
 
 About how to use the git service provided by sourceforge:
 https://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/sourceforge/wiki/Git#CreatingMultipleRepositories
 
 Thank you for the nice applications. Push it to our git repo when you have
 time, please.
 Cheers!


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] About Xscreensaver

2011-12-23 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 12/23/2011 10:16 PM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset a écrit :
 It has been pointed in the past, that for old machines Xcreensaver
 makes everything sluggish (i can make proof of it because some
 installations of Lubuntu have crashed because it tries to launch
 xcreensaver and everything falls apart AND in my pentium 3 @1000mhz
 the first thing i cut is the screensaver because it slows the whole
 system)
 If I remember correctly, drop xcreensaver was a bad idea just for the
 blocking screen.
 I've been using a little Ubuntu 11.10 and I'm wondering if they still
 use a screensaver at all. Maybe they are using something different
 just to block the screen?
 If yes, maybe we could use the same thing and cut xcreensaver from
 Lubuntu.

They are using compiz to lock the screen, so we can't use the same :)
1 thing I will change for 12.04 is to change the behavior by default,
using only a blank screen instead of the animated one. It should be
nicer for your type of configuration.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Minutes from the Lubuntu Team meeting on 2011-12-21

2011-12-21 Thread Julien Lavergne
Hi,

You can find the logs of the meeting on
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Meetings/20111221
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Meetings/2030

Also, next meeting will be on January 04.

Merry Christmas, and happy new year :)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


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[Lubuntu-desktop] Reminder : IRC meeting tomorrow 20h UTC + Agenda

2011-12-20 Thread Julien Lavergne
Hi,

Just a reminder, there is an IRC meeting tomorrow, be sure to add the
items you want to discuss on the agenda :
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Users

2011-12-18 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 12/17/2011 04:32 PM, Gabriel Salles a écrit :
 I don't know if it is possible, but is there a way of Canonical count
 how many IPs does an update? Maybe some specific update, like
 software-center, lxterminal... I know that some computers still
 doesn't use internet, but most of them use.
It was proposed by Canonical to count Ubuntu users, but some people was
against this, they don't like been tracking or that their OS sending
data by default. So, it was abandoned.

One thing you can do, it's enable popcon support : open
software-properties-gtk, go to Statistics, and click on the checkbox.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Users (popularity-contest)

2011-12-18 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 12/18/2011 03:03 AM, Jonathan Marsden a écrit :
 Will whatever new survey you are proposing clearly do better than this?
  Would enhancing popularity-contest and its associated infrastructure so
 it *does* distinguish between the various flavours of Ubuntu be as
 useful, or more useful, than your proposal?  How do current numbers of
 users (as reported by popcon) installing lubuntu-desktop or lxde-common
 compare to those installing ubuntu-desktop, for example?

 Overall, I recommend using existing tools and data over trying to build
 a new survey mechanism from scratch.
Yes, popcon is handy for pure statistics, but you can't use it for
feedbacks about the usability of the system, or what user would like to
see in priority.

Of course, using a survey is not 100% reliable, but I don't think any
tools which gather this type of data is 100% reliable :) I think a
survey done once after each release, could be a good source of information.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Me again :)

2011-12-18 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 12/17/2011 09:59 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA a écrit :

 That would be great. We do need such team which should NOT be isolated
 from Ubuntu Team (sorry if I didn't explain myself previously). The
 Marketing Team Members are Lubuntu Members who will be dedicated to do
 one main job/task and that will be Marketing.

 Also, we do need a Wiki or Documentation Team.
In my mind, the teams should be free to organize themself, and to work
as they like. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Teams_New for my first
ideas on the topic.

 What about a Sub-Forum on LXDE Forum? if that's possible, it would be
 great since I'm a moderator there. However, someone must do something
 please about the continuous problem on LXDE Website. It's up and down
 and when it's up, it's very slow.
It sounds like a good idea.

 What I'm thinking and wondering about: Having more resources depends
 on money or something else? also, if we are an official variant for
 Ubuntu then it's not bad idea at all if Canonical spend something to
 improve Lubuntu in any possible way. I have no idea how their system
 work and to be honest don't want to be involved, I have enough stuff
 to care about but I was just wondering.
 I'll keep searching for people who can really support us financially.
 In case I find someone, what shall I do?
We never discuss the financial case, and it's quite a complex topic :)
Imagine, you want to give 10 € to Lubuntu, how do you share it between
people who make Lubuntu :
- Lubuntu project (and who in the Lubuntu project ?)
- Ubuntu project (because we are based on Ubuntu)
- Debian project (because we are besed on Ubuntu, which is base on Debian)
- LXDE project (because we used many LXDE components)
- Other upstream projects (kernel, abiword, gnome-mplayer ...)
- ...

One idea is to have in the software-center a button to support upstream
projects, or / and having a page with all the support links.

But, money doesn't do all. For an open source project, we primarily need
users, developers, testers, and people who spread the work :)

 Well, I think there is a bug using these on both Lubuntu 11.10 and 11.04.
 On 11.10, adding the above two packages will not add the username.
 Adding the username must be done through indicator-me which is gone
 in 11.10 and no longer in the repositories.
 http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/07/ubuntu-11-10-menu-goodbye/

 As for 11.04, indicator-me package is still in the repositories but
 when I added it and rebooted, it's done and on PCManFM, there is no
 File, Edit, etc ... I have no idea what happened.

 There is already some bugs and I commented on one of them but can't
 find it right now.
 I have asked that question because there is a case where there are 3
 different users are using the same PC and they want something to
 display the name of the current logged in user beside a feature to
 switch to another user.
 indicator-me package has 126 files to be downloaded and installed. I
 was wondering if it's impossible to use indicator me in 11.10, is
 there any other alternative?
Maybe (just a guess) it's because lxdm doesn't support switching user,
so adding indicator-session doesn't show the user name, because it's an
indicator for switching user.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Users

2011-12-17 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 12/17/2011 03:08 AM, Philip a écrit :
 A few weeks ago on this list, a question was raised about the current
 number of Lubuntu users.  I was a little surprised that no one had a
 clear idea, and that estimates varied widely.  It seems a little
 dangerous from a development standpoint to have so little information
 about your userbase, doesn't it?  Wouldn't it be valuable to determine
 a way of gathering data about how many people use Lubuntu, and how
 they use it?
I think information on how users use the system, and what they want from
it is always interesting. The problem is to organize the collect of the
information in a way it's easy to analyze. A survey could be a good idea
to gather this type of information.

Also, having popular requests from users doesn't mean we will implement
them :) We have to keep with our policy : keep it fast and easy to use :)

About the number of users, I personally doesn't care too much. Sure,
having a good rank in Distrowatch is nice, but we can live without it :)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Me again :)

2011-12-17 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 12/16/2011 05:20 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA a écrit :
 1- I'm thinking about a Marketing Team which will be dedicated to
 Lubuntu Marketing and its members will focus ONLY on Marketing. As
 always, I'm willing to contribute and join but I just thought to
 propose the idea here and SO SORRY if this is not the right place to
 do that :)
I'll put this topic for discussion in the next team meeting. I would
like to set up teams, and the Marketing team is one of them.

 2- What are the chances of having a dedicated Forum JUST for Lubuntu?
 or maybe a Sub-Forum either on Ubuntu Forum or LXDE Forum? needless to
 say I'm more than up to this but again, I'd like to propose the idea here.
On http://ubuntuforums.org/, I'm not sure there are dedicated forum for
Kubuntu, Xubuntu ... Using tag seems to be useful, because some requests
/ questions may apply to all the derivatives.

 3- Lubuntu is an official variant of Ubuntu now. Regarding the funds
 and stuff like that, is Canonical taking care of that? what if I find
 someone who can denote or help us financially?  I understand it's free
 OS but I'm working on that ... I'm looking for someone to denote or
 help us financially.
Canonical doesn't provide direct financial support, unless they have
financial interest :) They already provide various support, by giving us
access to some services, see
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecognizedDerivatives for details.

 4- Like GNOME 2.xx (say Ubuntu 10.04), how can I add my username to
 the panel? is there anyway? in Ubuntu 10.04, I can see my username on
 the top panel but how hard or easy is it to do the same on Lubuntu?
Using indicator-session-gtk2 + the indicator applet of lxpanel should
work. The support for indicators in Lubuntu is not perfect, some of them
have need Ubuntu / GNOME components to run properly.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Minutes from the Lubuntu Team meeting on 2011-12-14

2011-12-14 Thread Julien Lavergne
Hi,

You can find the logs of the meeting on
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Meetings/20111214
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Meetings/2030

Regards,
Julien Lavergne
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Users' Threads - Help Needed

2011-12-14 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 12/13/2011 09:15 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA a écrit :
 Most of users, including me, start their searching for a solution or
 seeking for support journey from the  forums, of course after doing
 some Google Search (which in most cases direct them to one of these
 forums). IMHO, reporting a problem on Launchpad should be done if
 there is NO Real Solution/Fix to a particular issue OR it's an obvious
 bug (but again, how can we tell whether it's a bug or not?).
 For a small (BUT GREAT) team like us (Lubuntu), reporting issues on
 Launchpad directly without checking the forum will add extra work to
 the developer and above all, on forums, you probably could find a
 solution easier and faster. Maybe I'm wrong but this is what I think.
Sometimes, the solution you provide may hide a real bug. I'm ok than
some issues doesn't have to be reported on launchpad. But it's important
to use launchpad, developers look at launchpad, not the forum.
And it's possible that a solution provided can be included directly in
Lubuntu, to be available for everyone :)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Reminder : IRC meeting tomorrow 20h UTC + Agenda

2011-12-13 Thread Julien Lavergne
Hi,

Just a reminder, there is a IRC meeting tomorrow, be sure to add the
items you want to discuss to the agenda :
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


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[Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 903895] Re: [12.04] gnome-session is trying to install unity on lubuntu

2011-12-13 Thread Julien Lavergne
Since gnome-bluetooth is useless in Lubuntu, we need to remove it from
the seed and find a replacement.

** Package changed: gnome-session (Ubuntu) = lubuntu-meta (Ubuntu)

** Changed in: lubuntu-meta (Ubuntu)
   Status: New = In Progress

** Changed in: lubuntu-meta (Ubuntu)
 Assignee: (unassigned) = Julien Lavergne (gilir)

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Title:
  [12.04] gnome-session is trying to install unity on lubuntu

Status in “lubuntu-meta” package in Ubuntu:
  In Progress

Bug description:
  dist-upgrade on 12.04 (lubuntu) is trying to install unity but ubuntu-
  desktop is not installed. So this is a clean lubuntu-system


  The following NEW packages will be installed:
apg appmenu-gtk appmenu-gtk3 appmenu-qt bamfdaemon compiz compiz-core 
compiz-gnome
compiz-plugins-default compiz-plugins-main-default 
compizconfig-backend-gconf geoclue
geoclue-ubuntu-geoip gnome-control-center gnome-control-center-data 
gnome-desktop-data
gnome-icon-theme-symbolic gnome-menus gnome-online-accounts gnome-session 
gnome-session-bin
gnome-session-common gnome-settings-daemon indicator-appmenu 
indicator-datetime indicator-messages
indicator-power indicator-session indicator-sound 
indicator-status-provider-mc5 libbamf3-0
libboost-serialization1.46.1 libcompizconfig0 libdbusmenu-qt2 
libdecoration0 libglew1.5
libglewmx1.5 libglib2.0-bin libgnome-menu-3-0 libgnome-menu2 libido3-0.1-0
libindicator-messages-status-provider1 libmetacity-private0 libnux-1.0-0 
libnux-1.0-common
libtelepathy-glib0 libunity-core-4.0-4 libunity-misc4 libwnck-3-0 
libwnck-3-common libwnck-common
libwnck22 libxres1 libzeitgeist-1.0-1 metacity-common mousetweaks nux-tools 
ubuntu-docs
ubuntu-system-service unity unity-asset-pool unity-common 
unity-lens-applications unity-lens-files
unity-lens-music unity-scope-musicstores unity-services
  The following packages will be upgraded:
gir1.2-gnomebluetooth-1.0 gir1.2-gtk-3.0 gnome-bluetooth libgail-3-0 
libgnome-bluetooth8
libgtk-3-0 libgtk-3-bin libgtk-3-common libxerces2-java pppconfig python3.2 
python3.2-minimal
  12 upgraded, 67 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
  Need to get 22.2 MB of archives.
  After this operation, 55.2 MB of additional disk space will be used.


  if i get this output correctly, xinit is causing this

  michael@eeebuntu:~$ sudo aptitude why unity
  i   xinit Recommends xterm | x-session-manager | x-window-manager | 
x-terminal-emulator
  p   gnome-session Provides   x-session-manager
 
  p   gnome-session Recommends unity | unity-2d | gnome-shell (= 3.0)  
 

  
  the dependencies should be fixed, because on a lubuntu-system you dont want 
unity or other stuff which does not belong to lxde

  ProblemType: Bug
  DistroRelease: Ubuntu 12.04
  Package: xinit 1.3.1-1
  ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 3.2.0-4.10-generic 3.2.0-rc5
  Uname: Linux 3.2.0-4-generic i686
  ApportVersion: 1.90-0ubuntu1
  Architecture: i386
  Date: Tue Dec 13 20:42:10 2011
  EcryptfsInUse: Yes
  InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 11.04 Natty Narwhal - Release i386 (20110426)
  ProcEnviron:
   PATH=(custom, no user)
   LANG=de_DE.UTF-8
   SHELL=/bin/bash
  SourcePackage: xinit
  UpgradeStatus: Upgraded to precise on 2011-12-04 (9 days ago)

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lxde-list] LXSession improvements

2011-12-08 Thread Julien Lavergne

Le 11/30/2011 05:23 AM, PCMan a écrit :
 Looks quite good generally and source code written in vala is much
 more readable then GObject/C. :-)
 Some comments:

   * initial applications by default stuff:
 gnome classifies applications by stages rather than types.
 some applications should be loadad during initialization stage.
 some are loaded along with the desktop panel, such as some applets
 some are loaded when the panel is loaded and when the desktop
 icons are being loaded
 others are loaded thereafter.
 To ensure applications are loaded at right time, interaction with
 session manager is needed.
 For example, the desktop panel should inform the session manager
 when it's fully loaded.
 Then, the session manager enters next stage and loads applications
 of the next stage.
 Applications which cannot communicate with the session manager
 cannot support this.
 Executing a command earlier doesn't guarantee that it will finish
 loading earlier. This is an issue to solve.
   * Regarding to the implementation, an application class with a data
 member named type is enough IMHO.
 for example:
 public enum AppType {
 WM,
 PANEL,
 DESKTOP
 }
 public class App {
 private AppType type;
 }

 Defining a class registering a new GObject class at runtime and
 create much overhead since C has no object supports. OO is not
 that cheap with GObject though using it is quite easy in Vala. I'd
 avoid overuse of classes.
 To reduce overhead of GObject, we can use [Compact] attribute when
 defining classes when some features provided by GObject, like
 signals, is not absolutely needed.

   * Use of LibGee
 Most of the time, static arrays or built-in data strucures
 provided by glib itself should be enough. Maybe we don't need
 LibGee here.

   * Initial options support is good, especially the keyboard and
 xrandr one.

   * Plugin actually is a good idea. I wanted to do that for quite a
 long time, but I don't have the time to do it.

   * For Dbus interface, I'd suggest using the same interface as gnome
 rather than using our own namespace. Most of the gnome
 applications and in the future, gtk3 applications, has built-in
 supports to interact with gnome session manager. If we use
 different dbus interfaces, than we need to patch every
 applications to add lxsession support, which can be very painful.

   * For lxsession-edit, merging it with lxsession should be good for
 maintainance since it's useless when used along.

   * If you're going to take its maintaince, it's highly appreciated.
 Thanks for the great job!


Thanks for the comments, I added them to the TODO list. I'm not sure
about the timing to implement them :)

Next plan is to release it in PPA for wider testing. I consider it now
stable and with at least the same features than before the rewrite.
If there is no complain, I'm going to merge it in trunk, and prepare it
for an alpha release (0.4.9.1).

I plan to follow the Ubuntu schedule for lxsession, which mean :
 * No new features on February (the final list of features will depend
on the time I have).
 * Some beta releases during February / March
 * String freeze on March
 * A final version at the end of March

Regards,
Julien Lavergne
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Minutes from the Lubuntu Team meeting on 2011-11-30

2011-11-30 Thread Julien Lavergne
Hi,

You can find the logs of the meeting on
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Meetings/2030

Regards,
Julien Lavergne
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 12.04 Alpha 1 Testing

2011-11-29 Thread Julien Lavergne
Hi,

The 1st Alpha of Lubuntu 12.04 is planned for Thurday. We started the
ISO testing for Alpha 1, so if you want to help, you can join the
testing process :)

If you know how to use a virtual machine (Virtualbox) and how to install
Lubuntu, you can help ! :) You can follow the steps on this wiki page :
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures .

We uses a new ISO tracker to collect the results : http://91.189.93.73 .
There are 4 ISOs that you can test : Live CD (Desktop) and Alternate
ISO, both on i386 and amd64. All need to be tested, to be able to
publish an Alpha 1.

To be short, just download the ISO, run it into VirtualBox, check the
testcase on the page of the ISO, and report the result.

You don't need any technical knowledge, and if you have questions, you
can ask on #lubuntu or #ubuntu-testing.

Thanks in advance ! :)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Website lubuntu.net design

2011-11-29 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 11/18/2011 04:53 AM, Julien Lavergne a écrit :
 Since there are some interests in lubuntu.net, I made a wiki page to gather 
 ideas about it. Feel free to add you ideas to 
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Marketing/Website_Plan. We can after decide a 
 plan for the website.
Just a reminder, ideas for the website should be gather on the wiki page
: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Marketing/Website_Plan
Please keep all the comments here. If people want to participe to the
Lubuntu life, they have to create a login for the wiki. The wiki is our
main tool to coordinate the work of the team, I don't want 2 different
sources of information.

We can have a discussion during the weekly meeting of next week, to try
to decide something.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Reminder : IRC meeting tomorrow 20h UTC + Agenda

2011-11-29 Thread Julien Lavergne
Hi,

Just a reminder, there is a IRC meeting tomorrow, be sure to add the
items you want to discuss to the agenda :
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 12.04 Alpha 1 Testing

2011-11-29 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 11/29/2011 10:31 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA a écrit :
 I was unable to open this: http://91.189.93.73 http://91.189.93.73/
 Site is blocked by my ISP and anyway it doesn't seem a valid IP
 address anyway.
Ah :( but it's temporaly, the site should be available on a real DNS
adress for Alpha 2 ( http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/). Still, the ISOs are
available in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/ is
people just want to have a look.

 Another thing: I understand testing in Virtual Machines (VirtualBox)
 is SAFE but will that be the same as testing on real installation?
Not exactly, because the hardware on the virtual machine is generic. You
can test many things on a vm, but it's nice to test it also on a real
hardware.

However, for Alpha 1, it's not important to test it on real hardware.
It's still very early in the cycle. It's more critical for Beta ISO for
example.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne
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[Lubuntu-desktop] LXSession improvements

2011-11-29 Thread Julien Lavergne
Hi,

I'm working since some times to some improvements to lxsession.
With my experiments, I ended to rewrite some part in Vala, since C have
problems with me :)

You can find the result on the options branch of lxsession :
http://lxde.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=lxde/lxsession;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/options

The main new features are :
* Add initial applications by default support (panel, screensaver ...).
It's a way to configure applications started by default, rather than
just adding a line in autostart
 * Add initial options support (Keymap, XRandr, Keyring). It's the
ability to add some options add start-up, like a screen resolution
(instead of using a .desktop file in autostart directory).
* Add initial Dbus support (draft of org.lxde.SessionManager interface,
GNOME compat mode)

You can have a look at the new desktop.conf file for the new options
available :
http://lxde.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=lxde/lxsession;a=blob;f=desktop.conf.example;h=8ae0636a452b6a2e8e8728c039c5d3f0397996c4;hb=refs/heads/options


It should be already usable, the only regression I know is the logout
function of lxsession-logout which is broken.

I'll appreciate comments on this :) Especialy on the Dbus interface,
what do you expect from a session manager to be available via Dbus ? Do
you expect other features from the session manager ?

I would like in the future to take the maintainance of lxsession and try
to add more improvements, like :
* Duplicate check, to not autostart an application twice
* Merge back lxpolkit and lxsession-edit changes in lxsession
* More application by default, and more automatic / smart detections
* Finalize the Dbus interface
* Improve lxsession-edit to configure the new options.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] power button

2011-11-28 Thread Julien Lavergne
Good catch ! :) I'll add it for precise.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

Le 11/28/2011 12:14 PM, Gabriel Salles a écrit :
 I don't know if it is the same thing, but after I install the Lubuntu,
 I go to the file ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml and add these lines:

 keybind key=XF86PowerOff
 action name=Execute
 commandlubuntu-logout/command
 /action
 /keybind


 Gabriel Salles



 2011/11/28 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) rafaellag...@gmail.com
 Some  users requested here:

 http://120linux.com/lubuntu-el-boton-de-encendido-no-funciona/

 the power button ability again, reinstalling acpid. Is it really removed? 
 Does it have heavy dependencies?






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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Bluetooth GUI tool

2011-11-27 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 11/24/2011 04:13 PM, Fridolyn SOMERS a écrit :
 I had problems with the bluetooth connexion of my keyboard so i looked
 for a new GUI tool.
 I found Blueman http://blueman-project.org/ on Debian wiki
 http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser.
 It is ligth but wonderfull. It fixed my problem instantly.

 I wonder if this software couldn't become default one in Lubuntu.
 The actual commes from Gnome and with some dependencies.
I think we don't have a GUI for bluetooth configuration. Blueman seems
to be a good solution (Xubuntu added it for 11.10). But, blueman
autostarts a python applet which is too heavy for Lubuntu. Unless we can
disable it without loosing usefull features, we have to find another
solution.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Killing glade and gconf -- are there general guidelines or a blueprint?

2011-11-26 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 11/26/2011 07:22 AM, Jonathan Marsden a écrit :
 On 11/25/2011 10:02 PM, Andrew Woodhead wrote:

 gnome3 uses dconf not gconf, so as gnome2 is dying or dead, we all
 must move on and use what is supported upstream.

 That makes sense, thanks.  Actually it looks like we are supposed to
 migrate from gconf to GSettings, which is a higher level GNOME API that
 has dconf as its default back end under Unix-like OSes.
Currently, we have gconf, xfconf, and dconf running in Lubuntu. Remove
gconf will remove 1 on them, and it's also the direction of GNOME.
Ubuntu also tries to remove depends on gconf for the main image, but the
progress is slow.

 This does raise another question: for packages that are not
 Lubuntu-specific, such as gksu, is the plan for us (few) Lubuntu devs to
 do the migration work, or just to wait for someone else to do it for us?
No, the priority is the glade migration because only Lubuntu specific
packages are involved.
For gconf, we can start the migration for our packages, waiting for the
others not specific to be migrated also. If you look at the blueprint (
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-lubuntu-p-optimizations)
only the glade items are in the work items, not the gconf ones.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Killing glade and gconf -- are there general guidelines or a blueprint?

2011-11-26 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 11/26/2011 10:36 AM, Jonathan Marsden a écrit :
 On 11/26/2011 01:07 AM, Julien Lavergne wrote:

 No, the priority is the glade migration because only Lubuntu specific
 packages are involved.

 OK, that helps.  Is there documentation out there somewhere about what
 to replace glade with?  Examples, tutorials, whatever?  Is using glade
 3.10.x (and so GTK3) sufficient?  Or are we really killing glade?
No, just using GtkBuilder instead of glade should be fine :
http://developer.gnome.org/gtk/2.24/gtk-migrating-GtkBuilder.html

Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Killing glade and gconf -- are there general guidelines or a blueprint?

2011-11-26 Thread Julien Lavergne

Le 26 nov. 2011 à 11:49, Leszek Lesner leszek.les...@web.de a écrit :

 Am 26.11.2011 11:18, schrieb Julien Lavergne:
 Le 11/26/2011 10:36 AM, Jonathan Marsden a écrit :
 On 11/26/2011 01:07 AM, Julien Lavergne wrote:
 
 No, the priority is the glade migration because only Lubuntu specific
 packages are involved.
 
 OK, that helps.  Is there documentation out there somewhere about what
 to replace glade with?  Examples, tutorials, whatever?  Is using glade
 3.10.x (and so GTK3) sufficient?  Or are we really killing glade?
 No, just using GtkBuilder instead of glade should be fine :
 http://developer.gnome.org/gtk/2.24/gtk-migrating-GtkBuilder.html
 
 To bring some clearness in here. Glade as the tool to build UIs from
 version 2.0 has the capability to use gtkbuilder to build its ui forms.
 Also the ubuntu programming infrastructure quickly uses glade (again the
 tool)  with its default gtkbuilder capabilities.
 So as far as I see it we don't have any big problem or are they UIs that
 use the glade library instead the gtkbuilder library in Lubuntu ? (Again
 glade library does not mean that they were created with glade)
 
The goal is to remove the depends on libglade. I think it's pretty useless to 
use an external library for something provided by gtk itself (unless the 
support is not complete enough).

Regards,
Julien Lavergne
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Reminder : IRC meeting tonight 20h UTC + Agenda

2011-11-23 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 11/16/2011 05:17 AM, Julien Lavergne a écrit :
 The current Agenda will be available on 
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda. Feel,free to add items 
 to discuss to the next meeting. If we don't have time to discuss all of them, 
 items will be postponed to the next meeting.

Just a reminder, there is a IRC meeting tonight, be sure to add the
items you want to discuss to the agenda :
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/IRC%20Meetings/Agenda

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Adding powerpc ISO for 12.04 ?

2011-11-23 Thread Julien Lavergne
Hi again,

There are some requests to add a powerpc version of Lubuntu ISO. We
didn't do this in the past because there was no testers for the ISO.

It seems that people are interesting to use it and to test it during the
12.04 development cycle. If the persons could confirm me this interest,
I can request to add powerpc to the list of Lubuntu version.

To be official, the powerpc ISO needs be tested during Alpha, Beta and
Final ISO testing. You can see the procedure on the wiki :
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures It's quite simple, and
doesn't require any technical skills. Of course, I can help people
during the testing period if they want.

Let me know if there are still an interest for testing this ISO, so we
can start the tests with Alpha 1 (next week).

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Minutes from the Lubuntu Team meeting on 2011-11-23

2011-11-23 Thread Julien Lavergne
Hi,

You can find the log of the meeting on
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Meetings/2023

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lxde-list] Roadmap: Bugs to fix before pcmanfm 1.0 release.

2011-11-19 Thread Julien Lavergne
On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 03:49:58 +0800
PCMan pcman...@gmail.com wrote:

 I just took hours and cleaned up the bug tracker of pcmanfm and did some
 triage for all of the opened bugs today.
 Here are the remaining ones I'm going to fix for 1.0 release.
 
 https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?limit=100func=group_id=156956atid=801864assignee=status=1category=artgroup=keyword=submitter=artifact_id=assignee=status=1category=artgroup=557433submitter=keyword=artifact_id=submit=Filtermass_category=mass_priority=mass_resolution=mass_assignee=mass_artgroup=mass_status=mass_cannedresponse=_visit_cookie=411641f74b63b494a940e7e7b370a98d
 
 The other ones are categorized and labeled with 1.1, 1.5, and 2.0
 respectively.

Thanks :)
I saw that you can't reproduce some of the bugs I reported. Maybe you can test 
on a Live-CD or in a virtualbox install ? But in this situation, what 
information is useful for you and needed to be reported for these bugs ?

Regards,
Julien Lavergne  

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lxde-list] Roadmap: Bugs to fix before pcmanfm 1.0 release.

2011-11-19 Thread Julien Lavergne
On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 15:48:18 +0100
Martin Bagge / brother brot...@bsnet.se wrote:

 Lubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule (draft!?)
 The next Ubuntu release is a LTS, long term commitment and all that.
 February 16 at 21:00 UTC is the freeze, bugs and minor changes are
 generally accepted later on. Beta 2 freeze is set to the 22nd of March
 and more or less marks the final step to get things in. Only security
 updates are accepted beyond here.
2 dates are important in our schedules :
- February 16: No new features (bug fixes and translations are still OK)
- April 12th: No change. Bug fixes (only for critical bugs) need validation 
after this date.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

2011-11-19 Thread Julien Lavergne
On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 01:25:16 +0800
PCMan pcman...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is it possible to keep an unofficial kernel for old abandoned cpus in
 lubuntu ppa, if there are people willing to maintain it?
No, it's too complex to properly maintain a kernel.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

2011-11-19 Thread Julien Lavergne
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:10:12 -0800
Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm wrote:

 *If* this proposed change makes it impractical to run on a Pentium II,
 we need to stand up and be counted.  If (as I suspect) it only prevents
 use on Pentium I, really old AMD, VIA C3 and Geode, then ... that's a
 much smaller population of still-working computers, and I suggest we
 let it slide.
It's the point. Even the kernel team was not able to determine the range of 
hardware affected. If we can confirm that it's only this CPU (which, I think, 
was already dropped for 10.10), no need to fight.

Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

2011-11-19 Thread Julien Lavergne
On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 11:43:32 +1000
Jared Norris jrnor...@gmail.com wrote:

 So to this end, my question is, is there a simple command people can
 run to see if their CPU can run PAE kernels? I would have thought if
 cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep pae would not give any output if the CPUs
 weren't capable? I'm not an expert so just wanting to confirm. That
 way, instead of just complaining we can request users run this, see if
 they will be affected and report back. We can then generate a team
 stance and report back to the Ubuntu developers with some real data.
That's sound like a good plan, to be able to gather more information. I hope 
this support will not be dropped for 12.04, it will give us some time, until 
12.10 when they will ask the same question for this support ...

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

2011-11-19 Thread Julien Lavergne
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 21:47:19 -0800
Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm wrote:

 We already told the community we would support Lubuntu 10.04 as an LTS,
 so we should keep that commitment (though I don't think we are doing a
 very good job of it, to be honest!).  But we made a commitment, so we
 should do what we can to honour it.  That is not in question here.
Correction, we told the community that we will try to keep 10.04 up-to-date as 
long as we can, eventually like a LTS. And yes, so far, it's not very good.

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

2011-11-18 Thread Julien Lavergne
I forgot to forward this mail from ubuntu-devel, it may have an impact on 
Lubuntu since we shared the same kernel.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

Begin forwarded message:

Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 14:43:28 -0700
From: Tim Gardner tim.gard...@canonical.com
To: Ubuntu Kernel Team kernel-t...@lists.ubuntu.com,  
ubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin


Per discussion at UDS the kernel team is proposing to drop the non-PAE 
i386 flavour. The upgrade path for non-PAE users will be the PAE kernel. 
Those CPUs that do not have i686 and PAE support will be orphaned. To 
the best of my knowledge, these include Intel CPUs prior to Pentium II, 
400Mhz Pentium M, VIA C3, and Geode LX. As far as I know, there are no 
laptop or desktop class CPUs being produced that do not meet these 
minimum requirements.

Before I do something that is difficult to revert, I would like to hear 
from the development community why we should continue to maintain a 
kernel flavour that is (in my opinion) getting increasingly low 
utilization. It is my feeling that an extremely high percentage of users 
of the non-PAE kernel have a CPU that is PAE capable.

If there is sufficient community demand (and support), I would be 
willing to sponsor the first non-PAE kernel upload to Universe.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Specs/PreciseKernelConfigReview

We'll be conducting a similar survey for powerpc.

rtg

P.S. For those of you that are totally confused by this email, PAE 
(Physical Address Extension) was an addition to 32 bit x86 CPUs that 
allowed them to address more then 4GB physical memory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise Pangolin

2011-11-18 Thread Julien Lavergne
No, we have to rely on kernel in the repositories.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 19:43:45 +0300
Matthew Byers faintstlsa...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes it will affect Pentium II. Do we have options of compiling the
 kernel within lubuntu to continue support.
 
 2011/11/18 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) rafaellag...@gmail.com
 
  But there're Lubuntu users on Pentium II and similar machines. In fact
  they're happy an OS can handle those trashy computers and make them
  useable.
 
  Will this affect those users?
 
 
 
http://lubuntublog.blogspot.com/  http://www.lubuntu.net/
 
 
 
  2011/11/18 Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com
 
  I forgot to forward this mail from ubuntu-devel, it may have an impact on
  Lubuntu since we shared the same kernel.
 
  Regards,
  Julien Lavergne
 
  Begin forwarded message:
 
  Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 14:43:28 -0700
  From: Tim Gardner tim.gard...@canonical.com
  To: Ubuntu Kernel Team kernel-t...@lists.ubuntu.com,
  ubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com
  Subject: Dropping i386 non-PAE as a supported kernel flavour in Precise
  Pangolin
 
 
  Per discussion at UDS the kernel team is proposing to drop the non-PAE
  i386 flavour. The upgrade path for non-PAE users will be the PAE kernel.
  Those CPUs that do not have i686 and PAE support will be orphaned. To
  the best of my knowledge, these include Intel CPUs prior to Pentium II,
  400Mhz Pentium M, VIA C3, and Geode LX. As far as I know, there are no
  laptop or desktop class CPUs being produced that do not meet these
  minimum requirements.
 
  Before I do something that is difficult to revert, I would like to hear
  from the development community why we should continue to maintain a
  kernel flavour that is (in my opinion) getting increasingly low
  utilization. It is my feeling that an extremely high percentage of users
  of the non-PAE kernel have a CPU that is PAE capable.
 
  If there is sufficient community demand (and support), I would be
  willing to sponsor the first non-PAE kernel upload to Universe.
 
  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Specs/PreciseKernelConfigReview
 
  We'll be conducting a similar survey for powerpc.
 
  rtg
 
  P.S. For those of you that are totally confused by this email, PAE
  (Physical Address Extension) was an addition to 32 bit x86 CPUs that
  allowed them to address more then 4GB physical memory.
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] logo

2011-11-17 Thread Julien Lavergne
Could you publish the logo on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Marketing, with 
different sizes ?
I'll do the change just after :)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:50:34 -
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 Please, Mario, CHANGE THE LOGO! :D
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Website lubuntu.net design

2011-11-17 Thread Julien Lavergne
Hi,

Since there are some interests in lubuntu.net, I made a wiki page to gather 
ideas about it. Feel free to add you ideas to 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Marketing/Website_Plan. We can after decide a 
plan for the website.

Thanks.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Launchpad: Reminder about lubuntu-desktop's PPAs

2011-11-17 Thread Julien Lavergne
Thanks Mario.

Currently, the situation is not very nice, the mailing list is not open 
anymore, and the PPA is too common. We have to change the mailing or the PPA 
location, or both.

About the mailing list, the best solution is probably to swith to one (or 1 for 
user help, and 1 for devel ?) on https://lists.ubuntu.com/, since it's a more 
standart mailing list (no need to be member of the team).

The PPA will probably diseapears with the time, we need more specialized PPAs, 
instead of one with many varous stuff in it.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:42:52 +0700
Mario Behling m...@mariobehling.de wrote:

 Dear all,
 
 Launchpads/Canonical policies demand that the lubuntu team becomes
 moderated. More info below. I had to change the group to moderated.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Mario
 
 
 -- Forwarded message --
 From: Steve Kowalik steve.kowa...@canonical.com
 Date: Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 7:25 AM
 Subject: Launchpad: Reminder about lubuntu-desktop's PPAs
 
 
 Last week we wrote to tell you that on 2011-11-23 we will be changing the
 membership policy of your Launchpad team lubuntu-desktop to moderated.
 We're doing this to protect the people who use that team's Personal Package
 Archive (PPA).
 
 Right now, lubuntu-desktop has an open membership policy, meaning anyone
 can join the team and upload potentially malicious packages to the PPA.
 
 We strongly recommend that you change your team's membership policy now and
 audit the team's membership to make sure that you trust each member.
 
 You can change the team's membership policy here:
 
  https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-desktop/+edit
 
 Otherwise, you can delete the team's PPA and retain the open membership
 policy.
 
 Before you can create a new team PPA, a team's membership policy must be
 either moderated or restricted. Your team was created before we improved
 the security around team PPAs.
 
 These changes won't have any affect on the team's current members. However
 it does mean that you'll have to approve new team members.
 
 There's more about Launchpad's team membership policies here:
 
  https://help.launchpad.net/Teams/CreatingAndRunning
 
 Email feedb...@launchpad.net if you have any questions.
 
 Thanks,
 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] lubuntu-bug

2011-11-16 Thread Julien Lavergne
On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 21:25:04 -0800
∅ maps.backw...@gmail.com wrote:

 I was using ubuntu-bug the other day to file a bug report. Ultimately 
 the bug seemed to be traced back to the default settings of Lubuntu. Of 
 course, in Launchpad, the bug is against Ubuntu and not Lubuntu. I think 
 more than a few of us have seen that installing Ubuntu, adding the 
 lubuntu-desktop meta package, and then removing the unnecessary stuff is 
 not the same as a fresh Lubuntu install. That being said, it seems to me 
 that this is a little misleading and perhaps inappropriate. What is true 
 for Lubuntu is not necessarily true for Ubuntu and vice versa. This 
 seems consistent with Elbuntu, for example, which shows up in the list 
 of distros on Launchpad. That being said, what about having Lubuntu 
 listed in the distro list and perhaps creating a *l*ubuntu-bug wrapper 
 for apport. Thoughts?

It is the way Launchpad works, all derivatives are under Ubuntu, because we 
share the same reporitories. The others distributions lised in Launchpad are 
outside the Ubuntu family.

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Following development of Lubuntu 12.04

2011-11-14 Thread Julien Lavergne
Hi again,

I have a bit more time to explain how you can follow the development of Lubuntu 
12.04.

The first source of information is here : 
http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/group/topic-precise-flavor-lubuntu.html

It shows the advancement and the tasks planned for 12.04.

To edit the tasks, you need to go to each blueprints, in Contributing 
Blueprints section. See also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WorkItemsHowto to how you 
can edit the tasks.

Another important page is the Schedule, which is shared with Ubuntu and other 
derivatives : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule . For 
example, FeatureFreeze is the date when no more feature should be added.

You also subscribe to changes done on Ubuntu : 
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Precise-changes

With this, you should be pretty much up-to-date :)

Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lubuntu 12.04] My Suggestions

2011-11-14 Thread Julien Lavergne

This is some comments about some proposals you made. Some concerns are probably 
shared among the community, so it's not useless that I answer some of them :

LTS :
Again, it's not a choice which depends on the users, but a decision made by the 
developers. Of course I would like to be LTS, like I would like to buy an 
expensive car. The fact is, we can't. And even if we try, it could be so 
expensive that it will block us to do new cool stuff, because we have to 
maintain 12.04.

Applications by default :
The policy is to keep existing applications, unless we think there are serious 
reasons to switch. In this case, we open a discussion, case by case, on the 
mailing list. Changing application by default is not something we should do 
often. People who rely on them expect stability. The others can just install 
what they want (they have the skills to do this). 

Bug reports :
Some suggestions you made should be bug reports, not suggestions. Adding them 
on the forum will not help developers to fix them. We already have not enough 
time to look at all the bugs, so I'm sure we will have no time to look at them 
on a forum, or IRC.

Finally, some of your suggestions was already discussed in the past. I don't 
know how we can do to avoid the same subjects to come over and over ...

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 00:38:21 +0400
amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello Julien,
 
 Hope it's not too late for me to send some suggestions for Lubuntu 12.04 :)
 I was so busy lately and couldn't have some free time until last night
 beside I'm a bit sick these days.
 
 *My suggestions*:
 http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11447159postcount=94
 
 *Original thread*: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1870442
 
 In case I want to add more, shall I update my post or send them through
 this email?
 
 Thank you!
 
 P.S.
 If there is any kind of updates about 12.04, please let me know. Thanks!
 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Weekly meetings - Finding the right time

2011-11-14 Thread Julien Lavergne
yes, I forgot to check with the fridge. According to this, we will probably 
need to push it to 8 PM, or on Tuesday 6 PM.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 13:45:15 +0100
Chris cyber.dr...@gmail.com wrote:

 If we want the meeting in #ubuntu-meeting (which is preferred I think) then
 we should go an hour later. There is already a meeting every week from
 Unity Contributors Team Meeting. Check the Fridge to see which times are
 still available for #ubuntu-meeting.
 
 I think the time is pretty good, but that is for my time-zone.
 
 With metta, Chris
 
 On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 11:18, mohi mohanc...@ubuntu.com wrote:
 
  On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Benny Hult hul...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Are we going to use #lubuntu(-offtopic) or #ubuntu-meeting?
  
 
  It will be better if we have it in #ubuntu-meeting.
 
   Time is great for me, cycling it aint bad idea either when thinking
   about people living on the other side of the planet, like asia or
   western side of the america.
 
  It will be better if we decide about cycling time after seeing the
  members present for the meeting
 
  Julien Lavergne kirjoitti 14.11.2011 9:43:
   Hi,
   I think we have enough topics to start on a weekly base, but we can do
   it less often in the future, if it's not necessary.
  
 
  Exactly, we need topics atleast one day before the meeting so that
  each can come forward and out the opinions.
 
 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lubuntu 12.04] My Suggestions

2011-11-13 Thread Julien Lavergne
On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 22:29:46 -0800
Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm wrote:

 Julien,
 
 On 11/12/2011 09:15 PM, Julien Lavergne wrote:
 
  Just a quick note, you can now follow progress of Lubuntu development
  on status.ubuntu.com.
 
 Oh, nice :)  That's a lot prettier than the wiki page and blueprint text.
 
 I've packaged Viewnior 1.1, using its original tarball (there is a
 package done by its author, but it was done as a native package with
 sources, changes and /debian all in one special tarball... confused
 me!).  Once I test it a bit more, I'll contact the author and let him
 know, and see if I can find a friendly DD to sponsor an upload into
 Debian for us.  We need to do the Debian first thing with new packages
 like this, right?
Do you contact the person who owns the ITP of Viewnior ? Maybe he is still 
working on it ? 


 How do I tell LP (and status.launchpad.net) that I am working on an
 item, such as this one?  Can I assign myself work items somehow?
You need to edit the blueprint, go the Work Items section, and put your name 
(launchpad login) at the begin of the line.
See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WorkItemsHowto
 
 On bugs, I seem to have come up with a usable fix for bug #889414 .  A
 change to the rc.xml in lubuntu-default-settings.  Do I have commit
 rights to the git or bzr tree for that, or should I propose a merge to a
 branch, or just do it the traditional way and upload a debdiff?
Thanks, you can push the change directly to the LP branch, I'll check it and 
upload it when I will find time to test it. There is probably more changes to 
do, to upgrade configuration file to openbox 3.5 format :(

 One more questions: the blueprint lubuntu-p-work-items says it is in
 Status: not started, but the status.launchpad.net screens show it is
 17% completed.  That does not seem to match up :)
Done.

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Weekly meetings - Finding the right time

2011-11-13 Thread Julien Lavergne
Hi,

One thing I would like to organize for this cycle, is a weekly meeting on IRC, 
to discuss topics more easily and to take decisions when it's needed.
I think we have enough topics to start on a weekly base, but we can do it less 
often in the future, if it's not necessary.

Finding a time for this is ... not very easy :) I don't want to do it during 
the week-end, to be all able to have a week-end far from IT and Internet 
connection :)

I also don't think we should change the time for every meetings, because it's 
the best solution to forget the meeting. But, we can change it after some time 
(like 3 months).

I propose to begin with this schedule : Wednesday, 7:00 PM UTC, starting on the 
23th.

It'll not be necessary to attempt all the meetings. You can attempt when you 
have subjects to discuss, but you can also adding a subject to the schedule, so 
people can discuss it even if you can't be online at this time.

Let me know what you think about this.

Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lubuntu 12.04] My Suggestions

2011-11-12 Thread Julien Lavergne
Hi,

Thanks for the list off suggestions, I'll have look at it.
I'll probably not be very available during the next few days, don't expect too 
much progress during the next week.

Just a quick note, you can now follow progress of Lubuntu development on 
status.ubuntu.com.

Regards,
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Le 13 nov. 2011 à 03:38, amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Hello Julien,
 
 Hope it's not too late for me to send some suggestions for Lubuntu 12.04 :)
 I was so busy lately and couldn't have some free time until last night beside 
 I'm a bit sick these days.
 
 My suggestions: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11447159postcount=94
 
 Original thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1870442
 
 In case I want to add more, shall I update my post or send them through this 
 email? 
 
 Thank you!
 
 P.S.
 If there is any kind of updates about 12.04, please let me know. Thanks!
 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Software Center News

2011-11-07 Thread Julien Lavergne
Hi,

Good to have some news from you :)

I done some testing during the UDS, and the results are not bad :) But I
imagine porting it to Vala + Packagekit will be even better :) I assume
the port to PackageKit is necessary before the Vala one, because I don't
think aptdaemon is available in Vala. Please focus on this one before
breaking the application in the rewrite.
Don't hesitate to publish your work in a separate branch, so people can
test and help you if it's necessary.

I also have some suggestions :
 * Use check-language-support after installing a package, to check if
language package need to be installed. By launching it, it should
display the packages that need to be installed
 * Add a timeout when using the search box, like 0.5s before starting to
display the results. On my system, I just have the time to enter 1
letter, and the CPU is at 100 % because the search started. If I have
the time to enter more letters, my search will be more accurate, and the
CPU will be used only when I need it.
 * Display only 20 (?) results for each view, and add a button Display
all results. It should reduce the first search, and don't use the CPU
to display hundreds of results.

Let me know if you need more info, or bug reports.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


Le 11/07/2011 04:31 PM, Stefano a écrit :
 As you can see, in these days, the lubuntu software center project is
 a little inactive, why?
 * I'm looking for the PackageKit APIs, to port LSC to PackageKit
 (PackageKit has also some utils to determinate applications-packages
 and so, we will be able to change it to Light Software Center and
 other non *buntu distros will be able to use it)
 * I'm looking for a Vala port, wich is not so difficult because the
 most of the code is simply Gtk, wich is just the same in Python and Vala
 * I've not so much spare time, so i need help, contributors, Vala and
 Packagekit experts and testers.

 also, i want to thank Rafael who is designing the LSC icon ;-)

 I think is all for the moment

 Best Regards

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 11/06/2011 09:24 AM, Ali Linx a écrit :

 Also, I think it's important to ask the users to vote for that, not
 only us. I can start a thread on Ubuntu Forum but I need to hear first
 from Julien and others about that.
Oh please don't, I imagine the mess and trolls for this tread :)
And also, it's not only a question of popularity, we need to consider
other aspects.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 11/06/2011 08:45 AM, Jonathan Marsden a écrit :
 If (and this is a big IF) these results are similar to those in Lubuntu
 on low-RAM machines, it might indeed be time to rethink use of Chromium.
Yes, it missed 2 points :
- memory management on Linux (we can't rely on Windows one to do proper
comparison on Linux)
- memory usage on a limited device

At least, it shows that Firefox is probably much better than when we
done the switch to Chromium.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Julien Lavergne
Thanks for the tests. You can also use about:memory of Chromium, to have
a second source of information.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

Le 11/06/2011 04:16 PM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset a écrit :
 Just to get an idea, i've installed and run on my new laptop Epiphany
 3.0.4, Firefox 7.0.1, Chromium 14.0.835, Midori 0.4.0.
 Here's what i get with two facebook tabs + gmail:

 Firefox: 268,7MB ram | 0% CPU
 Epiphany: 261,3MB ram | 0-1% CPU
 Midori: 225,6MB ram | 0-2% CPU
 Chromium: 69+19,8+6,1MB ram (94,9) | 0,0,0% CPU

 I'm impress with chromium... maybe there's another process i'm
 missing? (i've only looked at the processes called chromium-browser)

 The faster to open is from far Midori (And the one that has less
 dependencies).

 I'll try later those four on my Pentium 3 machine...

 @ALI, is there a specific way that you're gonna make your
 benchmarks? I'm saying it so we can compare our results :)

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-06 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 11/06/2011 05:52 PM, PCMan a écrit :
 Since midori, epiphany, and chromium all uses webkit, what makes so
 many differences?
As far as I know, Chromium uses a patched webkit, that's probably why
the tests could be different between midori, epiphany and chromium.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Firefox instead of Chromium?

2011-11-05 Thread Julien Lavergne
Hi,

I'm not very fan of a change unless we have a strong consensus for another 
browser. But, this is my opinion :
- We should only consider Chromium or Firefox, because they have a strong 
upstream and are well maintained. Browser is a very important part of a system, 
and we really don't have time to do maintenance on it. Adopting Midori for 
example, means we have to do the maintenance on Ubuntu (triage bugs, testing, 
maybe some packaging ...).
- Benchmark are needed, because just saying it's light, doesn't mean it's 
always light. Also, the memory usage for Chromium is special, because it shares 
memory (there is an article from a dev of Chromium somewhere in the Web which 
explain it).
- Finally, it needs to be light on old hardware. Remember, it's the main target 
for Lubuntu. So far, Chromium seems better on this type of machine.

So far, I don't see advantages to switch to Firefox. Of course, if the 
benchmarks show a real difference, I may reconsider my opinion.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 15:47:26 +0100
A. Andjelkovic andjelko...@gmail.com wrote:

 I wanted to bring up the discussion about replacing Chromium with Firefox
 in 12.04.
 I'm not sure if this was discussed on UDS, but in my opinion, this is worth
 looking into.
 
 Firefox has reduced it's memory usage dramatically, and I'm currently
 trying out Firefox 7 as a replacement.
 I do not have detailed memory benchmarks (yet!), but I will definitely do
 some benchmarks in the near future.
 However, I'm pretty sure Firefox has better (lower) memory usage when
 having several tabs open (more than 3).
 
 Other reasons to switch:
 GTK3
 Better desktop integration (Chromium themeing is limited and hard to
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu - One Stop Thread

2011-11-04 Thread Julien Lavergne
Hi,

I don't think all the sources are incompatible.
I'm agree that wiki should be the knowledge base, and the reference for all the 
documentation. However, having a forum thread for a bookmark purpose and 
chatting is also useful, as long as it points to wiki pages, and people are 
encourage to contribute to the wiki. Having useful answer or info in a post 
will be lost if nobody save it on the wiki.
Even Askubuntu can be used, with some links to the wiki also.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

On Fri, 4 Nov 2011 10:57:03 +0400
Ali Linx amjja...@gmail.com wrote:

 Note: This is for everyone so lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net :)
 
 Dear ALL,
 
 First thing I've been told when I joined back in August is to learn how to
 be patient so please, be patient :)
 
 Appearances could be deceiving ;)
 One Stop Thread has started as 2 HOWTOs for Lubuntu, that's all. I then
 figured out that Lubuntu Users need something a little bit beyond so there
 came One Stop Thread. After my thread became sticky, that motivated me even
 more to go beyond but I'm just waiting the right moment as I have huge
 personal issues on real life that I must deal with it before anything else
 but I'm actually ignoring and focusing on the best thing I love to do in
 life, that is Linux.
 
 What am I talking about?
 One Stop Thread is just the first step towards something bigger and much
 more useful.
 Last night, I made a banner using Photoshop (sorry, can't use GIMP at the
 moment - I'm faster on Photoshop) and I made it for a purpose. If you will
 have a look, you'll understand the whole point of having One Stop Thread
 and the real primary purpose of it :)
 
 Check : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1844755
 You'll see the banner at the very beginning :)
 
 I'm trying to see the reactions of people and so far, they loved it. Then,
 I'm going to improve it on daily basis. Then, I'm going even beyond that
 but again, please be patient.
 
 However, I DO REALLY REALLY REALLY APPRECIATE all what you have mentioned
 and I'll take that into consideration. One thing that you guys need to know
 is, One Stop Thread is NOT meant to be a place where people start posting
 about their problems and expect an answer. I know this is what is happening
 right now but if you notice, these are general questions. Above all, I can
 NOT ask people NOT to post over there because that is against the real
 purpose of my thread. However, what I can do is to keep it simple and short
 and organized as much as possible and I do have some plans for that but
 again, wait please :)
 
 I found myself helpful more on the forum. This is what I've been doing for
 a year even before joining Lubuntu Team so I'll carry on with that :)
 I also founded very interesting to update the Wiki Area and keep it up to
 date. However, the real question is: Do you guys want the Wiki Pages to be
 our Primary Source of Information? be careful because that means the Wiki
 Area will be much bigger than what it looks like now.
 If you have a plan to make it as good as Arch Wiki (which has almost
 everything about Arch) then I'm more than ready but ... I'm doing many
 other things like Forum, Testing, etc etc and I don't want to lose my focus
 on that. More people must be involved on the Wiki Pages IMHO.
 
 For me, Forum is much easier to maintain and then I update the Wiki
 Pages accordingly.
 Also, Traffic on Forum is much more.
 Above all, I don't really feel comfortable when I browse our Wiki because I
 feel there is something missing. I think the whole thing needs to be
 reviewed and re-organized. IMHO of course.
 
 Another thing is: www.lubuntu.net must be back to action again. I see NO
 POINT of re-directing the page to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
 
 I have asked before if I can update it and I've been told that this access
 can't be given to new people. Understood. But someone must take the
 responsibility and focus on our website. As a user, I don't feel happy when
 the page re-direct to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
 
 You see I have tons of ideas but I'm not sure yet when to discuss all that?
 I'm still doing that here on the mailing list but I guess we need some
 other place.
 
 In the mean time, I prefer to focus on what I'm doing and not to do many
 things at one time.
 
 I'm really glad to get all these replies from you, that means a lot to me,
 seriously :)
 I promise that I'll do my best to provide the best to everyone in this
 community and one thing you need to know about me is that when I go extra
 miles, I really go EXTRA MILES so don't worry about me. However, I can't do
 everything alone, I need more people to be involved. I do love team work.
 That's why I made another thread: Lubuntu One Stop Group.
 
 Everyone here is doing great job, no doubt about it but we need to be
 little bit more organized and each one of us focus on one or two things,
 not everything. That will increase our performance in no time. Again, just
 my humble personal opinion

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] PPC

2011-11-04 Thread Julien Lavergne
Hi,

Sorry for the delay.
I didn't understand if you tested the last PPC ISO from daily build or not ? If 
it's working, it can be considered as an unofficial ISO.
Also, it's possible to make it official for 12.04, but we need people available 
to test Alpha and Beta ISO, during ISO testing process.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

On Tue, 01 Nov 2011 21:21:13 -0700
∅ maps.backw...@gmail.com wrote:

 Before I invest much more time in it, what say you, Julien?
 
 On 11/1/11 8:18 AM, Phill Whiteside wrote:
  I have no problems mentioning it as a community build, but Julien ıs 
  better placed to check if it would cause problems on our 'Get Lubuntu' 
  page.
 
  Regards,
 
  Phillw
 
 
 
  On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 8:44 PM, maps.backw...@gmail.com 
  mailto:maps.backw...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  i know we've talked briefly about deferring any ppc builds but i
  was hoping (if not for any other reason, but to help further
  development of the unofficial and unsupported port) to post up on
  the wiki my methodology to install and get current using the most
  current ppc build at
  http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/20111011/.
 
  all in favor, say aye. all against, nay.
 
  if worse comes to worst and we'd rather not suggest ppc on the
  wiki, then i can always throw something on ubuntu forums but i
  personally tend to give more weight to the wiki than the forums.
 
  i'll add that i've been running mintppc as well and it is
  fantastic out of the box-- even better than debian ppc. i'm hoping
  to hack into the config files and see what's under the hood and
  see if i can't re-create it. possibly i might even be able to
  create an unattend file (mintppc install involves booting the
  debian netboot cd and issuing auto url=mintppc.org
  http://mintppc.org at the yaboot prompt) to make things even
  easier. if anyone's interested at least!
 
  lastly, is there anything i can do to help with the ppc builds?
  despite canonical's lack of support for ppc, it is the perfect
  platform for a lightweight linux like lubuntu, so i'm motivated to
  help make it happen.
 
  wxl/walter
 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: End of support for Ubuntu 10.04 (Lucid Lynx) Netbook and ARM - 2011/10/29

2011-11-04 Thread Julien Lavergne
No, but you probably noticed that the backporting was quite slow recently.
Also, pcmanfm is still broken using the backports, so the situation is not 
really good right now :(

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

On Sun, 30 Oct 2011 12:20:36 +0200
Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

 Hi guys,
 
 does this affect our backporting of stuff to the 10.04 release?
 
 Thanks,
 
 Phill.
 
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 Subject: End of support for Ubuntu 10.04 (Lucid Lynx) Netbook and ARM -
 2011/10/29
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 Cc: ubuntu-rele...@lists.ubuntu.com
 
 
 Ubuntu announced the 10.04 Netbook Edition and Ubuntu for ARM products
 18 months ago, on April 29, 2010.   At that time, Ubuntu committed to
 ongoing security and critical fixes for a period of 18 months for these
 specific products.
 
 This support period is now ending, and on October 29, 2011 the 10.04
 Netbook Edition and Ubuntu for ARM products will no longer be supported.
 Ubuntu 10.04 LTS Desktop and Server products continue to be supported.
 
 The upgrade path from Ubuntu 10.04 Netbook and ARM is to Ubuntu 10.10.
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 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MaverickUpgrades.
 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] PPC

2011-11-04 Thread Julien Lavergne
On Fri, 04 Nov 2011 08:24:57 -0700
∅ maps.backw...@gmail.com wrote:

 At the time I wrote to the list, the only available PPC ISO was an old 
 daily, NOT the most current. Also, there still has never been an 
 official release build of Oneiric. At this time, I see 12.04 in the 
 dailies. So I'd be happy to test that but I'd like to write instructions 
 for Oneiric. Any chance of getting an official release build?
What do you mean by old ? If it's around October 10, it's the last daily build 
of Oneiric, so the most up-to-date you can have for 11.10. It's not possible to 
have an official release for Oneiric, you can only try to use the last ISO.

For 12.04, you can test dailies later (it's not useful right now, it's too 
early in the cycle). It's more important to test ISO before developement 
release (Alpha, Beta ...).

Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New LXKeymap version with autostart support

2011-11-02 Thread Julien Lavergne
Hi Leszek,

Thank you :) Yes it will be very useful :)
However, there is a problem with this implementation : it will need to start 
python at each start up, to only change the keymap. I'll prefer to have a 
script to do this, it should be faster.
I also plan to implement it in lxsession, so it could be solution a bit faster, 
so both solutions will be available.

Regards,
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On Wed, 02 Nov 2011 15:33:57 +0100
Leszek Lesner leszek.les...@web.de wrote:

 Hi,
 
 as I got a lot of requests to implement an autostart feature for
 lxkeymap I did it.
 LXKeymap 0.5 is now capable to store its keymap configuration into a
 file that it reads out during autostart.
 Therefore I wrote a little *.desktop file that I put in the global
 /etc/xdg/autostart which contains the new command lxkeymap -a to
 trigger the autostart function of lxkeymap. The Keymap configuration
 will be stored locally in your home directory ( ~/.config/lxkeymap.cfg)
 and is easily editable either by using lxkeymap and set a new keymap or
 by editing it by hand.
 You can get this version from here:
 http://content.wuala.com/contents/leszek/Dokumente/Share/lxkeymap_0.5-0ubuntu1_all.deb?dl=1
 
 If you notice any bugs then report them here: http://launchpad.net/lxkeymap
 
 Also I guess there is a bug in lxdm, because changing the keyboard
 layout in the session and logging out to lxdm does not restore the
 global keymap but uses the one choosen in the session.
 This could be also fixed by simply calling lxkeymap -a from within
 lxdm but as lxkeymap uses only a local configuration it would then
 create and use the root accounts .config/lxkeymap.cfg file. So you need
 to create this first by executing lxkeymap as root if you want to have a
 different keymap globally+lxdm and your user accounts.
 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Daily images

2011-11-02 Thread Julien Lavergne
On Wed, 02 Nov 2011 10:38:51 +0100
Pierre Gobin pierre.go...@sfr.fr wrote:

 I saw that the daily images for ubuntu 12.04 were here : 
 http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
 When daily images for lubuntu 12.04 will come out ? Will they come out 
 before the first alpha release ?
Be patient, they will arrive soon enough :)
However, I don't recommend to use daily yet, you probably want to wait the 
Alpha 1, and daylies after it.

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[Lubuntu-desktop] UDS sessions

2011-11-01 Thread Julien Lavergne
Hi,

Just a reminder, there is currently 2 sessions planned at the UDS for Lubuntu. 
The first one is in 2 hours, the second one this afternoon :
http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/2011-11-01/
I hope interested people will join :)

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] UDS sessions

2011-11-01 Thread Julien Lavergne
Just audio.
You can also particpate on the IRC chan : #ubuntu-uds-antigua3

On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 12:55:52 -0200
Gabriel Salles gabrielper...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is there any video, or is just audio??
 
 Regards,
 Gabriel Salles
 
 
 2011/11/1 Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com
 
  Hi,
 
  Just a reminder, there is currently 2 sessions planned at the UDS for
  Lubuntu. The first one is in 2 hours, the second one this afternoon :
  http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-p/2011-11-01/
  I hope interested people will join :)
 
  Regards,
  Julien Lavergne
 
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Users experience improvements - Summary of the session

2011-11-01 Thread Julien Lavergne
Hi,

This is a summary of the points we discussed during the session at UDS. It's a 
list of points I planned to implement for the next cycle : 

- Lightdm enable by default for Alpha 1
- Multi-screen configuration : not easy to configure with lxrandr. Solution : 
Extend lxsession to accept configuration from other utility like arandr.
- Lxsession options / services : Add possibility to configure applications by 
default, and to enable them or not (screensaver, power-management ...)
- lubuntu-software-center : Add by default, but keep synaptic.

I may have more time to do more items, but I can't guaranty it. You can find 
the list of other possible items on the blueprint : 
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-lubuntu-p-users-experience

If anyone have questions or concerns, please send a mail to the mailing. We 
have another session this afternoon, so we can discuss those topics during it.

The plan is to close the discussions on main changes during the week of the 
UDS, to start working earlier on those items.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Users experience improvements - Summary of the session

2011-11-01 Thread Julien Lavergne
Sure :)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 22:31:28 +0400
Ali Linx amjja...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Julien,
 
 Shall I post this email of yours in my thread on Ubuntu Forum?
 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1870442
 
 Waiting for your confirmation :)
 
 Thanks!
 
 On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:
 
  Hi,
 
  This is a summary of the points we discussed during the session at UDS.
  It's a list of points I planned to implement for the next cycle :
 
  - Lightdm enable by default for Alpha 1
  - Multi-screen configuration : not easy to configure with lxrandr.
  Solution : Extend lxsession to accept configuration from other utility like
  arandr.
  - Lxsession options / services : Add possibility to configure applications
  by default, and to enable them or not (screensaver, power-management ...)
  - lubuntu-software-center : Add by default, but keep synaptic.
 
  I may have more time to do more items, but I can't guaranty it. You can
  find the list of other possible items on the blueprint :
  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-lubuntu-p-users-experience
 
  If anyone have questions or concerns, please send a mail to the mailing.
  We have another session this afternoon, so we can discuss those topics
  during it.
 
  The plan is to close the discussions on main changes during the week of
  the UDS, to start working earlier on those items.
 
  Regards,
  Julien Lavergne
 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New member, Michael Rawson

2011-10-31 Thread Julien Lavergne
Hi Michael, welcome here :)

If you want to help, we have a TODO page with various items :
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/TODO

Let me know if you have any questions regarding it, or the differents items :)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

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 Hi guys!
 
 I'm a new member, recruited by amjjawad (you probably know him!).
 
 Just like to say hello, and what a great new interface you have. (hey, 
 graphic designers, good job there!)
 
 Wiki page with contact details and things here: 
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MichaelRawson. Hope to help shortly, I have 
 modest coding and packaging skills and like writing documentation.
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New member, Michael Rawson

2011-10-31 Thread Julien Lavergne
Also, we are currently planning the work items for the next release, feel free 
to participate :) See details on 
https://lists.launchpad.net/lubuntu-desktop/msg05050.html

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

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 Hi guys!
 
 I'm a new member, recruited by amjjawad (you probably know him!).
 
 Just like to say hello, and what a great new interface you have. (hey, 
 graphic designers, good job there!)
 
 Wiki page with contact details and things here: 
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MichaelRawson. Hope to help shortly, I have 
 modest coding and packaging skills and like writing documentation.
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] - Lubuntu 12.04 on Ubuntu Forum - Suggestions

2011-10-31 Thread Julien Lavergne
Thanks :) There is already valuable feedbacks :)
Could you please add the 2 blueprints to the thread, so people will have of the 
information to participate ?
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-lubuntu-p-optimizations
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-lubuntu-p-users-experience

Thanks.

Regards,
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Ali Linx amjja...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello everyone :)
 
 As always, here is another thread on Ubuntu Forum:
 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1870442
 
 I didn't put my ideas yet but I'll do that very soon, hopefully.
 
 Thank you!
 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] - Lubuntu 12.04 on Ubuntu Forum - Suggestions

2011-10-31 Thread Julien Lavergne
It would be best to have them before the sessions. But we can discuss 
additionnal suggestions later this week.
I already noted some suggestions from the forum, I'll update the wiki page.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

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Ali Linx amjja...@gmail.com wrote:

 Julien,
 
 When is the dead line for suggestions? I mean, how much time do I have? I
 have many suggestions and I want to post that before it's too late :)
 
 Thanks!
 
 I'm sorry that I can't help in development but I promise I'll do my best in
 other areas.
 
 
 On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 8:49 PM, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:
 
  Thanks :) There is already valuable feedbacks :)
  Could you please add the 2 blueprints to the thread, so people will have
  of the information to participate ?
  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-lubuntu-p-optimizations
 
  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-lubuntu-p-users-experience
 
  Thanks.
 
  Regards,
  Julien Lavergne
 
  On Sat, 29 Oct 2011 23:02:13 +0400
  Ali Linx amjja...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Hello everyone :)
  
   As always, here is another thread on Ubuntu Forum:
   http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1870442
  
   I didn't put my ideas yet but I'll do that very soon, hopefully.
  
   Thank you!
  
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lubuntu 12.04] No LTS

2011-10-24 Thread Julien Lavergne
Hi,

Le 10/24/2011 04:55 PM, Pierre Gobin a écrit :

 I wanted to react about the fact that Lubuntu 12.04 will not be a LTS
 version. I think it is a really bad news. Is there really no chance
 that Lubuntu 12.04 be a LTS version ? Is the work too hard to maintain
 a version during 3 years ? 
Well, we don't really have the choice. Currently, I can't guarantee than
we will have people to maintain Lubuntu during 3 years. 3 years, it's
long, and we have barely enough devs to maintain current releases.

Previous LTS releases were Ubuntu and Kubuntu, because they had enought
devs on Ubuntu side (Ubuntu Desktop team and Kubuntu Team) and enough on
upstream team (GNOME and KDE). There are also companies support which
make easier the long term support.

However, as 12.04 will be a LTS for Ubuntu, we will do our best to
maintain as much as we can this release, as long as we can, but I can't
ensure the 3 years support.

I hope I answer your question.

Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fix horrible icons in guvcview

2011-10-23 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 10/23/2011 10:40 AM, Stefano a écrit :
 Hi, i've just fixed the horrible icons in guvcview, using gtk-themed images. 
 you can find the patch in lp:~stephen-smally/+junk/guvcview-fix-pixmaps

 Regards

 Stephen Smally

 P.S. i don't know if is well fixed, since is C and i don't knoe C really 
 well, also i've used 4 spaces instead tab, but as dar as i know the c 
 compiler doesn't care of space identation
Thanks Stefano :)
Could you please report it to upstream :
http://sourceforge.net/p/guvcview/tickets/
I'm sure they will be interested by your patch, and eventually advises
you if the fix is not correct.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Future - Target Market

2011-10-23 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 10/22/2011 07:01 PM, Ali Linx a écrit :
 Being around on Ubuntu Forum, I see MANY are converting to
 LXDE/Lubuntu. However, I see one major issue and I'm trying to find a
 way to solve it but not sure how long I need for that. The problem is:
 People don't know much about LXDE and Lubuntu. They think it's totally
 different world that VLC on their Unity or XFCE won't work on LXDE so
 they keep asking such questions. I've seen many questions like that.

 I think we must promote for LXDE more. Lots of work must be done here
 if you ask me.
 One step ahead IMHO is to improve our Wiki and Documentation system.
 I'm trying to develop an approach I already have started with some
 months ago but I need some time for that. I have my own vision of how
 to promote for LXDE and Lubutnu.
You can share your ideas with the team, maybe people will be interested
to help :)
Personally, I started to communicate / advertise a bit more since the
11.10 release, and I hope to increase this during this cycle.


 Another step ahead is having more members with groups, each group is
 in charge of ONE TASK. Having that said, members will stay focus and
 their productivity will be higher.
Why not making a Marketing Team, and organize yourself the different
tasks ? This is part of my thought regarding the organization of the
team :
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/P-Plan#Spec_organization .
I'm sure Mario Behling or Raphael Laguna will be happy to help too :)

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Future - Target Market

2011-10-22 Thread Julien Lavergne

Le 21 oct. 2011 à 01:52, Rob maki...@gmail.com a écrit :

 So, I guess I have a philosophical question to ask of the Lubuntu developers; 
  where do you want to take Lubuntu and what do you want to achieve in coming 
 releases?

The priorities are optimizations and stabilizations, and adding most needed and 
wanted features. I personally don't think we should compare us with other 
distros (even Xubuntu). We have a goal, Xubuntu has another, let's just trying 
to do our best to improve ourselft for our users :)

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] samba support missing from command line?

2011-10-22 Thread Julien Lavergne

Le 21 oct. 2011 à 23:15, maps.backw...@gmail.com a écrit :

 phillw asked me to send this along. 
 
 anywho, i tried to connect to a Samba share and couldn't browse to it via Go 
  Network Drives  Windows Network (errors Failed to retrieve share list 
 from server and then The specified location is not mounted) but could get 
 to it via smb:// URI. 
 
 however, i really wanted to browse in lxterminal, so i proceeded to:
 sudo mount -t cifs //server/share /mnt
 and it failed. upon installing smbfs, no problems.
 
 i guess the real question is whether or not this is a bug. if we intend CLI 
 to support Samba natively, then this should be a part of lubuntu-core, else 
 we should at least add it to the wiki and/or FAQ.
 
 wxl

See previous email of PCMan about it :

No, it's not a bug and smbfs is not needed, either.
GVFS, if properly installed with proper backends, should support smb.
If you can use gvfs-ls or gvfs-* commands to handle smb:// paths, then it's a 
bug of pcmanfm.
Otherwise, gvfs or other stuff is not correctly configured under lubuntu.

Could you please do the tests with gvfs and report back ?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu - One Stop Thread

2011-10-22 Thread Julien Lavergne

Le 21 oct. 2011 à 19:58, Ali Linx amjja...@gmail.com a écrit :

 
 Dear All,
 
 I think this will be the first Mega Lubuntu Thread on Ubuntu Forum. Since my 
 most activities on the Forum and because I'm trying to put together 
 everything related to Lubuntu in one place, I have decided to create this 
 thread:
 
 http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1844755
 
 Before, it was just a thread with two guides but now, it has another purpose 
 and aim.
 
 Thank you!
 
 P.S.
 Needless to say that your contributions will be highly appreciated ;)
 

Good idea, thanks for your work :)
Please also keep links on the wiki to this thread, so people searching on the 
documentation can find easily this valuable source of information.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Roadmap for 12.04

2011-10-18 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 10/18/2011 05:22 PM, Rob Peters a écrit :
 1.  Gnome 2 and xubuntu allow a user to create a launcher anywhere on
 the desktop without having to build a .desktop file.  Gnome 3 dropped
 this feature and its a pain.  Now, if your going to attract windows
 users most everyone's desktop I see is littered with folders and icons.
 So, my desire would be to adopt the xubuntu solution that allows for a
 right-click on the desk to open a launcher constructor.
I added an item about this. There is a patch to implement it, we will
probably have time to look at it.


 2.  Searching for files and file content is a big issue for lots of
 windows users.  I needed to install the gnome-search-tool to do this. 
 An easier solution?
Someone proposed catfish, but it seems to be now not maintained. Unless
pcmanfm gain support for searching soon, we will have to add an utility
for this.

 I know that themes are a very subjective area.  For me personally, I
 thought the 11.04 default theme was a big winner.  The blue panel with
 white text was sharp (IMO) along with the box headers. I am not so
 impressed with the standards 11.10 theme.  So, when you change the
 theme form one release to the other can you include the prior theme
 for people who don't like the new one.  
Already in our TODO list :)

Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Roadmap for Lubuntu 12.04

2011-10-18 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 10/17/2011 11:34 PM, Julien Lavergne a écrit :
 Personally, I have 3 topics in mind, and I started to write some notes
 about them on a wiki page :
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/P-Plan
I registered 2 blueprints for discussion at the UDS, be sure to
subscribe them to follow progress on them :
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-lubuntu-p-optimizations
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-lubuntu-p-users-experience

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Roadmap for Lubuntu 12.04

2011-10-17 Thread Julien Lavergne
Hi,

We just released 11.10, but it also means that 12.04 development
started. It will be the first development cycle after adoption of
Lubuntu in Ubuntu family, which come with some consequences.

Firstly, we will have the same schedule than Ubuntu :
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PreciseReleaseSchedule.

Secondly, we can use UDS to discuss plans for 12.04, new features etc
... I would like to use this summit to decide our roadmap for the 12.04,
and take decisions we usually took later in the cycle, like new
applications by default, new features planned etc ... But, I still want
to discuss the differents topics on the mailing before the UDS, to have
input from everyones. For the record, UDS starts the 31 October, and
finishes the 5 November.

Personally, I have 3 topics in mind, and I started to write some notes
about them on a wiki page :
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/P-Plan

1. Optimizations :
 * Remove unnecessary depends (gconf, glade, other gnome old library ?)
 * Evaluate a first move to GTK3 (because there will be less maintenance
/ optimization on GTK2 now)
 * Optimize the theme

2. User experience :
 * Add missing features easy to implement and which make our users happy :)
 * Provide new shiny stuff (lubuntu-software-center, catfish ...)
 * Fix issues which are here since too much time (keymap switch,
screensaver ...)

3. Team Organisation :
 * Find a way to organize and coordinate our work
 * Find a way to welcome new members / contributors
 
Also, an important detail is that Ubuntu 12.04 will be an LTS version,
but Lubuntu will NOT be an LTS. The main reason is because LTS needs
support, update and security fixes for 3 years, which is not possible
for Lubuntu team (too much work). However, it should not stop us to make
12.04 the better release Lubuntu ever :)

If you have any other topics to mention, please speak now :) It's the
perfect moment for asking and discussion. But please, open a new topic
on the mailing list, with [12.04] in the title, so it will be easier to
follow the discussions.

Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] YEAH!

2011-10-17 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 10/15/2011 12:06 PM, Ali Linx a écrit :
 http://i56.tinypic.com/zmcxsy.jpg

Usually behaviour after a release or big announcement. We are currently
#5, and I think our best rank is #3 :)
Still, it's not something to take too seriously ... but still nice :p

Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] notification-properties and notification-daemon

2011-10-16 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 10/16/2011 04:11 PM, Ali Linx a écrit :
 On 11.10, when I type: *notification-properties* in LXTerminal, it
 says command not found. On 11.04, it works out of the box.
Because the author of notification-daemon drop the support for
configuration, for the version in 11.10.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] System won't boot in 11.10

2011-10-15 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 10/14/2011 08:00 PM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset a écrit :
 Sorry, sudo start lxdm says lxdm/running, process 3228
 Here's a brief of what startx sends:
 (EE) failed to load module fglrx (module does not exist, 0)
 (II) [KMS] drm report modesetting isn't supported
 (EE) Radeon(0): Chipset: SUMO (ChipID=0x9641) requires KMS
 (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration
 Fatal server error: no screens found. 
Could you try to boot again the Live-CD, press F6 on the splash screen,
check nomodeset, and boot ?

Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] System won't boot in 11.10

2011-10-15 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 10/15/2011 01:50 PM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset a écrit :

 The results above are the product of this:
 - start the livecd with nomodeset checked
 - typing startx in the line commands (X doesn't load :( )

 Should I create a bug in X? graphic drivers? where...?
Oups sorry, I didn't remember you already did that :/

Well, it seems that modesetting is not supported for this card, but ISO
can't run without modestting :(
You could report a bug against xserver-xorg-video-ati package, there is
clearly something wrong with this situation.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 11.10 Experience

2011-10-15 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 10/15/2011 01:58 PM, Rob a écrit :

 Second, the performance has taken a significant hit.  IMO, 11.10 boots
 slower, and seems to lag on any screen click.  Takes longer to launch
 applications, etc.  Thinking it was an upgrade issue I did a clean
 install and experienced the same behavior.  Also, as a minor point and
 I know this is really subjective and can be changed, but 11.04 had a
 better color for its default theme, blue top with white letters.  It
 was really classy. 
Boot is a problem for all Ubuntu releases, and work will be done in
12.04 to improve the situation.
For the lag, are you using xcompmgr for your tests ? Do you test without
it ? Maybe it's a driver regression using xcompmgr (and so compositing).

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] System won't boot in 11.10

2011-10-14 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 10/14/2011 03:55 PM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset a écrit :
 Lance: thank you! after setting the boot with nomodeset at last i
 see my Lubuntu splashcreen (even if it's the plymouth text-mode).
 No errors were found when checking the disk for deffects...

 Now i see ubuntu@ubuntu:-$ and type sudo lxdm to start the session
 and it doesn't work... in the other machines i tried this it does...

 Oh, i forgot to say i'm using the 64bit version.
Hum, it seems that the graphical card have a problem with modesetting
(good catch Lance :)).
But at least you should be able to start with sudo start lxdm. Any
errors when running this command ?
Or could you try startx to see if the session start ?

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 11.10 released

2011-10-13 Thread Julien Lavergne
Lubuntu 11.10 is now available :

 * http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/11.10/release/

== What is Lubuntu ? ==

Lubuntu 11.10 is a brand new flavor of Ubuntu based on the Lightweight
X11 Desktop Environment (LXDE), as its default GUI.  The goal is to
provide a very lightweight distribution, with all the advantages of the
Ubuntu world (repositories, support, etc.). Lubuntu is targeted at
normal PC and laptop users running on low-spec hardware. Such users
may not know how to use command line tools, and in most cases they just
don't have enough resources for all the bells and whistles of the
full-featured mainstream distributions.

With many LXDE components, Lubuntu also uses well-known applications,
such as Chromium, Openbox, Pidgin, to name a few. The Lubuntu project
wiki contains more information on the project and the applications used
available.

== Features ==

 * Based on the lightweight LXDE desktop environment.
 * Pcmanfm 0.9.9, a fast and lightweight files manager using gio/gvfs.
 * Lxdm, a lightweight GTK display manager.
 * Chromium, the open-source version of Google Chrome.
 * ... and, of course, based on Ubuntu 11.10.

See the complete list of applications on
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applications


== Improvements since Lubuntu 11.04 ==
 * ISOs are now build with Ubuntu official build system.
 * Alternate ISOs are available.
 * Many updates from LXDE (most components had official releases).
 * Build with recommended packages by default.
 * Use recommends instead of depends for most of components of
lubuntu-desktop meta-package.
 * Register correctly LXDE as a desktop environment by xdg tools.
 * Switch to xfce4-power-manager for power management.
 * Add a microblog client : pidgin-microblog.
 * New theme made by Rafael Laguna.


== Releases notes and known issues ==
The release notes, with a list of known problems are available on
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReleaseNotes/OneiricOcelot


== Reporting bugs ==
You can find information on how to report bug on this wiki page :
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReportingBugs

== Thanks ==

I would like to thanks all people involved in the development of Lubuntu
during this past 6 months : LXDE developers, people helping on IRC,
testing ISOs, reporting bugs, making documentation and artwork ...
It was a pleasure to work with all of you.

== Links ==

 * Website : http://lubuntu.net/
 * Documentation : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
 * LXDE website : http://lxde.org/
 * Announcement: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Announcement/11.10

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 11.10 released

2011-10-13 Thread Julien Lavergne
Just to be complete, on this release day, I strongly encourage people to
use torrent to download ISO.
There is also a mirror available in France :
http://lubuntu.lafibre.info/11.10/

Good release day :)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

Le 10/13/2011 07:28 PM, Julien Lavergne a écrit :
 Lubuntu 11.10 is now available :

  * http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/11.10/release/

 == What is Lubuntu ? ==

 Lubuntu 11.10 is a brand new flavor of Ubuntu based on the Lightweight
 X11 Desktop Environment (LXDE), as its default GUI.  The goal is to
 provide a very lightweight distribution, with all the advantages of the
 Ubuntu world (repositories, support, etc.). Lubuntu is targeted at
 normal PC and laptop users running on low-spec hardware. Such users
 may not know how to use command line tools, and in most cases they just
 don't have enough resources for all the bells and whistles of the
 full-featured mainstream distributions.

 With many LXDE components, Lubuntu also uses well-known applications,
 such as Chromium, Openbox, Pidgin, to name a few. The Lubuntu project
 wiki contains more information on the project and the applications used
 available.

 == Features ==

  * Based on the lightweight LXDE desktop environment.
  * Pcmanfm 0.9.9, a fast and lightweight files manager using gio/gvfs.
  * Lxdm, a lightweight GTK display manager.
  * Chromium, the open-source version of Google Chrome.
  * ... and, of course, based on Ubuntu 11.10.

 See the complete list of applications on
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applications


 == Improvements since Lubuntu 11.04 ==
  * ISOs are now build with Ubuntu official build system.
  * Alternate ISOs are available.
  * Many updates from LXDE (most components had official releases).
  * Build with recommended packages by default.
  * Use recommends instead of depends for most of components of
 lubuntu-desktop meta-package.
  * Register correctly LXDE as a desktop environment by xdg tools.
  * Switch to xfce4-power-manager for power management.
  * Add a microblog client : pidgin-microblog.
  * New theme made by Rafael Laguna.


 == Releases notes and known issues ==
 The release notes, with a list of known problems are available on
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReleaseNotes/OneiricOcelot


 == Reporting bugs ==
 You can find information on how to report bug on this wiki page :
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReportingBugs

 == Thanks ==

 I would like to thanks all people involved in the development of Lubuntu
 during this past 6 months : LXDE developers, people helping on IRC,
 testing ISOs, reporting bugs, making documentation and artwork ...
 It was a pleasure to work with all of you.

 == Links ==

  * Website : http://lubuntu.net/
  * Documentation : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
  * LXDE website : http://lxde.org/
  * Announcement: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Announcement/11.10

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] System won't boot in 11.10

2011-10-13 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 10/13/2011 06:00 PM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset a écrit :
 I'm really sorry for starting the bad news.
 I have a NP305V4A-S01 and in 11.04 it worked... now in 11.10 i can't
 even see the Lubuntu (plymouth); the screen just turns off but it
 seems that everything is still running.
You mean the ISO doesn't boot, or the system installed doesn't boot ? Do
you try to install with an alternate ISO ?

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Idea for LSC

2011-10-13 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 10/13/2011 03:29 PM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset a écrit :
 I was wondering if something like this
 (http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=56282) could be
 implemented on LSC.
 The main goal of it is to be able to control from one place the
 default apps of the system to open the files.

 Something similar exists in pcmanfm, but it must be done extension by
 extension. The proposal, is that it can be done in just one place.

 What do you think?
I like the idea, but LSC is probably not the better place to implement
this. A separate program is probably the best, merging also the
functionalities from the pcmanfm one.

I started to work on something related to this idea. We will have time
to discuss this, let's rest on this release day before talking about
next version :)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Last tests before 11.10 release

2011-10-11 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 10/11/2011 07:40 PM, Ali Linx a écrit :
 Shall I send my notes by email (as usual) or I have to create an
 username and password for http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/ and
 report there?
Please use the iso tracker, especially to link bugs from launchpad to
ISO, so we can see easily which bugs affect Lubuntu.

 And another question. I'm using 07102011 build so shall I download and
 install today build? my internet is not that fast and if I managed to
 download it today, probably I'll install tomorrow so it's a new day
 anyway.
There is a 20111011 ISO available, please use this one. I hope it will
be the last ISO before the release. You should always test the last ISO
available, because you may report bugs that are already fixed.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Last information before the release

2011-10-11 Thread Julien Lavergne
Le 10/11/2011 02:29 AM, Phill Whiteside a écrit :
 I'll do my best for isos, I'm limited as it takes hours to download,
 any priorities yeah,, i386 . i686 variants only, we have a guy
 begging for ppc... Not default, but I do not think it is impossible.

 @all please do try  click off the tests, we REALLY need them.
Thanks Phill,

PPC testing is not stricly needed, official release will only include
i386 and amd64. But if people are interested to test, any feedback about
it is welcome.
If we have people to test PPC during the next cycle, we can think about
adding PPC to official arches.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

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