Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 12.04 Alpha 1 Testing

2011-12-24 Thread Lance
Oops, forgot to include the team ;^/

--- On Sat, 12/24/11, Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com wrote:

From: Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 12.04 Alpha 1 Testing
To: amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com
Date: Saturday, December 24, 2011, 1:14 PM

Everything Jonathan Marsden said is exactly right, is there still any confusion?

Lance

--- On Fri, 12/23/11, amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com wrote:

From: amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 12.04 Alpha 1 Testing
To: Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com
Cc: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Friday, December 23, 2011, 8:52 AM

Hi Lance,
Finally I can tell who is kansasnoob :)
Thanks for your reply. Yes, I saw it before (but honestly did not read it all) 
and I just read it now.

One thing I'm in doubt about it:I have Lubuntu 12.04 installed and it's up and 
running. I have done all the updates and upgrades 
(http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11559293postcount=23) and now, I want 
to use zsync that I already installed. From my understanding to all this, I 
just need to do this:


zsync 
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/20111222/precise-desktop-i386.iso.zsync

From Terminal and that is all, right?
Now, as per your post that you mentioned 
(http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11334389postcount=4) and as per 
this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ZsyncCdImage ... zsync will NOT 
update the installed system but will update the previously downloaded iso so 
that you'll get the LATEST Daily Image and then you just need to burn a CD and 
Install all over again, right? I just need to double check and make sure we are 
in the same page :)

Now, another doubt: What's the point from all the above if I do:

sudo apt-get upgradeand
sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
Isn't that enough?
Sorry of my questions are so silly but I'm very new in testing. Last time I 
tested Lubutnu 11.10 Beta 2 and that was for 10 days or more so didn't learn 
much stuff at that time. I'm very much willing to learn and understand more at 
the moment.

Thank you in advance and I wish whatever I do will help Lubuntu and Lubuntu 
Users. Yes, I know I did nothing yet but I'm doing my best.
Regards,amjjawad/A.J

 
On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com wrote:

Did you see my post late into Oneiric final testing:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11334389postcount=4


If any of that is the least bit confusing please PM me. You seldom, actually 
almost never, need to DL an entire new iso - but you will have to burn a new 
disc!

I appreciate your contribution to Lubuntu and I'll be glad to help you in any 
way I can.


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From: amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 12.04 Alpha 1 Testing
To: Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com

Cc: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2011, 4:04 PM

Sorry if my previous Email caused any confusion.

I have downloaded The Daily Build (08-12) - more details 
here:http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11535501postcount=18


I was just wondering whether I have to keep downloading and installing from 
time to time? or just upgrade using zsync?

Hope it's clear now :)

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:50 AM, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote:


On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 01:29:34 +0400

amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com wrote:



 Hi Julien, Phill and Everyone :)



 Last time I did a test for Lubuntu 11.10 Beta 2, Phill advised to download

 the daily build iso and install it rather than using zsync. Does it stand

 true on Alpha 1 as well? do I have to download the daily build? If yes, how

 often do I have to do that? obviously, it doesn't make sense to do that

 daily. My internet isn't that fast and during downloading, I can't do much

 except waiting - any other website will be slow.



Not sure I really understand what you're saying here but, if you already have 
an ISO of Precise I would use zsync to update to Alpha1 or to a daily whichever 
you require as you realise it saves bandwidth and time.





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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Wubi on 12.04

2011-12-22 Thread Lance
I subscribed to that bug and added an offer to provide testing.

While Wubi is not as stable as an actual installation it can be quite useful, 
particularly since many Win 7 OEM's now use 4 primary partitions.

IMHO it's definitely worth pursuing.

Lance

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From: Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Wubi on 12.04
To: Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset jpx...@gmail.com
Cc: lubuntu-desktop lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Wednesday, December 21, 2011, 3:21 PM

hi Jean-Pierre,
I have had a dig around and raised a 
bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/wubi/+bug/907524 If someone could pop on there 
and click on the affects me button, that will auto confirm it.

Regards,
Phill.

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wrote:

One thing I would like to see in Lubuntu, is the presence of Wubi.
I've wanted to show some friend/familiars/co-workers how Lubuntu rocks but 
the only way i get is by livecd... and they want to try it a little :)



Wubi is a GREAT option for a lot of people (myself included since i have only 
one hard drive and original windows is installed on it ;)

Is this possible?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 12.04 Alpha 1 Testing

2011-12-15 Thread Lance
Did you see my post late into Oneiric final testing:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11334389postcount=4

If any of that is the least bit confusing please PM me. You seldom, actually 
almost never, need to DL an entire new iso - but you will have to burn a new 
disc!

I appreciate your contribution to Lubuntu and I'll be glad to help you in any 
way I can.

--- On Tue, 12/13/11, amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com wrote:

From: amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 12.04 Alpha 1 Testing
To: Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com
Cc: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Tuesday, December 13, 2011, 4:04 PM

Sorry if my previous Email caused any confusion.
I have downloaded The Daily Build (08-12) - more details 
here:http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11535501postcount=18

I was just wondering whether I have to keep downloading and installing from 
time to time? or just upgrade using zsync?

Hope it's clear now :)

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:50 AM, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote:

On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 01:29:34 +0400

amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com wrote:



 Hi Julien, Phill and Everyone :)



 Last time I did a test for Lubuntu 11.10 Beta 2, Phill advised to download

 the daily build iso and install it rather than using zsync. Does it stand

 true on Alpha 1 as well? do I have to download the daily build? If yes, how

 often do I have to do that? obviously, it doesn't make sense to do that

 daily. My internet isn't that fast and during downloading, I can't do much

 except waiting - any other website will be slow.



Not sure I really understand what you're saying here but, if you already have 
an ISO of Precise I would use zsync to update to Alpha1 or to a daily whichever 
you require as you realise it saves bandwidth and time.




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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Sun/Oracle Java

2011-12-05 Thread Lance
I honestly don't see a huge problem. I find the documentation to be adequate. 
Of course in some instances the official Ubuntu documentation works for both 
Ubuntu and Lubuntu, other times not so much.

I think it's also fair to say that we must still rely on LXDE's own 
documentation for many things, and let's not forget that we're very young as a 
legitimate child of Ubuntu/Canonical ;^)

I suspect we'll garner more support from the Canonical devs as time goes along 
but some patience is needed. I know everyone is doing their best :^)

I'd personally defer to Phill W on this, if he's available. He helped bring us 
to the point of acceptance into the Canonical family and his voice means a lot 
to me.

As always, thanks to everyone for everything they do,

Lance



--- On Sun, 12/4/11, amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com wrote:

From: amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Sun/Oracle Java
To: lubuntu-desktop lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Sunday, December 4, 2011, 5:31 PM

I do agree with all what have been said/written.

With all the honesty in the world, I don't like the Wiki Pages. 
Why?

1- I've been told it MUST be the main source of our information while there are 
LOTS of missing information already, NOT to mention it is not organized nor up 
to date.


2- One can't find what he/she is looking for easily.

3- The whole structure is bad IMHO.

4- When I tried to contribute to the Wiki Area, I have heard NOTHING but bad 
negative and rude attitude so I decided NOT to touch it any more and take care 
of Ubuntu Forum as that is where I belong.


5- There is NO dedicated team to maintain our Wiki

Perhaps these are the main reasons.

Again, to be honest, I have another thoughts and different approaches and I'm 
having hard time to explain myself over and over again. Thus, I have decided 
weeks ago to remain silent and do my job quietly.

I'm doing well on the forum and I'll keep it up, period.
I have so much plans to help Lubuntu Users on the Froum. Writing guides and 
more.

I couldn't remain silent anymore.

I can't deny I do have my own style that is different big time than everyone's 
style in this team but since this is a Team Work more than anything else, I'm 
trying my best to learn more about this team, even more than learning about 
Lubuntu which I breath daily.


I'm here as always and ready to help and take our Wiki to the next step but WE 
do need to talk and discuss, period.

:)

Excuse my approach, I just couldn't resist.






On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 2:56 AM, ∅ maps.backw...@gmail.com wrote:



On 12/04/2011 02:26 PM, Yorvyk wrote:

 On Mon, 5 Dec 2011 07:43:15 +1000

 Jared Norris jrnor...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 5 December 2011 06:17, amjjawad HOOHAA amjja...@gmail.com wrote:

 So, again, please double check this:

 http://www.webupd8.org/2011/10/things-to-tweak-after-installing-ubuntu.html

 and if necessary, update this:

 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ/Guides#Some_Java_applications_don.27t_work.2C_I_want_proprietary_Oracle_Java


 This is the very big problem I see with having a separate FAQ to the

 main information on the wiki. Unless it's specific to Lubuntu I really

 don't see why it should exist on our FAQ area at all. All this does is

 duplicate information AND reduce the number of people working on a

 topic. This is a perfect example because the proper Java page [0] was

 updated a while ago to reflect the changes.



 So my opinion is, unless it's specific to Lubuntu we should contribute

 and rely on the community documentation for *Ubuntu instead of trying

 to carve out our own little niche that will easily be out of date and

 hard to maintain with fewer resources. (To answer your question my

 suggestion would be to remove the java section altogether, if you HAVE

 to have something, link to the main page for Java).



 [0] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java

 Couldn't agree more Jared.  Repeating the same information over and over in 
 different places is not helpful.  Users who aren't quite sure what their 
 problem is end up 'not seeing the wood for the trees.'  This is the sort of 
 thing a decent index is helps with.


to me, this begs the question of why we have a FAQ at all. there's no

reason there shouldn't be an LXDE-specific section to the general

Ubuntu wiki as it is relevant to LXDE. how many people have you come

across that run LXDE in Ubuntu rather than doing Lubuntu? it's often a

gateway to officially making the switch.



my problem with the main wiki is that it is often so GNOME-centric,

it's not always apparent whether or not something is truly applicable to

Lubuntu. so if we updated it for Lubuntu, there would be ONE place to go.



always the revolutionary,

wxl/walter



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Tracking progress (was: Re: [Lubuntu 12.04] My Suggestions)

2011-11-12 Thread Lance
I just wanted to drop a brief comment about this statement:

Please don't make extra work for our scarce and overworked developers :)

I've honestly wondered about that for some time now. While I'm no dev by any 
stretch of the imagination I have been involved in Ubuntu iso-testing for well 
over 3 years, and recently the number of suggestions regarding Lubuntu here 
at the mailing list have been almost overwhelming.

How much time has this taken away from fixing actual bugs or implementing 
meaningful change?

While it's great to have someone new and energetic join the team it's also 
important for the new members to give the actual devs time to deal with the 
basic tasks of maintaining the project ;^) 

I hope that doesn't sound too harsh. As always thanks to everyone for 
everything they do,

Lance

--- On Sat, 11/12/11, Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm wrote:

From: Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm
Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] [12.04] Tracking progress (was: Re: [Lubuntu 12.04] 
My Suggestions)
To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Saturday, November 12, 2011, 5:38 PM

On 11/12/2011 12:38 PM, amjjawad HOOHAA wrote:

 *My suggestions*:

 http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11447159postcount=94
 
 *Original thread*: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1870442
 
 In case I want to add more, shall I update my post or send them through
 this email?


This mailing list is more likely to be seen and responded to by Lubuntu
developers than forum threads, IMO.

 If there is any kind of updates about 12.04, please let me know. Thanks!


Please don't make extra work for our scarce and overworked developers :)

Instead, if you are interested in tracking progress towards Lubuntu
12.04, please login to the wiki and read the wiki page at

  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/P-Plan

then click the Subscribe button so you are emailed about all changes
to that page.

Then, subscribe to each of the Lubuntu 12.04 blueprints on Launchpad, so
you will automatically get emails as they are updated.

  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-lubuntu-p-users-experience


is one such blueprint, I can't seem to find the others right now, I
think that there should (theoretically) be one each for the clean
house and organization parts of the plan too.  Maybe Julien can
provide pointers to those for us.

Thanks,

Jonathan


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu - One Stop Thread

2011-10-21 Thread Lance
Looks great, I like it :^)

I've had very little desk time lately but I think that's a great idea. Possibly 
around December or January I can help contribute to that.

Thanks for your dedication,

Lance

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From: Ali Linx amjja...@gmail.com
Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu - One Stop Thread
To: lubuntu-desktop lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Friday, October 21, 2011, 12:58 PM


Dear All,

I think this will be the first Mega Lubuntu Thread on Ubuntu Forum. Since my 
most activities on the Forum and because I'm trying to put together everything 
related to Lubuntu in one place, I have decided to create this thread:


http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1844755

Before, it was just a thread with two guides but now, it has another purpose 
and aim.

Thank you!


P.S.
Needless to say that your contributions will be highly appreciated ;)


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] System won't boot in 11.10

2011-10-14 Thread Lance
My initial thoughts:

#1: When booting the live CD, just after selecting language, select Check disc 
for defects. It takes several minutes to complete. If that shows no defects 
found move to step #2:

#2: When rebooting the live CD select language and with Try Lubuntu w/o 
installing highlighted press F6 which will display several optional boot 
parameters. From there select nomodeset using the arrow keys, press enter to 
apply (you'll know it's applied by an x next to it), then press Esc. 

Now the nomodeset boot option will be applied when you boot. That's sometimes 
helpful troubleshooting graphics card compatibility issues with the Xserver. 
Let us know what happens,

Lance

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From: Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset jpx...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] System won't boot in 11.10
To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Friday, October 14, 2011, 6:58 AM


  


  
  

  The screen turns off after showing the menu try lubuntu,
install lubuntu, ...


  What GPU do you use?
  Did you MD5 test the ISO you burned and did you burn as
slowly as possible?



The MD5 test is correct on both Lubuntu  Ubuntu discs, both
burned as slowly as possible. The hardware is a quad core with dual
graphics (i know is far from lubuntu target, but i love lubuntu...
what can i do!) an A8 AMD with an AMD Radeon HD 6620G.

In 11.04 it works... :'(



  


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] System won't boot in 11.10

2011-10-14 Thread Lance
I've never tried sudo start lxdm, but rather sudo service lxdm start. I've 
actually meant to ask about the difference (if any) but I just never got around 
to it :^/

I just thought trying the nomodeset option would at least rule out one thing, 
since it helped advance things a bit I now wonder what issues the X11 updates 
I've seen since release might actually apply to.

I'm toying with that borked power-manager icon thing ATM, but I'll try to parse 
those X11 updates to see if they might address any bugs similar to this with 
Radeon graphics.

BTW, I'm very impressed with Lubuntu final, great work by all :^)

As always, thanks to everyone for all they do,

Lance

--- On Fri, 10/14/11, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

From: Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] System won't boot in 11.10
To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Friday, October 14, 2011, 10:40 AM

Le 10/14/2011 03:55 PM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset a écrit :
 Lance: thank you! after setting the boot with nomodeset at last i
 see my Lubuntu splashcreen (even if it's the plymouth text-mode).
 No errors were found when checking the disk for deffects...

 Now i see ubuntu@ubuntu:-$ and type sudo lxdm to start the session
 and it doesn't work... in the other machines i tried this it does...

 Oh, i forgot to say i'm using the 64bit version.
Hum, it seems that the graphical card have a problem with modesetting
(good catch Lance :)).
But at least you should be able to start with sudo start lxdm. Any
errors when running this command ?
Or could you try startx to see if the session start ?

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

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[Lubuntu-desktop] A few notes about zsync

2011-10-12 Thread Lance
I quickly typed up some instructions for using zsync to manage testing images 
here:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11334389postcount=4

I hope that may be helpful to some, and that I didn't make a bunch of mistakes.

Much testing to do so time for me to get busy, as always thanks to everyone for 
all they do,

Lance

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Oneiric Beta 2 released

2011-09-23 Thread Lance
I just want to personally thank you for fixing the software sources glitch in 
the alternate CD so fast. Awesome fast and reliable bug fix ;^)

In my small corner of the *buntu world the alternate/debian installer is a must 
have because of limitations in ubiquity.

I look forward to working with you in the future and, as always, thanks to 
everyone that's made Lubuntu such a great distro,

Lance

PS: apologies for the times I've just been a pain in the neck ;^)

--- On Fri, 9/23/11, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

From: Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com
Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Oneiric Beta 2 released
To: lubuntu-desktop lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Friday, September 23, 2011, 8:55 AM


  


  
  
Hi,




Following the announce for Ubuntu, Lubuntu Beta 2 is also available
for
testing. You can find it on


http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/oneiric/beta-2/




A quick summary of important changes since Beta 1 :

* Bug fixes.





Know issues :


 * Include apt-xapian-index : http://pad.lv/798437

 * Installer require 4.6 Gb of free space : http://pad.lv/819538

 * Ubiquity broken icon switcher : http://pad.lv/830898

 * Update icons on desktop for persitent mode broken :
http://pad.lv/837470

 * Firefox locales installed : http://pad.lv/820056

 * Fallback icons on notification area broken : http://pad.lv/819542
and http://pad.lv/820080

 * Not able to install virtualbox drivers after installation from
desktop ISO : http://pad.lv/854995

 * Entries with Lubuntu are not translated on the boot menu on any
Lubuntu ISO : http://pad.lv/855977





Happy testing 




Regards,


Julien Lavergne
  


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[Lubuntu-desktop] Please check my bug filing

2011-09-20 Thread Lance
I'm particularly concerned about this:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libappindicator/+bug/820080

The network manager icon is fixed, but the power manager icon is broken again 
after being fixed once before.

I just want to be certain that I'm commenting at the correct bug report.

*

I'd bet Colin Watson will get on top of this:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/854244

But any and all feedback is appreciated ;^)



This one is quite new and needs much follow-up:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/854837

I will follow up on that as I continue to test :^)

*

All in all I think things look pretty great and I must return to testing, still 
some old Ubuntu bugs to follow up on too, just please don't feel I'm pressuring 
anyone.

As always I'm thankful for all everyone does to make Lubuntu such a great 
distro,

Lance


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[Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Lubuntu beta 2 iso-test images not showing up

2011-09-19 Thread Lance
Thought I should share what I'm doing ;^)

--- On Mon, 9/19/11, Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com wrote:

From: Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com
Subject: Lubuntu beta 2 iso-test images not showing up
To: Jean-Baptiste Lallement jean-bapti...@ubuntu.com
Date: Monday, September 19, 2011, 11:53 AM

Sorry to be the constant nuisance that I know I am ;^(

When I click on the Lubuntu test image links I just get:

No image found for this build

I'm beginning from the new build notification in my mailbox.

During Beta 1 testing I just used the corresponding daily images and made sure 
to mention exactly what image I was using, but can we fix this?

As always I appreciate all you do. I know you're facing many difficult tasks.

Many thanks in advance, 

Lance

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Re: Lubuntu beta 2 iso-test images not showing up

2011-09-19 Thread Lance
Got this update from jibel :^)

I'll test accordingly.

Lance

--- On Mon, 9/19/11, Jean-Baptiste Lallement jean-bapti...@ubuntu.com wrote:

From: Jean-Baptiste Lallement jean-bapti...@ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: Lubuntu beta 2 iso-test images not showing up
To: Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com
Date: Monday, September 19, 2011, 2:28 PM

Hey,

On 09/19/2011 06:53 PM, Lance wrote:
 Sorry to be the constant nuisance that I know I am ;^(
No worries :)

 
 When I click on the Lubuntu test image links I just get:
 
 No image found for this build
 
 I'm beginning from the new build notification in my mailbox.
 
 During Beta 1 testing I just used the corresponding daily images and
 made sure to mention exactly what image I was using, but can we fix this?
I fixed the path for alternate images which was wrong.
There has been a problem building the desktop images. I requested a new
build. New images should be available in the next couple of hours.

 
 As always I appreciate all you do. I know you're facing many difficult
 tasks.
 
 Many thanks in advance,
Many thanks for all the testing you're doing. That's much appreciated.

 
 Lance
 


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[Lubuntu-desktop] Current status of alternate installer

2011-09-12 Thread Lance
I went ahead and tested both the 20110910 and 20110911 i386 alternate install 
images to see if I could reproduce that broken software sources UI that I'd 
mentioned previously, but I couldn't get that far.

I encountered the installer cannot find a suitable kernel package to install 
and being unsure how to install the kernel post-install I just aborted the 
installation. I did report a new bug:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/847772

I hope I did OK there, and that I'm not coming across as pushy :^)

Just looking at the calendar and realizing that we have 10 days until Beta 2, 
and probably one week before the next round of iso-testing, I thought it wise 
to do a little follow up now.

As always thanks for all you do to make Lubuntu the great distro it is,

Lance
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Re: Release meeting status

2011-09-11 Thread Lance
Forgot the team, sorry.

I am gaining . very slowly.

Just to clarify: I was not complaining, just trying to point out a problem that 
I've not had time to follow up on properly.

I should have my testing box running again soon. I have most of the data 
copied, I now just need to set up some symlinks.

I hate to mention the kitchen. Hint: don't try to mix lacquer and enamel 
products when refinishing metal cabinets ;^(

Using the wrong filler cost me a whole day.

--- On Sat, 9/10/11, Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com wrote:

From: Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Release meeting status
To: Phill Whiteside phi...@vpolink.com
Date: Saturday, September 10, 2011, 6:00 PM

That would be very helpful. I already checked to be sure the Ubuntu alternate 
image worked OK.

I need to know if the most recent Lubuntu alternate daily image still produces 
a borked software sources UI.

If so, immediately after installing you should be able to just run ubuntu-bug 
debian-installer. Then just explain what's wrong.

I am gaining on this end and I'll be able to follow up prior to Beta 2 :^)

--- On Fri, 9/9/11, Phill Whiteside phi...@vpolink.com wrote:

From: Phill Whiteside phi...@vpolink.com
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Release meeting status
To: Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com
Cc: Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com, lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date:
 Friday, September 9, 2011, 4:55 PM

hi Lance,
I'll have a play with it over the w/end and see if I can get similar behaviour 
in VM. If not, I'll start slicing disks up :)
Regards,
Phill.


On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com wrote:

I plan on doing that but I don't have time to test the current daily ATM. 
That's why I mentioned comparing to Ubuntu alternate-daily but not having time 
yet to test the newest Lubuntu alternate.


I'm just an independent iso-tester and ATM I'm rebuilding my kitchen while also 
rebuilding my testing computer to hopefully be a more efficient iso-tester ;^)

I was hoping someone else could jump in and help figure that out and/or file a 
new bug report. Honestly I'm not goofing off, but I was just aware of a 
potential problem that I've not had time to follow up on properly :^)


I'm doing my best, reinstalling Win XP as I type so I can test Wubi stuff, even 
though the Wubi folks might not bring Lubuntu into the fold during the Oneiric 
cycle.

Lance

--- On Fri, 9/9/11, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com
 wrote:

From: Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com

Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Release meeting status
To: Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com
Cc: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net

Date: Friday, September 9, 2011, 1:30 PM


  


  
  
Pleas open another bug report (it's another problem) and attached
the content of /etc/apt/sources.list, I'll have a look at it.



Regards,

Julien Lavergne



Le 09/09/2011 19:50, Lance a écrit :

  

  
I think Lubuntu
  looks pretty good, but one thing I do need to follow up on
  is shown here:

  

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/835961/comments/16

  

  I'd very much appreciate anyone else jumping into testing
  to see what they find. I'm just under serious time
  constraints ATM but I will follow up ASAP.

  

  As always thanks for all you, and everyone, do to make
  Lubuntu the great OS it is,

  

  Lance

  

  --- On Fri, 9/9/11, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com
  wrote:

  

From: Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com

Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] Release meeting status

To: lubuntu-desktop
lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net

Date: Friday, September 9, 2011, 11:02 AM



Hi,

  

  I do a summary of the Lubuntu developpement each week
  for the release

  meeting. If you are interested, I add them to this
  page :

  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric

  If you have something to mention before the meeting
  (each Friday),

  please send me a mail before, so I can have a look at
  it.

  

  Regards,

  Julien Lavergne

  

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Re: Testing, and md5sums that vary???

2011-09-11 Thread Lance
It appears that I forgot the team twice in a row. Sorry :^(

Lance

--- On Sat, 9/10/11, Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com wrote:

From: Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Testing, and md5sums that vary???
To: Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com
Date: Saturday, September 10, 2011, 5:49 PM

IMHO that looks fine. The download link displays the official Ubuntu DL links, 
and the md5sum link displays the actual Ubuntu official info. I think now that 
we're officially part of Ubuntu it's always best to use their info.

I'm not sure how to handle older links, like  Alpha 3. That's a dead link, the 
same is true for Ubuntu itself. Outside of hardcore testers who wants an old 
image anyway ;^)

Of course this will all change with 12.04 and beyond because we'll always want 
to provide DL info for all supported versions of Lubuntu. Once official support 
ends then it should, and must, get harder to find those images.

As always, thanks for all you do,

Lance

--- On Fri, 9/9/11, Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

From: Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Testing, and md5sums that vary???
To: Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com
Cc: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Friday, September 9, 2011, 9:38 PM

Hi Lance,
Sorry for the delay. 
Is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing#Lubuntu_Oneiric_11.10 better in 
terms of the table layout and links for Beta 1?

Thanks for your input on this.
Regards,
Phill.

On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com wrote:

Could the See server part of the Beta 1 line be highlighted red and link to 
this page:


http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/oneiric/beta-1/MD5SUMS

Just an idea, but I have no idea how to do it ;^)


Also Torrent link may be misleading because that link includes all DL options 
(http, jigdo, zsync, torrent).

And that should be the only DL link needed for the Beta 1, having the QA 
testing link there could be confusing because about 4 days before Beta 2 those 
images will change, and we mention (and link to) the iso-tracker in the next 
paragraph.


In fact when the LTS releases have point-upgades, eg: 10.04.4, they also pop 
up on the iso-tracker, sometimes several days prior to the actual release.

As always thanks for all you do. That extends to every member of the team.


Lance

--- On Sat, 9/3/11,
 Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

From: Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com

Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Testing, and md5sums that vary???
To: Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm
Cc: lubuntu-desktop lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net

Date: Saturday, September 3, 2011, 5:33 AM

Hi Jonathan,
as there are various incarnations of lubuntu (i386, amd64, alt.) each comes 
with its own unique md5. That is what I allude to when I state that the md5 
varies. Maybe a note explaining that there are different build flavours each 
with their own md5 needs doing? I put it simply as for a person to check at the 
down load area for the md5 for which image they downloaded?


Regards,
Phill.

On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 7:28 AM, Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm wrote:


On https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing we have a chart that now says



our md5sums for some ISOs vary.



Um.  The whole point is that they don't :)  For a given ISO image, the

md5sum *must* be the same, or you don't have the same image!



I think maybe someone got lazy and didn't want to add entries for 4 ISOs

(LiveCD i386, LiveCD amd64, AlternateCD i386 abd AlternateCD amd64)?  Is

that what varies means -- there are four images, each with their own

(non-varying!) md5sum?



Basically, I don't think saying our md5sums vary is helpful... can we

fix this please?



Jonathan



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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Release meeting status

2011-09-09 Thread Lance
I think Lubuntu looks pretty good, but one thing I do need to follow up on is 
shown here:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/835961/comments/16

I'd very much appreciate anyone else jumping into testing to see what they 
find. I'm just under serious time constraints ATM but I will follow up ASAP.

As always thanks for all you, and everyone, do to make Lubuntu the great OS it 
is,

Lance

--- On Fri, 9/9/11, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

From: Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com
Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] Release meeting status
To: lubuntu-desktop lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Friday, September 9, 2011, 11:02 AM

Hi,

I do a summary of the Lubuntu developpement each week for the release
meeting. If you are interested, I add them to this page :
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric
If you have something to mention before the meeting (each Friday),
please send me a mail before, so I can have a look at it.

Regards,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Release meeting status

2011-09-09 Thread Lance
I plan on doing that but I don't have time to test the current daily ATM. 
That's why I mentioned comparing to Ubuntu alternate-daily but not having time 
yet to test the newest Lubuntu alternate.

I'm just an independent iso-tester and ATM I'm rebuilding my kitchen while also 
rebuilding my testing computer to hopefully be a more efficient iso-tester ;^)

I was hoping someone else could jump in and help figure that out and/or file a 
new bug report. Honestly I'm not goofing off, but I was just aware of a 
potential problem that I've not had time to follow up on properly :^)

I'm doing my best, reinstalling Win XP as I type so I can test Wubi stuff, even 
though the Wubi folks might not bring Lubuntu into the fold during the Oneiric 
cycle.

Lance

--- On Fri, 9/9/11, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

From: Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Release meeting status
To: Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com
Cc: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Friday, September 9, 2011, 1:30 PM


  


  
  
Pleas open another bug report (it's another problem) and attached
the content of /etc/apt/sources.list, I'll have a look at it.



Regards,

Julien Lavergne



Le 09/09/2011 19:50, Lance a écrit :

  

  
I think Lubuntu
  looks pretty good, but one thing I do need to follow up on
  is shown here:

  

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/835961/comments/16

  

  I'd very much appreciate anyone else jumping into testing
  to see what they find. I'm just under serious time
  constraints ATM but I will follow up ASAP.

  

  As always thanks for all you, and everyone, do to make
  Lubuntu the great OS it is,

  

  Lance

  

  --- On Fri, 9/9/11, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com
  wrote:

  

From: Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com

Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] Release meeting status

To: lubuntu-desktop
lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net

Date: Friday, September 9, 2011, 11:02 AM



Hi,

  

  I do a summary of the Lubuntu developpement each week
  for the release

  meeting. If you are interested, I add them to this
  page :

  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReleaseStatus/Oneiric

  If you have something to mention before the meeting
  (each Friday),

  please send me a mail before, so I can have a look at
  it.

  

  Regards,

  Julien Lavergne

  

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] membership

2011-09-05 Thread Lance
I'd add that silence from any team member is not an indication that they agree or disagree / like or dislike anything offered by another team member.I generally remain silent unless I feel that my input may truly be helpful ;^)That said, my input may sometimes only cause confusion regardless of my intension. I hope I've at least been tolerable ;^)As always, thanks to everyone for everything they do for Lubuntu,Lance--- On Mon, 9/5/11, 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) rafaellag...@gmail.com wrote:From: 神癒礁湖 (Rafael Laguna) rafaellag...@gmail.comSubject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] membershipTo: "Jerry" jerryla...@aim.comCc:
 lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.netDate: Monday, September 5, 2011, 4:25 AMYes, I'm fully agree. Not only coders are important making operating systems. The LoCo team is fundamental, as well as testers, forum keepers, etc.

There's a lot of people evolving a distro, and sometimes users claim for this or that to coders when solution often comes from other sources.














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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] OEM Mode doesn't work?

2011-09-04 Thread Lance
Please consider this largely thinking out loud on my part. I'm only an 
iso-tester with no ties to the actual development end of things, but I did a 
bit of studying that I hope may be helpful regarding this.

I pulled up the Ubuntu and Lubuntu live-i386 Beta 1 iso-tracker pages:

http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/6450

http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/6386

You'll see that OEM testing was listed under the Ubuntu image but not the 
Lubuntu image. (OT but the same was true of Wubi installs). So I suspect that 
Ubuntu development just isn't there yet with Lubuntu, but that's just a guess.

Ultimately I think two things are required here:

1) File a bug from the fresh OEM install if possible by opening lxterminal and 
running 'ubuntu-bug ubiquity' which will allow apport to collect info, then 
give the bug a title and I'd think the same explanation you provided here would 
be sufficient as a description.

2) Maybe Phill or Julien could correspond with Colin Watson (or another 
installer team member) via IRC channel #ubuntu-installer regarding the status 
of OEM installs with Lubuntu live images.

Note: sorry I haven't yet managed to tackle IRC-chat, I have tried but my 
visual impairment always gets the best of me :^/

I hope this might be at least slightly helpful, as always thanks to everyone 
for all they do,

Lance

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Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] OEM Mode doesn't work?
To: Lubuntu lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Sunday, September 4, 2011, 3:35 PM

Hi guys,

I've just installed the beta1 i386 desktop iso in vmware - and i'm
disappointed to see that the OEM installation mode still isn't working.

I didn't enter a name for the 'batch of systems', selected 'download
updates whilst installing', automatic partitioning options, timezone
Europe/London, UK standard keyboard, and set the hostname and password
for the temporary user.

As with ubuntu desktop, the OEM user is created (uid/gid 2), but the
oem-config-prepare script is missing. I don't know how oem mode works on
a regular ubuntu in terms of which packages are installed.

If i manually install the oem-config package (and its dependencies),
then run oem-config-prepare then i DO get the 'out of box experience' -
however it's in the console not X - plus i am prompted to install
packages for ubuntu server!

I have a feeling that this bug might hinder lubuntu's official adoption
as an official derivative which would be a shame.

I like the ubiquity slideshow though - looks very nice!
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Bug 775124] Re: Ubiquity should have a command line option to override the free space check

2011-09-03 Thread Lance
Regarding the live-installer/ubiquity requiring 2X disc space I'm not sure 
what you mean, but I notice the actual installed size of / after a live install 
is somewhere between 2.1GB and 2.2GB, but the installed size after using the 
alternate (d-i) installer is about 1.9GB.

I've dug around a bit and I can't really see anything that's lacking in the 
alternate installation, but that seems odd to me. I plan on testing an Ubuntu 
live install vs an Ubuntu alternate install soon to see if the same applies.

Regarding swap Colin Watson responded to me recently here:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-auto/+bug/782507/comments/7

So work is ongoing :^)

Aside from that using the alternate CD should not be scary to anyone, although 
I do realize that the cost of an additional CD can be prohibitive to some 
users, and anything new is always intimating.

While this is written for a dual-boot it's pretty well descriptive:

http://members.iinet.net.au/~herman546/p2.html

But, yeah, it's confusing I guess. Sometime in the near future I'll try to come 
up with something using the forums so I can post some screenshots. Don't hold 
your breath though. I must get my kitchen put back together :^)

--- On Sat, 9/3/11, Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

From: Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: [Bug 775124] Re: Ubiquity should have a command line option to 
override the free space check
To: lbsol...@yahoo.com, Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm, Julien 
Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com
Cc: lubuntu-desktop lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Saturday, September 3, 2011, 6:27 AM

Hi,
I'll do this not via bug report as it is a 'work around' rather than a fix. In 
the past we have had the instructions for minimal iso 
at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu specfically https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall My
 suggestion is that we re-write the notes to use the alt install so that they 
are n00b friendly and cover the tricky part of manually partitioning? The pro's 
for this is that the alt image works, the con's are that it still leaves 
Ubiquity wanting silly usage of disk  RAM space when it should be fixed, IMHO, 
in a couple of lines of code as to where JM alluded.

I'd much prefer the 'hack' that caused the regression to be accepted as a 
regression and a more elegant solution be found to the problem. Simply 
'telling' Ubiquity to want 2 X Disk space and 2 X RAM, for me is simply insane. 
It has been proven that the  2 X disk space is not 
required https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/11.04MinimalDiskSpace
 but, with my pragmatic head on and us using the 'official' build system whilst 
we argue these points out there are people who cannot install.

If we do go for the hand-holding alt instructions, I'd like to also make /home 
a partition as well. IMHO this would allow the / system to be as small as 
possible, allow us to factor in depending on RAM the /swap area and then have 
all the user data on its own partition. For such small disks we are not going 
to be installing side by side with another system.

Well, those are my thoughts. I look forward to the replies, The battle may have 
been lost for 11.10, but the war for 12.04 is yet to start. If 12.04 can 
address the ubiquity issues that affect Lubuntu (and any other low-footprint) 
then we get a win-win.

Regards,
Phill.


2011/9/3 Erick Brunzell lbsol...@yahoo.com

The Lubuntu Oneiric Beta 1 live-i386 image now says only 3.9GB is

required. I think the Ubuntu image says 4.4GB but I need to recheck

that.



So I started the automated install (install alongside) where my blank

4GB flash drive was the only unpartitioned space available, and I have

2GB of RAM, so the installation stalls with the attached warning because

it wants to create about 2GB of swap which leaves an insufficient amount

of disc space for /.



IMHO that's actually OK though, because you're told that clicking on

continue will result in failure, and if you click on back you end up in

the manual partitioning screen.



Lubuntu now also has an alternate install image so I'd think we're OK

here.



I have no 64bit hardware so I can't test the amd64 images.



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  Ubiquity should have a command line option to override the free space

  check



Status in “ubiquity” package in Ubuntu:

  Triaged

Status in “ubiquity” source package in Oneiric:

  Triaged



Bug description:

  Binary package hint: ubiquity



   I downloaded the 11.04 desktop i386 iso, put it on a usb drive so i

   could it install it on my netbook, but couldnt even get past the

  

[Lubuntu-desktop] Update on iso-testing images

2011-08-30 Thread Lance
Rather than retype everything please look here:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11201545postcount=309

I've not yet started testing the i386 live DE images, I will shortly, but I did 
test the 20110830-i386 alternate which may or may NOT be an official 
iso-testing image. I reported the failure in post #6 here:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/835961

I hope Jean-Baptiste Lallement doesn't shoot me.
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Network and Power icons - what package to file bugs against?

2011-08-30 Thread Lance
I think this has been mentioned before but both of those panel icons are still 
just a box containing a do-not-enter symbol. Are there existing bug reports? 
I'm not even sure if these should be filed against lxpanel or what.

While mentioning lxpanel, and waiting for a test install to complete, I might 
as well bring up a couple of wish-list items:

Gosh, it would be nice to be able to adjust the font of the clock :^)

And I never have figured out how to get the temp monitor to work. CPU temp is a 
real good indicator of how hard things are having to work.

Other than that I think we have a real winner! I like the grey panel 
background. My eyesight stinks and after adjusting a few basic things the clock 
is the only thing I can't really read.

To all, thanks for everything you do. I especially appreciate Phill keeping 
info up to date at the forums and all of the great work he does on 
documentation.

Lance
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Fw: Re: Network and Power icons - what package to file bugs against?

2011-08-30 Thread Lance
Oops, left the team out. My bad.

--- On Tue, 8/30/11, Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com wrote:

From: Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Network and Power icons - what package to file 
bugs against?
To: Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com
Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 7:48 PM

I added a comment and screenshot @ bug 820080, but just before I got the iso 
tag added I got a new build notification for Lubuntu 20110830.2-i386. Guess 
I'll make a fresh pot of coffee :^)

--- On Tue, 8/30/11, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

From: Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Network and Power icons - what package to file 
bugs against?
To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Tuesday, August 30, 2011, 1:31 PM

On Tue, 30 Aug 2011 07:48:09 -0700 (PDT)
Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I think this has been mentioned before but both of
 those panel icons are still just a box containing a do-not-enter symbol. Are 
there existing bug reports? I'm not even sure if these should be filed against 
lxpanel or what.

See 
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/819617 
and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libappindicator/+bug/820080

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu iso-testing

2011-08-29 Thread Lance
I had no doubt about that but I'm not receiving iso-testing notifications as 
usual. In fact I now notice that there is an Ubuntu live image ready for 
testing, but no notification.

I'm just double-checking in case something is wrong at Ubuntu QA ;^)

And I hate to start testing with an incomplete or outdated image that would 
only waste the devs' time, or anything of that nature.

--- On Mon, 8/29/11, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

From: Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu iso-testing
To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Monday, August 29, 2011, 12:18 PM

On 08/29/2011 06:44 PM, Lance wrote:
 I noticed from Launchpad activity that some iso-testing began several
 hours ago so I've checked the iso-tracker a few times and there is an
 Lubuntu live image:
You can see all the ISO available by following this link :
http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/lubuntu/all

It should work for all releases in the future :)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

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[Lubuntu-desktop] proof of impatience

2011-08-29 Thread Lance
I tried the newest Lubuntu daily live image and it still has ubiquity 2.7.17 
whereas the installer team is now up to 2.7.20:

 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/oneiric/+source/ubiquity/+changelog

I haven't checked debian-installer but I'd expect likewise ;^)

Sorry for being impatient.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu iso-testing

2011-08-29 Thread Lance
I think wait. I tried the live image from the iso-tracker and the ubiquity 
version was seriously out-of-date.

--- On Mon, 8/29/11, Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

From: Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu iso-testing
To: Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com
Cc: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net, Jean-Baptiste Lallement 
jean-bapti...@ubuntu.com, Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com
Date: Monday, August 29, 2011, 2:37 PM

Ditto, I just tried to grab the i386 from them.
The links at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/ have the 
set, are they okay to use or do we await the arrival of iso on the qa site?

Regards,
Phill.

On Mon, Aug 29, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com wrote:

I had no doubt about that but I'm not receiving iso-testing notifications as 
usual. In fact I now notice that there is an Ubuntu live image ready for 
testing, but no notification.


I'm just double-checking in case something is wrong at Ubuntu QA ;^)

And I hate to start testing with an incomplete or outdated image that would 
only waste the devs' time, or anything of that nature.


--- On Mon, 8/29/11, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:


From: Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu iso-testing
To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net

Date: Monday, August 29, 2011, 12:18 PM

On 08/29/2011 06:44 PM, Lance wrote:
 I noticed from
 Launchpad activity that some iso-testing began several
 hours ago so I've checked the iso-tracker a few times and there is an
 Lubuntu live image:
You can see all the ISO available by following this link :

http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/lubuntu/all

It should work for all releases in the future :)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Alternate CD images exist -- please test!

2011-08-28 Thread Lance
In deed. I filed a bug report:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/835961

I hope that's helpul.

--- On Sat, 8/27/11, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

From: Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Alternate CD images exist -- please test!
To: Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm
Cc: lubuntu-desktop lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 5:33 PM

On 08/27/2011 07:34 PM, Jonathan Marsden wrote:
 They are very very new.  Please test, and report your results.  These
 images are a BIG benefit of our using the official build system this
 cycle, requiring zero additional effort for us to generate them.
Thanks, forgot to announce it properly :)
Unfortunately, my last try to install with this alternate ISO resulted
in an incomplete system. STill not ready to be used, but it's just a
matter of time :)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Not good news re. old mesa drivers

2011-08-27 Thread Lance
That's definitely bad news for me :^(

I currently still maintain 24 machines with P4M800 integrated chips and, if I'm 
reading that right, I'm about to need some major hardware upgrades.

I also maintain a few machines with older Intel 8xx chips. Most of the machines 
with VIA chips are ones I upgraded myself for seniors to bring them out of the 
Win 98 and ME stone-age.

I may be tarred and feathered if I can't keep these machines working ;^)


--- On Sat, 8/27/11, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote:

From: Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com
Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] Not good news re. old mesa drivers
To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 9:04 AM

This is not good news,

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=OTg0Mg

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Alternate CD images exist -- please test!

2011-08-27 Thread Lance
No PowerPC here, I can only test i386 images but I'm downloading the alternate 
as I type. I'll also look at amending my iso-testing subscriptions 
appropriately.

It's going to be a bit trying for me because I have a few Ubuntu/unity specific 
ubiquity bugs to follow up on that don't appear with Lubuntu, such as bug 
830923:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/830923

Be patient with me, I'll do my best, but I'd expect Beta 1 iso-testing to begin 
Monday ;^)


--- On Sat, 8/27/11, Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm wrote:

From: Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm
Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Alternate CD images exist -- please test!
To: lubuntu-desktop lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 12:34 PM

http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily/current/oneiric-alternate-i386.iso

Thanks to some recent work by Colin Watson on this, specifically for
Lubuntu, we now have automatically created daily Lubuntu Alternate CD
images.  These should install on low RAM machines more easily than the
Live CD images do.

They are very very new.  Please test, and report your results.  These
images are a BIG benefit of our using the official build system this
cycle, requiring zero additional effort for us to generate them.

Incidentally, if anyone has PowerPC hardware available, testing the
daily PowerPC builds, both LiveCD and AlternateCD, would be good.

Jonathan

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[Lubuntu-desktop] When might lubuntu daily images be available again?

2011-08-25 Thread Lance
I don't know what else I can add to the title. No daily images have been 
available for several days.

I particularly want to be able to test some of the ubiquity changes with 
Lubuntu rather than Ubuntu but so far that's not possible.

Also quite a few sites now say that dailies are available but when you search 
nothing is available.

Just wondering.

Thanks in advance.

Lance
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] A question

2011-08-12 Thread Lance
I see some of the info on the linked pages is out of date, specifically:

http://qa.ubuntu.com/testing/iso-testing/

You'll notice it refers to You can check at  the Lucid Schedule that there was 
an Alpha 1, Alpha 2, Alpha 3 ...

I do know the Lubuntu desktop image appeared on the tracker for Oneiric Alpha 3:

http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/

Although there were no alternate or upgrade tests listed we're gaining.

Keeping documentation updated is a huge challenge, one that I lack both the 
time and skills to tackle :^(

--- On Fri, 8/12/11, Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

From: Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com
Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] A question
To: Ubuntu Mailing list ubuntu...@lists.ubuntu.com
Cc: lubuntu-desktop lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Friday, August 12, 2011, 2:11 PM

Hi, QA,
A couple of people have stated that Lubuntu is not 'really' on the ISO testing 
area, one simple example would be http://qa.ubuntu.com/ which does not even 
list xubuntu? 

I am struggling to send people who would like to get involved in QA when they 
return to me to say the site does not work.
If there are any wiki edits that you need to live and active pages I would be 
more than happy to get them there. (I also have a gang of people who would love 
this in their resumee).



Regards,
Phill.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] forum area

2011-08-11 Thread Lance
We're OK ;^)

One person went on a rant without spending a little time to explore.

They were basically comparing our Alpha 3 to a final release w/o even having 
read the release notes..

I think the i386 is pretty good other than a few cosmetic blemishes, can't 
comment on the 64bit version because I lack 64bit hardware but I saw a lot of 
bugs reported.

Hopefully in about another week I'll be able to monitor the forums a bit 
closer, but not all of those threads should have been merged. Regardless it was 
mostly just a rant that begs to question, should development releases be 
limited to those who have at least a basic understanding what the word 
development means? ;^)

I'd hope not actually because I might not be able to pass the test.

--- On Thu, 8/11/11, Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

From: Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com
Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] forum area
To: lubuntu-desktop lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Cc: ubuntu-qa-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com, 
ubuntu-beginners-coun...@lists.ubuntu.com
Date: Thursday, August 11, 2011, 6:30 PM

Whilst we cannot serve the forum area, would I ask people to keep an eye on 
them, and re-iterrate that bugs should be reported correctly.
Having discussions on areas that our devs do not monitor is regressive. I know 
that the ops on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=11142592 have and do 
wonderful work. If you see a posting, please 'report' it and ask the they move 
it there. All you need to do is click on 'REPORT'. the guys are not going to 
say it is spam. it just cuts down where we look and allows people on the forum 
to know to know better that they are not alone.

Herding the comments into one area is better for us  better for the forum area.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Alpha 3 testing

2011-08-02 Thread Lance
Arrgh, just realized when I sent this to Julien I forgot to cc the list.

Sorry,

Lance

--- On Mon, 8/1/11, Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com wrote:

From: Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Alpha 3 testing
To: Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com
Date: Monday, August 1, 2011, 11:20 PM

Hi Julien. I've just begun some Ubuntu Alpha3 iso-testing and I noticed Lubuntu 
is now listed, yeah!

But whether I use the links you provided or just go through the iso-tracker 
when I click on the disc graphic I just get the following page saying no image 
found:

http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/info/6096

I do however see that the daily iso has been updated now:

http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/current/

Is that the correct image? Maybe a link just needs to be fixed?

Thanks for all you do,

Lance

--- On Mon, 8/1/11, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

From: Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com
Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Alpha 3 testing
To:
 lubuntu-desktop lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Monday, August 1, 2011, 6:00 PM

Hi,

For Oneiric Alpha 3, there will be some changes for people who test the
ISOs. We are going to use http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ to track tests and
bugs on the ISOs :)

You can find documentation on
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures

Currently, there are 2 ISOs to test :
- Live i386 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/6096
- Live amd64 http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/6095
Alternates will probably be too late for Alpha 3, but we may be able to
test them in the futur.

For now,
 test cases are standard. If you have idea to extent them, fell
free to propose them, so we can discuss them on the list.

There are already several bugs reported about the ISO. Be sure to check
them before reporting a new bug. Also, be sure to subscribe to them if
you want to track progress on them :
- Jockey crashes on start : http://pad.lv/819506
- Missing icons in the menu : http://pad.lv/819525
- No indicators on lxpanel : http://pad.lv/819528
- Installer require 4.6 Gb of free space : http://pad.lv/819538
- Gwibber install by default : http://pad.lv/819519
- GTK3 applications doesn't have a theme : http://pad.lv/819529
- Generic icon for network-manager : http://pad.lv/796147
- Generic icon for jockey : http://pad.lv/819542

I also modified the page for testing on the wiki :
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing

And remember, Alpha 3 is planned for Thursday, don't start testing on
Friday ;)

Thanks in advance for all adventurous testers :)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne





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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Second Test Lubuntu Lucid 10.04.3 ISO image available

2011-08-01 Thread Lance
Just downloaded it, the md5sum I get is:

3f2d7b310e2db02a08b6085bd03b44ba  lubuntu-lucid-20110801-i386.iso

I'm going to go ahead and burn it because I seldom get a bad download, but 
thought I should verify all the same.

I'll let you know how things go.

--- On Sun, 7/31/11, Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm wrote:

From: Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Second Test Lubuntu Lucid 10.04.3 ISO image 
available
To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Sunday, July 31, 2011, 11:37 PM

On 07/31/2011 06:09 PM, Jonathan Marsden wrote:

 HOWEVER: *first*, the 10.04.3 image needs to work as designed, and
 actually install to a hard disk :)  ...


Well, I'm a significant step closer. A file called
lubuntu-lucid-20110801-i386.iso is being uploaded to Phill W's site as I
type.  It still has a non-functional Install Lubuntu menu item, but
the Try Lubuntu without installing one now has an appropriate
installer icon on the desktop, and clicking it works, allowing you to
install Lubuntu 10.04.3 to your hard drive.  At least, it works for me
in VirtualBox.

Once the upload finishes, it should available using

  wget -c http://phillw.net/lubuntu-lucid-20110801-i386.iso

I'm not sure how much more time I will be able to spend on this during
the work week, so I'm uploading a second test 10.04.3 ISO that I know
still has at least one significant flaw.  If anyone out there is
expecting a real fully working and fully tested Lubuntu 10.04.3
release image, then These are not the ISOs you are looking for :)

Jonathan

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Test Lubuntu Lucid 10.04.3 ISO image available

2011-07-31 Thread Lance
The first thing I notice is that there is no Install icon on the desktop or 
in the menu to allow installation from the Live Desktop. You can of course 
reboot and begin the installation process from the boot menu.

I just happened to look though and I see that I have an original Lubuntu 10.04 
Live CD so let me do a quick comparison. I'll still go ahead and run through 
three installation scenarios (an entire disc install, followed by an 
auto-resize install, and finally a manual partitioning install) just to be 
certain no cats are eaten ;^)

I also failed at running a persistent session with the Live CD using a 
casper-rw partition but I need to repeat that test to be certain what went 
wrong ... there's always a possibility that I goofed. ATM I don't have 
a spare flash drive to create a Live USB, but when I was iso-testing the Ubuntu 
10.04.3 images I found that bug #645818
  still existed so it's difficult to create a Lucid Live USB with some newer 
versions of usb-creator.

Also I may be unavailable for a few hours. I've been trying to get most of my 
physical work done early here before the heat sets in.

Thanks for all you do,

Lance

--- On Sun, 7/31/11, Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm wrote:

From: Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Test Lubuntu Lucid 10.04.3 ISO image available
To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Sunday, July 31, 2011, 12:14 AM

On 07/30/2011 10:02 PM, Jonathan Marsden wrote:

 My first attempt at an Lubuntu 10.04.3 ISO (warning: this is an
 unofficial, community version, which is relatively untested, and may eat
 your cat/steal your girlfriend/do bad things...) is now at
 
   ftp://ftp/jmarsden.org/pub/lubuntu-lucid-20110731-i386.iso


Typo alert!  Let's make that

  ftp://ftp.jmarsden.org/pub/lubuntu-lucid-20110731-i386.iso

Incidentally, there is an md5sum file for it at

  ftp://ftp.jmarsden.org/pub/lubuntu-lucid-20110731-i386.iso.md5

Jonathan


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Test Lubuntu Lucid 10.04.3 ISO image available

2011-07-31 Thread Lance
I just booted that original Lubuntu 10.04 CD and Install Lubuntu is on the 
desktop, whereas on the new 10.04.3 CD the only desktop icon present is My 
Documents which appears to open Home.

One other minor thing, well a difference between the two, the F6 option on the 
10.04 CD says Other options as seems normal, but the 10.04.3 CD says 
Password, although pressing F6 displays the expected options.

I'll run a few more tests ASAP. Oh, as far as I tell pcmanfm and all of the 
lxde apps seem to work well. Although I'm still quite new to Lubuntu so I could 
easily overlook something, but mounting filesystems (including a data flash 
drive) and browsing through system files seems to work quite well.

I'm very impressed with the simplicity and functionality of pcmanfm, IMHO it's 
a true work of art, very intuitive.

Lance

--- On Sun, 7/31/11, Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm wrote:

From: Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Test Lubuntu Lucid 10.04.3 ISO image available
To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Sunday, July 31, 2011, 12:14 AM

On 07/30/2011 10:02 PM, Jonathan Marsden wrote:

 My first attempt at an Lubuntu 10.04.3 ISO (warning: this is an
 unofficial, community version, which is relatively untested, and may eat
 your cat/steal your girlfriend/do bad things...) is now at
 
   ftp://ftp/jmarsden.org/pub/lubuntu-lucid-20110731-i386.iso


Typo alert!  Let's make that

  ftp://ftp.jmarsden.org/pub/lubuntu-lucid-20110731-i386.iso

Incidentally, there is an md5sum file for it at

  ftp://ftp.jmarsden.org/pub/lubuntu-lucid-20110731-i386.iso.md5

Jonathan


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Test Lubuntu Lucid 10.04.3 ISO image available

2011-07-31 Thread Lance
Regarding the lack of an install icon:

I booted the Live CD this time choosing to Install but it still booted to the 
Live Desktop. As I browsed about in pcmanfm I found the Lubuntu image and once 
opened it shows an install icon. I posted a screenshot here:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11104452postcount=149

I didn't try clicking on that yet to begin the installation but I wanted to let 
you know what I'd found.

Lance

--- On Sun, 7/31/11, Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm wrote:

From: Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Test Lubuntu Lucid 10.04.3 ISO image available
To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Sunday, July 31, 2011, 12:14 AM

On 07/30/2011 10:02 PM, Jonathan Marsden wrote:

 My first attempt at an Lubuntu 10.04.3 ISO (warning: this is an
 unofficial, community version, which is relatively untested, and may eat
 your cat/steal your girlfriend/do bad things...) is now at
 
   ftp://ftp/jmarsden.org/pub/lubuntu-lucid-20110731-i386.iso


Typo alert!  Let's make that

  ftp://ftp.jmarsden.org/pub/lubuntu-lucid-20110731-i386.iso

Incidentally, there is an md5sum file for it at

  ftp://ftp.jmarsden.org/pub/lubuntu-lucid-20110731-i386.iso.md5

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Test Lubuntu Lucid 10.04.3 ISO image available

2011-07-31 Thread Lance
OK, booted again and tried clicking on that install folder icon but it was a no 
go. I browsed about a bit in there but I'm stumped :^(

I haven't yet tried repeating that persistence test but I'll wait until I hear 
from you.

Note: I expect there to be official iso-testing of Ubuntu 11.10 Alpha3 images 
very soon, probably within 24 to 48 hours, so that will be a priority for me. 
Although as soon as Lubuntu is added to the QA-tracker I'll change my 
subscription from testing Ubuntu images to testing Lubuntu images ;^)

My guess is that most people wanting Lubuntu will want the latest and 
greatest anyway, and with 12.04 being the next LTS we could then decide what 
to do about LTS point releases. For example only Ubuntu and Kubuntu produced a 
10.04.3, Xubuntu did not, so there appears to be some leeway regarding that.

I'll admit that I'm just itching to see Lubuntu 11.10, or at the latest 
12.04, get into official iso-testing ;^)

Lance

--- On Sun, 7/31/11, Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm wrote:

From: Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Test Lubuntu Lucid 10.04.3 ISO image available
To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Sunday, July 31, 2011, 12:14 AM

On 07/30/2011 10:02 PM, Jonathan Marsden wrote:

 My first attempt at an Lubuntu 10.04.3 ISO (warning: this is an
 unofficial, community version, which is relatively untested, and may eat
 your cat/steal your girlfriend/do bad things...) is now at
 
   ftp://ftp/jmarsden.org/pub/lubuntu-lucid-20110731-i386.iso


Typo alert!  Let's make that

  ftp://ftp.jmarsden.org/pub/lubuntu-lucid-20110731-i386.iso

Incidentally, there is an md5sum file for it at

  ftp://ftp.jmarsden.org/pub/lubuntu-lucid-20110731-i386.iso.md5

Jonathan


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New ISO images available : Lubuntu

2011-07-27 Thread Lance
In deed, the image will get smaller.

My message may have been misleading. I was just reflecting on three years of 
iso-testing ;^)

It's not at all uncommon for dev images to be larger than normal, particularly 
during Alpha stage. Sorry if I caused any confusion.

--- On Wed, 7/27/11, Matthew Byers faintstlsa...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Matthew Byers faintstlsa...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New ISO images available : Lubuntu
To: gs linuxman...@att.net
Cc: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Wednesday, July 27, 2011, 5:01 PM

The image size will become smaller.


On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 5:18 PM, gs linuxman...@att.net wrote:





On 07/27/2011 12:08 AM, Lance wrote: 




This is excellent news. Hopefully Ubuntu QA will be able to add the Lubuntu 
images to iso-testing by either Alpha3 or Beta1. Once Lubuntu is included in 
iso-testing I'll shift my testing from Ubuntu desktop images to Lubuntu desktop 
images.


Don't worry too much about the oversize images. I've been iso-testing for quite 
some time and oversize images are the norm during alpha stage, and even the 
daily beta images are often oversize. As RC and final iso-testing approaches 
more effort is made at reducing the size of the images to under 700MB.


Many thanks for all of the great work,

Lance



--- On Tue, 7/26/11, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:


From: Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com
Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] New ISO images available : Lubuntu

To: Ubuntu Developers ubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com
Cc: lubuntu-desktop lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net

Date: Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 4:52 PM


Hi Ubuntu developers,

New images have pop up on cdimage.ubuntu.com [1]. Finally, Lubuntu is
out of the Ubuntu factory :) [2]

For people who don't know Lubuntu, this is a quick presentation. Lubuntu

is a distribution based on Ubuntu, and the LXDE desktop environnement.
The main goal is to provide a very lightweight distribution, but with
all the advantages of the Ubuntu world (repositories, support ...).
Currently we are using :

- Chromium for the browser
- Openbox for the windows manager
- Pcmanfm for the file manager
- Abiword + Gnumeric for office work
- Pidgin for IM
- Audacious for playing music
- Gnome-mplayer for videos

- Some GNOME components : evince, file-roller, gnome-keyring 
- Most of the LXDE components
You can find the complete list of applications by default on the wiki
[3].

After 2 years of work, and 3 unofficial releases (10.04, 10.10 and

11.04), we had recently an official go from the Technical Board and ISO
images are now made like other Ubuntu flavors. I hope the 11.10 will be
the 1st official release of Lubuntu as a member of the Ubuntu family :)


We have 2 important particularities. Like Xubuntu, we use another
GTK-based desktop environnement than GNOME, and we try to avoid
unnecessary GNOME depends which could slow the system. We need some
GNOME parts because LXDE doesn't provide all necessary components. It's

the reason why we are very careful about dependencies of those
applications.

We are also very strict with ressources requirement. It's the reason why
we don't include all Ubuntu specific applications. For example, we don't

include Software-Center because it's still a bit heavy for some of our
targets.

I would like to thanks all people who make this happen, especially Mark,
Colin and Emmet, and all people involved in the development of Lubuntu

and LXDE.

If you want to talk to the Lubuntu community, you can use our mailing
list (lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net) or IRC : #lubuntu on

Freenode. You can also find information on our wiki [3].

Thanks for your attention :)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


[1] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/

[2] It's still young images, which for now, are oversized, don't load
the desktop session, and have wrong splash images .. they should be
better in the futur :)
[3] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applications

[4] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] New ISO images available : Lubuntu

2011-07-26 Thread Lance
This is excellent news. Hopefully Ubuntu QA will be able to add the Lubuntu 
images to iso-testing by either Alpha3 or Beta1. Once Lubuntu is included in 
iso-testing I'll shift my testing from Ubuntu desktop images to Lubuntu desktop 
images.

Don't worry too much about the oversize images. I've been iso-testing for quite 
some time and oversize images are the norm during alpha stage, and even the 
daily beta images are often oversize. As RC and final iso-testing approaches 
more effort is made at reducing the size of the images to under 700MB.

Many thanks for all of the great work,

Lance



--- On Tue, 7/26/11, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

From: Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com
Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] New ISO images available : Lubuntu
To: Ubuntu Developers ubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com
Cc: lubuntu-desktop lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 4:52 PM

Hi Ubuntu developers,

New images have pop up on cdimage.ubuntu.com [1]. Finally, Lubuntu is
out of the Ubuntu factory :) [2]

For people who don't know Lubuntu, this is a quick presentation. Lubuntu
is a distribution based on Ubuntu, and the LXDE desktop environnement.
The main goal is to provide a very lightweight distribution, but with
all the advantages of the Ubuntu world (repositories, support ...).
Currently we are using :
- Chromium for the browser
- Openbox for the windows manager
- Pcmanfm for the file manager
- Abiword + Gnumeric for office work
- Pidgin for IM
- Audacious for playing music
- Gnome-mplayer for videos
- Some GNOME components : evince, file-roller, gnome-keyring 
- Most of the LXDE components
You can find the complete list of applications by default on the wiki
[3].

After 2 years of work, and 3 unofficial releases (10.04, 10.10 and
11.04), we had recently an official go from the Technical Board and ISO
images are now made like other Ubuntu flavors. I hope the 11.10 will be
the 1st official release of Lubuntu as a member of the Ubuntu family :)

We have 2 important particularities. Like Xubuntu, we use another
GTK-based desktop environnement than GNOME, and we try to avoid
unnecessary GNOME depends which could slow the system. We need some
GNOME parts because LXDE doesn't provide all necessary components. It's
the reason why we are very careful about dependencies of those
applications.

We are also very strict with ressources requirement. It's the reason why
we don't include all Ubuntu specific applications. For example, we don't
include Software-Center because it's still a bit heavy for some of our
targets.

I would like to thanks all people who make this happen, especially Mark,
Colin and Emmet, and all people involved in the development of Lubuntu
and LXDE.

If you want to talk to the Lubuntu community, you can use our mailing
list (lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net) or IRC : #lubuntu on
Freenode. You can also find information on our wiki [3].

Thanks for your attention :)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


[1] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/
[2] It's still young images, which for now, are oversized, don't load
the desktop session, and have wrong splash images .. they should be
better in the futur :)
[3] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applications
[4] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Alpha 2 cancelled

2011-07-24 Thread Lance
It was recently mentioned at the forums to possibly use the 
lubuntu-dev/staging ppa for bug testing. I've been using the 
lubuntu-dev/lubuntu-daily ppa for quite some time and I wonder if it's safe 
to mix the two ppa's?

I might just add that I've encountered only a few minor problems:

1) I can't for the life of me get the hardware temp monitor to work in lxpanel.

2) I wish I could increase the font size of the clock in lxpanel (poor 
eyesight).

3) Double (or triple) icon in the panel showing that my network is broken, 
although it's not.

4) When installing only lubuntu-core in an existing Ubuntu installation the 
package galculator is installed, and I wonder why that's a dependency of 
lubuntu-core rather than just lubuntu-desktop.

Note: I personally much prefer a clean install of Lubuntu anyway, but I 
anticipate others may want to at least try that approach.

Of course all of the above are very minor, insignificant things and I'm really 
impressed with Lubuntu in general. Many thanks to all involved for all of your 
efforts.

--- On Fri, 7/22/11, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

From: Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com
Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu Alpha 2 cancelled
To: lubuntu-desktop lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Friday, July 22, 2011, 9:34 AM

Hi,

Just to confirm that there will be no Alpha 2 of Lubuntu Oneiric. Works
are in progress to make it usable. I hope to have an Alpha 3 to test. 

For the build with Ubuntu ISO build system, we still blocked by
technical problems on Canonical side. I'll post when I have more news
about it.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Ubuntu Developer Week - Preparation

2011-07-04 Thread Lance
I've not been able to play at the desk much in the past few weeks. but the top 
of my list is:

1) Integrate with iso-testing so I can test Lubuntu rather than Ubuntu. 
(Although I'll still cross-test for certain bugs.)

2) I think you know what will work best with the documentation. I stumbled a 
bit at first but after corresponding briefly with you at the Ubuntu forums it 
all became clear.

3) Bug reporting info is good but may need some refining.

I'm personally quite pleased with Lubuntu, both Natty and Oneiric. Beyond being 
a great light-weight distro I think it offers a sweet alternative to the 
newer Unity and Gnome options ;^)

BTW I can get Lubuntu to run on a PII 333mhz CPU w/256mb RAM, not live but if 
I choose install it does install and work properly - certainly better than 
Win 98 :^)

--- On Mon, 7/4/11, Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

From: Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com
Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Ubuntu Developer Week - Preparation
To: lubuntu-desktop lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Monday, July 4, 2011, 5:01 PM

Well,
very quickly, what do all wish me to concentrate upon?
My view is where we came on from and our rasion d'etre 
There still seems to be an issue 
between https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/FAQ , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu#Downloading
 Lubuntu and the information on http://lubuntu.net/

A new comer to Lubuntu cares not about which area has the up to date 
information. All that matters to them is that we do not get one set of 
information on lubuntu.net that is not in synch with the other and, vice versa.

Whatever Lubuntu area is chosen for the most up to date information is THE 
area, all others feed off it.
I know that I am awaiting for the build system to be finalised, I can and will 
happily explain that we are awaiting.

It was nice to be asked from the Lubuntu area to make a presentation to 
everyone. We have enough time (well, about 10 days). Please do shout and scream 
at me. 
Regards,

Phill.


-- Forwarded message --
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Subject: Ubuntu Developer Week - Preparation
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ba...@canonical.com, Bhavani Shankar R bh...@ubuntu.com, Martin Pitt 
martin.p...@ubuntu.com, Brian Murray br...@ubuntu.com, Deryck Hodge 
deryck.ho...@canonical.com, Nathan Handler nhand...@ubuntu.com, David 
Planella david.plane...@canonical.com, John Johansen 
john.johan...@canonical.com, Dustin Kirkland dustin.kirkl...@canonical.com, 
Zygmunt Krynicki zygmunt.kryni...@canonical.com, Mark Russell 
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Pedro Villavicencio pedro.villavicen...@canonical.com,
 phi...@ubuntu.com



Hello everybody,



first of all: thank you very much for agreeing to give a session at this

cycle's Ubuntu Developer Week! UDW would be nothing without you.



Please forward this message to people who will give the session together

with you, so they know what's going on and who to ask for help if necessary.



We are going to announce the event either today or tomorrow and there is

only very little for you to do until then (apart from preparing a few

bits for your session... :-)).





You might have heard of Lernid already. Think of it as a great way to

join into learning events on IRC. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lernid has

more info about it. We will advertise this as a good way for new people

to join UDW. The great thing is that they don't have to bother with IRC

and stuff, but also that links you mention automatically are opened in a

webpage pane and that if you decide to use slides (in .pdf format), you

can demo them too.



https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lernid/Session%20Leaders has more info about how

to do that. If you want your presentation to be available for the event,

either send me a link to it or the presentation itself.





https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek is the final schedule and I

just set up https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Sessions where

you can ask the attendants of your sessions to prepare themselves, if

necessary. Also describe what the session is about. Please update the

page accordingly.



For those of you who have not participated in an Ubuntu Developer Week

before, this is roughly how it works:



 - Sessions are held in #ubuntu-classroom on irc.freenode.net. It will

   almost exclusively you speaking in there. Please try to finish your

   session in time for the next session.

 - Some sessions 

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.

2011-06-19 Thread Lance
@ Jonathan and Julien,

This sounds great. I'll try to check this out in the next couple of days:

https://launchpad.net/~jmarsden/+archive/lubuntu

A shared PPA, like lubuntu-dev/lubuntu-daily sounds like a great idea.

I'm moving my home office ATM, LAN wiring is complete, but I may be tied up 
with this mess for a while.


--- On Sun, 6/19/11, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

From: Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a 
new release.
To: Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm
Cc: Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com, lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Sunday, June 19, 2011, 5:57 AM

Le Saturday 18 June 2011 à 21:31 -0700, Jonathan Marsden a écrit :
 Option (2) happened, or is happening.
 
 My PPA at ppa:jmarsden/lubuntu now has libfm and pcmanfm versions for
 Natty 11.04, packages that you can help us test.  They are being built
 from the upstream git development source code.  Right now, the amd64
 versions are already there, and the i386 build of pcmanfm should
 arrive
 in a couple of hours.  So
 
   sudo add-apt-repository ppa:jmarsden/lubuntu
   sudo apt-get update
   sudo apt-get install pcmanfm
 
 should get you a packaged pcmanfm you can test.
 
 Jonathan 

Could we push them to a shared PPA, like lubuntu-dev/lubuntu-daily ?
I'll will set up the rest of lxde components to have fully daily build
fo LXDE.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.

2011-06-11 Thread Lance
As a complete noob to Lubuntu (moving from Ubuntu/Gnome) I wonder if it would 
be possible to test this via a PPA before committing to a change for Oneiric.

Take note; I'm only an iso-tester so I'm clueless about the complexity 
involved, but I find pcmanfm quite easy to adapt to (basically just simple and 
intuitive) so I'm reluctant to see the devs make any changes that could 
possibly have a negative effect ;^)

I just want to see Lubuntu remain as stable as it is while confronting it's 
current challenges:

1) Becoming a full fledged member of the Ubuntu family.

2) IMHO maintaining a very feasible fall-back for those turned off by gnome3, 
gnome-shell, and/or unity :^)

3) Implementing the change to GTK+ 3.

Of course this is just an opinion from a true end user with a bit of testing 
experience.


--- On Sat, 6/11/11, PCMan pcman...@gmail.com wrote:

From: PCMan pcman...@gmail.com
Subject: [Lubuntu-desktop] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new 
release.
To: lxde-list lxde-l...@lists.sourceforge.net, pcmanfm-develop 
pcmanfm-deve...@lists.sourceforge.net, lubuntu-desktop 
lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net, lxde-i...@lists.sourceforge.net
Date: Saturday, June 11, 2011, 12:21 PM

Hi all,
I'm here to call for a review for PCManFM as the source code in git is
in quite good shape now.
Many known bugs are fixed and I did much refactor to the tabbed
browsing part and merge changes in tab-rework3 branch with master.
Please help test and update translations in various distros. If things
are ok, I propose a new release.

Some major changes:
1. Reload Folder is available now in View menu.
2. Directory Tree mode is available in side pane.
3. Filesystem size is updated in a more correctly and efficient way.
4. Many bugs causing crashes are fixed.
5. Shows a warning icon in toolbar when running as root.
6. Supports menu keys.

minor changes:
1. Fixed some memory leaks.
2. ~ and / to move focus to location bar
3. Improve internal structure of PCManFM.
4. Code cleanup.

A new release as 0.9.9 is required. Please help review and test the code in git.
Thanks a lot.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Proposed changes to lubuntu-desktop

2011-06-07 Thread Lance
Generally speaking, packages like lubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-desktop are 
meta-packages:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MetaPackages

It's generally OK to remove a meta-package but you must know what you're doing 
to some degree. For instance I could remove 'lxterminal' but if I did so prior 
to installing another terminal I'd be pretty well up a creek w/o a paddle.

Aysiu from Ubuntu forums created a guide here:

http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/index

If you look at the Playing Around section you'll get a good general idea what 
I'm talking about.

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From: Todd Carnes toddcar...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Proposed changes to lubuntu-desktop
To: lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Tuesday, June 7, 2011, 6:08 PM

On Tue, 7 Jun 2011 08:15:16 -0400
Tim Bernhard ohiom...@gmail.com wrote:

 The only thing I don't like is the games.  (Is there an easy way for me to
 remove the games all at once??  I never really looked into it.)

I wanted to remove them (as well as Abiword  Gnumeric), but when I tell 
Synaptic to get rid of them, it says that it must remove lubuntu-desktop as 
well. So, not wanting to destroy an otherwise great system, I cancel out of it.

It does irk me though that lubuntu presumes to know better than I what is 
needed on my system and threatens to self-destruct if I don't do as it says.
-- 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] The need to improve Lubuntu bug filing

2011-06-05 Thread Lance
Thanks for responding Julien. I hadn't seen the release announcement (didn't 
know there was one) because I subscribed to the mailing list after that. I have 
now however found it in the archives, and I posted the text at the forums to 
hopefully prevent a flood of questions or bug reports.

Regarding the lacking restart or shutdown buttons I posted a screenshot here:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/792850

Note that I could only start the DE by typing startx. I'm not sure I know how 
to restart lxdm. I tried sudo service lxdm start and that failed, but I'm 
used to Gnome so I will have a learning curve to tackle with Lubuntu ;^)

Regardless don't worry much about these particular bugs. I was just trying to 
prepare for changing the lion's share of my iso-testing to Lubuntu once it's 
added to the list. I should be able to repeat tests to see if bugs exist in 
both Ubuntu and Lubuntu.

Regarding my original point, when I look here:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReportingBugs

I still wonder if the package 'lubuntu-desktop' shouldn't be included as an 
option so people can file a bug against Lubuntu when they're otherwise unsure 
what specific package is involved?

I'll do everything in my power to help the project. IMHO Lubuntu is just great, 
besides being lightweight it could be a great bridge for those who don't 
quite love Unity and/or gnome3.

I find the DE very easy to adapt to having used gnome2 since Gutsy. 

--- On Sun, 6/5/11, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

From: Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] The need to improve Lubuntu bug filing
To: Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com
Cc: lubuntu-desktop lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Sunday, June 5, 2011, 7:48 AM

Hi,

Thanks for your help. However, as I said in Alpha 1 announcement, bugs
on the ISO will probably be invalid when we will switch to the official
ISO building infrastructure.

Le Friday 03 June 2011 à 10:47 -0700, Lance a écrit :
 1) The Lubuntu Alpha1 Live CD boots to a tty, so you have to type
 startx to get the DE.
I saw it sometimes, restarting lxdm or just waiting fix the problem. 

 2) The default DE lacks restart or shutdown buttons.
Screenshot needed :)

 3) Upon completing the installation I was asked whether to restart or
 keep using the Live DE as usual. I chose to restart and the CD ejected
 as expected but the screen was just blank. So I removed the CD, closed
 the tray and hit enter, but nothing happened. I tried some common key
 combos but finally had to use the reset button on my box to complete
 the restart. 
Never see it, but pressing reboot button should not hurt too much :)

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] The need to improve Lubuntu bug filing

2011-06-05 Thread Lance
Indeed, you're right. Using sudo /etc/init.d/lxdm restart does complete the 
live CD boot process and lands me in a true Lubuntu DE instead of that LXDE. 
And the buttons are there in the Lubuntu DE so it's all somehow related to the 
Live CD not completing the boot process on it's own.

No worries. Since you have a whole new build process in the works I look 
forward to helping you test. Sorry to be a nuisance.

--- On Sun, 6/5/11, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

From: Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] The need to improve Lubuntu bug filing
To: Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com
Cc: lubuntu-desktop lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Sunday, June 5, 2011, 3:48 PM

Le Sunday 05 June 2011 à 13:14 -0700, Lance a écrit :
 Regarding the lacking restart or shutdown buttons I posted a
 screenshot here:
 
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/792850 

I think it's because you use startx. LXDM do some black magic to enable
features that startx probably doesn't (consolkit here). I suspect it's
because you don't have some commands.

Regards,
Julien Lavergne

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] The need to improve Lubuntu bug filing

2011-06-04 Thread Lance
I may have done a bit of a bad job explaining myself. I'm not too concerned ATM 
about the bugs I encountered, I'm just testing the waters in order to be as 
useful to the Lubuntu project as possible. Since time is limited please look at 
my test bug report and also this forum thread (no need to comment at the 
forums):

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/792850

http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10901610postcount=10

I did have one other thought however. Do you suppose the Ubuntu Forum mods 
might grant us permission to start a sub-forum here:

http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=46

All thoughts are welcome. My ideas may stink and I don't mind being told so.


--- On Fri, 6/3/11, Chris cyber.dr...@gmail.com wrote:

From: Chris cyber.dr...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] The need to improve Lubuntu bug filing
To: Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com
Cc: Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com, lubuntu-desktop 
lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Friday, June 3, 2011, 8:38 PM

Hello Lance,
I haven't run oneiric yet, but I think the missing of shutdown/restart buttons 
is due to not having GTK3 icons for that. We're hard at work in creating the 
new themes for oneiric, which should be GTK3 ready. And just pressing 
enter/return didn't do the trick on getting along with the installer (bug 3)?


Welcome to the crew by the way.
With metta,
Chris Druif

On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 00:22, Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com wrote:


 hiyas kansasnoob,

firstly, great to see you - I don't get onto the forum areas as much as I used 
to (or should do). The A1 is still built the 'old way' and is, afaik, just a 
toe stretching session for the new kernel to be included. There has been some 
work the apps  done, along with deciding which applications we include by 
default. Pcman has a new pcmanfm out in the wild for us to break. Hooks for 
apport are on the TODO list and are being added, but the 1,000 dedicated 
developers we have . err, well, I may have over estimated by 998 are 
awaiting getting their teeth into the 'official' iso building system. This 
should be done for a2.




The general page for 11.10 is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers

Progress on the apport hooks can be found at 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/TODO




If you, or any of the testers on the main area would like to keep abreast of 
what Lubuntu is up to, please doe feel free to add the mailing list to your 
cluttered boxes (We don't send that many out!) 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved has the one click link to get 
the lubuntu discussions.




Please give my regards to Ranch Hand, I must pop on and find out what better 
name he has for 11.10 - I will make a point of letting the testing area know 
when A2 comes out, but the a1 had little in the way of changes. 




Apart from anything else, it will be nice to 'touch base' with all you great 
people again.
For A2, I will try to get a set of notes together so you good people know where 
Lubuntu is headed for 11.10, as it is the precursor for 12.04 (LTS) we need to 
get as many bugs ironed out as possible during the 11.10 cycle (errr, you may 
recall Grub2 coming out in 9.10 :P ). 



Lubuntu is also now popping it's toe into the water for accessibility, but 
realistically this is a couple of cycles away - we simply do not have enough 
devs. Accessibility could do themselves a favour, but we do have a meeting 
coming up under Jono Bacon to allow us to ask questions. It is times like this 
I miss Ranch Hand's 'say it as it is' attitude, although JM one of our devs is 
no shrinking violet. I'm sure he and Ranch Hand would get on great :P




My kindest regards to you and the rest of the testers,

Phill.
P.S. - Now go and dig me up a spare developer or two :D
@ Julien and JM - if there is any thing factually incorrect, please correct me.






On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com wrote:






First a brief intro. I'm Erick Brunzell at Launchpad, Lance at iso-testing (in 
which I've participated for over 3 years), and kansasnoob at Ubuntu forums.

I'm quite glad to see that Lubuntu will soon become an official member of the 
Ubuntu family. I particularly look forward to the day that Lubuntu's images are 
included in Ubuntu's iso-testing.




Anyway I obtained the Lubuntu Oneiric Alpha1 image here:

http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/

And naturally I encountered a few minor bugs. To expect any less this early in 
a dev cycle is insane, but I still felt they should be reported. The specific 
bugs are:




1) The Lubuntu Alpha1 Live CD boots to a tty, so you have to type startx to get 
the DE.

2) The default DE lacks restart or shutdown buttons.

3) Upon completing the installation I was asked whether to restart or
 keep 
using the Live DE as usual. I chose to restart and 
the CD ejected as expected but the screen was just blank. So I removed the CD, 
closed the tray and hit enter, but nothing 
happened. I tried some

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] The need to improve Lubuntu bug filing

2011-06-04 Thread Lance
The forum thing was actually an afterthought, and perhaps a poor one.

My original intention was to explore the proper manner of filing bugs against 
Lubuntu when it's known that the same bugs don't exist in Ubuntu or another 
variant.

In this case the actual apps effected were probably casper and ubiquity, but I 
knew the same issues weren't present in Ubuntu.

I know sometimes, if in doubt, filing against a meta-package will draw the 
needed attention and get a bug properly reassigned.

--- On Sat, 6/4/11, matthew byers faintstlsa...@gmail.com wrote:

From: matthew byers faintstlsa...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] The need to improve Lubuntu bug filing
To: Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com
Cc: Chris cyber.dr...@gmail.com, Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com, 
lubuntu-desktop lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net
Date: Saturday, June 4, 2011, 3:15 PM

Per the post on the foums that i just read is all this questioning the need of 
a official forum for lubuntu?


On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com wrote:





I may have done a bit of a bad job explaining myself. I'm not too concerned ATM 
about the bugs I encountered, I'm just testing the waters in order to be as 
useful to the Lubuntu project as possible. Since time is limited please look at 
my test bug report and also this forum thread (no need to comment at the 
forums):


https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/792850

http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=10901610postcount=10


I did have one other thought however. Do you suppose the Ubuntu Forum mods 
might grant us permission to start a sub-forum here:

http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=46


All thoughts are welcome. My ideas may stink and I don't mind being told so.


--- On Fri, 6/3/11, Chris cyber.dr...@gmail.com wrote:



From: Chris cyber.dr...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] The need to improve Lubuntu bug filing

To: Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com
Cc: Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com, lubuntu-desktop 
lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net

Date: Friday, June 3, 2011, 8:38 PM 





Hello Lance, 


I haven't run oneiric yet, but I think the missing of shutdown/restart buttons 
is due to not having GTK3 icons for that. We're hard at work in creating the 
new themes for oneiric, which should be GTK3 ready. And just pressing 
enter/return didn't do the trick on getting along with the installer (bug 3)?



Welcome to the crew by the way.


With metta,


Chris Druif


On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 00:22, Phill Whiteside phi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

 hiyas kansasnoob,

firstly, great to see you - I don't get onto the forum areas as much as I used 
to (or should do). The A1 is still built the 'old way' and is, afaik, just a 
toe stretching session for the new kernel to be included. There has been some 
work the apps done, along with deciding which applications we include by 
default. Pcman has a new pcmanfm out in the wild for us to break. Hooks for 
apport are on the TODO list and are being added, but the 1,000 dedicated 
developers we have . err, well, I may have over estimated by 998 are 
awaiting getting their teeth into the 'official' iso building system. This 
should be done for a2.


The general page for 11.10 is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers

Progress on the apport hooks can be found at 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers/TODO


If you, or any of the testers on the main area would like to keep abreast of 
what Lubuntu is up to, please doe feel free to add the mailing list to your 
cluttered boxes (We don't send that many out!) 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved has the one click link to get 
the lubuntu discussions.


Please give my regards to Ranch Hand, I must pop on and find out what better 
name he has for 11.10 - I will make a point of letting the testing area know 
when A2 comes out, but the a1 had little in the way of changes. 


Apart from anything else, it will be nice to 'touch base' with all you great 
people again.
For A2, I will try to get a set of notes together so you good people know where 
Lubuntu is headed for 11.10, as it is the precursor for 12.04 (LTS) we need to 
get as many bugs ironed out as possible during the 11.10 cycle (errr, you may 
recall Grub2 coming out in 9.10 :P ). 

Lubuntu is also now popping it's toe into the water for accessibility, but 
realistically this is a couple of cycles away - we simply do not have enough 
devs. Accessibility could do themselves a favour, but we do have a meeting 
coming up under Jono Bacon to allow us to ask questions. It is times like this 
I miss Ranch Hand's 'say it as it is' attitude, although JM one of our devs is 
no shrinking violet. I'm sure he and Ranch Hand would get on great :P


My kindest regards to you and the rest of the testers,

Phill.
P.S. - Now go and dig me up a spare developer or two :D
@ Julien and JM - if there is any thing factually incorrect, please correct me.








On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 6:47 PM, Lance lbsol...@yahoo.com

[Lubuntu-desktop] The need to improve Lubuntu bug filing

2011-06-03 Thread Lance
First a brief intro. I'm Erick Brunzell at Launchpad, Lance at iso-testing (in 
which I've participated for over 3 years), and kansasnoob at Ubuntu forums.

I'm quite glad to see that Lubuntu will soon become an official member of the 
Ubuntu family. I particularly look forward to the day that Lubuntu's images are 
included in Ubuntu's iso-testing.

Anyway I obtained the Lubuntu Oneiric Alpha1 image here:

http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/

And naturally I encountered a few minor bugs. To expect any less this early in 
a dev cycle is insane, but I still felt they should be reported. The specific 
bugs are:

1) The Lubuntu Alpha1 Live CD boots to a tty, so you have to type startx to get 
the DE.

2) The default DE lacks restart or shutdown buttons.

3) Upon completing the installation I was asked whether to restart or keep 
using the Live DE as usual. I chose to restart and 
the CD ejected as expected but the screen was just blank. So I removed the CD, 
closed the tray and hit enter, but nothing 
happened. I tried some common key combos but finally had to use the 
reset button on my box to complete the restart.

Of course none of these are serious or unexpected this early in a dev cycle, 
but I wanted to get my feet wet checking out bug filing against Lubuntu anyway, 
and I'm a bit puzzled.

I'm used to iso-testing pure Ubuntu so all of the above bugs would be filed 
against 'casper' but I know these bugs were not present when I tested Ubuntu so 
I thought I should possibly file them against the meta-package 
'lubuntu-desktop' but that's a no-go.

I'm just wondering if the meta-package 'lubuntu-desktop' should be added to 
launchpad as a bug filing option?

I'm very impressed with the Lubuntu project and I hope my iso-testing skills 
may be helpful at some point, but I have no development skills. I'm just a 
tester.

Apologies in advance if I was wrong posting in this manner.

Sincerely,

Lance
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