[Lubuntu-desktop] Release lxpanel in January? (was: Re: [Lxde-list] About lxpanel2)

2011-12-28 Thread Martin Bagge / brother
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On 2011-12-27 16:56, Julien Lavergne wrote:
 The spec sounds interesting, don't hesitate to push something when
 you have a working version.

release early, release often. yes please.

 However, I think we should keep lxpanel in maintenance mode, and
 include external contributions, as long as they are working, and not
 breaking anything :) This panel will be there for quite sometimes, we
 should not abandon it for now, at least until the rewrite is good
 enough.

Yes.
Some of you probably remember the release schedule message I sent some
weeks back; ubuntu 12.04 will by no means include lxpanel2 and I guess
the same goes for debian wheezy and both of them has 2+ years of support
in the distribution level. LXPanel (hate it or not) will be around for a
long time.

I'll work with the recent changes and try to go to release in early
January and will follow up on that release in February/March with a bug
fixes focused release. This will get the additional code in a rather
good state and the translators will be mostly done in time for at least
lubuntu 12.04.

Objections?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lxde-list] Roadmap: Bugs to fix before pcmanfm 1.0 release.

2011-11-19 Thread Martin Bagge / brother
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On 2011-11-18 20:49, PCMan wrote:
 I just took hours and cleaned up the bug tracker of pcmanfm and did
 some triage for all of the opened bugs today.

\o/
I hope this was not because you hate yourself or something. That sounds
super boring and super important at the same time.

 Here are the remaining ones I'm going to fix for 1.0 release. 
 http://goo.gl/2cT2x

\o/

 Custom actions support for the popup menus is already finished. 
 (experimental and not recommended for daily use yet)

Not in a branch at origin yet right?

 I'm not able to give a nice time table or release schedule since I
 have to find some spare time for coding.

This is all I need. Fixed release dates and stuff like that I am not a
fan of (but being vocal WHEN to release if there are good progress is
something I am even more a fan of!).

At FSCONS I stumbled over a talk about Fedora and they had their release
plan in the slides, got me thinking that I should  do the same thing I
did some months ago with alining the release schedules.
And as always I think the major distros freeze dates are of interest
when trying to plan ahead.

I hope people participating in the actual projects listed can confirm my
interpretation of the schedules.

Fedora: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/17/Schedule
My assesment is that a release in February would be the last resort (not
counting bugs).

OpenSUSE: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Roadmap
The latest release was this week, I am not sure how andrea coped with
the summer releases I did. Hopefully it all went well =)
For 12.2 the release date is 2012-07-12 and based on the release plan
for 12.1 that would mean freezing in April or something like that.

Lubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseSchedule (draft!?)
The next Ubuntu release is a LTS, long term commitment and all that.
February 16 at 21:00 UTC is the freeze, bugs and minor changes are
generally accepted later on. Beta 2 freeze is set to the 22nd of March
and more or less marks the final step to get things in. Only security
updates are accepted beyond here.

Debian: http://release.debian.org
The freeze is set to June 2012, so no later than May? (bugs and such aside)

Arch linux does not schedule releases as far as I have understood.

Based on this I would say that having major changes (API or others) is
no later than February 2012. That would target both Fedora and Lubuntu well.

Releases in April/May would be good things for OpenSUSE and Debian.

 There will be no change in strings/translations, or UI.

If we have someone brave enough that has English as mother tongue I
would welcome a complete reread of the application, no specific end
date. Such a debate probably should go to lxde-i...@lists.sf.net though
before we change the strings. But still. Not a bad thing to do every now
and then.

Maybe ask people in the distribution i18n communities to help with this
if they have the time to do it?
Arch? Debian? Fedora? Lubuntu? OpenSUSE?

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lxde-list] Facebook and LXDE Forum

2011-09-08 Thread Martin Bagge / brother
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On 2011-09-08 09:41, Ali Linx wrote:
 1- I didn't find that channel, could you please post me the link
 again? I joined OFTC but when I searched for lxde, I didn't find it.

No need to search if you know the channel name. Use the command input
part of your client (the part where you write messages to the channel
and so on).
/join #lxde

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lxde-list] About GTK2 - GTK3 Migration, a critical issue

2011-08-16 Thread Martin Bagge / brother
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On 2011-08-15 15:50, Julien Lavergne wrote:
 I made some local changes on gpicview, it should build with GTK3, but it's 
 still not working (segfault on loading image). I'll commit it to trunk when 
 I'll be back home.

I hope I misread you now but if not I want to make it clear.

Do /NOT/ commit things that are not complete/do not work in the master
branch. Not even if it require a --enable-gtk-3 or whatever for configure.

We use git and have cheap branches, there are no reason at all to not
use them. When done hacking and it works as intended use the rebase
approach and get it into master.

If someone need assistance with working with please ask and I (or
whoever) will help you to master the repo.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lxde-i18n] Time to release pcmanfm 0.9.9?

2011-07-11 Thread Martin Bagge / brother
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On 2011-07-11 05:46, PCMan wrote:
 If everybody agrees with making a new release, then let's bump version
 number and soname and package a new tarball.

I guess there should be both libfm and pcmanfm to be consistent.
When you are ready for release just ping me and I will sync the files at
the server and make call for string updates.

The sooner the better; release around Wednesday 27th of July should be
possible.

If you have the time it would be good if some release notes could be
prepared and posted to MLs before release. I am not a native English
speaker but I know there are some of them reading the lists and input on
grammar and spelling for these things are always welcome imho.
If you rather not do the RN I can try to fetch the important changes
since last release and provide them in some nice form.

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[Lubuntu-desktop] LXDE Components without gtk3 support / release planning?

2011-06-30 Thread Martin Bagge / brother
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crossposting like a maniac, sorry - I do not think lxde-list is working
yet...

We had a discussion yesterday night (CEST) on IRC regarding the shape of
LXDE components and when to release and stuff.

GTK3
Support for building for GTK3 is in place for most of the components but
not all. These should be the ones to look at.
* gtknetcat
* libfm
* lxappearance-obconf
* lxmenu-data
* lxmusic
* lxpanel
* lxpolkit

It might just need the correct build things and so on, I have really no
clue here - I am just the messenger.


Addendum:
Not related to the above we also talked briefly about doing releases of
the other components. I will put together a list of changes for the
components that we can work with to decide of a new release is needed
sooner or later for a specific component.
I told earlier that I am interested in doing l10n-only releases if
needed be, that will be one of the metrics in this.
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[Lubuntu-desktop] Licensing issues (WAS: Re: Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.)

2011-06-25 Thread Martin Bagge / brother

On Thu, 23 Jun 2011, Jonathan Marsden wrote:


If was OK when squeeze was released, why is it RC now?


Because now we know it and must take care of it. So there should be a RC 
bug opened against pcmanfm with all the remarks inside it. As long as that 
bug is open the software should not be included in the main stable 
release.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.

2011-06-19 Thread Martin Bagge / brother

On Sun, 19 Jun 2011, PCMan wrote:


Cons:
1. If some newly added po files are broken, this automatically breaks
the build process.


I see this as a pro rather than a con. I do builds of git HEAD within 120 
minutes after a change enters the master branch (during my wokring hours 
and when I am not away ofc). This is intended to be more automated but I 
haven't really seen the absolute need.
As I am almost always part of adding new PO files I blame myself and fixes 
the issues when I see them.



2. Some translation with bad quality becomes available before they're
well-tested.


This is always a problem and can also be part of long standing 
translations that don't get proper reviews and such.



Current approach is very convenient, but later proven to be
problematic sometimes if there are some broken po files added to the
repo. So, should we change it? If we do change it, I hope that our
translation coordinator can help maintain the LINGUAS files for all
LXDE components to keep them up to date.
Any comments?


I rather not maitain a LINGUAS file. It was a PITA when we did that back 
then. Some benefits but more administration.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] autogenerating pcmanfm LINGUAS file

2011-06-19 Thread Martin Bagge / brother

On Sun, 19 Jun 2011, Jonathan Marsden wrote:


Perhaps whoever adds the .po files should also test them?  Or if this is
100% automated, then perhaps we/you/someone needs to check a daily
automated build to verify nothing bad has happened, or set up an
automated alert email to be sent to you if it breaks?


This is manual work and I like to keep it that way.
Because of this there are untranslated work at the Pootle server that are 
not included in the git HEAD.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lxde-i18n] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.

2011-06-13 Thread Martin Bagge / brother
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On 2011-06-13 14:27, Julien Lavergne wrote:
 Le Monday 13 June 2011 à 19:17 +0800, PCMan a écrit :
 - Please bump the soname of your library each time you change your API.
 Distributions can do smooth transitions between versions of
 libfm/pcmanfm. Also, if you expect other applications to use libfm, you
 need to use the soname.
 I want to do this for stable tarball releases only. In current stage
 of development, change of API/ABIs can be frequent.
 Ok, but technically, it's used as a stable application on, at least,
 Debian and Ubuntu (and probably many other distributions).
 
 So, what is missing for having a stable release of pcmanfm ? Any major
 features are still missing ?

As far as I see it the current git HEAD is not /released/. When that
happens a git tag will be produced and a tar ball distributed to sf.net
project pages. Until then pcman do not want to bump things as they might
change numerous times before the release is done. Using git HEAD as
source for a package in a distribution is not what pcman wants (and I
support this way).

 - Don't hesitate to do releases often, it's better for distributions :)
 Even if bugs are discovered shortly after the release, you can still do
 a quick X.X.1 release to fix this.

 Given the program is now used by so many users, it's better to have
 releases with better quality.

 But it's better than no release at all, especially for application still
 in development. Last official release is 2010-10-14 (according to
 http://sourceforge.net/projects/pcmanfm/files/ ), more than six months
 ago.

I think the old saying release early, release often is key and
important. I do think we should aim for qualty too ofc but with frequent
updates it will be there and it will draw even more attention to the
product imho. I am with gilir on this one.
It also ties together with my notion of not using git HEAD to base
packages in distributions on, if there are frequent releases it is more
likely the distributions will use $LATEST_TAG rather than giot HEAD.
If needed be I am willing to set up a development model with branches
for this, this is what I do for a living anyhow (I don't think we do
need that though).

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lxde-i18n] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.

2011-06-13 Thread Martin Bagge / brother

On Mon, 13 Jun 2011, Chris wrote:


I've read all the other mails as well, but wanted to reply to this one. Is
there an easy way to update/translate sections? I might be able to help in
nl and on a side note; which language is the base as no language is 100%
translated?


English is the base language, if you know another language better you can 
use that as base but it is not really supported and you have to do stuff 
wourself. It's outside of using Pootle as tool at least.


Doing the updates and stuff is very easy, I use intltool-update and some 
helper scripts around git to do the things. Most are executed by cron and 
it pings me when I need to manually solve things. Merge conflicts and 
such.


nl got a new translator recently and he is very active (in cc) and you 
guys should take a chat offlist and stuff. Ping me if you need some 
assistance in any way.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Pcmanfm-develop] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.

2011-06-13 Thread Martin Bagge / brother

On Mon, 13 Jun 2011, Sérgio Cipolla wrote:


Martin, you're the git specialist. But regarding releasing LXDE
components, maybe some could have a new release.


I guess they need that indeed. Haven't checked though.


LXTask had a memory leak fixed and was about to be released then nobody
talked about it anymore.


That's on my todo for the week, I posted[1] that I was swamped by other 
things. Did the git tag but lacked all the other parts to be able to 
release. The sitution has cleared up now and only remaining thing is to 
produce the tar file and upload it to SF.net. I guess it should be blogged 
and stuff but noone has written any release notes so I have to do that 
too, reading git log to find out what was done.



Most components have much improved translations since they were last
released and these could have a minor point release.


I am not opposing a translation only release, planning for such a thing 
might even bring attention to other things that need to get there. I am 
not skilled enough to make these decisions - just tell me that we should 
go to release and I handle the process.



Now an observation. In a constructive manner.
I see that Julien Lavergne is mostly the only one that has been working
on the apps but ideally, in a non technical opinion as I'm not a
programmer, I think that the master branch in git should be reserved for
bug fixes and pre-tested improvements.
Untested code (like these recent gtk3 compatibility commits that have
broken, for instance, lxpanel and lxterminal in a very basic way or
gpicview that has something that looks like a typo and makes it not even
compile) would be commited to another branch and then the commiter could
ask for testing in the mailing list.

The benefits for the workflow and for multiple contributions is evident.


Yes please, more testing and more contributions. I applaud.

I could make the buildbot produce the release tar files on successful 
builds if that would benefit people. I probably have to find how to make 
it build on updated git repos then. As it stands now I do the builds when 
I have time to watch them/as often as I get a build needed message from 
the Pootle server - a check is done every two hours during my working 
hours (7-24 CEST).


Ideas and thoughts about the process to make things more lean is 
appreciated. I am not a developer skilled enough to hack on the actual 
source code but I am more than willing to dig in and do processes and 
workflows and stuff like that. If I can do things in script it is even 
better.


[1] It's not available from the LXDE-list archives as that mailing 
list seem to have dropped of the Internet somehow mid May.


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Pcmanfm-develop] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.

2011-06-13 Thread Martin Bagge / brother

On Tue, 14 Jun 2011, Julien Lavergne wrote:


Martin and I could probably help in the process, but we don't have
access for uploading tarballs on sourceforce. That's also why lxtask was
not officially release weeks ago.


According to a mail from pcman I do have access to upload files at SF.net 
since May or something.

Haven't checked the things yet though.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lxde-i18n] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.

2011-06-11 Thread Martin Bagge / brother

On Sun, 12 Jun 2011, PCMan wrote:

Please help test and update translations in various distros. If things
are ok, I propose a new release.


PO files at Pootle (and in git ofc) are updated; these are the stats:

LC  DoneFuzzy   TodoRatio
af  0   0   159 0,0%
am  0   0   159 0,0%
ar  30  3   126 18,9%
be  144 6   9   90,6%
bg  150 3   6   94,3%
bn  144 6   9   90,6%
bn_IN   0   0   159 0,0%
bs  0   0   159 0,0%
ca  137 13  9   86,2%
cs  148 5   6   93,1%
da  148 5   6   93,1%
de  148 5   6   93,1%
el  150 3   6   94,3%
en_GB   150 3   6   94,3%
es  150 3   6   94,3%
es_VE   0   0   159 0,0%
et  0   0   159 0,0%
eu  0   0   159 0,0%
fa  148 5   6   93,1%
fi  149 3   7   93,7%
fo  144 6   9   90,6%
fr  150 3   6   94,3%
gl  151 5   3   95,0%
he  151 5   3   95,0%
hr  122 2   35  76,7%
hu  148 5   6   93,1%
id  146 6   7   91,8%
it  150 3   6   94,3%
ja  148 5   6   93,1%
jv  0   0   159 0,0%
kk  0   0   159 0,0%
km  47  5   107 29,6%
ko  0   0   159 0,0%
lg  150 3   6   94,3%
li  0   0   159 0,0%
lt  150 3   6   94,3%
lv  146 5   8   91,8%
ml  0   0   159 0,0%
ms  0   0   159 0,0%
nb  0   0   159 0,0%
nl  150 3   6   94,3%
nn  0   0   159 0,0%
pa  141 5   13  88,7%
pl  150 3   6   94,3%
ps  0   0   159 0,0%
pt  150 3   6   94,3%
pt_BR   152 3   4   95,6%
ro  0   0   159 0,0%
ru  150 3   6   94,3%
si  40  0   119 25,2%
sk  145 8   6   91,2%
sl  150 3   6   94,3%
sr  148 5   6   93,1%
sr@latin148 5   6   93,1%
sv  151 5   3   95,0%
te  150 3   6   94,3%
th  0   0   159 0,0%
tr  150 3   6   94,3%
uk  150 3   6   94,3%
ur  0   0   159 0,0%
ur_PK   0   0   159 0,0%
vi  150 3   6   94,3%
zh_CN   150 3   6   94,3%
zh_TW   137 5   17  86,2%



you probably ant to check libfm also:
LC  DoneFuzzy   TodoRatio
af  0   0   184 0,0%
am  0   0   184 0,0%
ar  19  0   165 10,3%
be  135 3   46  73,4%
bg  179 1   4   97,3%
bn  130 4   50  70,7%
bn_IN   0   0   184 0,0%
bs  0   0   184 0,0%
ca  130 4   50  70,7%
cs  179 1   4   97,3%
da  179 1   4   97,3%
de  163 17  4   88,6%
el  179 1   4   97,3%
en_GB   179 1   4   97,3%
es  179 1   4   97,3%
es_VE   0   129 55  0,0%
et  0   0   184 0,0%
eu  0   0   184 0,0%
fa  179 1   4   97,3%
fi  176 2   6   95,7%
fo  178 1   5   96,7%
fr  179 1   4   97,3%
gl  181 0   3   98,4%
he  179 1   4   97,3%
hr  162 1   21  88,0%
hu  179 1   4   97,3%
id  135 3   46  73,4%
it  179 1   4   97,3%
ja  179 1   4   97,3%
jv  0   0   184 0,0%
kk  0   0   184 0,0%
km  0   0   184 0,0%
ko  0   0   184 0,0%
lg  179 1   4   97,3%
lt  179 2   3   97,3%
ml  0   0   184 0,0%
ms  0   0   184 0,0%
nb  0   0   184 0,0%
nl  179 1   4   97,3%
nn  0   0   184 0,0%
pa  0   0   184 0,0%
pl  179 1   4   97,3%
ps  0   0   184 0,0%
pt  179 1   4   97,3%
pt_BR   181 0   3   98,4%
ro  0   0   184 0,0%
ru  179 1   4   97,3%
si  0   0   184 0,0%
sk  151 28  5   82,1%
sl  179 1   4   97,3%
sr  155 25  4   84,2%
sr@latin155 25  4   84,2%
sv  179 1   4   97,3%
te  179 1   4   97,3%
th  0   0   184 0,0%
tr  179 1   4   97,3%
uk  179 1   4   97,3%
ur  0   0   184 0,0%
ur_PK   0   0   184 0,0%
vi  179 1

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lxde-i18n] Call for review: PCManFM is almost ready for a new release.

2011-06-11 Thread Martin Bagge / brother

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On Sun, 12 Jun 2011, PCMan wrote:


Hi all,
I'm here to call for a review for PCManFM as the source code in git is
in quite good shape now.
Many known bugs are fixed and I did much refactor to the tabbed
browsing part and merge changes in tab-rework3 branch with master.
Please help test and update translations in various distros. If things
are ok, I propose a new release.


First impressions is that it works fine.
I've built and installed it at Debian Testing.

Three strings in libfm:sc/gtk/fm-side-pane.c was not translatable 
rendering the menu thingie for the side pane (click places and you 
should be able to select directory tree (or places if you already had the 
tree showing))

line 49-51
{Places, NULL, N_(Places), NULL, NULL, FM_SP_PLACES},
{DirTree, NULL, N_(Directory Tree), NULL, NULL, FM_SP_DIR_TREE},
{Remote, NULL, N_(Remote), NULL, NULL, FM_SP_REMOTE},

I did translate these strings somewhere but they were not used in this 
particular menu, the view menu works as intended. As well as the labeling.


Screenie:
http://lxde.bsnet.se/~brother/2011-06-libfm_places_menu.png

Also!
It would be a good thing if some native speaker could check the 
strings for both libfm and pcmanfm. I am not a native speaker and I 
haven't read all the strings for a very long time but they probably can be 
improved given that pcman isn't a native speaker either. If you know of 
anyone being able to do this let them/me know.


- -- 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lxde-list] [LXDE Translation] PCManFM 0.9.4 beta2 will be released in two days

2010-04-11 Thread Martin Bagge / brother

On Sun, 11 Apr 2010, PCMan wrote:


For the future release of PCManFM/Libfm, there will be periods for
freeze like this, so we can get proper translation and testing before
release. :-)

This is the first step toward quality assurance.


bg: 0 translated messages, 145 untranslated messages.
ca: 0 translated messages, 145 untranslated messages.
cs: 145 translated messages.
da: 145 translated messages.
de: 138 translated messages, 7 fuzzy translations.
el: 145 translated messages.
en_GB: 145 translated messages.
es: 145 translated messages.
eu: 0 translated messages, 145 untranslated messages.
fo: 45 translated messages, 11 fuzzy translations, 89 untranslated 
messages.

fr: 145 translated messages.
he: 145 translated messages.
hu: 101 translated messages, 28 fuzzy translations, 16 untranslated 
messages.

it: 145 translated messages.
lt: 103 translated messages, 15 fuzzy translations, 27 untranslated 
messages.

pl: 145 translated messages.
pt: 145 translated messages.
pt_BR: 145 translated messages.
ru: 145 translated messages.
sl: 145 translated messages.
sv: 145 translated messages.
th: 0 translated messages, 145 untranslated messages.
uk: 145 translated messages.
zh_TW: 135 translated messages, 10 untranslated messages.

If your language code is not in the list it means that you have no file in 
the source tree and all strings needs to be translated.


Either add the file yourself to Tx or Pootle or drop me a note and I'll 
assist you.


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