Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] apport hooks

2011-05-17 Thread Mikhail Maksimov
Hi,

you can try making a bootable USB with Ubuntu mini-ISO, install a
commandline system then apt-get install lubuntu-desktop.

You can also try upgrading your existing 10.10 install.

Regards!
Mikhail

On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 3:11 PM, matthew byers faintstlsa...@gmail.comwrote:

 I used the startup tool in Ubuntu that gave the same results of the bug.
 On May 17, 2011 2:32 AM, Julien Lavergne julien.laver...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Le 17 mai 2011 à 03:20, matthew byers faintstlsa...@gmail.com a écrit
 :
 
  Sounds like fun!! I assume any written now will be for next cycle? With
 that being said, due to this bug:
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/782997
  I am unable to install lubuntu on my netbook or laptop. I ask if anybody
 has been able to take a look at it as i will have to stick to 10.10 until
 this is resolved.
 
  Yes it is for next cycle and you should use the ubuntu tool to generate
 the USB. It is usually better than unebootin.
 
  Regards,
  Julien Lavergne

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] apport hooks

2011-05-17 Thread Mikhail Maksimov
Well, it's no rocket science, really ;) Give it a try, maybe you're going to
enjoy it ;)

Now lubuntu-desktop resides in the official repo so you no longer need the
add-apt-repository magic... ;)

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 12:05 AM, matthew byers faintstlsa...@gmail.comwrote:

 Well the mini iso idea as great a idea as it is, it proves to be a bit much
 for a user to simply want to install lubuntu! I just reinstalled 10.10 fresh
 so i may attempt to upgrade from there (maybe, i always was a fan of 10.10)


 On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Mikhail Maksimov mcwil...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi,

 you can try making a bootable USB with Ubuntu mini-ISO, install a
 commandline system then apt-get install lubuntu-desktop.

 You can also try upgrading your existing 10.10 install.

 Regards!
 Mikhail

   On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 3:11 PM, matthew byers faintstlsa...@gmail.com
  wrote:

   I used the startup tool in Ubuntu that gave the same results of the
 bug.
   On May 17, 2011 2:32 AM, Julien Lavergne julien.laver...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Le 17 mai 2011 à 03:20, matthew byers faintstlsa...@gmail.com a
 écrit :
 
  Sounds like fun!! I assume any written now will be for next cycle?
 With that being said, due to this bug:
 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lubuntu-meta/+bug/782997
  I am unable to install lubuntu on my netbook or laptop. I ask if
 anybody has been able to take a look at it as i will have to stick to 10.10
 until this is resolved.
 
  Yes it is for next cycle and you should use the ubuntu tool to generate
 the USB. It is usually better than unebootin.
 
  Regards,
  Julien Lavergne

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] system requirements (workaround created!)

2011-05-16 Thread Mikhail Maksimov

 If I understand you correctly, Lubuntu 11.04 default install would (just!)
 fit on a 2GB (binary GB) disk.


Correct. *And* the resulting install will likely be unusable due to the lack
of free space.

That's pretty lightweight; can you name any common desktop or laptop i386
 PC architecture machines made in the the last ten years for general end
 user use (i.e. not embedded designs) that have less than 2GB of disk
 storage?


I'm not sure is it common or not, but many early netbooks have ridiculously
small drives. Some Asus EEE models have 2GB SSD. Hewlett Packard 6720t
features just 1 GB SSD (I'm shocked!!!)

On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 5:23 AM, Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fmwrote:

 Earlier, I wrote:

  I suspect the number could be lowered to around 9 for a
  1.8GB size check, but I have not tested that yet.
  to
 On 05/15/2011 12:44 AM, Mikhail Maksimov wrote:

  No it can not. Tests done on alpha3 show that the system requires at
   least 2000 MB (decimal M) just to install with almost no free
  space left. Too bad Lubuntu is no longer lightweight in terms of
  disk footprint.

 Thanks for taking the time to do the testing :)

 If I understand you correctly, Lubuntu 11.04 default install would
 (just!) fit on a 2GB (binary GB) disk.  That's pretty lightweight; can
 you name any common desktop or laptop i386 PC architecture machines
 made in the the last ten years for general end user use (i.e. not
 embedded designs) that have less than 2GB of disk storage?

 Setting the limit down from 5.3GB to 2.7GB seems to have helped everyone
 I know of who has come across this issue (most seem to have 3GB or 4GB
 disk space available).

 Is there really a sizeable community of Lubuntu users with total disk
 space between 1.8GB and 2.0GB that we need to try to help out?  If so,
 who are they -- can they please identify themselves?

 Thanks,

 Jonathan

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] system requirements (workaround created!)

2011-05-15 Thread Mikhail Maksimov
Hi, list.

*I suspect the number could be lowered to around 9 for a 1.8GB size
 check, but I have not tested that yet.*


No it can not. Tests done on alpha3 show that the system requires at least
2000 MB (decimal M) just to install with almost no free space left. Too
bad Lubuntu is no longer lightweight in terms of disk footprint.

Regards,
Mikhail

PS I know that the original letter is two weeks old :)

On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fmwrote:

 My workaround works!

 Replying to myself:

 On 05/01/2011 12:29 AM, Jonathan Marsden wrote:

  There is a file within the Lubuntu 11.04 ISO called
  casper/filesystem.size but it seems to be unchanged since 2010-09-06 and
  I don't yet know what if anything actually uses it :)

 Based on Julien's very handy pointer to the commit that broke this for
 us, I just edited the file casper/filesystem.size in the Lubuntu 11.04
 ISO image to say

 137000

 (a round-ish number about half the value that was previously in the
 file, plus 50MB as a safety margin!) and then updated the md5sum.txt
 file to reflect that edit, and created myself a modified ISO image from
 the result.

 That's a pretty trivial change, but, unlike the official 11.04 image, it
 installs and runs fine in a 3GB virtual disk, at least in my initial
 testing here (under VirtualBox 4.0.6).

 So, we seem to have a code-free workaround :)  I suspect the number
 could be lowered to around 9 for a 1.8GB size check, but I have
 not tested that yet.

 I can make this hacked ISO available for download, but it is a bit
 'dubious' at this point from a support point of view, since it does not
 'say' anywhere in its menus etc. that I modified it!  I need it to refer
 to itself as 11.04.jm1 or something, so it is clearly not the official
 Lubuntu 11.04 version, if there is going to be much use of it.

 If anyone has an urgent need for this ISO image, let me know.  It is now
 1am here, and I have to go to work tomorrow (today!!) so I don't have
 time to create the .jm1 identified image right now... I need some sleep
 :)

 Jonathan

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] system requirements (workaround created!)

2011-05-15 Thread Mikhail Maksimov
er... someone blamed documentation of some sort...  ah, here it is:

*One area where Lubuntu has gained weight is the help documentation for
 Gnumeric and Sylpheed, as well as the Gnome language packs.*


quoted from the lubuntu-desktop list archive, March, 20, 2011.

On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 12:39 PM, PCMan pcman...@gmail.com wrote:

 So who is eating the spaces?
 Many some disk-analyzing tools are needed here.

 On Sun, May 15, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Mikhail Maksimov mcwil...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hi, list.
 
  I suspect the number could be lowered to around 9 for a 1.8GB
 size
  check, but I have not tested that yet.
 
  No it can not. Tests done on alpha3 show that the system requires at
 least
  2000 MB (decimal M) just to install with almost no free space left. Too
  bad Lubuntu is no longer lightweight in terms of disk footprint.
 
  Regards,
  Mikhail
 
  PS I know that the original letter is two weeks old :)
 
  On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Jonathan Marsden jmars...@fastmail.fm
  wrote:
 
  My workaround works!
 
  Replying to myself:
 
  On 05/01/2011 12:29 AM, Jonathan Marsden wrote:
 
   There is a file within the Lubuntu 11.04 ISO called
   casper/filesystem.size but it seems to be unchanged since 2010-09-06
 and
   I don't yet know what if anything actually uses it :)
 
  Based on Julien's very handy pointer to the commit that broke this for
  us, I just edited the file casper/filesystem.size in the Lubuntu 11.04
  ISO image to say
 
  137000
 
  (a round-ish number about half the value that was previously in the
  file, plus 50MB as a safety margin!) and then updated the md5sum.txt
  file to reflect that edit, and created myself a modified ISO image from
  the result.
 
  That's a pretty trivial change, but, unlike the official 11.04 image, it
  installs and runs fine in a 3GB virtual disk, at least in my initial
  testing here (under VirtualBox 4.0.6).
 
  So, we seem to have a code-free workaround :)  I suspect the number
  could be lowered to around 9 for a 1.8GB size check, but I have
  not tested that yet.
 
  I can make this hacked ISO available for download, but it is a bit
  'dubious' at this point from a support point of view, since it does not
  'say' anywhere in its menus etc. that I modified it!  I need it to refer
  to itself as 11.04.jm1 or something, so it is clearly not the official
  Lubuntu 11.04 version, if there is going to be much use of it.
 
  If anyone has an urgent need for this ISO image, let me know.  It is now
  1am here, and I have to go to work tomorrow (today!!) so I don't have
  time to create the .jm1 identified image right now... I need some
 sleep
  :)
 
  Jonathan
 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Any major must fix before Beta issues left in Lubuntu?

2011-04-02 Thread Mikhail Maksimov
+1 for handling alternate CD as a main distribution, with an option to
switch to LiveCD+Ubiquity for those who install Lubuntu on more
resource-rich configurations.

Regards,
Mikhail

2011/3/31 Jorge Andrés Alvarez Oré winningl...@gmail.com

 +1 alternate CD
 It´s suppose that the minimal memory for use Lubuntu is 192MB, but with
 256MB to install it, it´s impossible to use it with a very old computer.

 My suggestion it´s to share a text install (alternate CD) by default.
 Anyway now Lubuntu isn't for beginners Linux user, so with a text install no
 body will be complicated. (My experience: the first Linux distro that i
 install [Ubuntu 7.04], i installed with the alternate CD, with my 256MB of
 ram memory [and Pentium 4 celeron] was impossible to install with GUI. Even
 if was my first install i could do it without a problem. The installations
 it´s intuitive.
 Sorry for my English.

 2011/3/30 PCMan pcman...@gmail.com

 Text based installer + 1.
 The alternate CD with console-based UI is good enough IMO if it can
 have l10n user interface.
 Windows installer has long been text-based since windows 3.1 and it's
 still text-based in windows xp. Nobody complains of this so why should
 we insist that there should be a graphical one?
 Yes, if you boot from Windows xp installer cd on a machine without OS,
 you'll enter text-based installer. The GUI part is only available
 after the basic system is set up.

 Actually, we can do the same.
 The text-based installer (part I) only installs base system and core
 components and then reboot and automatically login X11 with a super
 user. After boot, a GUI-based installer (part II) is launched and
 continues the remaining parts. This can make things much easier.

 The only problem with this approach is, we cannot have a good
 GUI-based UI for partitioning. Windows XP handle this in text-mode,
 too. However, I see no real problem here. The rationale is quite
 simple.

 Users who doesn't know how to use text-based UI are also the ones that
 will almost always choose automatic partitioning. Others who like to
 use customized and manual partitioning are definitely advanced
 power users who don't need a GUI installer.
 So don't put 80% of development resources to do what only 20% people need.

 Please, if someone know how to work with the text-based debian
 installer, consider this approach. Let's set up a base system with the
 text-based one, and continue the remainng parts in a GUI installer
 after rebooting into X11. This is also what Windows does.

 Comments?

 On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Jean-Pierre Vidal Piesset
 jpx...@gmail.com wrote:
   Unfortunately, it will be very difficult to reduce the memory
 footprint
   of the installer for 11.04.
 
  The other question this poses is, is it really necessary to have a
  graphical installer as the default for Lubuntu?
 
  Some time ago, there was a question on the mailing list What do you
 expect
  from Lubuntu and i think that a very important point is it will go
 where
  Ubuntu can't or something like that.
  A graphical installer is something that we do only one time (in theory)
 so
  if it's a little ugly (text) IMHO i don't see the problem.
  --
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Boot problems with Natty Alpha ISOs

2011-03-07 Thread Mikhail Maksimov
Hello everyone.

Natty Alpha3 boots normally on the box in question, so I guess the problem
was caused by some unidentified minor flaw in the build process for alphas
12, silently corrected by the new automated build process for
alpha-20110228 and alpha3.

Aftermath:

   - the CD with all the four alphas (1, 2, 3 and 20110228) are perfectly
   readable on both my main machine (the one where the discs were burned) and
   test box. dd if=/dev/cdrom.|md5sum results are as expected *on
   both systems*.
   - the main machine boots normally from all the four CDs
   - the test box rejects alphas 12 (BIOS does not recognize them as
   bootable) but boots normally from the other two alphas.

Thank you all for help.

Sincerely,
Mikhail Maksimov

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 9:08 PM, Mikhail Maksimov mcwil...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi, all.

 I've got a Pentium-IV box to test Lubuntu on. However, I cannot boot it
 from alpha1 or 2 liveCDs. The discs are being rejected by BIOS reporting
 NON-SYSTEM DISC PLEASE INSERT SYSTEM DISC AND PRESS ENTER. However,
 Lubuntu 10.10 and Natty alpha-20110228 liveCDs both boot normally.

 I've installed 10.10 to the machine, then checked, double-checked and
 re-checked again the two alphas that do not boot. Both unbootable CDs are
 perfectly readable and the checksums are correct (once again, I'm checking
 it on the system that refuses to boot from them), so I assume it is not a
 hardware (cd-rom drive vs. cd-rom disc) issue. The BIOS is proven to be
 capable of booting from cd.

 I'm willing to do further testing but cannot think of anything to check.
 Any suggestions?

 Regards!
 Mikhail Maksimov

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Boot problems with Natty Alpha ISOs

2011-03-04 Thread Mikhail Maksimov
Hi, all.

I've got a Pentium-IV box to test Lubuntu on. However, I cannot boot it from
alpha1 or 2 liveCDs. The discs are being rejected by BIOS reporting
NON-SYSTEM DISC PLEASE INSERT SYSTEM DISC AND PRESS ENTER. However,
Lubuntu 10.10 and Natty alpha-20110228 liveCDs both boot normally.

I've installed 10.10 to the machine, then checked, double-checked and
re-checked again the two alphas that do not boot. Both unbootable CDs are
perfectly readable and the checksums are correct (once again, I'm checking
it on the system that refuses to boot from them), so I assume it is not a
hardware (cd-rom drive vs. cd-rom disc) issue. The BIOS is proven to be
capable of booting from cd.

I'm willing to do further testing but cannot think of anything to check. Any
suggestions?

Regards!
Mikhail Maksimov
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] minimal install.

2010-10-23 Thread Mikhail Maksimov
Dropbox link with md5 checksum is now available, maybe it was some kind of
short outage. The checksum is correct.

On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

 Hiyas gang, can some confirm the md5 is 1932a563c99ae40721d1f37c3804c372
 for alternate disk, as the md5 checksum link reports a 404 error.

 head_injury has the documentation done over at
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/AlternateInstall Again,
 any input on this would be welcome. Once I have couple of confirmations that
 things are okay, I'll release the little bugga into the world :D

 thanks,

 Phill.


 On 22 October 2010 23:13, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote:

 On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 22:18:58 +0100
 Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

  Cheers,
 
  As you know I'm severely hampered by the fact that only a basic 9.10
 ubuntu
  can 'see' my 3G device, as the pub is moving company I cannot yet order
 my
  broadband connection. It's very frustrating, but life goes on.
 
  If you can scribble up a set of notes similar to what I put over at
  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall I'll
 tidy
  them all up and get it all posted and documented.
 
 Boot from disk, follow instructions :D

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] A small suggestion: Gparted

2010-10-22 Thread Mikhail Maksimov
Hi, list.

+1 for adding Gparted to the LiveCD. Without it, LiveCD is pretty useless
when you need to rearrange your disk prior to installing.

BTW, on a minimal box with just 128 Mb RAM gparted failed to start off
SystemRescueCD 1.6.1, maybe Lubuntu can perform better on such boxes.

Regards!
Mikhail

On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 2:43 AM, Liam Proven lpro...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have come back to looking at Lubuntu recently after a while away. I
 put 10.04 LTS on a client's old workstation (P4, 256MB RAM, 40G hard
 disk) and today 10.10 on my own laptop (PIII-750, 320MB, 20GB HD).

 Both times, I've had the same problem, but it was more severe with 10.10.

 I wanted to dual-boot the machines - the P4 with XP and the P3
 notebook with Crunchbang. This means repartitioning, which means I
 need Gparted (or something like it).

 On 10.04, I was able to open a terminal, apt-get install gparted, then
 run it, repartition, and install.

 On 10.10, though, once I had installed Gparted, it filled up the
 system's RAMdisk and crashed the desktop. No panel, no window manager,
 nothing, just the desktop and Ubiquity icon.

 I rebooted and tried again. This time I could run Gparted and make a
 new root filesystem, but then I couldn't run Ubiquity. No error was
 produced. I looked at the properties of the icon to see the command
 but it does not show this rather critical info. I opened a terminal,
 took a guess and changed to /home/lubuntu/Desktop and examined the
 file with less.

 This gave me the basic command to run. Not knowing what the switches
 and parameters mean, I just tried ubiquity. It failed, segfaulted,
 with an error that there was no space on root.

 I rebooted, ran it again from the desktop, and then was able to install.

 I rebooted again, manually tweaked my /etc/default/grub file for the
 kernel parms I need (the machine will not boot without acpi=force and
 the screen looks very poor without vga=791, which also gets the
 graphical boot screen working, which does not happen otherwise - I get
 a text one that says Ubuntu not Lubuntu).

 Update-manager ran and I accepted the default offerings. Installation
 failed over a clashing library. I had to run

 apt-get install -f

 ... then

 apt-get update  apt-get dist-upgrade -y

 ... to resolve this.

 So finally I have a working system, but install was a bit fraught!

 The simplest improvement would be to bundle Gparted on the live CD.
 There's plenty of room - 150MB spare on the disk and Gparted +
 dependencies is under a tenth of that, I think - and that's
 uncompressed.

 The other issues, well, I have no direct suggestions, I was merely
 reporting them.

 It is a little bigger and slower than Crunchbang but then Crunchbang
 is only Ubuntu 9.04. OTOH, Lubuntu has a full and rather attractive
 desktop, whereas #! is deliberately super-minimal.

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] [Lxde-list] Lubuntu 10.10 released

2010-10-13 Thread Mikhail Maksimov
Well, you don't have to remove the (Gnome) desktop, there's an option to
just not install it. Please see
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall for
details. I believe that if you use Ubuntu alternate CD instead of mini.iso
there's still an option to install a minimal system.

One difference (not so big IMHO) between Lubuntu CD install and minimal
install is eth0 not being nm-managed after a minimal install. Maybe there is
something else, not sure.

Regards!
Mikhail

On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Globe Trotter itsme_...@yahoo.com wrote:

 It would be very nice if there were a 64-bit version of this soon instead
 of using the method of installing first ubuntu and then removing the desktop
 and installing lubuntu-desktop. Does this give us exactly the same solution
 as installing (32-bit) lubuntu with the exception, of course, of the fact
 that it is 64-bit?

 Best,
 T

 --- On Sun, 10/10/10, Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

  From: Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com
  Subject: [Lxde-list] Lubuntu 10.10 released
  To: lubuntu-desktop lubuntu-desktop@lists.launchpad.net, lxde-list
 lxde-l...@lists.sourceforge.net
  Date: Sunday, October 10, 2010, 12:14 PM
  Lubuntu 10.10 is now available :
 
   * Torrent : http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-10.10.iso.torrent
   * Direct download : http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/lubuntu-10.10.iso
   * Md5: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gilir/md5sum.txt
 
  == What is Lubuntu ? ==
 
  Lubuntu is an Ubuntu derivated using the LXDE desktop. It's
  designed to
  be a lightweight and easy-to-use desktop environment.
 
  Lubuntu is actually not part of the Ubuntu family, and not
  build with
  the current Ubuntu infrastructure. This release is
  considered as a «
  stable beta », a result that could be a final and stable
  release if we
  was included in the Ubuntu family.
 
  == Features ==
 
   * Based on the lightweight LXDE desktop environment.
   * Pcmanfm 0.9.7, a fast and lightweight files manager
  using gio/gvfs.
   * Lxdm, a lightweight GTK display manager.
   * Chromium, the open-source version of Google Chrome.
   * ... and, of course, based on Ubuntu 10.10
 
  See the complete list of applications on
  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Applications
 
 
  == Improvements since Lubuntu 10.04 ==
 
  === Applications by default ===
  Programs installed by default have been updated
   * Added :
  Update-notifier, to get notification for available
  updates.
  Xpad, to create quick notes (similar to Tomboy).
  Ace-of-penguins, to provide some games
 
   * Removed
  Parcellite, which is not maintained upstream, is less
  useful since most
  of copy/paste bugs was gone with pcmanfm 0.9.X
  Pyneighborhood was replaced by gvfs support of pcmanfm.
 
   * Changes
  LXtask replace Xfce4-taskmanager for tasks monitoring.
  Evince is now used for reading PDF, ePDFview have some
  serious memory
  leaks.
 
  === New theme ===
  A new and fresh theme, made by Rafael Laguna, is
  available.
 
  === Installer slideshow ===
  New slideshow is available during the installation, to
  describe Lubuntu
  and its features.
 
  === Indicators supports ===
  Lxpanel now support Ubuntu indicators applets. This feature
  is turn off
  by default, but you can activate it by adding the
  Indicators applet”.
 
  === New extras packages ===
   * A new meta-package (lubuntu-core) is available to
  install only core
  packages of Lubuntu.
   * A new meta-package (lubuntu-restricted-extras) is
  available to
  install restricted packages for Lubuntu (such as flash,
  java and extra
  codecs for chromium)
 
  === LXDE updates ===
   * LXDE is now HAL-free. Lubuntu still depends on HAL for
  CD-burner, but
  by removing it, you can obtain a HAL-free system.
   * New lxappareance from LXDE git (without Openbox
  integration)
 
  And the usual updates of LXDE and Ubuntu packages included
  in Lubuntu.
 
  == Releases notes and known issues ==
  The release notes, with a list of known problems are
  available on
  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReleaseNotes/MaverickMeerkat
 
 
  == Specific Lubuntu changes ==
 
  Lubuntu still contains modifications not available in the
  official
  repository, you can see them in the Lubuntu PPA [1] :
   * Autologin support in ubiquity (LP: #546445)
   * Support Install only mode in ubiquity
   * Support for lubuntu-restricted package in ubiquity
 
  == Reporting bugs ==
  You can find information on how to report bug on this wiki
  page :
  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReportingBugs
 
  == Thanks ==
 
  I would like to thanks all people involved in the
  development of Lubuntu
  during this past 6 months :
 
  Thanks to the LXDE team for providing this fast and nice
  desktop
  environment.
 
  Thanks to Rafael for his wonderful work on this new
  artwork.
 
  Thanks to Mario for his wonderful work on the website, the
  wiki and all
  the advertising.
 
  Thanks to all testers which help in the testing process,
  making Lubuntu
  

Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu 10.10 released

2010-10-11 Thread Mikhail Maksimov
I confirm, md5 of http://phillw.net/lubuntu-10.10.iso is correct.

Regards!
Mikhail

On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 6:26 AM, Phill Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:

 There is now a secondary server area at
 http://phillw.net/lubuntu-10.10.iso as Julien said, please use the
 torrents as I do not want to fall out with my temporary web hoster.

 If someone could down load it and check the iso as per
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/CheckCD and make sure
 the md5 is okay, I'll add it as a secondary server to the wiki area.

 Thanks,

 Phill.

 On 10 October 2010 18:53, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote:

 On Sun, 10 Oct 2010 18:14:45 +0200
 Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com wrote:

  Lubuntu 10.10 is now available :
 
  == Thanks ==
 
  I would like to thanks all people involved in the development of Lubuntu
  during this past 6 months :
 
  Thanks to the LXDE team for providing this fast and nice desktop
  environment.
 
  Thanks to Rafael for his wonderful work on this new artwork.
 
  Thanks to Mario for his wonderful work on the website, the wiki and all
  the advertising.
 
  Thanks to all testers which help in the testing process, making Lubuntu
  better.
 
  Thanks to Phillw and Zach, our masters of the wiki and the
  documentation.
 
  Thanks to all people which help to provide support and documentation to
  new Lubuntu users.
 
  It was a pleasure to work with you.
 
 I’d like to echo Julien, in thanking everybody involved in getting Lubuntu
 this far and hope it can continue to get better and better :D


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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] marketing

2010-10-08 Thread Mikhail Maksimov
You got my idea, I was talking about buying a distro's CD with a
nice (thanks Rafael!) image printed on it, wrapped into a nice (thanks
Rafael!) envelope, just for collection. However, not sure if items shipped
by that site have all the artwork or just Lubuntu logo.

On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 2:12 AM, Rafael Laguna rafaellag...@gmail.comwrote:

  Well, there's a site that sells everything, about Linux. And our dear
 Lubuntu is sold tthere for £3.99 (UK pounds). They just burn the ISO and put
 inti a paper case with the logo, distro name and other few characteristics.
 Have a 
 lookhttp://www.thelinuxshop.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=21products_id=280
 .

 Maybe I don't really understand what you mean, but anyway I think we cannot
 sell it, and we must no do it, we're under GPL license. That's why we serve
 it free (both the ISO and the wallet).

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] marketing

2010-10-07 Thread Mikhail Maksimov
Will it be possible to buy a hard copy of the final ISO wrapped into a hard
copy of this wallet image?

On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 12:44 AM, Rafael Laguna rafaellag...@gmail.comwrote:

  Ok, thank you. If no one has more to say, we have wallet! [image: :D]

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[Lubuntu-desktop] Finding Lubuntu-related information

2010-10-06 Thread Mikhail Maksimov
Hi, list.

I always have trouble finding some vital information regarding Lubuntu.
Maybe it's just me, but it takes definitely more than a couple of
mouseclicks to find out, e.g., the status of latest testing iso, its
version, release date, download location, etc. Also, I've seen a link to IRC
logs somewhere, but cannot find it again, and googling for lubuntu irc log
does not show the required item on the first page, you really have to know
that there's one site for publishing logs for all ubuntu-related channels,
and search for _ubuntu_ irc logs, then navigate to the selected date and
channel manually...

IMHO such small navigation problems may cause newcomers to not actively
join the team. It may even happen that a would-be tester not do any actual
good just because he/she does not find the latest beta! I've just updated
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing with minimal info regarding beta2,
however I believe it can be further elaborated. And probably beta1-related
part should be removed. Huh, and probably the news section of
lubuntu.netcan also be updated with beta2 info.

I'm not really good at writing human-readable texts, and I just don't have
any more time at the moment. Is anyone willing to add more updates to
lubuntu sites?

Regards!
Mikhail

PS Are the command to md5sum the CD and the checksum on h
ttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testinghttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing
correct
for beta2? Please double-check.
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Online updates not installed during installation

2010-10-04 Thread Mikhail Maksimov
I confirm it, 46 packages to update right after running an install with
install updates ticked :(

Regards!
Mikhail

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 I ticked the install online updates box but when I ran Update Manager
 straight after installation there were 43 updates to be installed.  These
 are the same packages that were required by an earlier installation were I
 didn’t tick the box.  The fluendo package has been installed, as I ticked
 that box as well.  This is the first time I’ve tried this as the other
 machine was initially installed off-line.  Anybody else seeing this?

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[Lubuntu-desktop] 10.10 beta installer memory requirements

2010-10-03 Thread Mikhail Maksimov
Hi, all.

I was testing the 10.10 betas  on a low-spec machine and found that, for
both versions, with 256 Mb RAM the Live CD session starts normally, but
launching the installer kills the system in a creative way: everything
disappears except the wallpaper and mouse pointer (I mean, menu, installer
icon, lxtask that I started earlier), however Ctrl+Alt+F(n) works and from a
text console ps ax | grep ubiq shows nothing, the installer process is
gone.

lxtask says I have 243 MB of RAM installed, top says I've got 249844k total
memory. AFAIK swap partitions get used silently by Live CD if present, so I
cleared the partition table before running tests.

Adding another 128 Mb stick to the box solves the problem, so I believe it
really is the RAM amount that matters. Unfortunately all my 32  and 64 Mb
sticks fail so I cannot be any more precise.

Thus the current beta does not seem to be installable with not less than
160 Mb as stated in the wiki. I'm wondering if it's permanent, or just the
beta effect which may get fixed when and if the install menu item works,
not just the try one.

If anyone can confirm or correct my findings it is good to have it all
documented in the wiki.

Sincerely,
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] kidnapping

2010-08-18 Thread Mikhail Maksimov
Hi, list.

Personally, I always think a well-structured and comprehensive text document
is ways better than a bright set of icons linked somewhere. IMHO the front
page of Lubuntu wiki looks good enough and we should focus on the text
content of the documentation, not with bells and whistles, uhm, icons.

Just my two cents.

Regards!
Mikhail

PS The icons of Uruguay Team page do consume the valuable _height_ of my
widescreen laptop, about twice as much as Lubuntu wiki navigation. Anyway,
1366x768 is not convenient for me :(

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 Hi team,

 the more I learn about documentation the more I realise how much I do not
 know, Take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UruguayTeam Now, that is one
 seriously good looking  front page. I'm wondering if our art team could
 design some icons / have an idea in their head for how the front page should
 look (It's done by inkscape, evidently). I can ask Zach team to help me with
 the coding.

 What do you all think?

 Regards,

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] NetworkManager bug in Lubuntu?

2010-08-03 Thread Mikhail Maksimov
Update: both Ubuntu and Lubuntu installed from their respective 10.04 CDs do
not have any eth0-related entries in /etc/network/interfaces. Lubuntu
installed from 10.04 mini iso does have the usual:
auto eth0
iface eth0 inet dhcp

which causes NetworkManager to not manage eth0 by default. Looks like we
need to update the instructions...

Regards!
Mikhail

On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 12:03 AM, Mikhail Maksimov mcwil...@gmail.com
wrote:
 Phill, the wired connection works properly on all of my systems, both
 before and after lubuntu-desktop installation. It just does not become
 managed by NetworkManager.

 Regards!
 Mikhail

 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.net
wrote:
 Hi,
 that certainly leaves me a bit puzzled, as the mini-iso requires a wired
 connection for it to work !!
 I'll set up a new partition and try it again (I'm the author of
instructions
 you're referring to). You are the first person to say that you are having
a
 problem when using them.
 Regards,
 Phill.

 On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 7:25 AM, Mikhail Maksimov mcwil...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Yorvyk,

 for me the problem reproduces on all three Lubuntu installations I
 have at hand: an old P4-based desktop system and two notebooks,
 ThinkPad X61 and Lenovo G450.

 As Julien noticed, this is a known misbehavior of NetworkManager,
 documented on the Debian wiki (http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager,
 under Wired Networks are Unmanaged). There's also a bug in Debian
 tracker, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=530024.

 Were those many installs of yours done via Lubuntu CD, or via minimal
 installation
 (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall)?
 If the problem occurs only when doing minimal install, we have to
 update the instructions.

 Regards!
 Mikhail

 On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com
 wrote:
  On Sun, 1 Aug 2010 19:31:05 +0400
  Mikhail Maksimov mcwil...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hi, list.
 
  Lubuntu Lucid installed from mini.iso seems to be affected by a bug
in
  NetworkManager
  (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=530024):
  the wired network interface is not managed by NetworkManager by
  default. Does anyone know if this also happens when installing from
  Lubuntu CD?
 
  Never seen a problem with the many installs I’ve done using Lubuntu
  Lucid.
 
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] NetworkManager bug in Lubuntu?

2010-08-03 Thread Mikhail Maksimov
Yorvik,

that 'solution' does not fix the default behavior of NM to not manage
interfaces defined in /etc/network/interfaces. I think it may enable the
whole NM management system when and if it is somehow turned off (screwed
up?) but this is not the original case.

Regards!
Mikhail


On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 11:46 PM, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.comwrote:

 On Tue, 3 Aug 2010 14:24:23 +0400
 Mikhail Maksimov mcwil...@gmail.com wrote:

  Update: both Ubuntu and Lubuntu installed from their respective 10.04 CDs
 do
  not have any eth0-related entries in /etc/network/interfaces. Lubuntu
  installed from 10.04 mini iso does have the usual:
  auto eth0
  iface eth0 inet dhcp
 
  which causes NetworkManager to not manage eth0 by default. Looks like we
  need to update the instructions...
 
  Regards!
  Mikhail
 
 This 'solution' just popped up on my RSS feed
 http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-fix-network-manager-disabled-problem-in-ubuntu-10-04-lucid.html

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] NetworkManager bug in Lubuntu?

2010-08-02 Thread Mikhail Maksimov
Yorvyk,

for me the problem reproduces on all three Lubuntu installations I
have at hand: an old P4-based desktop system and two notebooks,
ThinkPad X61 and Lenovo G450.

As Julien noticed, this is a known misbehavior of NetworkManager,
documented on the Debian wiki (http://wiki.debian.org/NetworkManager,
under Wired Networks are Unmanaged). There's also a bug in Debian
tracker, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=530024.

Were those many installs of yours done via Lubuntu CD, or via minimal
installation (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp/MinimalInstall)?
If the problem occurs only when doing minimal install, we have to
update the instructions.

Regards!
Mikhail

On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Yorvyk yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote:
 On Sun, 1 Aug 2010 19:31:05 +0400
 Mikhail Maksimov mcwil...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi, list.

 Lubuntu Lucid installed from mini.iso seems to be affected by a bug in
 NetworkManager (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=530024):
 the wired network interface is not managed by NetworkManager by
 default. Does anyone know if this also happens when installing from
 Lubuntu CD?

 Never seen a problem with the many installs I’ve done using Lubuntu Lucid.

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[Lubuntu-desktop] How can I lock screen in Lubuntu?

2010-08-01 Thread Mikhail Maksimov
Hi, list.

When playing with Lubuntu (Lucid, installed from 10.04 mini.iso, if
that matters) I've noticed that it is... er... less paranoid than
mainstream Ubuntu. I mean, there's no (obvious) way to lock the
desktop, and when resuming from suspend, the system  does not ask for
password. Am I just missing some well-hidden checkbox? Or maybe
lubuntu is so lightweight that one needs an extra package or two for
screen-locking to work? Anyway, how can I get desktop locking in
Lubuntu?

Regards!
Mikhail

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[Lubuntu-desktop] NetworkManager bug in Lubuntu?

2010-08-01 Thread Mikhail Maksimov
Hi, list.

Lubuntu Lucid installed from mini.iso seems to be affected by a bug in
NetworkManager (http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=530024):
the wired network interface is not managed by NetworkManager by
default. Does anyone know if this also happens when installing from
Lubuntu CD?

Regards!
Mikhail

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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] How can I lock screen in Lubuntu?

2010-08-01 Thread Mikhail Maksimov
Thanks, 'xscreensaver-command -lock' works just fine for deliberately
locking the screen. Is there an easy way to get the screen locked in
suspend-resume sequence?

Regards!
Mikhail

On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Duy Hùng Trần nguyentieu...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi!
 You can create a new blank file on your desktop, open it with leafpad and
 insert these lines:

 [Desktop Entry]
 Encoding=UTF-8
 Name=Lock Screen
 Comment=Locks your screen
 Icon=system-lock-screen
 Exec=xscreensaver-command -lock
 Terminal=false
 Type=Application

 When you want to lock your screen you can click on this file. And you can go
 to Preferences, open Screensaver then you can set your screensaver settings
 include screen locking.

 Hope this could help you :).

 On 1 August 2010 21:40, Mikhail Maksimov mcwil...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi, list.

 When playing with Lubuntu (Lucid, installed from 10.04 mini.iso, if
 that matters) I've noticed that it is... er... less paranoid than
 mainstream Ubuntu. I mean, there's no (obvious) way to lock the
 desktop, and when resuming from suspend, the system  does not ask for
 password. Am I just missing some well-hidden checkbox? Or maybe
 lubuntu is so lightweight that one needs an extra package or two for
 screen-locking to work? Anyway, how can I get desktop locking in
 Lubuntu?

 Regards!
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Logs and ubot

2010-07-28 Thread Mikhail Maksimov
+1 for channel logging. It does makes sense to save problemssolutions
automatically.

On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 3:04 AM, Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:
 Hi gang,
 Channel logging:
 As the ubot has been behaving and I hope will be an aide on the channel, I
 guess now is a good time to ask the team if they think having the #lubuntu
 channel logged similarly to, say, #ubuntu-beginners  is something I should
 enquire about? This would allow people to search the logs for words / people
 / questions etc (google search). As Canonical runs the log-bot, it would
 depend on them giving the okay to it.
 I do need to know whether to proceed with that request.
 News on the bot:
 I'm currently discussing the best way to add lubuntu specific things to the
 ubots (case in hand, lxterminal), once I get to learn the basics and a
 format of either general factoid or channel specific factoid I'll get on
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] wiki page

2010-07-09 Thread Mikhail Maksimov
Hi Phillip, hi list

IMHO, Just get on with it ;-)

Regards!
Mikhail

On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 5:13 AM, Phillip Whiteside phi...@phillw.net wrote:
 Hi Julien,
 I apologise for the multiple messages coming from my editing the wiki area.
 I've got a couple of wiki people helping me with links etc. As they are not
 trivial edits, I feel uneasy to use that tag.
 Hi Gang,
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp
 I'd like to do a make-over of that area. What is proposed is:
 'Documentation and Help' becomes 'Help'
 'https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/ReleaseManagementDiscussion' is removed, as
 it is out of date.
 'https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/DocumentationHelp#Applications and other
 Features' is moved to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/GettingInvolved
 i also propose that details of 10.10 is moved
 to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Developers with the details
 of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu#Test Lubuntu being moved over there,
 leaving just a 'stub'.
 With the help of the wiki team, I've done some editing for things like the
 inclusion of code to be typed into a terminal session.
 Just so as everyone knows, I'm part
 of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Wiki/SoD2010 so, our
 own wiki area is a good one for me to get help on.
 As it is the aim of lubuntu to be adopted by Canonical, as per my previous
 posting I'd like to ensure we comply with their documentation standards.
 I'd appreciate any input as to what you'd like to see on there along with
 proof reading to ensure any spelling mistakes etc. are corrected. All those
 on the mailing list who have their launchpad accouts can log in and edit the
 pages.
 As always, your input is needed.
 Well, that's my and the wiki teams ideas, please shout up anything that you
 think are wrong, I will take deafening silence to mean Just get on with it
 :-)
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Lubuntu and openjava-jre

2010-07-09 Thread Mikhail Maksimov
Hi, Daniel.

I've experienced that dreadful no sound and no errors issue with at
least two different lubuntu installations (an old P4-based system and
a powerful x-series Thinkpad). Try starting alsamixer and un-muting
some channels using M key.

You might want to install graphical mixer control, but the commandline
alsamixer is just fine if all you want is un-mute the soundcard.

Regards,
Mikhail

On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Daniel Hallett dhallett2...@gmail.com wrote:
 Is there going to be flash in chrome on lubuntu? If not how do I get 
 openjava-jdk-jre working properly on lubuntu? How do I get the sound on 
 lubuntu working properly?
 I'm using lubuntu 10.04 on zareason terra a20 with 2 gigs ram. 160 gig HDD. 
 Is there a better player that I can use to sync my iPod touch 2G? I used to 
 use amerok on kubuntu before I started to use lubuntu. Keep chromium for the 
 web browser for lubuntu. And better .deb installation support and o can't 
 even force install opera browser.

 Sent from my iPod Daniel Hallett
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Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Tested on MSI Wind U100

2009-12-10 Thread Mikhail Maksimov
Hello.

Just one thing I wanted to note: server GUI is a bad idea. If you want
server, you install server, if you want a workstation on low-grade hardware,
you install Lubuntu. If you have low-grade hardware to use as a server, you
definitely shouldn't be wasting the precious (and, oh, so limited!) RAM and
CPU resources on GUI instead of serving something.

If someone wants to have lubuntu desktop on server, there's always an option
of installing server then adding any desktop environment, or maybe
installing Lubuntu then switching to the server kernel. But I think all the
possible mix options should not be part of Lubuntu installer, nor should
there be a separate server+LXDE remix of Lubuntu (Ubuntu?)

Regards!
Mikhail

PS If you don't like vi, you can use nano, it's part of the server install
and it is WYSIWIG.

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Josef A. Beroeatwarin 
rajatanpacel...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hai everybody

 Hai I tested Lubuntu on my MSI wind U100, I am not a pro like you guys but
 I like to have my hands on it because I really believe lubuntu
 will be much better the Xubuntu. And of course I WANT to have a very
 lightweight linux on my netbook and PC.

 I am running on Ubuntu 9.10 remix  installed on my MSI Wind U100, after I
 while I started with Apt to install LXDE
 After running on LXDE I was satisfied and very optimistic that  it will be
 one  that  I am looking for.( after a lot of  switching for linux to linux)

 Here are the problems on the MSI wind U100:

 * Filemanager Pcman  0.5.1 on the left windows are drives displayed twice.
 if you click one of the with the same name you will get an error-message
 Directory doesnt exist
 * Wicd it a very nice looking piece but to bad, to while connection the the
 wirelles network (WEP) ofcourse it was validated but I got an error message
 Connection failed:Unable get IP Adress that was during the status
 Obtaining IP address.
 * I have no sound I realize I have no mixer something like that so I dont
 know if its muting or not.
 * FN keys. FN+F4 and FN+F5 is working very well,its for dimming the
 back-light and  FN+F12 sleep mode is working but after wakeup its starting
 to sleep again and again after wakeup
 *My bluetooth is witched on with FN+F11 but no blue-tooth detected (sorry I
 forgot to listed with lsusb before installing ubuntu remix again)
 * Harddisk external and flashdisk is working very well.

 My Questions,request,Ideas,what I hope very soon or whatever it is.

 1. The Lubuntu in alpha stage on iso,when. Ofcourse everybody is busy.
 2. Lubuntu on flash disk image because there is alot of netbooks without CD
 or DVD.
 3. Sometimes I got netbook that has an SDcard as HDA is it compatible with
 it ?
 4. I think Lubuntu will be great for creating server from old PC's with GUI
 interface instead having console at from your nose and doing that Vi
 thing.Maybe is there somebody can make a server edition. While installing
 you can choose what of kind of server do you want to install.
 5. And nice front-end for backup that can make image of the drives.
 6. Do you guys think that thunderbird and firefox take of computer sources
 especially nower days there is allot of websites based on flash  like
  farmville it make even windows xp slow.
 7. What is the other syntax like dmesg and lsusb that I can use to get info
 out of my toys and to send to you guys.
 8. Last thing that I want to say is.. I am sorry for starting asking allot
 of questions even the alpha  is not out yet...

 Well guys thats it... I hope its enough for the input.




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